These videos will help the 80% of Americans who DONT ASSOCIATE themselves with the Teabag Bowel Movement:
watch#!v=QCqQRflUWd4
Learn to Speak Teabag! Introductory video on the proper language etiquette of Teabagese
watch#!v=pilG7PCV448
The Teaparty and the Circus! Teabaggers at the Capitol flaunt their abundance of knowledge on the Healthcare Bill to stop the vote on Sunday. The Elephant walking backwards must mean something?
Enjoy watching the Teabaggers go Downthedrain! LMAO
I'm old now, but I'm not dead yet. I was trained to kill communists during the Korean War.I survived Korea and Vietnam. Ironic that I may die fighting to preserve the honor of my brethren on the streets of America.
21st Century is that when you talk shit, you got to have your research to back it up!
Your research can't be GOP talking points or a guy standing next to you with a blade of grass between his teeth or chewing on a toothpick or spitting out tobacco.
47 Million people don't have adequate access and are dying at a higher rates than those who do have access. AMERICANS ARE DYING...WHAT WERE YOU FIGHTING FOR?..YOU CAN'T MAKE STATUS QUO or doing nothing NOBLE!
@downthedrain08, most poor people are overweight, odd isn't it? Those same people are never seen jogging, without a cigarette and usually on drugs. And that is the reason they are dying at higher rates.
Truth and Misconceptions are different! GOP & Teabaggers like misconceptions like death panels 90d to 6mo of law signed: 1. No denial for preexisting condition 2. Children are covered on parents Ins till 26y/o 3. No more lifetime limits on benefits 4. No more dropping you for filing a claim In 2011 1. Medicare Recipients qualify for a FREE wellness check 2. Rate hires go under thorough review 3. Refund check for unused premiums Why didn't you want to vote for it?
The GOP have already pegged you for being "reactionary" and "guided on fear"
Since you have revealed that you are REALLY OLD and delusional, why not do some research rather than cut & paste GOP talking points and prove to me whether there are:
Piss & moan, Piss & moan - all FOX does is Piss and moan. When Dems see a problem they throw money at it?? Well, when the PNAC Mafia neo-con freaks see a country they can take over, they bankrupt our country doing it. You see all those Cadillac Escalades those fucking pukes bought with our money? There was so many lined up you'd think it was a Cadillac dealer in the Middle East. It's time our tax dollars are spent on us. If 700 bill a year on war is okay, 100 Bill a year on us isn't to much.
@starraider113 Yes good point. the U.S. government doesn't run anything. the corps. do..how's that worked out?? Where big insurance and big oil make the rules and are in the pockets of the government. Look who's aginst the Health Reform. big insurance corps. whos side are u on? peoples or the corps.?
Only Exchange Option in the Bill, Exchange is proposed by Republican and adopted by Obama. No Single payer or government take over. DON'T LIE. FACT and TRUTH hurts.
Go get them, get rid of this Unregulated Greedy B.A.S.T.A.R.D, who would rather see American die, just for making a buck. Tax on income $200,000 or more actually reverse the $ 2 Trillion Tax Breaks given to the rich during Bush Era, which was passed under simple majority vote. No Government takeover because no single payer in this bill. MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN WINS no new tax, affordable, secure, and comprehensive coverage!
Why would Doctors support a Bill that taxes them, > $200,000? They have seen enough abuse by the Insurance Companies against their patients: deny treatments, changing drug formulary, drop coverage, preexisting condition exclusion, & Medicare drug GAP for Senior. Dont ever get sick or in an accident, you will be bankrupted & screwed by Insurance.
November 5, 2009 — The American Medical Association (AMA) supports a massive healthcare reform bill in the US House of Representatives that may come to a vote this Saturday, but the voting can't stop there, AMA President J. James Rohack, MD, said today.
MEDICARE PART D DONUT HOLE. Former Congressman Billy Tauzin, REPUBLICAN-La., who steered part d through the House, retired soon after and took a $2 million a year job as president of Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the main industry lobbying group. Obama Bill will close 50 % of Medicare donut hole, 100% by 2020. Republican want 100% donut hole to continue benefits the Insurance and Pharma. Close the donut hole to help Senior.
MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN HAVE INSURANCE, but outrageous premium, deny surgical, drug treatment based on arbitrary profit driven criteria is IMMORAL. Tumor 0.1 inch over limits no treatment for you. MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS are still one accident, one serious illness, or one chronic disease away from declaring Bankruptcy. Only if you are lucky enough to receive treatments & live long enough to file one. System is broken and failed MIDDLE CLASS that is why there is an outcry for reform.
REPUBLICAN DOESNT WANT ANY REFORM, Bush had both houses, and they could have reformed it the way Republican wanted. On October 26th 2002, as a direct consequence of Senator Paul Wellstone's death, Bush has control of both Houses of Congress.
"Representative Dennis Kucinich, Democrat of Ohio, announced that he would support the bill"...who, thats a shock. This nimrod, who hasn't done anything for Ohio in years, get a free ride on Air Force One, some press time and whala- "I'm gonna Vote YES"
You dumb white people that have opress and enslave people. you and your comunist control ways has come to end it is time for you to pay . You better get your white talking head together and find a way and get us out of this mess that you and your dumb forefathers created ..
Nobody in the right mind will expect common citizens with jobs and busy lives to understand a bill this complex. That is why the US as many other nations have a Representative Democracy. We hire the Pros to make decisions for our nation's best interest. Polls numbers are relevant for elections and simpler issues, but not here. Populism is not the smart way to make decisions.
Pros making correct decisions! That's rich! We elect congress to follow the will of the people! Remember "We the People" ? Spending the countries future down the tubes, along with collapsing the dollar! You are in LaLa Land!
Obama was elected by a clear majority and he is doing exactly what he promised to do with HC reform. The economic disaster was inherited by laize-affair policies that Republicans love so much.
Scott Brown was elected because people don't like Obama! In Nov. we will pull his teeth, plus the bill won't be able to avoid the Supreme-Court sriking it down!
The healthcare debate began in Feb 2009giving the partisan Ins Co, GOP & Teaparty an 8mo headstart on propaganda about the Bill BEFORE it came to REAL debate.
In that time idiotic stuff like DEATHPANELS, GOV'T TAKEOVER FROM THE PEOPLE AND YOUR DOCTOR were allowed to flourish.
True debate did not really begin till this year
So with Americans confused and duped, do you expect different polls?
YET IT IS FUNNY how America WANTS the separate parts of the Bill though.
Is funny how can people expect common citizens have an informed and objective opinion in a bill that took almost two decades to conceive by hundreds of lawmakers and professionals that work in HC and is thousands pages long.
