Das ist ja grauenhaft! Wie die mit dem Stahlhelm aus dem 2.Weltkrieg verkleidet und von ca. 6 Bodyguards um sich herum sich wie bei der Loveparade oder im Karneval rumfahren lässt! Und wilde Horden stürmen von allen Seiten im heissen August. Quatsch hoch 10 aber genau was das kriegerische Waffenliebende Amerikanische Volk macht bei einer gewaltsamen Übernahme und die NATO Flieger geben Deckung.
YEAHH we only saw 50 People at the most ,,,,The rebels never topped 1000 people ,,,,
NATO USING ALQAEDA and bunch of thugs to topple secular Ghadaffi ,,,,,Now lets see if the new Libyan government would continue giving free education ,free Healthcare ,,,50,000 for each couple getting married,, pay 50% towards the purchase of a new car ,interest free government loans,housing like GHadaffis Libya did.
"i call shannigans". you, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. may thousands of lights shine upon you. as for that bbc or was it sky lizard... well... even she ain't buying what she's selling. lol. (tony) blair, over & out.
No questioning her gusto , but she is also a vapid sky hack.
The rebels control nothing like 80% of Tripoli - they are still fighting around the compound and abu salim in the extreme west of the city, where they were 5 days ago. The rest of the city is a chaos of militias, most (but not all) of whom are rebel supporters.
Sky News have plumbed new depths by actually DISTORTING their map of Tripoli to make it look like the battles aren't all in one sector, and that green square is in the middle.
@meshelmay It's a little more complicated then that.
The billions in assets that were frozen during the revolution will be returned to the tribal warlords which, when combined with the imminent bickering that will arise when the tribes try to decide who will take over when everyone's favourite despot is gone, will give them the funds needed to buy enough guns to start a very, very big civil war that could potentially last a very, very long time.
@tdfisk The trick is to take the teachings of an enlightened individual (e.g. the Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammed, etc ...) and put them to good use in your own life.
Each of them, along with many others, when you stop and think about it, taught a near-identical message of tolerance, forgiveness and understanding.
I'm not religious, but I understand and admire the truths these genuinely wise men taught.
@DeguGamingNetwork It's not at all easy to learn tolerance, forgiveness and understanding and even they have their limitations. You're only 16, so you're just beginning to understand these things. Understanding is the big granddaddy of them all. There's very little we can truly understand. There are things that require zero tolerance. Forgiveness is a wonderful thing as long as we aren't being gullible. In short, there are no simple answers or shortcuts to wisdom/enlightenment. Thomas
@tdfisk Yeah, sure, I'm still in my teens. In the greater scheme of things it's irrelevant .
The fact that most chronological "adults" don't and can't understand what I just said, let alone put anything close to it in words or actions in the real world, doesn't exactly fill me with hope for those who are given control over my everyday life.
This level of stupidity which has enslaved our culture is something that, as you put it, is one of those "things that require zero tolerance."
@DeguGamingNetwork I don't know what you mean by "in the greater scheme of things". Age is always relevant, but that doesn't mean it's always significant. You have no way of knowing what most adults can understand and I think it best to not make that kind of assumption. Hope is something you mostly find in yourself, rarely in others. My criteria for zero tolerance is quite different from yours. Your intolerance for your idea of stupidity isn't going to accomplish anything. Thomas
There are smart people and there are, in layman's terms, "not smart" people. Some of them are old, some of them are young and some of them are somewhere in-between.
Intelligence isn't measured by life experience. That's wisdom you're thinking of, which comes with experience, as does worldly knowledge.
I am humble enough, and wise enough, to know that I don't know everything and that I never will. I learn what I can from who I can.
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@TheENTERRAPTURE17 I don't believe in the devil, but if there were a Satan he would post this kind of message to piss people off & turn them against Jesus. I very much believe in most of the teachings of Jesus. He taught love, compassion, forgiveness & not judging. What he taught was good and you preach the death and destruction of end times. Sorry, there will be no end days, no rapture, no Armageddon. We are seeing the beginning of our species, not the end. Live for life, not death. Thomas
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The oil repreentative for the rebels mentioned they're going to have second thoughts about dealing with Brazil, Russia and China because they didn't vote in the resolution. LOL. Now we all know what this war was about. FUCK NATO.
@BankofSpirit It's hilarious, on the Mahdi video you keep linking to, the OP has blocked myself and others from posting, because we don't agree with him.
Suppression of dissent, how very similar to the disgusting monster of a dictator people like you and him so adore. You're in good company.
The inane ramblings of conspiracy theorists are merely proof that it doesn't matter who the US and its allies are up against, a certain section of society will always rush to take the enemy's side and insist they're a perfect saint, even if they're as vicious and psychotic as Gaddafi.
@slightlyoutofreach01 LOL! shills = hilarious, Libya offered highest standard of living to its people, now, its being bombarded by apes & BOTS. its always the same song/dance with PEONS, glorifying CORPORATIONS & condemning living beings, a sentiment that is forefront in all communications set forth by PEONS to beings. you say it loud/clear hiram, you say beings bad, CORPORATIONS & PEONS are good, LOL, hiram, you are so full of shit/sin, but you do get fiat$ to be a lie-ability/ass-set for hell.
You're the one desperately wishing a downtrodden people could go back to living under the boot heel of a vicious dictator. A brutal fascist leader who provides you with free healthcare, is still a brutal fascist leader. A threat of being made to 'disappear' for speaking out against the government coupled with a high standard of living is still an affront to human decency.
If you can't accept the monster Gaddafi is/was, that is YOUR problem.
@slightlyoutofreach01 You & NATO are the same, not w/ people, not w/ life, but you're a PEON, more CORPORATE then human, a tool, akin to a shovel like what's used to push shit as shit is what lies around, your push it (pu shit) online! Look at his investment into water/schools/hospitals and more, but you're paid to be an idiot hiram. say they need to be treated as palestinians in their country, debt slaves to a Central banking scam & material worshipers, PEONS & puppets. watch?v=j1_e-UJ5fzc
watch?v=wDZ86eNaKhM here/hear/listen well to the past live report and hear what "a real not REEL or RAEL" journalist is saying, it is a lot different from what talking heads and online PEONS and those pretending to be reporters are saying.
@larsdalen Lol well the Rebels...or any group would of done good having the level of support that modern air & naval power the west gave them, not that I care anyway who is winning or who is not, the question comes who is going to take over? And the final question is whatever new power that take control will the Rebels remember the help they got from the West or will they simply tell the West to piss off?
@vanlore The Rebels still did most the work, they librated Lybia. Ofcourse with help of the Western Powers and some Arabic Countries. I would care since the Qaddafi's regime was a dictatorship and as it looks now the Rebel governement isn't. But we will see what happens.
@larsdalen If it wasn't for NATO bombing Libya to a pulp, the terrorist rats known as the 'rebels' would have been squashed like a bug within weeks. Now, the only reason they are inside Tripoli is because NATO shipped them in in boats and cleared the way for them on land by mowing down civilians on the streets with their Apache gunships.
@larsdalen These terrorists do not represent Libya, the majority of Libyans support Gaddafi. If the NATO & al-Qaeda backed National Terrorist Council takes over now, though, Libya will lose its sovereignty, get it's resources stolen, and will fall into chaos.
@ichigo73186 Ooh sure, why do all the people that supported Gaddafi fle or join the Rebels. NATO and the EU are going to help the NTC (Which means National Transitional Council btw.) to set up democracy. Qaddafi is beaten all he rules now is desert with only a few cities with a few citizens.
@larsdalen LOL.. keep dreaming, rebels are cowards, they need NATO panes to shock and awe then they c=go in afterward with shills in press while they shoot of guns and take pictures, then they all run away.... idiotic CORPORATE owned/pad shills for zionists are funny, here's your quote about the BOT/paid for rebels, "they librated Lybia" ... lol, that's hilarious hiram or is it irving? the rebels are murdering women and children, most are not Libyan and you cheer them on... you have no soul kid.
@BankofSpirit You fail, The Rebels are people who rebelled against a Dicator even though they would face death. You apparently missed much of the story, Gaddafi used planes against his own people first. First of all I am a Social Democrat, I also am Atheist. And how did you manage to hold Bengazi and take other cities, not by running away. They are people and fight because they want freedom. Gaddafi forces commited many atrocities.
@larsdalen all you say's contrary to actual evidence, he never attacked people, who do attack/BOMB people are not Libyans yet some are paid fiat-$ to join, paid to be online, Libyans get threatened or family threatened if they don't abet NATO/World Central bank scam which owns PEONS/lie-abilities/ass-sets for hell but know irving, i'm not a FOX NEWS junkie nor $-junkie, i've a better knowing of the world then a PEON, keep lying building a 6ft TALL-MUD hut underground as u can not-see/NAZi truth.
@BankofSpirit So murdering his own people who oppose his rule is not a crime? What your saying is also commited by Gaddafi forces through his entire rule and worse. That some of the Rebels in anger commited atrocities is something to regret. But there leader said that they must be aware that they don't make the same mistake as the Gaddafi regime.
@larsdalen who did he murder? there is no evidence, only lies from ZIONISTS who are now hiding in England as they were in Libya being paid fiat $ to start wars between the people. there are thousand & thousands of bodies now, dead from NATO bombs & your friends the Rebels, mercenaries not beings, soldier, that which is paid to cause mayhem, murder/rape women/kids, citizens! truth is irv, you're no better then murderous REBELS! time's near irv, wait & see, all you do to others, comes back 10fold.
@BankofSpirit "who did he murder? there is no evidence, only lies"
Where is YOUR evidence? The entire world sees the crimes Gaddafi has committed, yet you insist it's all a complete fable, while inventing crimes committed by NATO forces and the rebels, with zero evidence given, aside from a video of some random person talking into a camera at some random location that could be every bit as staged as the news reports you decry as propaganda.
