Blackhawk Down

[zaraf822]

I was just trying to clear up the air force-army, pave-black debacle. Good to see a pro in here. Are you a crew chief or FE for paves?? Where are you stationed?

[VigilanteSEVEN]

I just found out that this same aircraft, after crashing and rolling down a mountain with the crew alive and uninjured, was shot down in Afghanistan a year and a half ago, killing five of the seven crew aboard.

[uh60l]

You can't count on tv news crews to get it right. Sorry if this has already been pointed out but, that is not a Blackhawk, it's an Air Force Reserve Pavehawk.

The other four helicopters that were up there that day were Blackhawks from the Oregon ARMY National Guard. They did all the rescuing that day.

[LupusAries]

It flew apart? The rotors flew apart, the fuselage seems to be mostly intact.

[MUSTANG408W]

@LupusAries The tip caps on the ends of the rotors are designed to be allowed to break off letting the rest of the blade maintain downforce.  Those blades didn't fly apart on their own. They struck the ground (the side of the mountain) which caused them to break off entirely. These helicopters are designed with survivability in mind. That helicopter was rebuilt after this crash on Mt. Hood. It later was shot down in Afghanistan summer of 2010.

[LupusAries]

@MUSTANG408W That's exaclty what I meant. Helicopters are pretty durable. I was more talking about those always overdramatic TV commentators. I hope the crew was not to badly injured.

[davetherave7]

The altitude was the real reason for the crash as lift capabilities was reduced dramatically. The helcopter was not configured to operate, let alone, hover, in this thin air enviroment. The crew were ordered not to attempt a rescue due to these perameters and await a mountain rescue heli. Ignoring the orders, the thin atmosphere, plus, attempting low level flight corrections, immediately caused the blades to strike the ground. Good intentions maybe - but still Pilot error.

[suckafreeze100]

the guy talking is like emotionless

[hempefi]

ooh my goodness oh that is horrible... good lord.. oowh fellas.. oowh my goodness..

What.. The Fuck.... if i would have been that ancor i would have gona all dave chapelle like...OOOOOWH!! SNAP... HOLY FUCK!! OOOOWH....

Dutch

[10995]

THat specific chopper was not meant for that kind of enviroment.  I remember it mentioned on a program that that chopper was tuned for the wrong enviroment, that it was quickly rushed or something before it could get a tune-up so it could work in that enviroment and altitude

[10995]

That chopper was not meant for that kind of enviroment, i remember it mentioned that on the tv show that i first saw it on.

[10995]

That chopper was not meant for that kind of enviroment

[FALCON131001]

@10995 Actualy i have seen some versions that it has....

[donttreadonme388]

@ziggy7676 First you a fucking Idiot I know a member from this crew. This rescue was on whats called the Hoggs Back it a steep slope created by high speed winds switching directions around the mountain. a helicopter needs a steady head wind to maintain lift in a high speed wind environment so when the wind switched and the roters could not maintain a fast enough rotation to keep up with the wind they lost lift they tried to turn the nose in a 180 to get the head wind but it was to late.

[MUSTANG408W]

@donttreadonme388 while you are correct, I know one of the crew chiefs that worked on that particular helicopter. It went up with full fuel tanks making it too heavy. The engines were not H.I.T. checked and were not making the power needed at that altitude and temperatures. This event aside, this is aircraft A6201 which was rebuilt after the Hood crash, but later shot down and destroyed in Afghanistan summer of '10.

[escobar12levi]

Hey This a HH-60 Pave Hawk

Reasons

tail flap is Rectangle and the Black hawk is not

Refueling stick in front

[MUSTANG408W]

@escobar12levi Many Army UH-60L models have the same folding stabilator as the Pave Hawk. The Army's 160th SOAR unit has the only Black Hawks with refueling probes, so, in that they still retain the name.

[pedal2th3metal]

"with a nic-nac, paddy-whack, give the dog a bone, this old bird went rolling home."

[pawnthesword]

hey godfellas

[shakenama]

I remember watching this on the news. Anyone know what the final investigation says what caused the helo to crash?.. It seems as though the main rotors were half in ground effect and part of the rotor arc was out of ground effect. Or was it a sudden downdraft?

[edmundtaiping]

This is from discovery channel.I remember that the helicopter spun 7 times.and it crash is because of the wind.

[nipponhouseplayer]

Bians 407 could a shoulda done the Job?

[lambolova]

man i have to say it...we got a black hawk down.....

[djbeatboypdx]

KGW newschannel 8 video

[TehRacooonODoom]

"fellas"

[alohajeepers99]

Just to set a few of you straight, it isn't a Blackhawn it is a Pave Hawk, the snow is incredibly packed up there (this happened at Inspiration Point, which I have boarded and skied many times), the reporter never said "this is great guys!" (I know because I watched it live), and it is the Air Rescue Wing out of Portland (which no longer does these types of rescues).