What we can do is going for the track record Republicanss and they have ignored the HC problems for decades. I trust more Obama and the Democrats with this one.
Get it done Mr President.
It is time to move on refocus on jobs and lot of other issues.
funny Republicans with their fear campain and the poor tea baggers are drinking it up...I hope to God this health bill passes. Health Reform is over due. This will save billion if not trillions over the long haul.
@Superfly2001. IF social security, medicare, medicaid are trillions in debt now, what makes you so confident government run health care will be any better ? Or do you even care ? As long as you become a servant to the politcial elite and get another hand-out, you are ok with it. Right ?
Look at Greece. Check out the riots because the slaves can not get their pensions, unemployment, food stamps, and health care. The Greek economy is broke due to entitlement spending. We are next.
@RightWingTV Greece is the best exmple you can come up with?? What about Denmark, Swedan, Norway, Finland all countries that are doing just fine. Go work on some new talking points.
@superflly - I just went online and looked at the economy of the countries you mentioned. Their economies are all sucking lmao. You, my friend, is the one who needs new talking points, instead of talking out of your ass and trying to sound intelligent with the democRATic talking points that fail under the weight of their own stupidity. Arguement over. Go troll another youtube video. LOL
@downthedrain08 - With all due respect. Have you read the 2700 page bill ? I didn't either. But I have read enough. It is government run. Tens of thousands of people will still die because it doesn't go into effect for another 6 years. What do you say to those who are going to die waiting for its enactment ? How do you feel about going to jail if you refuse to purchase health care ? How about the bureaucrats who decide for you which plans you can get ? Thank you. Next ?
With due respect. YOU & I have not read it, so WE BOTH are ignorant of the content.
HOWEVER, I studied the current system and the changes proposed now......Have you? Of course not!
If we REWROTE our current system, does it amount to 40 pages as in the GOP plan or closer to the 2700 proposed?
Doesn't our current system have the SAME Gov't Bureaucracy in place? What we are asking for in reform is a way to cover ALL people and apply restrictions so the Ins Co dont JERK YOU! -understand?
Your driving your car without Ins or a license. YOU get into an accident.....Guess what?---YOU GO TO JAIL, WHY? Why is it mandatory to have car insurance?
@downthedrain - Again. Another arguement that holds no water. I can choose not to own a car. Can't I ? I can walk or ride my bicycle. There is just no arguement you can use against me to justify mandatory health care. Even income taxes. I can choose not to work or get paid cash to avoid paying taxes. Forcing me to purcahse health care so everyone else is equal is not a Consitutional Republic. I would respect someone more who just comes out and says it. Yes it is forced, but deal with it.
Let's put it this way so you can respect me....It is forced because it makes sense. We have had too many people die for the sake of an ignorant choice based on choice. Biblically, we have made these choices starting with ADAM and an apple. The STUPID choice of NOT carrying insurance is when you do need it and WE ALL PAY MORE BECAUSE OF YOU!
It is mandatory to have car insurance to pay for the OTHER PERSON'S CAR. In Texas, you can opt out of car insurance if you send 55k into a savings account at the capital or if you have over 13 cars it isn't required. In other words, if you show you can pay for the other person's car, you don't need insurance. So how does your analogy work?
You can go online and find a bunch of STUPID laws in Texas. How does it make sense? You cause a bad accident, do you run because you don''t have insurance and don't want your 55K drawn out?
OR what happens if BOTH of you don''t have insurance but the damage to property and health amount to MORE THAN $55K? You get out the hospital with 250K of bills-WHO PAYS? AMERICA DOES!
The 55k is your insurance. Insurance companies only cover up to a certain amount and anything past you are liable, correct? It's the same thing.
But you are responsible for paying for the other person's car. That is why when you have payments you get full coverage because the car you drive isn't yours.
@freakawill2000 Let me assume you are an educated person.....
The loop holes you site, are they worth it....just to say I have the freedom not to pay for insurance!
We need to protect the WORLD from those that are TOO smart by half. Sooner or later the risk chip gets cashed in and your bill will be 100K more than you can afford......We are civilized, we will not deny you access to care and AMERICA will pay your bill. THEN we will all wonder when sense and guilt kicks in.
They aren't loopholes. That IS your insurance. Basically, you pay the insurance company to put up your 55k.
Now here is a novel idea, if you rack up 100k worth of hospital bills, shouldn't you be responsible for them? That is, instead of forcing others to pay for you, you find a way to pay for it?
@freakawill2000 "instead of forcing others to pay for you, you find a way to pay for it?" Sounds REAL novel until YOU ARE UP TO PAY FOR IT!
YOU would be on the Chapter 7 Line so fast!
Tell the same thing to the disabled- like Palin's kid or the Elderly. Do you think Palin's not getting Gov't services?
It also begs the question...have you ever volunteered in your life?..Have you EVER done anything for someone other than yourself? You can't be an adult, your too selfish!
@freakawill2000 Glen Beck Teabaggers flock to subscribe to your profile....So YOUR IKE is...YOUR ILK!
Being sensitive about your charity only shows me what ever LITTLE you give is filled with GUILT and REGRET! You probably think those pearly gates will open wider if you keep up the charade!
If you equate the worth of your generosity to stealing, then you are fooling yourself :(
Whoever subscribes to my channel is their own business and does not represent my views whatsoever.
Now, your apparent lack of understanding the difference between personal and social responsibility has led you to a very sad place. You feel entitled to other people's hard earned money. And to use your whole assumption of me being a religious man, here is one for you; if a man doesn't work, neither shall he eat.
@freakawill2000 Heh, Heh If your whole arguement about not supporting the Healthcare Reform Bill because "there's a man out there not working and will get some of my money"......YOU are the one that lacks understanding
@freakawill2000 How can I answer a question for which I am willing to sacrifice and pay for? If I said I want your money for myself, then I could understand!
I am the one willing to sacrifice for America.....YOU are the one that's not!.....Hmm, patriotism comes to mind :(
@freakawill2000 what are you talking about? Is this an indictment on taxes in general or health care. I don't use the freeways, are you suggesting that I can opt out, are commercial enterprises taking my money? Come on, they drive there damn trucks on it all day long for profit. That is big fat subsidy to the supply chain industry? Or is that the price I pay for living in society?
@cdog4100 Freeways are paid for by taxes on tires, oil, gas, etc. The more you use those things, the more taxes you pay. So the more you use public roads, the more you pay to have them. Is that an unfair policy? I claim it is fair.
The discussion DTD and I were having ended up with a kind of robin hood principle. He felt that he was entitled to other peoples possessions. I said that no, they can choose to give or not to give, outside of taxes. Without that choice, it is theft.