@slightlyoutofreach01 where on FOX NEWS and from you? LOL, you're an idiot hiram & only making your life to come worse. but keep on lying kid, attack people/abet what's wrong in this world as yours is soon to come and you are going to get 10X as much horror as the horror the innocent suffer due to the work of you & those who own your sorry stupid ass! i can see you, you can not-see/NAZi, typing, ginning, you think you're winning by sinning, sinking/sin-king, to a 6ft Tall-MUD hut underground.
@BankofSpirit I truly admire your ability to spew utter shit with a straight face, to make hilariously retarded puns without breaking character, and to fling insults at anyone who dares to disagree with you. You sir, are a professional.
I'm going to laugh my ass off when in 5 years, Libya is enjoying the fruits of democracy and freedom, while you've conveniently forgotten the entire affair even happened(because it didn't follow your predictions) and have rushed off to bark over something else.
@slightlyoutofreach01 just keep workin your channel hiram & ghost accounts too! keep hiding the face/voice from a public you lie/profess to be part of. soon you'll see or NAZI, not-see hiram as all see/know what you are when you speak w/ living people in a condescending/spiteful way. it shows that you're not of/with the human race BUTT with what's dead/sowing death. CORPORATE owns your stupid ass, you insult life trying to dissuade others from helping me hand you your ass in a hat, which i did.
@BankofSpirit "you insult life trying to dissuade others from helping me hand you your ass in a hat, which i did."
All I've seen you do is make lame puns, spew random gibberish, dodge any points made against you, and spam links.
Keep living the dream, you ridiculous douchebag. Preach in favor of the destruction of the very countries that allow you to spit your BS. Try something like this under a ruler like Gaddafi and see how long you last.
@larsdalen why? a fantasy you try to sell is impossible to prove? you silly shills are so funny, but you are that way for money. so you say centralized bankers & soldiers are for people but people are against people, sick zionist rhetoric, you can't use logic to lie and if you are a liar, you can not see that logic defeats all lies. there is no logic in what you spew nor is it logical to listen to you as you spew hate/lies, attack beings, you state CORPORATE is greater for life then life itself
@BankofSpirit Your opinion doesn't matter anymore. His compound has fallen. So please stop this nazi paranoia of you. As I said earlier, we are done talking.
@larsdalen LOL! hiram, you spammed this thread with lies/idiocy. "because someone else tells different its the truth" you must be below 18 as you admit you believe what others tell you which i and all should believe but not what "others" say. you're not there in libya nor there in the head as URA PEON, that is paid to abet a mind-fu@k job that CORPORATE kneads/needs to raid a nation & slaughter innocent people to steal the resources. Al-CiA-da leads the rebels, you support AL-CiA'da not beings.
@BankofSpirit The Internet is full of mentally ill people. I hope you can overcome your psychosis. Your hatred and contempt for people, especially Jews is merely projecting a self hatred. It is so terrible that we still live in a Dark Ages with regards to mental illness. Poor folks like you are left to try to cope alone. At first I thought you were just arrogant, but now I see just how ill you are. You have my sympathy and compassion. Thomas
@tdfisk now you troll? you worship me don't you tom ass, butt the me, theme that's you, witches is your only title along with fool. i blocked you pimple of the ass of life butt you show support for murder/mayhem/death, material worship again, you're the scum of new ZEE land, ZEE/Zionist, opposite of S/life-breath, Z's for material/death, Z's worship it as egos go wild for stuff. you sharing here is akin to the fart saying excuse me. run tom-ass, like the rebels who fight because they get paid.
@BankofSpirit You appear to me to have a child's mind, trying so hard to impress while throwing a temper tantrums. Calling me tom-ass is extremely childish. You change the meaning of words to make other people fit your perception of them. If anyone dares to disagree or criticize your delusional perception of reality, you attack by degrading and dehumanizing. It's obvious you do this a lot because the pleasure of it is fleeting and your battered ego needs constant feeding. Very sad. Thomas
@tdfisk tom-ass, i deal w/ faceless cards like you to often, zionist trolls/CORP PEONS, lunatics/fruits & other forms of chaff from life. to 'em, who show no sign of being being friendly, i give exactly what they TRY to give to who is i. so do you think i care about what you say/assume/think? fool, you come to me, to spew idicoy/insults, yet, i, while negating idiocy, put to insult wit, tactfully, as in truth, to who is i, when conversing with the likes of things such as you, see you as shit.
@tdfisk "when you go/die eternal, all of those that are around you now will fight over the crap that represents your pitiful/worthless life. and then those who take what is truly just your worthless shit, they will sell it, likely to get some coke & whores." now go away you useless troll or i will start using stronger words/spells that will show others more clearly that you are on deaths door. i do think the amaziing atheist is in need of things like you to be a groupie, go make him your god.
@larsdalen Oh, so the rebels committed 'some' atrocities 'in anger', huh? You mean like conducting mass lynching and executions of black Libyans and migrant workers? Publically beheading and disemboweling innocent people? Forcing captured soldiers to engage in cannibalism and sodomizing them with pistols? Rounding up soldiers who were given orders not to shoot and then executing them? Impaling children of Gaddafi supporters with metal poles? ...
@larsdalen Burning and looting hospitals, houses and shops in captured towns and killing anyone suspected of supporting Gaddafi? Murdering and raping innocent people on the street? I guess this is all excusable since it was done in the "spur of the moment". But when the so-called "peaceful demonstrators" show up on day one with brand-new NATO rifles and burn down police stations, ...
@larsdalen ...raid military bases for more weapons, and some of the security forces fire back at them for self-defence, THEN Gaddafi and his sons should be arrested for war crimes and brought to the International Court of Criminals. I see the logic.
@larsdalen Gaddafi used planes to bomb his own cities? Come on, you can't be serious. Multiple independent reporters and fact-finding missions such as from British Civilians for Peace in Libya have gone to the EXACT districts in Tripoli that were supposedly bombed and they found NO EVIDENCE of any bombing. The Russian military has been watching Libya and their sattelites have shown that NO BOMBING ever occured.
@larsdalen Nobody 'fled' anywhere, Gaddafi and his sons are still in Tripoli, the civilians were forced to hide in their homes because NATO had Apache gunships mowing them down in the street to make way for the rebels. That's the only way the rebels were even able to get into Tripoli. You're so naive. They're going to set up 'democracy'? NATO and it's governments don't GIVE A SHIT about democracy or human life. All they want is MONEY, POWER, RESOURCES, and FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE. ...
@larsdalen They care only about their GEOPOLITICAL GOALS and EXPANSIONISM. This isn't CNN where everything is butterflies and flowers and your government loves you. The NTC can barely accomplish anything on it's own. It is composed of warring factions of tribes, Islamic radicals, and the like. They call NATO airstikes on each other. They MURDERED their OWN military commander. ...
@larsdalen All their funding, weapons, and support has come from NATO and all their operations have been planned by NATO and intelligence services. They can't tie their own shoelaces, let alone LEAD a DEMOCRATIC government. Are you BULLSHITTING me? If the NTC takes over, complete CHAOS and bedlum will set in in Libya. It will become a 3rd world slum and a western proxy state. NATO will use the violence as an excuse to send in "peacekeepers". ...
@larsdalen This will create a bloodbath, Iraq 2.0, and they will try to make it last for as long as humanely possible to create a HUMANITARIAN CATASTROPHE and make as much profit as possible for the military-industrial complex. When Libya is COMPLETELY in the gutter, the IMF will come in with it's loans, and Libya will be enslaved in debt and will be economically crippled by austerity and other IMF policies. ...
@larsdalen Everything will be privatised, foreign companies will come in and take ALL the resources of Libya. This has been done so many times in the past, it is so BRAZEN and OBVIOUS, if only you could see through the cheap propaganda.
@ichigo73186 Blah blah quit talking about things you have no knowledge of. I'm Libyan and the Rebels represent me and every single Libyan of the 1,000 or so Libyans in Portland Oregon. Not only do we support them but we raised $70,000 for them. Of my family and friends in Libya 100% of them support the Rebels. So quit making yourself look stupid.
@Eetaq Yes, because you're watching the western garbage propaganda media and you have no idea who or what you're supporting. If the NTC takes over, EVERYTHING will be taken from Libya.. If you'd only look at recent history and see what NATO and the west has done..Libya will fall into TOTAL chaos, NATO will send in troops and it will become a bloodbath, Iraq 2.0... Then the IMF and foreign companies will come in and take all the resources and enslave Libya in debt, you'll wish you had Gaddafi.
@Eetaq The so-called "rebels" not only have elements of al-Qaeda, at the top they are completely funded and controlled by NATO and those who engineered this 'revolution'. If they come into power they will just become a proxy state for the west.. furthermore, you are supporting NATO which has killed THOUSANDS of innocent Libyans and has gutted Libya's infrastructure by bombing schools, hospitals, power plants, water pipelines, houses, entire cities...
@ichigo73186 What's next, are you going to claim NATO used nukes? I heard this same banter after we invaded Iraq claiming B-52s leveled Baghdad killing millions. In socialist/communist ideology it is believed and practiced that the bigger the lie the more people will believe it. That's why I call it The Liars Philosophy. Your melodramatic lies are not at all making an impression. Thomas
@tdfisk NATO HAS killed thousands, it HAS tried to eviscerate Libya's infrastructire, and it HAS used depleted uranium weapons (found by scientists). Are you going to deny all this? You are the kind of person who will continue denying everything even if the facts are right in front of your face in a desperate attempt to cling to the propaganda fed to you by the media. Libya will become a bloodbath, a 3rd world slum and will be enslaved by foreign companies and the IMF.