[snowcdh]

You need some corrections

1) It was actually on the Hogsback

2) The snow was soft that day, and yes, the crew members were pushed into the snow when the helicopter rolled over them, saving their lives.

I doubt you've boarded or skied it many times if you don't even know the location. You "watched it live" probably on tv, I watched it live as a rescuer on scene.

[audio475]

i find it kind of funny that the only reason the crew survived was cuz the snow wasn't packed.if you look closly you can see them get thrown out of the chopper and it rolled right over them, only pushing them into the snow.

[RussianDrunkard]

funny =) pilot is in fear but still alive. he took funny roundabout =D

[willis636]

oh fellas? ohh that is horrible? he sounds like he doesn't give a shit

[MrSamyboi911]

he probably wanted to say oh shit and stuff like that but was trying to maintain a level of detachment and professionalism

[kklloopp]

lol that was kind of cool and funny, i would of show less emtion though

[GamerzAddiction]

stop being like everyone in the media

[GamerzAddiction]

show a bit more emotion narrator

[Jaggerx33]

he seemed like he had a lot of emotion to me

[Draidic]

If only the narrator was the one in the crash, a dick like him had no emotion

[csshortcenter]

amazing none of the crew died, however three climbers did die on this day on on this mountain.

[dothathingilike]

Goddamn. Saw this shit on "Critical Situation" on the Discovery Channel or whatever. Crazy shit. Thank God everyone was okay.

[SWAT201919]

the narrater sounds sarcastic, he can kiss my ass -)_(-

[SSkotte]

On May 30, 2002, three climbers were killed and four others injured when they fell into a crevasse (The Bergschrund) in the "hogsback". Most unusual was the televised crash-and-roll of a rescue helicopter whose rotors clipped the sloping ice bridge.[21]

[thecovetedsoldier]

did anyone die on that?

how many people survived that crash?

ehh...it looked brutal

[tmonkeypunch]

Everyone survived on the chopper, amazingly.

Unfortunately, the mountain climbers they were trying to rescue in the first place did not make it alive.

[superlukie17]

I remember watching this. :(

[FlawlessSoldier]

I think that dude was holding back his laughter, he seemed to get excited as it crashed that's not a normal reaction to me!

[malkavianxx]

GOOD LORD FELLAZ!

[mrsmillerpdx]

After the camera cuts " You guys ot this right? This is great!!" back to live feed, " Oh my gosh this horrible I wish this was a movie..." Ha Ha this guy is sooo insincere!

[schwenkoncrack]

i love it how it sounds like the guy doesnt care hes like oh gosh oh no this is horrible lol

[discorecords]

"look out guys"  ?? okay, good thing you're there commentating on this, otherwise they may not have looked out!

[squirrelgecko]

speaking about things going wrong....

[eathis12]

by the way this was the usaf it was the 304th rescue sqaud. And there was pj who got rolled over.

[SexyAliP123]

usaf sucks

[BigDukaroo]

it wasn't the usaf, fucktard.

[SexyAliP123]

Did I ever say it was the USAF fucktard?

[eathis12]

actually it is

[Donutmn]

was this the crash on mt.hood?

[eaglecreek123]

Yes.

[poknatboy123]

me fan of hawks

[qtip67t]

It wasn't a Oregon (Army) National Guard Bird. It was the Air (Air Force) National Guard out of Portland at the time. They no longer have Pave Hawks now in Portland.

[watcherxd]

what an idiot he was talking if they died

[Nudelsalatbomber]

you idiot!he´s a reporter and talking is his job!

[AirsoftForums]

They didn't die...

[zaraf822]

its a HH-60G Pave Hawk, not a commonly mistaken Army UH-60 Black Hawk. The Pave is a souped up model of the Black, Pave widely used for CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue), Black used for Assault Force and Infiltration

[MUSTANG408W]

@zaraf822 You're half correct. The Pave used to be an Army UH-60L before the were procured from the Army and then modified. The are the same helicopter. They aren't "souped up." In fact they are heavier with the internal 185gallon tanks, refueling system, and a crapload of additional communications equipment. I work on Paves.

[zaraf822]

The rescuers were from the USAF Reserves 939th Rescue Wing based out of Portland, OR. PJ's to be exact, if anyone knows who Im talking about. The militarys elite when it comes to high technical rescue.

[DXWCW]

the reporter probaly thught it was funny cause he said if this was a movie

[TGF87]

My bad - It seems one of the crewmembers was seriously injured.

[TGF87]

FYI - No-one involved in the chopper crash died or was seriously hurt.