@freakawill2000 Only 70% is funded by fuel fees, the other 30% is a big fat kiss to motorist (general fund money shared amongst state), and the 70% still is not a use tax i.e., people with more fuel efficient cars use more road per dollar than people without.
I am fully supportive of a single payer system, because I think that the health of other people has an effect on all of us. And I don't need any altruism to get there. I think that it is logical to want to keep the working class healthy.
Don't get me wrong, I support health care reform. But this is health insurance reform and forcing me to purchase insurance to provide coverage to others infringes upon my freedoms more than I am comfortable with. Note: it is the forcing that makes me unhappy. I'm fine with helping others out, I just want the choice. Without that choice, I don't agree.
@freakawill2000 True, mandating health insurance does infringe on freedoms. But there is always a balancing act between safety and freedom. Here, it is our economic freedom that is at stake. Because the American Hospitals are required to treat critical people, many people without insurance simply wait to the seek help because they can't afford the cheap preventative care at the beginning. (And the severity of the sickness forces there hand.)
@freakawill2000 But in waiting, they now will never pay for services rendered, forcing the rest of us to eat the insurance premiums anyway. (Hospitals merely raise there rates to pay for the write off). It may be that this benefit will outweigh the cost issue you are raising (subsidizes for poor people to get base level of care). We spend so much of our GDP on health care compared to other developed countries, and yet we don't aren't ranked as high in service. This might just be a way to fix it.
And I understand the waiting. I also understand the average cost people pay for doctor's visits. Let's say insurance is 300 a month. You pay that monthly and then you have to go in, it pays 600 for a procedure, let's say your hand was sliced open and needs stitches. Well, if you put 200 a month aside for doctor's visits and didn't have insurance and you go in for your hand, the procedure costs 300 cash. Why? Doctors charge more for insurance payers. That is why prices are high.
@freakawill2000 That's just not true. I can tell you unequivocally that hospitals charge more for a single payers than insurance, because insurance companies have better negotiating power. Google "medical bill review" and look at the companies that make TONS of money working for insurance companies beating down hospitals on complex medical procedures. Single payers, however, don't realize that you can negotiate, and don't have time or the power to do it effectively.
And I can tell you that it is true because that is exactly what happened to my aunt. In fact, you can go through hundreds of doctor's testimonies saying they charge the insurance people more because they don't get as much money from cash payers.
@freakawill2000 I don't need anecdotes, I consulted for the industry for 2 years. They raise the rates for individual cash payers because they are non negotiated rates. HMO/PPO rates are significantly lower. When the individual defaults, those losses are allocated across the board. Most insurance plans are based of of HCPCS base rates, and hospitals will over charge by billing duplicate codes. Without medical bill review (services only Insurances comps can afford) the individual gets hosed.
I know the difference between mine and yours. In yours, the cash payer doesn't pay everything. In mine, they do. So if they default, it costs more. If they pay everything up front, it is cheaper. That sounds reasonable.
@freakawill2000 Ok, that's if they negotiate. Let's move on to the bigger point, because the solution to the problem that you have with insurance companies having to raise premiums to cover defaulters is fixed if everyone has insurance, because then NO ONE defaults. And, they are likely to seek care at an earlier stage (and thus cheaper care). This is exactly what, in theory at least, this health care law does. Will see how it works, but that is at least the economic theory behind it. QED.
But what about forcing people to buy health insurance? There is no federal grounds for allowing that. State by state, I am unsure. But federally, congress was not given that power except in cases of interstate commerce. If you choose not to engage in commerce, how can it be regulated? I know that is a talking point, but I want to see an argument against it.
@freakawill2000 Well, as I understand the supreme courts interpretation of the interstate commerce clause, the Supreme court has interpreted that Fed Gov't can regulate any economic activity that, in aggregate, has an effect on interstate commerce. Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942) is Supreme court case that everyone cites. Its a big one, can probably find it on wikipedia, and it will likely upset your sense of Federalism. (It does for me.)
@freakawill2000 cont t. This is the same reasoning that allows feds regulate minimum wage, United States v. Darby (1941), Equal Employment act. See Heart of Atlanta Motel., Inc. v. United States (1964), and even illicit drugs (sorry no cite for that one). The constitutional challenge to the health care law is a long shot . . . but it is likely that Thomas will agree, because he is an originalist and likely hates the decisions I just cited. But they are law, and stare decisis has some pull.
Thank you for finding that for me. You were right. It did upset that sense. That means Congress has the power to do practically whatever they want then. I don't think that is what was originally intended, but I can see the logic and it is the law. But under the same logic, Congress can regulate commerce inside foreign nations. That doesn't seem very "nice". Hmmm....
Now today your ilk descend on the Capitol protesting. You displayed Boos and thumbs down as the Presidents motorcade passed with the cameras however, when members of the Black Caucus went by, your ilk yelled n-word 15x with racial ephitats. You thought no one was watching? Everyones suspicions have been confirmed! Watch for the video!
I just hope one of this days, one of your family members gets cancer, and you'll get 20 grand bills every month, to keep them alive, to see why we need to fix the health care system
@okgotocommerical Iam a veteran and m VA doctor is from a different country,i cant understand her and i dont think she can understand me,where are all the doctors going.
are you fuckin serious, who are this rednecks who is paying them to stand there and protest, everyone here wants healthcare, we dont want 6 thousand dollar ER bills , because we got sick, nooones going to pay this bills, i rather have my credit get fucked up, then ever pay a bill more then 2 grand, fuk this rednecks, healthcare for everyone
The guy is a communist. He isn't even trying very hard to conceal that fact anymore. This will all come to no good soon. Soon as we are broke and have millions of unemployed people on the streets with no more government money coming in. Right after the November elections is when Obonehead calibrated the demise of extended benefits.
They are not poor BECAUSE they realize health INSURANCE is important so they get of their butts and get a job so they can afford it. The real fix is to kick out all the bums that think plans like NAFTA that force US companies to compete with countries that have no environmental laws & slave labor or move their business there. The intentional de-industrialization of Amerika is why many can't afford health insurance. It is not my responsibility to pay for you, can't find it in the Constitution
Same way they enforce a federal INCOME tax on Americans' EARNINGS - fines, penalties, prison, and their favorite... SWAT Teams. Notice the "Health Care" Bill (LOL) has many of its penalties through the tax code. The IRS just ordered 60 new tactical shotguns with 14" barrels - law abiding Americans need a BATFE tax stamp to own a 14" barrel shotgun "legally"
Back door Chicago politics...is what were getting. It doesn't matter what the majority of this country wants because we don't matter. It is sickening how the Democrats are moving forward. Just horrible!