@ichigo73186 Even if this is some corporate conspiracy, they sure wouldn't "eviscerate Libya's infrastructure", they'd just have to spend hundreds of billions to rebuild it. Depleted uranium is used by every military, including Libya. Yes, thousands have been killed, that's what happens in war. It's also what happens when you have a blood thirsty dictator like Gaddafi. Claiming people who disagree with you are brainwashed by the media is a typical lame tactic used on the Internet. Thomas
@tdfisk It's not "some corporate conspiracy" it's a standard long-running tactic used by NATO, the IMF/world bank, and other global interests to achieve their geopolitical goals. NATO's destruction in Libya has been documented, and don't be mistaken, it's the Libyan people who are going to have to pay for all of it, not NATO or Obama.
@ichigo73186 I think it's obvious that there are conspiracies on a grand level, but I believe in the due process of law. That requires sound evidence obtained by qualified professionals with impeccable integrity. I am never convinced of conspiracies by people on the Internet who claim to know all the facts. You talk about documentation, I hear that all the time and very rarely is the information obtained and offered in a credible way. Conspiracy theorists tend to be obsessive compulsives. Thomas
@tdfisk Oh, it's what happens in war, huh? You're the same as the people who said that US army helicopters in Iraq shooting and murdering journalists and blowing up a press van with children in it in broad daylight was "collateral damage".
@ichigo73186 There were many crimes committed in the Iraq invasion, beginning with Bush who should be charged with war crimes, including murder. The reason so many crimes have been committed in Iraq by US military is because of totally incompetent political and military leadership. Our troops are severely abused and often lack in discipline. I believe that troops who commit crimes causing death should be executed by firing squad. What about the other side though? You don't mention them. Thomas
@tdfisk It's kind of hard to come by the kind of evidence you're looking for in the middle of a civil war, so we have to go on what we know. But you don't have to be a scientist to look at history, look at all the facts, look at what's going on now, and connect the dots using logic and common sense. Unfortunately, misinformation and disinformation often gets in the way of that and results in brainwashed people such as those who now support the war against Libya.
@ichigo73186 What we know comes from the media and that's both sides. Everyone thinks what they believe are facts, but there are no real facts. You even admit to that. It's funny when you say an opposing belief is brainwashed. That's what they think of you. It's a bunch of people going in circles, but no one here can do anything about it. I do think that Gaddafi has reached the end of the line. As a helpless observer, all I can really do is wish the best for the Libyan people. Thomas
@ichigo73186 They call it collateral damage because it meets the damned definition. Everyone on your side of this issue has put that video forth as 'murder,' when it's no more murder than Police who misinterpret a cellphone in someone's hand as a pistol. It was tragic, and handled badly, but calling it MURDER is hyperbolic and ignorant.
@slightlyoutofreach01 This and that could be manipulated, et cetera, et cetera, anything is possible. However, there is no EVIDENCE of the "info I'm getting" of being doctored, propaganda, or whatever you claim it is. On the other hand, I HAVE evidence, for example, of the fact that the media played fake images of rebels in Green Square. That is a BIG DIFFERENCE.
@ichibo73186 "On the other hand, I HAVE evidence,"
And there's just as much evidence against everything you've said, that corroborates the official reports of the events in Libya.
In any event, I don't really feel like continuing this debate. Several personal issues have come up over the past couple of hours that I need to deal with.
Even if we disagree, I thank you for being more civil than most commenters on YouTube, even if I myself was not so civil when I first replied to you.
@slightlyoutofreach01 The Iraq war was profitable, for the CORPORATIONS and the DEFENSE CONTRACTORS. It's quite naive to think that all the money plundered by the global criminal elite will go to the American people. And killing thousands of innocent people as well as deliberately targeting homes and infrastructure of Libyan cities certainly can't be dismissed as "collateral damage".
@ichigo73186 "It's quite naive to think that all the money plundered by the global criminal elite will go to the American people."
It's not about the American people. The American people are just another group owed a debt by the US Government. What I am saying is that the US Government is now massively in debt. Why in the blue hell would they support a campaign that makes defense contractors and corporations rich, but in which they completely fuck themselves over? It makes zero sense.
@ichigo73186 "And killing thousands of innocent people as well as deliberately targeting homes and infrastructure of Libyan cities certainly can't be dismissed as "collateral damage"."
I don't need to make the 'every source has a reason to lie' argument again. The problem this time is that you assume every soldier is a soulless monster who will just happily and willingly execute innocent people. Do you know any soldiers? I do. Many are friends and family. Not one is a cold-blooded killer.
@slightlyoutofreach01 You're thinking in terms of the talking heads on TV, the PR and theatrics that "governments" present of themselves. There are forces above and beyond the American government or any other such group that impose their agenda on the world and will play sides off against each other to achieve their ultimate geopolitical objectives with complete disregard for what they are causing. ...
@slightlyoutofreach01 As for NATO. They are both filmed and seen by witnesses in Libya bombing and shooting civilian targets and infrastructure; the aftermath is photographed and documented, such as the destroyed buildings and the innocent victims who are killed, and the death tolls of these victims add up to the thousands, according to common public knowledge and estimates by various groups and official bodies. ...
@slightlyoutofreach01 I don't know how any of this could, according to you, be misrepresented to look like something it is not. And the soldiers are not "cold-blooded killers", but the same cannot be said about their commanders, and most soldiers will unquestioningly follow orders.
i wouldnt call this "turn against", it's just the usual hypocritical and hesitant way of Chinese foreign politics. Actually it's just a trivial statement that does not include an endorsement for the NTC - sadly, sadly!
@LAVATORR "2) The West was already getting cheap oil from him and this campaign is the most expensive way to "steal" it possible."
You have to remember, a lot of these people are the same ones who insisted WTC7 was brought down specifically to burn a bunch of paper. Their common sense is lacking.
@LAVATORR LOL conspiracy theorists? You mean people who don't get their reality spoonfed to them by the bought & paid for globalist coroporate media and it's garbage propaganda?
1) Gaddafi's crimes? You mean.. giving Libya the highest standard of living in Africa? Free healthcare? Free education? Free housing? Free electricity? Welfare? Cheap food & gas? A multi-billion dollar irrigation system to give water to the desert that has been called the 8th wonder of the world? How despicable of him.
@LAVATORR Gaddafi has not ordered the shooting of protestors The so-called "peaceful demonstrators" in the first days somehow conveniently obtained AK-47s, burned down police stations, and raided military bases for more weapons. Some security forces shot at them to defend themselves, others were given orders not to shoot and the rebels FILMED THEMSELVES rounding them up and executing them. ...
@LAVATORR Gaddafi has not bombed his own cities; multiple investigative reporters and fact-finding missions have gone to the specific districts of Tripoli which were supposed to have been bombed and there was absolutely no evidence of it. Russian Military sattelites have also shown that no bombing ever happened. Gaddafi has not ordered mass rape; those allegations came from a single psychologist who claimed to have contacted 200 women who were supposedly raped by somebody. ...
@LAVATORR Human Rights Watch asked for documentation - he had none, and when asked to see these women - he "lost contact" with them. Investigations by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have both found NO EVIDENCE of anyone being raped and they have said that they have not seen a SINGLE person who has been raped or who knew of anyone being raped. ...
@LAVATORR 2) NOT true; in 2008 Gaddafi imposed measures which took BILLIONS of dollars of revenue away from the foreign oil companies in Libya and gave it to the government, he also threatened to kick out all the companies, dismantle the government bureaucracy, and distribute the oil wealth DIRECTLY to the Libyan people's bank accounts. Then in 2009, he threatened to completely nationalise Libya's oil. And do you think this invasion is only about oil? ...
@LAVATORR NATO and it's backers have enormous geopolitical goals at stake in Libya, they want to overthrow the middle east and put proxy govts. How is it 'expensive' for them if we pay for everything they do? They can simply do whatever they want while the govts. and corporations that control them get richer. If the National Terrorist Council gains control of Libya, total chaos and bedlum will set in. ...
@LAVATORR The IMF will come in and enslave the country with debt and cripple it with austerity, Libya will lose it's sovereignity, everything will be privatised, and foreign companies will come in and steal all the resources. They will use the chaos as an excuse to send in their "peacekeeping" troops and the country will become a bloodbath, a new Iraq, and ENORMOUS profits will be made by the military-industrial complex. ...
@LAVATORR 3) Brainwashed fluorideheads like you blindly swallow the media's claims of Gaddafi's "war crimes" while ignoring the genocidal campaign being carried out by NATO and the terrorists. NATO bombed cities full of peaceful civilians, they have blown up hospitals, civlian homes, universities, peaceful religious gatherings, public transport, children's hospitals, power plants, TV stations, factories, and water pipelines, in an attempt to completely gut Libya's infrastructure...
@LAVATORR and bringing the civilian death toll into the THOUSANDS. They have dropped DEPLETED URANIUM bombs on Libya which skyrockets birth defects, cancer levels, and leaves radiation for billions of years. So much for humanitarian aid. In Tripoli they are using Apache gunships to strafe civilians who are trying to run away, they are mowing down anything that moves in the path of the rebels, and they are blowing up DEFENSIVE checkpoints set up by ...
@ichigo73186 Depleted uranium's radiation levels are almost non-existent(hence why it's DEPLETED), and no claims of birth defects or cancer resulting from exposure have ever been confirmed, merely spouted by squishy-headed little kids with a weak grasp on reality, like you.
"In Tripoli they are using Apache gunships to strafe civilians who are trying to run away, they are mowing down anything that moves in the path of the rebels,"
Proof. Now. Or are you just going to keep spouting shit?
@slightlyoutofreach01 Tinyurl . com /4yzgm5y /y6q7whm /3n6fcsq Does NATO shooting civilians come as a surprise to you? People who were there have said that NATO was strafing them with helicopters and journalists such as Thierry Meyssan who are in Tripoli have reported it. In the first 11 hours of the operation, NATO had murdered 1,500 innocent civilians and injured 5,000. The hospitals are overflowing and people are dying on the streets.
@ichigo73186 And I'll say it again, depleted uranium's massively weak radiation levels are SCIENTIFIC FACT. They have as much radiation in them as floor tile. Hearsay cannot make this untrue.