[House2424]

holy shit i did see the guy come out and get rolled over

[TGF87]

He survived.

[jetkrazee]

Did the news chopper go down and try to help????

[blackhawkpilot4]

yeah really!! i mean wtf is their problem??

[rubiksrevenge]

this was on the show shockwave on history channel and it was a blackhawk btw

[bloo96]

yeah i remember seeing that too, thank god noone was killed! the crew chief gets thrown out around 00:14 and the helicopter rolled on top of him, if it wasnt for the deep snow he would have been killed.

[twoshoes2002]

It's not a Blackhawk. It's a USAF Reserve Pave Hawk.

[AussieV8tassie]

Its a BlackHawk o.0

[allmodcons6]

its not a black hawk it has the same engine but weighs about 150kg more. the USAF doesn't operate blackhawk helicopters the army does (incidentally 2 blackhawks were at the scene previously but because of their higher power to weight ratio they coped with the conditions better)

[AussieV8tassie]

Ah ok sorry i dont know much about US navy , we have the sea kings and black hawks, looked like one tho lol

[blackhawkpilot4]

my ass dude, the USAF uses em, just not to the level that the army or marines do

[Frost2k6]

I think this was a Oregon National Guard Bird, if I remember correctly, I watched this live on T.V. We don't have any major Airforce bases here in Oregon and I believe the closest is up in Wa. But I could be wrong. But I'm pretty sure it's ONG or OANG.

[Frost2k6]

Ah nvm on my last post, read some of the comments. Sorry for the confusion.

[BobbyDobby]

HH-60G Pave Hawk

[portbalto]

Chinook helicopter finished the rescue and picked up the downed chopper aswell. Not at the same time mind you.

[myster1234]

i remember seeing this on TV. they all lived, one dude you can see fly out of it as its rolling. i think it had something to do with the thin air pressure up there/wind. sucks. good chopper.

[blindreap3r]

i remember watching this live on tv a few years ago. you can see one crewman falls out infront of the rolling chopper then is tumbled over.

[mrlynnwood01]

it;s a us air force pave hawk. you can tell buy the refuling boom in front

[italyalex]

europe rules:D :P

[dvclama]

In europe,mountain rescue is generaly a specialist job made by trained mountain pilots with powerfull acurate machines.This Us army blackhawk heavy with aparently regular army pilots not aware of the mountain aerology was defenitely not the right choice in this case..:(

[HawkMech40]

It's not a US Army aircraft, it's US Air Force.

[elpedro80]

HOW MANY WERE KILLED?

[HawkMech40]

No one was killed.

[portbalto]

MT.HOOD,OREGON

[zildjiandrummr12]

"Is the announcer masturbating?"

LMAO

[Bayer20]

Did that pilot ever fly for the US military after this stupid move????? Thats why US rent foreign pilots for operations in Afghan and Iraq;)

[tmonkeypunch]

Are you kidding me? Do you realize how stong the winds were blowing that day? Low altitude aviation is a lot harder than you think it is, esp near mountains like this on in Mt. Hood. Pilots don't make stupid moves. They get trained until they're perfect, over 100%. This was an accident.

[Bayer20]

SIr...im not kidding you! If he was perfect....why did he put his crew in danger....he should have known about the wind then!!!!! HEY US PILOTS ARE ONE OF THE BEST I BELIEVE....but we are all human...and we can take stupid/wrong decisions...:)

[Bayer20]

I know he was under a lot of pressure..and he was to save someone....but you must alwways...think of your own and others safty FIRST! THis guys risked not only his own life!!!!

[tmonkeypunch]

Yeah I guess. You have a point. We humans are all imperfect, under pressure even worse. So it can be said that there were a lot of elements that led to this disaster. But hey, no crew was killed or seriously injured.

[thephenom70]

Please stop posting if you have no clue what you are talking about.

[cheesegrinder4life]

lol

[tonebone8]

people make mistakes you fuck

[Antiworld23]

I just made that dumbass comment about northern Iraq to see how many people would call me on it. I snowboard on MT Hood all the time, this Pavehawk was from the 939th Rescue wing I believe and this happened in like June of 2002. All the crew survived with some minor injuries.

[marrufobuilt]

I hope those mountain climbers learned their lesson..

Fuck!!! Stick to something less extreme you over

achivers. Helicopters and SAR Teams aren't cheap....

[boardheador]

Two people I knew were killed on that climb. They were good people. As spazzygrif said, have some respect and common decency.

[spazzygrif]

Um ..this isn't a war clip ..

It was what happened in Oregon, when a few climbers went missing ...they were searching on Mt. Hood and crashed.

It's called have some respect for the people who were involved.