You aren't going to do shit. Because you don't have the guts. You and your tea faggin' friends know there is a heavy boot waiting to crush your ass. So go into the woods with your drunk buddies and just continue playing army.
Yes I'll stand behind OUR president. He was voted in by the majority you know. That must pain you to know that. He was elected by a majority into office. People like you do not respect free elections. You just want it all your way. You are the dick-traitor. :)
I always vote third party. But I enjoy seeing conservatives get upset. :) Hang in there. It is only a few more years and then I'm sure the people (morons as you call them) will elect another nazi like bush into office.
@takeahnase2009: "Another nazi like bush" LOL, we already got him, Obama-accelerates the illegal wars, expands drone strikes into Pakistan, prolonged detention, refuses more FOIA requests than Bush by tens of thousands, sells our grandchildren as indentured servants to banks, wants national DNA database, wants gun grabbing treaty signed by Clinton approved by senate, renewed (un)Patriot Act....The Dems & Repubs defecate on the Constitution with equal joy. Which 3rd party do you vote-Communists?
We had very poor choices last election. Look at the polls today , Glory Days are over for Obonehead. His approval rating is down around 44%. He is a communist and he will be stopped. We are taking America back.
You aren't gonna do shit. People like you are just pretend revolutionaries. You don't have the guts to do nothing. So just sit down and shut up. Your side lost because you are all crazy religious nuts.
@takeahnase2009: You think electronic voting machines = free elections, HA HA HA! How do you think Bush got Ohio? We should have paper audit trail and everyone should have their finger dyed when they vote. the credibility in the voting system has been gone for a long time.
Since you're an Obamatard you probably think men standing in front of voting centers with paramilitary gear and clubs = free elections, too since they were Obama supporters. The Left/ Right Paradigm has killed the Constitution
People like you have "old" thinking. Younger generations know you are full of shit and full of fear. Move aside dumbass. It is our turn to wreck the country, you already had your chance. When crazy people like you finally die off the world will be a whole lot better. Fear me. I am communist! ha ha ha ha
Fear me. I am a trained veteran of the US Navy. I was trained to kill communists during the Korean War. What training have you have to defend yourself?
Yeah typical conservative response. If you can't eat it or fuck it then kill it. You and your sons and your sons sons will be doing a lot of killing. And it will never be enough. And that this does not bother you tells me that you are empty and angry and doing the devil's work. Keep it up. We can tear this country apart. :)
This country is already in the process of a fundamental transformation , didn't you know? We are working now to reverse that. We are taking America back.
Food is a human right. There is too much profit in the food business.
Look at the corporations that grow most of the food in this country. Look at the corporations that own the trucks that transport this food. Look at the warehouse corporations, the food processing corporations, the corporations that package the food. Not to mention the advertising corporations and the corporations that sell the food. The retail corporations. There is too much profit made from providing his human right. Food.
It's about the communist manifesto. You asked me what I was going to work on next, now that I feel HC will pass. Food, shelter, and clothing. All human rights.
Also , we must close down, nationalize corporations. They make profits. They steal from the proletariat. I enumerated a few in my food analogy. Do you disagree that corporations are the main culprit?
Of course you already knew that in addition to the 16 million employees from the insurance industry who will soon find themselves on unemployment compensation, the investors with 401K and various other retirement funds will be shifted, by mandate, to have their investments put into US T-bills. It will be a complete government take over by the end of this year.Chavez will sleep in the Lincoln bedroom by November.
Food banks are out of food already. Food stamps are rationed. Yes, certain members of congress have tried to make food , shelter, and clothing a right for longer than 40 years. More like 110 years. Turn of the last century had communists in congress.
I know lots of dummies to went to college. When they got out, they were still dummies. It might be interesting to know which disciplines you have studied. My oldest son has you beat. My youngest son has it all over his big brother. Neither can touch me yet. I am much more diverse than opportunity will ever provide for them.
Part of what I say here is frivolous. Part is not.
I feel bad about America's faith & economy.... It's destoryed by aggressive people. You see madoff scammed millions of middle class families. they went bankrupted. tiger woods isn't really buddhist. He's using people for profit. Watching masters it will be like millions cheering pornstars more. And Crazy lady steals Oscar show. Fucked up.
You people are stupid to let the middle man take your money and give you nothing in return! Why on earth would you want to give the insurance middle man 1 TRILLION a year they do not even earn, while they deny you coverage. if they haven't denied you coverage yet, don't worry they will and you will be stuck.
What do Insurance co do for you that you would give them money for nothing. They have denied every claim I ever made with them, I say screw them, I wont ever give then con men a cent!
This is the biggest legislation in 40 years. When such a huge bill is not backed by the majority of the people and no one from on party voted for it and the other party had to buy Votes. It should be put on the shelf. It is a bad bill that will give Government massive power over healthcare. It has unconstitutional mandates. It creates 159 new government agencies and programs, it give ins companies billions, it raises 500 billion it new taxes, it cuts medicare payment that will lead to rationing.
@quizerry: Don't forget that we have to pay for it for years before any of the bennies kick in for real. It is the same thing as Bush's No Child Left Behind. If you know how that really works, you would know that it is a stealth means by which feds can take over school districts. This fake health bill just gives more power to the feds too. The banking/military complex has overthrown our government. The politicians are traitors. Any that signed Patriot Act or this are traitors.
I wonder if those two old people feel like giving up their Govt. healthcare? Obama should come out there and ask them. Or maybe just take it away and give it to someone that wants it.
Good God man - get a grip. You people are acting like it's the end of the freaking world. I've never known anyone looking to give more of their hard earned cash to some greedy-ass insurance company that don't pay-off worth a shit when you need them. What is this really about - not wanting to get healthcare? Yur not sick so you don't want it? And what happens if something happens? When Obama ran for Prez he was against mandatory coverage. But the covered are getting stuck with everybody's bill.
@HemiHead66 if you actually read the health care documents, you will discover that what this really does is raise taxes, lowers benifits from already existing insuence plans. while your at it look up death pannals and the possibility of being imprisoned for 5 years for not having insurence or fines. also look up how universal heathcare works in other countrys, i dont think i would want to wait 18 months for a heart problem to be fixed. 70% dont want this to pass, i think the why is clear
Food is a human right. There is too much profit made in the food business. We must nationalize the food industry. Look at all the evil corporations making a profit from our food. Farming corporations, trucks and trains owned by big corporations. Look at the greedy corporations that profit from warehousing this food, the ones who profit from processing this food.. The evil corporations that package and advertise and sell in these filthy corporate food stores. Down with corporate profit on food.