I've heard from just as many people -actually in Libya- that back up what the news reports are showing; people celebrating as their brutal dictator is finally brought down.
I'm sure it sounds compelling, but what is there to gain from killing thousands of innocent people? Nothing. So why would it happen?
@slightlyoutofreach01 He looked pretty black to me. You're just nitpicking. Why does it even matter what skin color he is if the rebels killed him, strung him up and mutilated him? If you had read the last article I gave you you would find out that the rebels have murdered and executed hundereds of blacks in Libya. Gaddafi has worked to create an African Union and has tried to integrate black Libyans into Libyan society, just as he has an excellent record on women's rights. ...
@slightlyoutofreach01 Black Libyans are considered to be pro-Gaddafi and are universally hated by the rebels. That is why the rebels commit atrocities against any and all black people, including Black Libyans and migrant workers. If you are black, the rebels will shoot you on sight. They round them up, have public executions, then dump them in the city outskirts. ...
@slightlyoutofreach01 How can ALL these videos of people being violently murdered, mutilated, abused and executed be faked if the rebels FILM THEMSELVES DOING IT and post it on the internet? They are nothing but a bunch of thugs and bandits. There are videos of them, filmed by them, with guns and hatchets stopping civilian cars on the roads and robbing the driver, or making the driver get out of the car and taking the car. And Depleted Uranium's radiation is "massively weak"? Give me a break. ..
@slightlyoutofreach01 The WHO says that DU's radiation levels are about 60% that of normal uranium. Iraqi hospitals such as in Bathra have reported huge increases in child leukemia and birth defects (tinyurl . com /3f83ray). Studies published in the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health in 2004 showed that DU increases cancer levels, decreases neurocognitive performance, causes vomiting, diarrhea, albuminuria, diuresis, myocarditis, chronic fatigue, rash, increased infections ...
@slightlyoutofreach01 cough, hair and weight loss. In 2004 Iraq had the HIGHEST mortality rate due to leukemia of any country. A medical survey of Fallujah in 2005-2009 found that "Increases in cancer and birth defects" were "alarmingly high" and that infant mortality had reached nearly 14%. Doctors in Serbian hospitals have reported that after the war the number of patients suffering from malignant diseases had increased by 200%. So don't give me shit about DU being safe. ...
@slightlyoutofreach01 I'm not saying EVERY SINGLE video of terrorists celebrating is staged. There were at one point gangs of them in Green Square, but they are no longer there. The media, however, was CAUGHT playing footage of Benghazi and other areas and saying it was Green Square. It is a KNOWN FACT that Qatar has set up a fake set of Green Square and parts of Tripoli to have the media film fake rebels celebrating there or for other purposes such as staging a massacre (goo . gl/0G2tr)..
@slightlyoutofreach01 Why has NATO killed thousands of people? First of all, you're basically saying "I can't imagine why they would do it, so I'm going to ignore all the evidence that they have." Look up all the images of ruined and blown up houses, schools, and hospitals, look at all the images of mangled corpses and mutilated children after airstrikes. (tinyurl . com /6zfbztx) Even now video is coming out of NATO in Tripoli bombing civilian aras. ...
@ichigo73186 I'll say it again, propaganda goes both ways. The people you get your info from have just as much reason to lie to you as the outlets you accuse me of blindly following. You're making claims of movie sets and whatever else being set up, while ignoring the fact that the images you see are just as open to doctoring and manipulation.
"a long, profitable Iraq-style war. ..."
Profitable. That's why the US is $14 trillion in debt, and rising. Because of all the 'profit' from Iraq. Sure.
@slightlyoutofreach01 NATO is trying to break the will of the people, induce panic, confusion and submission. They are trying to create a large death toll and completely gut the infrastructure of Libya to destroy it's ability to fight back against the terrorist rebels or a foreign occupation of Libya. A humanitarian catastrophe combined with the violence and chaos that will set in if the NTC takes over will give NATO an excuse to send in troops and create a long, profitable Iraq-style war. ...
@slightlyoutofreach01 Who is going to pay for all these damages, NATO? Obama? No, the Libyan people. When the country is completely in the gutter the IMF will come in with it's loans and Libya will lose it's sovereignty, it will be enslaved in debt, crippled by austerity, and it's resources will be handed off to foreign companies.
@LAVATORR CIVILIAN volunteers for SECURITY from the marauding gangs of terrorists. So far they have already killed 1,500 and injured 5,000. The so-called "rebels" are lawless bands of thugs. They have staged MASS PUBLIC EXECUTIONS of black Libyans and migrant workers, HANGING them from bridges, DECAPITATING and DISEMBOWELING them ON VIDEO. Journalists have seen them beating and MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE in the middle of the street...
Bullshit. Cite your source. Decapitations and disembowelment on video? Where are these videos? And don't just tell us to Google it. Give us the name of a website or address of a YouTube video.
Gaddafi is the one in the wrong. He was an absolute monarch in all but name. The Rebels and NATO are doing the right thing in ousting him.
@ichigo73186 "They have staged MASS PUBLIC EXECUTIONS of black Libyans and migrant workers, HANGING them from bridges, DECAPITATING and DISEMBOWELING them ON VIDEO."
Prove it. You can make any claims you want, but I have yet to see any one of you screwheads provide any kind of proof, beyond random videos of random douchebags talking into a PC in a room somewhere. PROVE IT.
@ichigo73186 The "black African" in that video doesn't look any different from anyone else in the crowd. The point I've tried to make, that nobody seems to care to listen to, is that propaganda goes both ways. If every single videos of celebrating Libyans is staged, as you and other claim, then who's to say the videos you and others put forth as 'truth' aren't just as staged? Just as fake? How do you KNOW they really are when the people who posted the videos say they are. You don't.
@LAVATORR ...and once they capture a town they BURN and LOOT houses, hospitals and shops, and KILL anyone they suspect of supporting Gaddafi. They use child soldiers, and they rob and steal cars on the roads. And they film themselves doing all this. You have no idea what you're talking about, or who you're supporting. The rebels are completely made up of al-Qaeda terrorists, foreign jihadists and insurgents, pro-monarchists, and mercenaries.
BankofSpirit is the complete asshole, not the correspondent. Staged? Yup, just like the landing on the moon. Having a bit of difficulty facing reality, are you? Maybe you should just bury your head in a pillow and tell yourself it's all a bad dream.
Meanwhile, the people of Libya will be dancing and celebrating their freedom.
@dhg20111 Have you looked at his channel? The guy is a complete fucking conspiracy nut.
This is what irks me about little Lefty 'freedom fighters.' For all their talk of fighting tyranny, the Libyan people ACTUALLY STOOD UP and DID IT, instead of trolling YouTube videos and calling it 'spreading truth.'
And they can never accept a good thing. Everything's always a conspiracy, staged, fake. These people fought to free themselves, but leave it to a 'radical' to throw a wet blanket on it all.
thanks sky news all best
10freemen 1 month ago
now that gadafi is gone, they finally will live that beverley hills life that belongs to them. right? because that is what freedom means....
11429142098aqfahsdo2 2 months ago
Das ist ja grauenhaft! Wie die mit dem Stahlhelm aus dem 2.Weltkrieg verkleidet und von ca. 6 Bodyguards um sich herum sich wie bei der Loveparade oder im Karneval rumfahren lässt! Und wilde Horden stürmen von allen Seiten im heissen August. Quatsch hoch 10 aber genau was das kriegerische Waffenliebende Amerikanische Volk macht bei einer gewaltsamen Übernahme und die NATO Flieger geben Deckung.
Peinlich und schlecht.
cocovonkoepenick 3 months ago
Great holy wood movie by sky .
YEAHH we only saw 50 People at the most ,,,,The rebels never topped 1000 people ,,,,
NATO USING ALQAEDA and bunch of thugs to topple secular Ghadaffi ,,,,,Now lets see if the new Libyan government would continue giving free education ,free Healthcare ,,,50,000 for each couple getting married,, pay 50% towards the purchase of a new car ,interest free government loans,housing like GHadaffis Libya did.
kiaaan420 3 months ago
"i call shannigans". you, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. may thousands of lights shine upon you. as for that bbc or was it sky lizard... well... even she ain't buying what she's selling. lol. (tony) blair, over & out.
911reset 6 months ago
No questioning her gusto , but she is also a vapid sky hack.
The rebels control nothing like 80% of Tripoli - they are still fighting around the compound and abu salim in the extreme west of the city, where they were 5 days ago. The rest of the city is a chaos of militias, most (but not all) of whom are rebel supporters.
Sky News have plumbed new depths by actually DISTORTING their map of Tripoli to make it look like the battles aren't all in one sector, and that green square is in the middle.
boosra 6 months ago
Thank you Libya for letting us liberate your oil...
76Gazz 6 months ago
shes lucky she haven't gotten anal raped yet
cryteeek 6 months ago
@cryteeek Seriously?
Aren't you the pessimistic type. You're lucky you haven't gotten raped yet.
DeguGamingNetwork 6 months ago
here's another report, shows this video is BS though PEONS words differ.. watch?v=0vovSFBss9Q
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
Where were the BBC? Not there! Ooops.
jayekayetv2 6 months ago
this is amazing! what a moment in history! Free Libya!!!
meshelmay 6 months ago 2
@meshelmay It's a little more complicated then that.
The billions in assets that were frozen during the revolution will be returned to the tribal warlords which, when combined with the imminent bickering that will arise when the tribes try to decide who will take over when everyone's favourite despot is gone, will give them the funds needed to buy enough guns to start a very, very big civil war that could potentially last a very, very long time.
It's not over 'til it's over.
DeguGamingNetwork 6 months ago
@tdfisk The trick is to take the teachings of an enlightened individual (e.g. the Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammed, etc ...) and put them to good use in your own life.
Each of them, along with many others, when you stop and think about it, taught a near-identical message of tolerance, forgiveness and understanding.