[Antiworld23]

This happened in northern Iraq I believe. It was shot down by taliban insurgents I guess in 2004.

[lektem]

This is why USA couldnt win the war in Iraq. The servicemen are so stupid!

[rawdawg15]

geez lay off the politics..can i watch one video on youtube without talking about this shit

[NukeMTV]

Yes. Every United States soldier and rescue worker have the intelligence of... well you. Good assumption, asshole.

[mutt124]

What the fuck do you know. besides the war still going on. Its called an accident. its not like they flew into mountains for giggles n' shits. your a grade A dumb ass. Fail

[cmstewart87]

I'd appreciate it if you would shut the F**K up.

[headysauce]

was that commentator masturbating to the footage?

[Sconz30]

ohhh yes...ohhh guys, this is terrible...ohhh yes...ohhh yes..OH GOD....OHHH GOD YESSS!..IM CUMMING GUYS....OH THIS IS TERRIBLE...

[yorick8080]

The announcer should have won the cheesedick of the century award for that commentary... "Ohhh, fellas... ohh.. if only it were a movie. Oh my goodness. Ohh."

[ZTrain0006]

Both of you are correct; it was a USAF PaveHawk. The Army NG 1042nd Med Co. (callsign DUSTOFF) performed the first hoists at the site. The heavier PaveHawk had DA "issues" and were unable to maintain a hover at that altitude.

[VaultIt]

"You guys are high. This is a USAF HH-60G Pavehawk from the 304th Rescue Squadron, 939th Rescue Wing" - PumbaaHH60

Yeah, that's what I said... just incase you were including me in the 'you guys are high' comment. Most people really can't seem to get right where it came from and whether it's a blackhawk or a pavehawk, you can see that while reading the news reports about it.

[PumbaaHH60]

You guys are high. This is a USAF HH-60G Pavehawk from the 304th Rescue Squadron, 939th Rescue Wing, Portland International Airport, Oregon. How do I know? Because I was there. These guys were my flying buddies. I'm an Aerial Gunner and have since moved to the 129th Rescue Squadron out of Moffett Airfield, CA.

[eathis12]

thank you finally someone got the crash right.

i feel bad for andrew canfield who was rolled over by the hawk.

[soldado6555]

Actually it was a Blackhawk from the 1042nd in Salem, oregon and they decided that the pilot/copilot made a simple calculation error in there Density Altitude before the flight to see if they had enough lift left over to perform an in ground effect hover. They were off a few thousand feet so went into a settling with power which is why you see him try to slip it down the mountain...trying to clean the lift surface of the "dirty" air and restore what lift he had available.

[blazersand2000]

I was watching this live on the local news in Portland.

[CRANKYGERMAN]

oh folks...what really is creepy is the commentary

[Ju87StukaB2]

Lucky pilot, wouldn't have been nice if there werent so much snow.

[VaultIt]

I saw it a couple of months after it happened when it was in the hangar at the base. It was very... very beat up as you can imagine. It was interesting seeing it afterwards though. We're lucky no one died. And SniperSight is right, the guy got thrown from the helicopter and it rolled over him.

[VaultIt]

It was a Pave Hawk not a blackhawk. The blackhawk is an Army helicopter, this was Air Force. My dad worked at the base where the helicopter and the crew were at. It was the 939th Rescue Wing in Portland. That was before the it got (stupidly) changed to the 939th Air Refueling Wing and got KC-135-Rs instead. It was on Mt. Hood.

[VaultIt]

The guy nearest to the rope that was pulling in one of the people they were rescuing cut the rope right when things started going wrong so the guy didn't get rolled down with the helicopter. No one died though, just a serious injury.

[jumpacliff]

I was watching that on TV and changed it for min and then I see it has gone down . I was so mad.

[trogdor1289]

Mt. Hood in Oregon.

[SniperSight]

yeah the pilot survived this! you can see him get thrown out of the chopper as it rolls, it actually rolled over him and he still survived, i saw it on an amazing survival programme on tv!

[MUSTANG408W]

That wasn't the pilot. That was the in-flight engineer/crewchief. In a roll like that the pilots are still strapped into their seats. The engineer was thrown out of the gunner window.

[SniperSight]

Ya I was wrong, but I posted this a year ago I was young and stupid,lol. I know those survival programmes(the majority anyways) are all hyped up dramatic commentators without all the facts.:)

[knuclear]

This was up in the northwest some where. I think it's mount rainier.

[natemhanson]

Knuclear, it was Mt. Hood in Oregon. Not every northwest thing is in Washington.

[Antiworld23]

Except active volcanos!

[portbalto]

Anti Mt Hood is an active volcano aswell. Minor tremors all the time.

[GabbyFang]

They need to get someone out there! O.O