Ron Paul 2012
BeantownJim 1 year ago
These videos will help the 80% of Americans who DONT ASSOCIATE themselves with the Teabag Bowel Movement:
watch#!v=QCqQRflUWd4
Learn to Speak Teabag! Introductory video on the proper language etiquette of Teabagese
watch#!v=pilG7PCV448
The Teaparty and the Circus! Teabaggers at the Capitol flaunt their abundance of knowledge on the Healthcare Bill to stop the vote on Sunday. The Elephant walking backwards must mean something?
Enjoy watching the Teabaggers go Downthedrain! LMAO
downthedrain08 1 year ago
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downthedrain08 1 year ago
Did some Research on Deficits since its popular with the GOP.
Bush took 3T in Surplus and put us in a recession his last year in office.
Heres partially why through the CBO numbers:
1st Bush Tax Cut (+)1.3T to DEFICIT!
Medicare Part-D (+)400B
2nd Bush Tax Cut (+)350B
We GET NO saving with these programs.
NOW Dems plan: Healthcare Reform (-)138B over 10yrs & (-)1.2T over 20yrs & 32Million covered
Do you REALLY trust GOP to cut the deficit?
downthedrain08 1 year ago
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downthedrain08 1 year ago
@starraider113 Cite your source! You can't pull shit out of a hat!
First very few studies are that large. And I would have seen it.
2nd Who's providing gov't care? Gov't EVIL doctors? Of course not- It's your doctor around the corner or up the street.
3rd You are terribly misinformed! Obama approved more student aid, I suggest you go back to school instead of picketing with the Teabaggers!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
@starraider113 Cite your numbers!
47 Million Uninsured/Underinsured as of 2009. There are 1million added to the rolls every year! 500K more by Nov!
1/2 are working uninsured- You didn't know they also work!
10 Million are illegal!
So kick out the illegals!.....37 Million don't have access to HC idiot!
ARE THE NUMBERS GOING DOWN? Cite Cite Cite!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
If we don't get active we will lose our country.
I'm old now, but I'm not dead yet. I was trained to kill communists during the Korean War.I survived Korea and Vietnam. Ironic that I may die fighting to preserve the honor of my brethren on the streets of America.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
YOU ARE OLD & IGNORANT!
21st Century is that when you talk shit, you got to have your research to back it up!
Your research can't be GOP talking points or a guy standing next to you with a blade of grass between his teeth or chewing on a toothpick or spitting out tobacco.
47 Million people don't have adequate access and are dying at a higher rates than those who do have access. AMERICANS ARE DYING...WHAT WERE YOU FIGHTING FOR?..YOU CAN'T MAKE STATUS QUO or doing nothing NOBLE!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
Assuming you are corect, and they force this bill through somehow, I have already moved on to the next communist project.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE GREAT! You feel HCR will pass!
What's the next communist plot for this Obama Administration? Improving Education? or Immigration Reform?
downthedrain08 1 year ago
The mortality rate is about the same for most age groups above infancy regardless of whether you have health insurance or not.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE BULL SHIT! Cite your source!
The Uninsured/Insured are the LAST to go to the doctor and when they do....it's the Emergency Room with a MUCH ADVANCED DISEASE!
They have CHRONIC DISEASE 4-6X higher than an insured person. So knowning these facts....why would their morbidity or mortality be less?
Don't talk yourself into STUPIDITY...GO RESEARCH!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
@downthedrain08, most poor people are overweight, odd isn't it? Those same people are never seen jogging, without a cigarette and usually on drugs. And that is the reason they are dying at higher rates.
wetweasel56 1 year ago
@wetweasel56
There are no CLOSE relationships between socioeconomic status and body habitus.
For example, take fat ass, ignorant RUSH!
Makes 400 Million a year, fills your head up with shit and is still FAT and an OXYCONTIN addict
Next, take fat ass Cheney. Up to his neck in OIL investments, 5 Heart attacks!....You see him jogging? Yet still FAT & RICH
You know Beck is a little on the chubby side... since you Teabaggers started bending down in front of his table! LOL
downthedrain08 1 year ago
The proposed health care bill now in congress does the following:
1.Reduces payments to medicate by $500,000,000.
2. Increases taxes by $500,000,000.
3.Reduces service by adding 30 million new patients.
4.Reduces the number of doctors providing service.
5.Pays for abortion
6.Pays for illegal health care.
7.Mandates membership for age 26. Fines and Jail if dont participate.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago 3
8.Ignores tort reform
9.Ignores getting health care insurance across state lines.
10.Ignores permitting small businesses to pool for lower costs.
11.Rations health care as per #3 and #4 above.
12.Cant be passed with up or down vote. Uses shenanigans on St Pats day.
13.Includes the Louisiana Purchase, The Cornhusker Kickback, the Florida Gator Aid.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago 2
WOW! More GOP Talking Points
8. Do you want to be on the other end of Tort reform when you are on a ventilator?
9. CBO states it has no MAJOR BENEFITS-prove otherwise
10. WE ALREADY DO THAT IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER-prove that it is special
11. Healthcare is ALREADY RATIONED-prove otherwise!
12. Wait till SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE! LOL
13. Those have been amended out
47 Million Uninsured/Underinsured draining our system. 500K more by Nov.
NEED ANSWERS- NOT GOP KICK THE CAN! :)
downthedrain08 1 year ago
LOOK! Talking Points!
1. medicate=Medicare. That amount is the Reform needed for Bush's Part-D
2. The Bill is to lower Premiums, not raise-prove
3. ANY Healthcare system rations. 30Million healthier Americans is MORE productive for the country
4. How are doctors reduced? QUIT? What other than Medicine can a doctor do?BS
5. IS RAPE ALSO TOO BAD FOR YOU?
6. What's illegal healthcare? YOU already pay for it in the ER
7. YOU should go to jail if America needs to pay for your HOSPITAL BILLS!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
hahahaha
At least the points I made are truthful and give plenty of reasons not to vote for this HC bill.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
downthedrain08 1 year ago
hahaha
Not only am I not voting for it, I am working very hard to defeat it.
It is a sham. It is not what it is touted to be. Not what the claims for it are. A pack of lies.
Forget me, draino, go for the jugular of some inexperienced uneducated young person who can't think yet.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
Heh, Heh
The GOP have already pegged you for being "reactionary" and "guided on fear"
Since you have revealed that you are REALLY OLD and delusional, why not do some research rather than cut & paste GOP talking points and prove to me whether there are:
47 Million who are uninsured/underinsured
They are draining our HC system
500K more by Nov.