I'm not religious, but I understand and admire the truths these genuinely wise men taught.
I wish others could do the same.
DeguGamingNetwork 6 months ago
@DeguGamingNetwork It's not at all easy to learn tolerance, forgiveness and understanding and even they have their limitations. You're only 16, so you're just beginning to understand these things. Understanding is the big granddaddy of them all. There's very little we can truly understand. There are things that require zero tolerance. Forgiveness is a wonderful thing as long as we aren't being gullible. In short, there are no simple answers or shortcuts to wisdom/enlightenment. Thomas
tdfisk 6 months ago
@tdfisk Yeah, sure, I'm still in my teens. In the greater scheme of things it's irrelevant .
The fact that most chronological "adults" don't and can't understand what I just said, let alone put anything close to it in words or actions in the real world, doesn't exactly fill me with hope for those who are given control over my everyday life.
This level of stupidity which has enslaved our culture is something that, as you put it, is one of those "things that require zero tolerance."
DeguGamingNetwork 6 months ago
@DeguGamingNetwork I don't know what you mean by "in the greater scheme of things". Age is always relevant, but that doesn't mean it's always significant. You have no way of knowing what most adults can understand and I think it best to not make that kind of assumption. Hope is something you mostly find in yourself, rarely in others. My criteria for zero tolerance is quite different from yours. Your intolerance for your idea of stupidity isn't going to accomplish anything. Thomas
tdfisk 6 months ago
@tdfisk Intelligence has nothing to do with age.
There are smart people and there are, in layman's terms, "not smart" people. Some of them are old, some of them are young and some of them are somewhere in-between.
Intelligence isn't measured by life experience. That's wisdom you're thinking of, which comes with experience, as does worldly knowledge.
I am humble enough, and wise enough, to know that I don't know everything and that I never will. I learn what I can from who I can.
DeguGamingNetwork 6 months ago
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TheENTERRAPTURE17 6 months ago
@TheENTERRAPTURE17 I don't believe in the devil, but if there were a Satan he would post this kind of message to piss people off & turn them against Jesus. I very much believe in most of the teachings of Jesus. He taught love, compassion, forgiveness & not judging. What he taught was good and you preach the death and destruction of end times. Sorry, there will be no end days, no rapture, no Armageddon. We are seeing the beginning of our species, not the end. Live for life, not death. Thomas
tdfisk 6 months ago
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TheENTERRAPTURE17 6 months ago
lol wtf is going on below me?
husnain404 6 months ago
watch?v=QmH3XYaWSxI update on libya
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
what a farce that woman is wacked
toddyhawk 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 lol is time to get a life and not to answer all the comments ,bro...
okentkento 6 months ago
REAL reporting. REAL news. well done sky news.
senorcheng14 6 months ago
@flyingdrifter thats still because she feels in danger tho lol
jeffbriggs1987 6 months ago
The oil repreentative for the rebels mentioned they're going to have second thoughts about dealing with Brazil, Russia and China because they didn't vote in the resolution. LOL. Now we all know what this war was about. FUCK NATO.
what77777 6 months ago
so youre wearing the vest not because you feel in danger, but because theres so many bullets flying around. yeah that made sense
jeffbriggs1987 6 months ago
"I feel absolutely safe" yeah right
ekmad 6 months ago
Bullets going down can´t kill you.Stupid bitch.
adrianverdin 6 months ago
watch?v=Nn7dmEp7q5Y
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
i like the guy screaming fredooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom XD
yoodh 6 months ago
watch?v=zadvM7umTzk seems Ml6 has been coordinating and planning this for months!
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit It's hilarious, on the Mahdi video you keep linking to, the OP has blocked myself and others from posting, because we don't agree with him.
Suppression of dissent, how very similar to the disgusting monster of a dictator people like you and him so adore. You're in good company.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
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BankofSpirit 6 months ago
she is one brave lady
TKManUTD1989 6 months ago
The inane ramblings of conspiracy theorists are merely proof that it doesn't matter who the US and its allies are up against, a certain section of society will always rush to take the enemy's side and insist they're a perfect saint, even if they're as vicious and psychotic as Gaddafi.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 LOL! shills = hilarious, Libya offered highest standard of living to its people, now, its being bombarded by apes & BOTS. its always the same song/dance with PEONS, glorifying CORPORATIONS & condemning living beings, a sentiment that is forefront in all communications set forth by PEONS to beings. you say it loud/clear hiram, you say beings bad, CORPORATIONS & PEONS are good, LOL, hiram, you are so full of shit/sin, but you do get fiat$ to be a lie-ability/ass-set for hell.
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit "condemning living beings,"
You're the one desperately wishing a downtrodden people could go back to living under the boot heel of a vicious dictator. A brutal fascist leader who provides you with free healthcare, is still a brutal fascist leader. A threat of being made to 'disappear' for speaking out against the government coupled with a high standard of living is still an affront to human decency.
If you can't accept the monster Gaddafi is/was, that is YOUR problem.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 You & NATO are the same, not w/ people, not w/ life, but you're a PEON, more CORPORATE then human, a tool, akin to a shovel like what's used to push shit as shit is what lies around, your push it (pu shit) online! Look at his investment into water/schools/hospitals and more, but you're paid to be an idiot hiram. say they need to be treated as palestinians in their country, debt slaves to a Central banking scam & material worshipers, PEONS & puppets. watch?v=j1_e-UJ5fzc
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
watch?v=_yjjWXh175w
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
disgusting
eurogoldexchange 6 months ago
just another uprising. wonder what'll happen with the next Libya president
MrRealmadridbernabeu 6 months ago
Is Alex Crawford paid to spout pro-rebel prapaganda?
PattayaDIRTY 6 months ago
Where did all of Gadhafi's green flag-waving puppets scatter to?
WhereIsAzerbaijan 6 months ago
@WhereIsAzerbaijan watch?v=_yjjWXh175w
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
I hope this doesn't turn out like another Egypt...
god604 6 months ago
Alex, take off your stupid helmet. You look like a retard. Everyone else is walking around without them.
cjm081 6 months ago
watch?v=wDZ86eNaKhM here/hear/listen well to the past live report and hear what "a real not REEL or RAEL" journalist is saying, it is a lot different from what talking heads and online PEONS and those pretending to be reporters are saying.
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
The Rebels have done well, this shows that people have the power in a nation. Good job and for a free Lybia.
larsdalen 6 months ago
@larsdalen Lol well the Rebels...or any group would of done good having the level of support that modern air & naval power the west gave them, not that I care anyway who is winning or who is not, the question comes who is going to take over? And the final question is whatever new power that take control will the Rebels remember the help they got from the West or will they simply tell the West to piss off?
vanlore 6 months ago
@vanlore The Rebels still did most the work, they librated Lybia. Ofcourse with help of the Western Powers and some Arabic Countries. I would care since the Qaddafi's regime was a dictatorship and as it looks now the Rebel governement isn't. But we will see what happens.
larsdalen 6 months ago
@larsdalen If it wasn't for NATO bombing Libya to a pulp, the terrorist rats known as the 'rebels' would have been squashed like a bug within weeks. Now, the only reason they are inside Tripoli is because NATO shipped them in in boats and cleared the way for them on land by mowing down civilians on the streets with their Apache gunships.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@larsdalen These terrorists do not represent Libya, the majority of Libyans support Gaddafi. If the NATO & al-Qaeda backed National Terrorist Council takes over now, though, Libya will lose its sovereignty, get it's resources stolen, and will fall into chaos.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 Ooh sure, why do all the people that supported Gaddafi fle or join the Rebels. NATO and the EU are going to help the NTC (Which means National Transitional Council btw.) to set up democracy. Qaddafi is beaten all he rules now is desert with only a few cities with a few citizens.
larsdalen 6 months ago
@larsdalen watch?v=_yjjWXh175w
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit ooh they don't have his son..wwooo...Meanwhile Tripoli is mostly in the hands of the Rebels.
larsdalen 6 months ago
@larsdalen LOL.. keep dreaming, rebels are cowards, they need NATO panes to shock and awe then they c=go in afterward with shills in press while they shoot of guns and take pictures, then they all run away.... idiotic CORPORATE owned/pad shills for zionists are funny, here's your quote about the BOT/paid for rebels, "they librated Lybia" ... lol, that's hilarious hiram or is it irving? the rebels are murdering women and children, most are not Libyan and you cheer them on... you have no soul kid.
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit You fail, The Rebels are people who rebelled against a Dicator even though they would face death. You apparently missed much of the story, Gaddafi used planes against his own people first. First of all I am a Social Democrat, I also am Atheist. And how did you manage to hold Bengazi and take other cities, not by running away. They are people and fight because they want freedom. Gaddafi forces commited many atrocities.
larsdalen 6 months ago
@larsdalen all you say's contrary to actual evidence, he never attacked people, who do attack/BOMB people are not Libyans yet some are paid fiat-$ to join, paid to be online, Libyans get threatened or family threatened if they don't abet NATO/World Central bank scam which owns PEONS/lie-abilities/ass-sets for hell but know irving, i'm not a FOX NEWS junkie nor $-junkie, i've a better knowing of the world then a PEON, keep lying building a 6ft TALL-MUD hut underground as u can not-see/NAZi truth.
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@larsdalen watch?v=MM9pijt0v1g LOL, you area lying piece of poop or a stupid idiot, so, which one is it? lol
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit So murdering his own people who oppose his rule is not a crime? What your saying is also commited by Gaddafi forces through his entire rule and worse. That some of the Rebels in anger commited atrocities is something to regret. But there leader said that they must be aware that they don't make the same mistake as the Gaddafi regime.
larsdalen 6 months ago
@larsdalen who did he murder? there is no evidence, only lies from ZIONISTS who are now hiding in England as they were in Libya being paid fiat $ to start wars between the people. there are thousand & thousands of bodies now, dead from NATO bombs & your friends the Rebels, mercenaries not beings, soldier, that which is paid to cause mayhem, murder/rape women/kids, citizens! truth is irv, you're no better then murderous REBELS! time's near irv, wait & see, all you do to others, comes back 10fold.
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit "who did he murder? there is no evidence, only lies"
Where is YOUR evidence? The entire world sees the crimes Gaddafi has committed, yet you insist it's all a complete fable, while inventing crimes committed by NATO forces and the rebels, with zero evidence given, aside from a video of some random person talking into a camera at some random location that could be every bit as staged as the news reports you decry as propaganda.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 where on FOX NEWS and from you? LOL, you're an idiot hiram & only making your life to come worse. but keep on lying kid, attack people/abet what's wrong in this world as yours is soon to come and you are going to get 10X as much horror as the horror the innocent suffer due to the work of you & those who own your sorry stupid ass! i can see you, you can not-see/NAZi, typing, ginning, you think you're winning by sinning, sinking/sin-king, to a 6ft Tall-MUD hut underground.
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit I truly admire your ability to spew utter shit with a straight face, to make hilariously retarded puns without breaking character, and to fling insults at anyone who dares to disagree with you. You sir, are a professional.
I'm going to laugh my ass off when in 5 years, Libya is enjoying the fruits of democracy and freedom, while you've conveniently forgotten the entire affair even happened(because it didn't follow your predictions) and have rushed off to bark over something else.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 just keep workin your channel hiram & ghost accounts too! keep hiding the face/voice from a public you lie/profess to be part of. soon you'll see or NAZI, not-see hiram as all see/know what you are when you speak w/ living people in a condescending/spiteful way. it shows that you're not of/with the human race BUTT with what's dead/sowing death. CORPORATE owns your stupid ass, you insult life trying to dissuade others from helping me hand you your ass in a hat, which i did.
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit "you insult life trying to dissuade others from helping me hand you your ass in a hat, which i did."
All I've seen you do is make lame puns, spew random gibberish, dodge any points made against you, and spam links.
Keep living the dream, you ridiculous douchebag. Preach in favor of the destruction of the very countries that allow you to spit your BS. Try something like this under a ruler like Gaddafi and see how long you last.
Peace.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit Really, go away with your plot theories, it makes no sense. I am done talking with you.
larsdalen 6 months ago
@larsdalen why? a fantasy you try to sell is impossible to prove? you silly shills are so funny, but you are that way for money. so you say centralized bankers & soldiers are for people but people are against people, sick zionist rhetoric, you can't use logic to lie and if you are a liar, you can not see that logic defeats all lies. there is no logic in what you spew nor is it logical to listen to you as you spew hate/lies, attack beings, you state CORPORATE is greater for life then life itself
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
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larsdalen 6 months ago
@larsdalen LOL, i guess you got your fox news update hiram, thanks!
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit I don't watch fox I watch the NOS
larsdalen 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit Your opinion doesn't matter anymore. His compound has fallen. So please stop this nazi paranoia of you. As I said earlier, we are done talking.
larsdalen 6 months ago
@larsdalen watch?v=Nn7dmEp7q5Y
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit So because someone else tells different its the truth...stop spamming me and go away. Libya under Gaddafi is over.
larsdalen 6 months ago
@larsdalen LOL! hiram, you spammed this thread with lies/idiocy. "because someone else tells different its the truth" you must be below 18 as you admit you believe what others tell you which i and all should believe but not what "others" say. you're not there in libya nor there in the head as URA PEON, that is paid to abet a mind-fu@k job that CORPORATE kneads/needs to raid a nation & slaughter innocent people to steal the resources. Al-CiA-da leads the rebels, you support AL-CiA'da not beings.
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit The Internet is full of mentally ill people. I hope you can overcome your psychosis. Your hatred and contempt for people, especially Jews is merely projecting a self hatred. It is so terrible that we still live in a Dark Ages with regards to mental illness. Poor folks like you are left to try to cope alone. At first I thought you were just arrogant, but now I see just how ill you are. You have my sympathy and compassion. Thomas
tdfisk 6 months ago
@tdfisk now you troll? you worship me don't you tom ass, butt the me, theme that's you, witches is your only title along with fool. i blocked you pimple of the ass of life butt you show support for murder/mayhem/death, material worship again, you're the scum of new ZEE land, ZEE/Zionist, opposite of S/life-breath, Z's for material/death, Z's worship it as egos go wild for stuff. you sharing here is akin to the fart saying excuse me. run tom-ass, like the rebels who fight because they get paid.
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@BankofSpirit You appear to me to have a child's mind, trying so hard to impress while throwing a temper tantrums. Calling me tom-ass is extremely childish. You change the meaning of words to make other people fit your perception of them. If anyone dares to disagree or criticize your delusional perception of reality, you attack by degrading and dehumanizing. It's obvious you do this a lot because the pleasure of it is fleeting and your battered ego needs constant feeding. Very sad. Thomas
tdfisk 6 months ago
@tdfisk tom-ass, i deal w/ faceless cards like you to often, zionist trolls/CORP PEONS, lunatics/fruits & other forms of chaff from life. to 'em, who show no sign of being being friendly, i give exactly what they TRY to give to who is i. so do you think i care about what you say/assume/think? fool, you come to me, to spew idicoy/insults, yet, i, while negating idiocy, put to insult wit, tactfully, as in truth, to who is i, when conversing with the likes of things such as you, see you as shit.
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@tdfisk "when you go/die eternal, all of those that are around you now will fight over the crap that represents your pitiful/worthless life. and then those who take what is truly just your worthless shit, they will sell it, likely to get some coke & whores." now go away you useless troll or i will start using stronger words/spells that will show others more clearly that you are on deaths door. i do think the amaziing atheist is in need of things like you to be a groupie, go make him your god.
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
@larsdalen Oh, so the rebels committed 'some' atrocities 'in anger', huh? You mean like conducting mass lynching and executions of black Libyans and migrant workers? Publically beheading and disemboweling innocent people? Forcing captured soldiers to engage in cannibalism and sodomizing them with pistols? Rounding up soldiers who were given orders not to shoot and then executing them? Impaling children of Gaddafi supporters with metal poles? ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@larsdalen Burning and looting hospitals, houses and shops in captured towns and killing anyone suspected of supporting Gaddafi? Murdering and raping innocent people on the street? I guess this is all excusable since it was done in the "spur of the moment". But when the so-called "peaceful demonstrators" show up on day one with brand-new NATO rifles and burn down police stations, ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@larsdalen ...raid military bases for more weapons, and some of the security forces fire back at them for self-defence, THEN Gaddafi and his sons should be arrested for war crimes and brought to the International Court of Criminals. I see the logic.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@larsdalen Gaddafi used planes to bomb his own cities? Come on, you can't be serious. Multiple independent reporters and fact-finding missions such as from British Civilians for Peace in Libya have gone to the EXACT districts in Tripoli that were supposedly bombed and they found NO EVIDENCE of any bombing. The Russian military has been watching Libya and their sattelites have shown that NO BOMBING ever occured.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
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@larsdalen Nobody 'fled' anywhere, Gaddafi and his sons are still in Tripoli, the civilians were forced to hide in their homes because NATO had Apache gunships mowing them down in the street to make way for the rebels. That's the only way the rebels were even able to get into Tripoli. You're so naive. They're going to set up 'democracy'? NATO and it's governments don't GIVE A SHIT about democracy or human life. All they want is MONEY, POWER, RESOURCES, and FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@larsdalen They care only about their GEOPOLITICAL GOALS and EXPANSIONISM. This isn't CNN where everything is butterflies and flowers and your government loves you. The NTC can barely accomplish anything on it's own. It is composed of warring factions of tribes, Islamic radicals, and the like. They call NATO airstikes on each other. They MURDERED their OWN military commander. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@larsdalen All their funding, weapons, and support has come from NATO and all their operations have been planned by NATO and intelligence services. They can't tie their own shoelaces, let alone LEAD a DEMOCRATIC government. Are you BULLSHITTING me? If the NTC takes over, complete CHAOS and bedlum will set in in Libya. It will become a 3rd world slum and a western proxy state. NATO will use the violence as an excuse to send in "peacekeepers". ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@larsdalen This will create a bloodbath, Iraq 2.0, and they will try to make it last for as long as humanely possible to create a HUMANITARIAN CATASTROPHE and make as much profit as possible for the military-industrial complex. When Libya is COMPLETELY in the gutter, the IMF will come in with it's loans, and Libya will be enslaved in debt and will be economically crippled by austerity and other IMF policies. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@larsdalen Everything will be privatised, foreign companies will come in and take ALL the resources of Libya. This has been done so many times in the past, it is so BRAZEN and OBVIOUS, if only you could see through the cheap propaganda.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 Blah blah quit talking about things you have no knowledge of. I'm Libyan and the Rebels represent me and every single Libyan of the 1,000 or so Libyans in Portland Oregon. Not only do we support them but we raised $70,000 for them. Of my family and friends in Libya 100% of them support the Rebels. So quit making yourself look stupid.