These numbers get bigger and NEVER go down
Insurance Co. drop you with prexisting coditions
Some Ins. Co have rised rates by 38% this year
downthedrain08 1 year ago
code redneck.
movement26 1 year ago
government could fuk up a steel ball, grab the torches... viva versailles !!!
1Guitarslayer 1 year ago
Piss & moan, Piss & moan - all FOX does is Piss and moan. When Dems see a problem they throw money at it?? Well, when the PNAC Mafia neo-con freaks see a country they can take over, they bankrupt our country doing it. You see all those Cadillac Escalades those fucking pukes bought with our money? There was so many lined up you'd think it was a Cadillac dealer in the Middle East. It's time our tax dollars are spent on us. If 700 bill a year on war is okay, 100 Bill a year on us isn't to much.
HemiHead66 1 year ago
DC needs to be nuked to hell.
okefixico 1 year ago 2
This Lib hates this Health Care Bill!
I am voting Repu!
You are screwing up Dems!!!!
shampoovta 1 year ago
@starraider113 Yes good point. the U.S. government doesn't run anything. the corps. do..how's that worked out?? Where big insurance and big oil make the rules and are in the pockets of the government. Look who's aginst the Health Reform. big insurance corps. whos side are u on? peoples or the corps.?
Superflly2001 1 year ago
Obama can't even get his people to vote for this bull shit bill!This is about power not Health Care !
killergames187 1 year ago
Only Exchange Option in the Bill, Exchange is proposed by Republican and adopted by Obama. No Single payer or government take over. DON'T LIE. FACT and TRUTH hurts.
noformstyle 1 year ago
GOD BLESS OBAMA & AMERICA!
Go get them, get rid of this Unregulated Greedy B.A.S.T.A.R.D, who would rather see American die, just for making a buck. Tax on income $200,000 or more actually reverse the $ 2 Trillion Tax Breaks given to the rich during Bush Era, which was passed under simple majority vote. No Government takeover because no single payer in this bill. MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN WINS no new tax, affordable, secure, and comprehensive coverage!
noformstyle 1 year ago
AMA and ANA (DOCTORS & NURSES) support the Bill.
4Profit Insurance companies are against the Bill.
Why would Doctors support a Bill that taxes them, > $200,000? They have seen enough abuse by the Insurance Companies against their patients: deny treatments, changing drug formulary, drop coverage, preexisting condition exclusion, & Medicare drug GAP for Senior. Dont ever get sick or in an accident, you will be bankrupted & screwed by Insurance.
I will go with AMA on Health Care Reform.
noformstyle 1 year ago
November 5, 2009 — The American Medical Association (AMA) supports a massive healthcare reform bill in the US House of Representatives that may come to a vote this Saturday, but the voting can't stop there, AMA President J. James Rohack, MD, said today.
noformstyle 1 year ago
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MEDICARE PART D DONUT HOLE. Former Congressman Billy Tauzin, REPUBLICAN-La., who steered part d through the House, retired soon after and took a $2 million a year job as president of Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the main industry lobbying group. Obama Bill will close 50 % of Medicare donut hole, 100% by 2020. Republican want 100% donut hole to continue benefits the Insurance and Pharma. Close the donut hole to help Senior.
noformstyle 1 year ago
MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN HAVE INSURANCE, but outrageous premium, deny surgical, drug treatment based on arbitrary profit driven criteria is IMMORAL. Tumor 0.1 inch over limits no treatment for you. MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS are still one accident, one serious illness, or one chronic disease away from declaring Bankruptcy. Only if you are lucky enough to receive treatments & live long enough to file one. System is broken and failed MIDDLE CLASS that is why there is an outcry for reform.
noformstyle 1 year ago
REPUBLICAN DOESNT WANT ANY REFORM, Bush had both houses, and they could have reformed it the way Republican wanted. On October 26th 2002, as a direct consequence of Senator Paul Wellstone's death, Bush has control of both Houses of Congress.
noformstyle 1 year ago
Google "9/11 Nukes - Radiation-induced cancers"
WTCnucleardemolition 1 year ago
"Representative Dennis Kucinich, Democrat of Ohio, announced that he would support the bill"...who, thats a shock. This nimrod, who hasn't done anything for Ohio in years, get a free ride on Air Force One, some press time and whala- "I'm gonna Vote YES"
Someone fire Congress PLEASE
IslamistTube 1 year ago
testa
reg373 1 year ago
You dumb white people that have opress and enslave people. you and your comunist control ways has come to end it is time for you to pay . You better get your white talking head together and find a way and get us out of this mess that you and your dumb forefathers created ..
justbun 1 year ago
justbun: Look who is calling people dumb! You can't even spell or form a sentence correctly! Did you graduate sixth grade yet, Jethro?
Wildkkat1 1 year ago
@Wildkkat1 a white person created dumb jethro and i am in the eight grade
justbun 1 year ago
53% of Americans don't want this health-care bill, so why do the Democrats let these liberals push this on us?
Wildkkat1 1 year ago
Nobody in the right mind will expect common citizens with jobs and busy lives to understand a bill this complex. That is why the US as many other nations have a Representative Democracy. We hire the Pros to make decisions for our nation's best interest. Polls numbers are relevant for elections and simpler issues, but not here. Populism is not the smart way to make decisions.
Lucem2 1 year ago
Pros making correct decisions! That's rich! We elect congress to follow the will of the people! Remember "We the People" ? Spending the countries future down the tubes, along with collapsing the dollar! You are in LaLa Land!
Wildkkat1 1 year ago
The "Will of we the People" has been followed.
Obama was elected by a clear majority and he is doing exactly what he promised to do with HC reform. The economic disaster was inherited by laize-affair policies that Republicans love so much.
Lucem2 1 year ago
Scott Brown was elected because people don't like Obama! In Nov. we will pull his teeth, plus the bill won't be able to avoid the Supreme-Court sriking it down!
Wildkkat1 1 year ago
The healthcare debate began in Feb 2009giving the partisan Ins Co, GOP & Teaparty an 8mo headstart on propaganda about the Bill BEFORE it came to REAL debate.
In that time idiotic stuff like DEATHPANELS, GOV'T TAKEOVER FROM THE PEOPLE AND YOUR DOCTOR were allowed to flourish.
True debate did not really begin till this year
So with Americans confused and duped, do you expect different polls?
YET IT IS FUNNY how America WANTS the separate parts of the Bill though.
That's why!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
Is funny how can people expect common citizens have an informed and objective opinion in a bill that took almost two decades to conceive by hundreds of lawmakers and professionals that work in HC and is thousands pages long.