Eetaq 6 months ago
@Eetaq Yes, because you're watching the western garbage propaganda media and you have no idea who or what you're supporting. If the NTC takes over, EVERYTHING will be taken from Libya.. If you'd only look at recent history and see what NATO and the west has done..Libya will fall into TOTAL chaos, NATO will send in troops and it will become a bloodbath, Iraq 2.0... Then the IMF and foreign companies will come in and take all the resources and enslave Libya in debt, you'll wish you had Gaddafi.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@Eetaq The so-called "rebels" not only have elements of al-Qaeda, at the top they are completely funded and controlled by NATO and those who engineered this 'revolution'. If they come into power they will just become a proxy state for the west.. furthermore, you are supporting NATO which has killed THOUSANDS of innocent Libyans and has gutted Libya's infrastructure by bombing schools, hospitals, power plants, water pipelines, houses, entire cities...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 What's next, are you going to claim NATO used nukes? I heard this same banter after we invaded Iraq claiming B-52s leveled Baghdad killing millions. In socialist/communist ideology it is believed and practiced that the bigger the lie the more people will believe it. That's why I call it The Liars Philosophy. Your melodramatic lies are not at all making an impression. Thomas
tdfisk 6 months ago
@tdfisk NATO HAS killed thousands, it HAS tried to eviscerate Libya's infrastructire, and it HAS used depleted uranium weapons (found by scientists). Are you going to deny all this? You are the kind of person who will continue denying everything even if the facts are right in front of your face in a desperate attempt to cling to the propaganda fed to you by the media. Libya will become a bloodbath, a 3rd world slum and will be enslaved by foreign companies and the IMF.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 Even if this is some corporate conspiracy, they sure wouldn't "eviscerate Libya's infrastructure", they'd just have to spend hundreds of billions to rebuild it. Depleted uranium is used by every military, including Libya. Yes, thousands have been killed, that's what happens in war. It's also what happens when you have a blood thirsty dictator like Gaddafi. Claiming people who disagree with you are brainwashed by the media is a typical lame tactic used on the Internet. Thomas
tdfisk 6 months ago
@tdfisk It's not "some corporate conspiracy" it's a standard long-running tactic used by NATO, the IMF/world bank, and other global interests to achieve their geopolitical goals. NATO's destruction in Libya has been documented, and don't be mistaken, it's the Libyan people who are going to have to pay for all of it, not NATO or Obama.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 I think it's obvious that there are conspiracies on a grand level, but I believe in the due process of law. That requires sound evidence obtained by qualified professionals with impeccable integrity. I am never convinced of conspiracies by people on the Internet who claim to know all the facts. You talk about documentation, I hear that all the time and very rarely is the information obtained and offered in a credible way. Conspiracy theorists tend to be obsessive compulsives. Thomas
tdfisk 6 months ago
@tdfisk Oh, it's what happens in war, huh? You're the same as the people who said that US army helicopters in Iraq shooting and murdering journalists and blowing up a press van with children in it in broad daylight was "collateral damage".
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 There were many crimes committed in the Iraq invasion, beginning with Bush who should be charged with war crimes, including murder. The reason so many crimes have been committed in Iraq by US military is because of totally incompetent political and military leadership. Our troops are severely abused and often lack in discipline. I believe that troops who commit crimes causing death should be executed by firing squad. What about the other side though? You don't mention them. Thomas
tdfisk 6 months ago
@tdfisk The resistance force often gets a little more leeway compared to the invading force. That's the way it's always been.
what77777 6 months ago
@what77777 I'm not sure what you mean by that. It wasn't true with the invasion of Iraq. Thomas
tdfisk 6 months ago
@tdfisk It's kind of hard to come by the kind of evidence you're looking for in the middle of a civil war, so we have to go on what we know. But you don't have to be a scientist to look at history, look at all the facts, look at what's going on now, and connect the dots using logic and common sense. Unfortunately, misinformation and disinformation often gets in the way of that and results in brainwashed people such as those who now support the war against Libya.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 What we know comes from the media and that's both sides. Everyone thinks what they believe are facts, but there are no real facts. You even admit to that. It's funny when you say an opposing belief is brainwashed. That's what they think of you. It's a bunch of people going in circles, but no one here can do anything about it. I do think that Gaddafi has reached the end of the line. As a helpless observer, all I can really do is wish the best for the Libyan people. Thomas
tdfisk 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 They call it collateral damage because it meets the damned definition. Everyone on your side of this issue has put that video forth as 'murder,' when it's no more murder than Police who misinterpret a cellphone in someone's hand as a pistol. It was tragic, and handled badly, but calling it MURDER is hyperbolic and ignorant.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 This and that could be manipulated, et cetera, et cetera, anything is possible. However, there is no EVIDENCE of the "info I'm getting" of being doctored, propaganda, or whatever you claim it is. On the other hand, I HAVE evidence, for example, of the fact that the media played fake images of rebels in Green Square. That is a BIG DIFFERENCE.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
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@ichibo73186 "On the other hand, I HAVE evidence,"
And there's just as much evidence against everything you've said, that corroborates the official reports of the events in Libya.
In any event, I don't really feel like continuing this debate. Several personal issues have come up over the past couple of hours that I need to deal with.
Even if we disagree, I thank you for being more civil than most commenters on YouTube, even if I myself was not so civil when I first replied to you.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 The Iraq war was profitable, for the CORPORATIONS and the DEFENSE CONTRACTORS. It's quite naive to think that all the money plundered by the global criminal elite will go to the American people. And killing thousands of innocent people as well as deliberately targeting homes and infrastructure of Libyan cities certainly can't be dismissed as "collateral damage".
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 "It's quite naive to think that all the money plundered by the global criminal elite will go to the American people."
It's not about the American people. The American people are just another group owed a debt by the US Government. What I am saying is that the US Government is now massively in debt. Why in the blue hell would they support a campaign that makes defense contractors and corporations rich, but in which they completely fuck themselves over? It makes zero sense.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 "And killing thousands of innocent people as well as deliberately targeting homes and infrastructure of Libyan cities certainly can't be dismissed as "collateral damage"."
I don't need to make the 'every source has a reason to lie' argument again. The problem this time is that you assume every soldier is a soulless monster who will just happily and willingly execute innocent people. Do you know any soldiers? I do. Many are friends and family. Not one is a cold-blooded killer.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 You're thinking in terms of the talking heads on TV, the PR and theatrics that "governments" present of themselves. There are forces above and beyond the American government or any other such group that impose their agenda on the world and will play sides off against each other to achieve their ultimate geopolitical objectives with complete disregard for what they are causing. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 As for NATO. They are both filmed and seen by witnesses in Libya bombing and shooting civilian targets and infrastructure; the aftermath is photographed and documented, such as the destroyed buildings and the innocent victims who are killed, and the death tolls of these victims add up to the thousands, according to common public knowledge and estimates by various groups and official bodies. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 I don't know how any of this could, according to you, be misrepresented to look like something it is not. And the soldiers are not "cold-blooded killers", but the same cannot be said about their commanders, and most soldiers will unquestioningly follow orders.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@larsdalen watch?v=_yjjWXh175w
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
alex crawford, my new hero/heroine.i find her even sexier with a helmet on. have i found a new fetish?
paulspeke 6 months ago
"Guns going off everywhere, it's an apsolutely amazing sight."
hardcore reporter
RichyDYupYup 6 months ago 2
@ArdarMolorak
i wouldnt call this "turn against", it's just the usual hypocritical and hesitant way of Chinese foreign politics. Actually it's just a trivial statement that does not include an endorsement for the NTC - sadly, sadly!
xenantaya 6 months ago
CRAPPY NEWS STATIONS Y U NO DO MORE ACTUAL REPORTING LIKE THIS?
MenthiX 6 months ago
She must be brave to do this. :o
Task5003 6 months ago
Moar sand diggers...
AuSSiEJaZzA 6 months ago
another illegal war we entered :( Wonder how much Sky paid that bloke to stand in front of the camera and scream Freedom,.....
mrconcept 6 months ago
@mrconcept It's not illegal.
Task5003 6 months ago
She should be careful in there. Remember what happened to that other female reporter?
TheNotSoLoneWanderer 6 months ago
I love all the conspiracy theorists defending Muammar Qaddafi as a lone warrior against WESTERN CONQUISTADOR IMPERIALISM when:
1) Qaddafi's crimes are horrific, numerous, and well-documented by multiple sources over several decades.
2) The West was already getting cheap oil from him and this campaign is the most expensive way to "steal" it possible.
3) The same people bragging about their "critical thinking" skills blindly swallow Qaddafi's propaganda while accusing others of doing the same.
LAVATORR 6 months ago 32
@LAVATORR "2) The West was already getting cheap oil from him and this campaign is the most expensive way to "steal" it possible."
You have to remember, a lot of these people are the same ones who insisted WTC7 was brought down specifically to burn a bunch of paper. Their common sense is lacking.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@LAVATORR LOL conspiracy theorists? You mean people who don't get their reality spoonfed to them by the bought & paid for globalist coroporate media and it's garbage propaganda?
1) Gaddafi's crimes? You mean.. giving Libya the highest standard of living in Africa? Free healthcare? Free education? Free housing? Free electricity? Welfare? Cheap food & gas? A multi-billion dollar irrigation system to give water to the desert that has been called the 8th wonder of the world? How despicable of him.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@LAVATORR Gaddafi has not ordered the shooting of protestors The so-called "peaceful demonstrators" in the first days somehow conveniently obtained AK-47s, burned down police stations, and raided military bases for more weapons. Some security forces shot at them to defend themselves, others were given orders not to shoot and the rebels FILMED THEMSELVES rounding them up and executing them. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@LAVATORR Gaddafi has not bombed his own cities; multiple investigative reporters and fact-finding missions have gone to the specific districts of Tripoli which were supposed to have been bombed and there was absolutely no evidence of it. Russian Military sattelites have also shown that no bombing ever happened. Gaddafi has not ordered mass rape; those allegations came from a single psychologist who claimed to have contacted 200 women who were supposedly raped by somebody. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@LAVATORR Human Rights Watch asked for documentation - he had none, and when asked to see these women - he "lost contact" with them. Investigations by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have both found NO EVIDENCE of anyone being raped and they have said that they have not seen a SINGLE person who has been raped or who knew of anyone being raped. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@LAVATORR 2) NOT true; in 2008 Gaddafi imposed measures which took BILLIONS of dollars of revenue away from the foreign oil companies in Libya and gave it to the government, he also threatened to kick out all the companies, dismantle the government bureaucracy, and distribute the oil wealth DIRECTLY to the Libyan people's bank accounts. Then in 2009, he threatened to completely nationalise Libya's oil. And do you think this invasion is only about oil? ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@LAVATORR NATO and it's backers have enormous geopolitical goals at stake in Libya, they want to overthrow the middle east and put proxy govts. How is it 'expensive' for them if we pay for everything they do? They can simply do whatever they want while the govts. and corporations that control them get richer. If the National Terrorist Council gains control of Libya, total chaos and bedlum will set in. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@LAVATORR The IMF will come in and enslave the country with debt and cripple it with austerity, Libya will lose it's sovereignity, everything will be privatised, and foreign companies will come in and steal all the resources. They will use the chaos as an excuse to send in their "peacekeeping" troops and the country will become a bloodbath, a new Iraq, and ENORMOUS profits will be made by the military-industrial complex. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@LAVATORR 3) Brainwashed fluorideheads like you blindly swallow the media's claims of Gaddafi's "war crimes" while ignoring the genocidal campaign being carried out by NATO and the terrorists. NATO bombed cities full of peaceful civilians, they have blown up hospitals, civlian homes, universities, peaceful religious gatherings, public transport, children's hospitals, power plants, TV stations, factories, and water pipelines, in an attempt to completely gut Libya's infrastructure...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@LAVATORR and bringing the civilian death toll into the THOUSANDS. They have dropped DEPLETED URANIUM bombs on Libya which skyrockets birth defects, cancer levels, and leaves radiation for billions of years. So much for humanitarian aid. In Tripoli they are using Apache gunships to strafe civilians who are trying to run away, they are mowing down anything that moves in the path of the rebels, and they are blowing up DEFENSIVE checkpoints set up by ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 Depleted uranium's radiation levels are almost non-existent(hence why it's DEPLETED), and no claims of birth defects or cancer resulting from exposure have ever been confirmed, merely spouted by squishy-headed little kids with a weak grasp on reality, like you.
"In Tripoli they are using Apache gunships to strafe civilians who are trying to run away, they are mowing down anything that moves in the path of the rebels,"
Proof. Now. Or are you just going to keep spouting shit?
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 Tinyurl . com /4yzgm5y /y6q7whm /3n6fcsq Does NATO shooting civilians come as a surprise to you? People who were there have said that NATO was strafing them with helicopters and journalists such as Thierry Meyssan who are in Tripoli have reported it. In the first 11 hours of the operation, NATO had murdered 1,500 innocent civilians and injured 5,000. The hospitals are overflowing and people are dying on the streets.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 And I'll say it again, depleted uranium's massively weak radiation levels are SCIENTIFIC FACT. They have as much radiation in them as floor tile. Hearsay cannot make this untrue.
I've heard from just as many people -actually in Libya- that back up what the news reports are showing; people celebrating as their brutal dictator is finally brought down.
I'm sure it sounds compelling, but what is there to gain from killing thousands of innocent people? Nothing. So why would it happen?
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 He looked pretty black to me. You're just nitpicking. Why does it even matter what skin color he is if the rebels killed him, strung him up and mutilated him? If you had read the last article I gave you you would find out that the rebels have murdered and executed hundereds of blacks in Libya. Gaddafi has worked to create an African Union and has tried to integrate black Libyans into Libyan society, just as he has an excellent record on women's rights. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 Black Libyans are considered to be pro-Gaddafi and are universally hated by the rebels. That is why the rebels commit atrocities against any and all black people, including Black Libyans and migrant workers. If you are black, the rebels will shoot you on sight. They round them up, have public executions, then dump them in the city outskirts. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 How can ALL these videos of people being violently murdered, mutilated, abused and executed be faked if the rebels FILM THEMSELVES DOING IT and post it on the internet? They are nothing but a bunch of thugs and bandits. There are videos of them, filmed by them, with guns and hatchets stopping civilian cars on the roads and robbing the driver, or making the driver get out of the car and taking the car. And Depleted Uranium's radiation is "massively weak"? Give me a break. ..
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 The WHO says that DU's radiation levels are about 60% that of normal uranium. Iraqi hospitals such as in Bathra have reported huge increases in child leukemia and birth defects (tinyurl . com /3f83ray). Studies published in the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health in 2004 showed that DU increases cancer levels, decreases neurocognitive performance, causes vomiting, diarrhea, albuminuria, diuresis, myocarditis, chronic fatigue, rash, increased infections ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 cough, hair and weight loss. In 2004 Iraq had the HIGHEST mortality rate due to leukemia of any country. A medical survey of Fallujah in 2005-2009 found that "Increases in cancer and birth defects" were "alarmingly high" and that infant mortality had reached nearly 14%. Doctors in Serbian hospitals have reported that after the war the number of patients suffering from malignant diseases had increased by 200%. So don't give me shit about DU being safe. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 I'm not saying EVERY SINGLE video of terrorists celebrating is staged. There were at one point gangs of them in Green Square, but they are no longer there. The media, however, was CAUGHT playing footage of Benghazi and other areas and saying it was Green Square. It is a KNOWN FACT that Qatar has set up a fake set of Green Square and parts of Tripoli to have the media film fake rebels celebrating there or for other purposes such as staging a massacre (goo . gl/0G2tr)..
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 Why has NATO killed thousands of people? First of all, you're basically saying "I can't imagine why they would do it, so I'm going to ignore all the evidence that they have." Look up all the images of ruined and blown up houses, schools, and hospitals, look at all the images of mangled corpses and mutilated children after airstrikes. (tinyurl . com /6zfbztx) Even now video is coming out of NATO in Tripoli bombing civilian aras. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 I'll say it again, propaganda goes both ways. The people you get your info from have just as much reason to lie to you as the outlets you accuse me of blindly following. You're making claims of movie sets and whatever else being set up, while ignoring the fact that the images you see are just as open to doctoring and manipulation.
"a long, profitable Iraq-style war. ..."
Profitable. That's why the US is $14 trillion in debt, and rising. Because of all the 'profit' from Iraq. Sure.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 NATO is trying to break the will of the people, induce panic, confusion and submission. They are trying to create a large death toll and completely gut the infrastructure of Libya to destroy it's ability to fight back against the terrorist rebels or a foreign occupation of Libya. A humanitarian catastrophe combined with the violence and chaos that will set in if the NTC takes over will give NATO an excuse to send in troops and create a long, profitable Iraq-style war. ...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 Who is going to pay for all these damages, NATO? Obama? No, the Libyan people. When the country is completely in the gutter the IMF will come in with it's loans and Libya will lose it's sovereignty, it will be enslaved in debt, crippled by austerity, and it's resources will be handed off to foreign companies.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@LAVATORR CIVILIAN volunteers for SECURITY from the marauding gangs of terrorists. So far they have already killed 1,500 and injured 5,000. The so-called "rebels" are lawless bands of thugs. They have staged MASS PUBLIC EXECUTIONS of black Libyans and migrant workers, HANGING them from bridges, DECAPITATING and DISEMBOWELING them ON VIDEO. Journalists have seen them beating and MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE in the middle of the street...
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186
Bullshit. Cite your source. Decapitations and disembowelment on video? Where are these videos? And don't just tell us to Google it. Give us the name of a website or address of a YouTube video.
Gaddafi is the one in the wrong. He was an absolute monarch in all but name. The Rebels and NATO are doing the right thing in ousting him.
nashertheatheist 6 months ago
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@nashertheatheist /watch?v=2frKZ5jFhho tinyurl . com /3fe9lbq /3cg6h49 /4kjmy7b There's more, I just haven't had the time to find it now.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 "They have staged MASS PUBLIC EXECUTIONS of black Libyans and migrant workers, HANGING them from bridges, DECAPITATING and DISEMBOWELING them ON VIDEO."
Prove it. You can make any claims you want, but I have yet to see any one of you screwheads provide any kind of proof, beyond random videos of random douchebags talking into a PC in a room somewhere. PROVE IT.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@slightlyoutofreach01 /watch?v=2frKZ5jFhho tinyurl . com /3fe9lbq /3cg6h49 /4kjmy7b There's much more, I just haven't had the time to find it now.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@ichigo73186 The "black African" in that video doesn't look any different from anyone else in the crowd. The point I've tried to make, that nobody seems to care to listen to, is that propaganda goes both ways. If every single videos of celebrating Libyans is staged, as you and other claim, then who's to say the videos you and others put forth as 'truth' aren't just as staged? Just as fake? How do you KNOW they really are when the people who posted the videos say they are. You don't.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago
@LAVATORR ...and once they capture a town they BURN and LOOT houses, hospitals and shops, and KILL anyone they suspect of supporting Gaddafi. They use child soldiers, and they rob and steal cars on the roads. And they film themselves doing all this. You have no idea what you're talking about, or who you're supporting. The rebels are completely made up of al-Qaeda terrorists, foreign jihadists and insurgents, pro-monarchists, and mercenaries.
ichigo73186 6 months ago
@LAVATORR watch?v=_yjjWXh175w
BankofSpirit 6 months ago
so where was the BBC while this was going on ?
melbop 6 months ago
A 'worls disgrace' started by the schoolbuddies "Obama and sarkozy".
NATO's 'Theft mission for Gold and Oil" is almost complete....
newoaknl 6 months ago
BankofSpirit is the complete asshole, not the correspondent. Staged? Yup, just like the landing on the moon. Having a bit of difficulty facing reality, are you? Maybe you should just bury your head in a pillow and tell yourself it's all a bad dream.
Meanwhile, the people of Libya will be dancing and celebrating their freedom.
dhg20111 6 months ago
@dhg20111 Have you looked at his channel? The guy is a complete fucking conspiracy nut.
This is what irks me about little Lefty 'freedom fighters.' For all their talk of fighting tyranny, the Libyan people ACTUALLY STOOD UP and DID IT, instead of trolling YouTube videos and calling it 'spreading truth.'
And they can never accept a good thing. Everything's always a conspiracy, staged, fake. These people fought to free themselves, but leave it to a 'radical' to throw a wet blanket on it all.
slightlyoutofreach01 6 months ago