What we can do is going for the track record Republicanss and they have ignored the HC problems for decades. I trust more Obama and the Democrats with this one.
Get it done Mr President.
It is time to move on refocus on jobs and lot of other issues.
Lucem2 1 year ago
funny Republicans with their fear campain and the poor tea baggers are drinking it up...I hope to God this health bill passes. Health Reform is over due. This will save billion if not trillions over the long haul.
Superflly2001 1 year ago
@Superfly2001. IF social security, medicare, medicaid are trillions in debt now, what makes you so confident government run health care will be any better ? Or do you even care ? As long as you become a servant to the politcial elite and get another hand-out, you are ok with it. Right ?
Look at Greece. Check out the riots because the slaves can not get their pensions, unemployment, food stamps, and health care. The Greek economy is broke due to entitlement spending. We are next.
RightWingTV 1 year ago
@RightWingTV Greece is the best exmple you can come up with?? What about Denmark, Swedan, Norway, Finland all countries that are doing just fine. Go work on some new talking points.
Superflly2001 1 year ago
@superflly - I just went online and looked at the economy of the countries you mentioned. Their economies are all sucking lmao. You, my friend, is the one who needs new talking points, instead of talking out of your ass and trying to sound intelligent with the democRATic talking points that fail under the weight of their own stupidity. Arguement over. Go troll another youtube video. LOL
RightWingTV 1 year ago
Can you SPECIFICALLY tell me how the Healthcare Reform Bill is govenment run?
How is it any different from the system we have now that's unregulated and allows 47 Million to be uninsured and underinsured?
Don't get your info from a guy that bites on a blade of grass or chews on a toothpick or spits out tobacco
Do you own RESEARCH! :)
downthedrain08 1 year ago
@downthedrain08 - With all due respect. Have you read the 2700 page bill ? I didn't either. But I have read enough. It is government run. Tens of thousands of people will still die because it doesn't go into effect for another 6 years. What do you say to those who are going to die waiting for its enactment ? How do you feel about going to jail if you refuse to purchase health care ? How about the bureaucrats who decide for you which plans you can get ? Thank you. Next ?
RightWingTV 1 year ago
With due respect. YOU & I have not read it, so WE BOTH are ignorant of the content.
HOWEVER, I studied the current system and the changes proposed now......Have you? Of course not!
If we REWROTE our current system, does it amount to 40 pages as in the GOP plan or closer to the 2700 proposed?
Doesn't our current system have the SAME Gov't Bureaucracy in place? What we are asking for in reform is a way to cover ALL people and apply restrictions so the Ins Co dont JERK YOU! -understand?
downthedrain08 1 year ago
Check this analogy......
Your driving your car without Ins or a license. YOU get into an accident.....Guess what?---YOU GO TO JAIL, WHY? Why is it mandatory to have car insurance?
downthedrain08 1 year ago
@downthedrain - Again. Another arguement that holds no water. I can choose not to own a car. Can't I ? I can walk or ride my bicycle. There is just no arguement you can use against me to justify mandatory health care. Even income taxes. I can choose not to work or get paid cash to avoid paying taxes. Forcing me to purcahse health care so everyone else is equal is not a Consitutional Republic. I would respect someone more who just comes out and says it. Yes it is forced, but deal with it.
RightWingTV 1 year ago
@RightWingTV WOW! new interface!
Let's put it this way so you can respect me....It is forced because it makes sense. We have had too many people die for the sake of an ignorant choice based on choice. Biblically, we have made these choices starting with ADAM and an apple. The STUPID choice of NOT carrying insurance is when you do need it and WE ALL PAY MORE BECAUSE OF YOU!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
@downthedrain08, actually, we pay more because of the poor who are the most likely to be overweight, smokers and live unhealthy lifestyles.
And now we are being forced to pay for their disregard to their health.
wetweasel56 1 year ago
@wetweasel56 Respectfully, the POOR are ALREADY COVERED BY MEDICAID!
THE ELDERLY ARE COVERED BY MEDICARE!
Now, Sherlock......Who are the 47 Million that are NOT covered?
If you stand with the Teabaggers, you STAND FOR IDIOTS!
Research and convince me what I just said was a lie.....
downthedrain08 1 year ago
It is mandatory to have car insurance to pay for the OTHER PERSON'S CAR. In Texas, you can opt out of car insurance if you send 55k into a savings account at the capital or if you have over 13 cars it isn't required. In other words, if you show you can pay for the other person's car, you don't need insurance. So how does your analogy work?
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 TEXAS is a whole nother country!
You can go online and find a bunch of STUPID laws in Texas. How does it make sense? You cause a bad accident, do you run because you don''t have insurance and don't want your 55K drawn out?
OR what happens if BOTH of you don''t have insurance but the damage to property and health amount to MORE THAN $55K? You get out the hospital with 250K of bills-WHO PAYS? AMERICA DOES!
Insurance takes the RISK out of life!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
The 55k is your insurance. Insurance companies only cover up to a certain amount and anything past you are liable, correct? It's the same thing.
But you are responsible for paying for the other person's car. That is why when you have payments you get full coverage because the car you drive isn't yours.
It is to pay for the other person, not yourself.
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 Let me assume you are an educated person.....
The loop holes you site, are they worth it....just to say I have the freedom not to pay for insurance!
We need to protect the WORLD from those that are TOO smart by half. Sooner or later the risk chip gets cashed in and your bill will be 100K more than you can afford......We are civilized, we will not deny you access to care and AMERICA will pay your bill. THEN we will all wonder when sense and guilt kicks in.
downthedrain08 1 year ago
They aren't loopholes. That IS your insurance. Basically, you pay the insurance company to put up your 55k.
Now here is a novel idea, if you rack up 100k worth of hospital bills, shouldn't you be responsible for them? That is, instead of forcing others to pay for you, you find a way to pay for it?
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 "instead of forcing others to pay for you, you find a way to pay for it?" Sounds REAL novel until YOU ARE UP TO PAY FOR IT!
YOU would be on the Chapter 7 Line so fast!
Tell the same thing to the disabled- like Palin's kid or the Elderly. Do you think Palin's not getting Gov't services?
It also begs the question...have you ever volunteered in your life?..Have you EVER done anything for someone other than yourself? You can't be an adult, your too selfish!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
@downthedrain08
Apparently you know nothing of personal responsibility.
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 Personal responsibility would have got you to do some REAL research into Healthcare rather than simmering in ignorance!
Personal responsibility is about doing your part as a humanitarian rather than living a selfish and bitter existence!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
1) What the hell are you talking about my ilk?
2) Forcing generosity is theft.
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 Glen Beck Teabaggers flock to subscribe to your profile....So YOUR IKE is...YOUR ILK!
Being sensitive about your charity only shows me what ever LITTLE you give is filled with GUILT and REGRET! You probably think those pearly gates will open wider if you keep up the charade!
If you equate the worth of your generosity to stealing, then you are fooling yourself :(
Remember, you can't take it with you!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
Whoever subscribes to my channel is their own business and does not represent my views whatsoever.
Now, your apparent lack of understanding the difference between personal and social responsibility has led you to a very sad place. You feel entitled to other people's hard earned money. And to use your whole assumption of me being a religious man, here is one for you; if a man doesn't work, neither shall he eat.
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 Heh, Heh If your whole arguement about not supporting the Healthcare Reform Bill because "there's a man out there not working and will get some of my money"......YOU are the one that lacks understanding
You can't take it with you!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
Why do you feel entitled to others possessions?
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 Such a question to me wouldd never make sense since I pay the same taxes you do.
The question is why don't you want to share your humanity like the rest of us?
downthedrain08 1 year ago
Why will you not answer the question? Why keep avoiding it? It is a simple one.
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 How can I answer a question for which I am willing to sacrifice and pay for? If I said I want your money for myself, then I could understand!
I am the one willing to sacrifice for America.....YOU are the one that's not!.....Hmm, patriotism comes to mind :(
downthedrain08 1 year ago
So you feel that others are entitled to your possessions? That you have no choice in whether or not to give of yourself?
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 what are you talking about? Is this an indictment on taxes in general or health care. I don't use the freeways, are you suggesting that I can opt out, are commercial enterprises taking my money? Come on, they drive there damn trucks on it all day long for profit. That is big fat subsidy to the supply chain industry? Or is that the price I pay for living in society?
cdog4100 1 year ago
@cdog4100 Freeways are paid for by taxes on tires, oil, gas, etc. The more you use those things, the more taxes you pay. So the more you use public roads, the more you pay to have them. Is that an unfair policy? I claim it is fair.
The discussion DTD and I were having ended up with a kind of robin hood principle. He felt that he was entitled to other peoples possessions. I said that no, they can choose to give or not to give, outside of taxes. Without that choice, it is theft.
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 Only 70% is funded by fuel fees, the other 30% is a big fat kiss to motorist (general fund money shared amongst state), and the 70% still is not a use tax i.e., people with more fuel efficient cars use more road per dollar than people without.
I am fully supportive of a single payer system, because I think that the health of other people has an effect on all of us. And I don't need any altruism to get there. I think that it is logical to want to keep the working class healthy.
cdog4100 1 year ago
@cdog4100
Don't get me wrong, I support health care reform. But this is health insurance reform and forcing me to purchase insurance to provide coverage to others infringes upon my freedoms more than I am comfortable with. Note: it is the forcing that makes me unhappy. I'm fine with helping others out, I just want the choice. Without that choice, I don't agree.
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 True, mandating health insurance does infringe on freedoms. But there is always a balancing act between safety and freedom. Here, it is our economic freedom that is at stake. Because the American Hospitals are required to treat critical people, many people without insurance simply wait to the seek help because they can't afford the cheap preventative care at the beginning. (And the severity of the sickness forces there hand.)
cdog4100 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 But in waiting, they now will never pay for services rendered, forcing the rest of us to eat the insurance premiums anyway. (Hospitals merely raise there rates to pay for the write off). It may be that this benefit will outweigh the cost issue you are raising (subsidizes for poor people to get base level of care). We spend so much of our GDP on health care compared to other developed countries, and yet we don't aren't ranked as high in service. This might just be a way to fix it.
cdog4100 1 year ago
@cdog4100
And I understand the waiting. I also understand the average cost people pay for doctor's visits. Let's say insurance is 300 a month. You pay that monthly and then you have to go in, it pays 600 for a procedure, let's say your hand was sliced open and needs stitches. Well, if you put 200 a month aside for doctor's visits and didn't have insurance and you go in for your hand, the procedure costs 300 cash. Why? Doctors charge more for insurance payers. That is why prices are high.
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 That's just not true. I can tell you unequivocally that hospitals charge more for a single payers than insurance, because insurance companies have better negotiating power. Google "medical bill review" and look at the companies that make TONS of money working for insurance companies beating down hospitals on complex medical procedures. Single payers, however, don't realize that you can negotiate, and don't have time or the power to do it effectively.
cdog4100 1 year ago
@cdog4100
And I can tell you that it is true because that is exactly what happened to my aunt. In fact, you can go through hundreds of doctor's testimonies saying they charge the insurance people more because they don't get as much money from cash payers.
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 I don't need anecdotes, I consulted for the industry for 2 years. They raise the rates for individual cash payers because they are non negotiated rates. HMO/PPO rates are significantly lower. When the individual defaults, those losses are allocated across the board. Most insurance plans are based of of HCPCS base rates, and hospitals will over charge by billing duplicate codes. Without medical bill review (services only Insurances comps can afford) the individual gets hosed.
cdog4100 1 year ago
@cdog4100
I know the difference between mine and yours. In yours, the cash payer doesn't pay everything. In mine, they do. So if they default, it costs more. If they pay everything up front, it is cheaper. That sounds reasonable.
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 Ok, that's if they negotiate. Let's move on to the bigger point, because the solution to the problem that you have with insurance companies having to raise premiums to cover defaulters is fixed if everyone has insurance, because then NO ONE defaults. And, they are likely to seek care at an earlier stage (and thus cheaper care). This is exactly what, in theory at least, this health care law does. Will see how it works, but that is at least the economic theory behind it. QED.
cdog4100 1 year ago
@cdog4100
But what about forcing people to buy health insurance? There is no federal grounds for allowing that. State by state, I am unsure. But federally, congress was not given that power except in cases of interstate commerce. If you choose not to engage in commerce, how can it be regulated? I know that is a talking point, but I want to see an argument against it.
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 Well, as I understand the supreme courts interpretation of the interstate commerce clause, the Supreme court has interpreted that Fed Gov't can regulate any economic activity that, in aggregate, has an effect on interstate commerce. Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942) is Supreme court case that everyone cites. Its a big one, can probably find it on wikipedia, and it will likely upset your sense of Federalism. (It does for me.)
cdog4100 1 year ago
@freakawill2000 cont t. This is the same reasoning that allows feds regulate minimum wage, United States v. Darby (1941), Equal Employment act. See Heart of Atlanta Motel., Inc. v. United States (1964), and even illicit drugs (sorry no cite for that one). The constitutional challenge to the health care law is a long shot . . . but it is likely that Thomas will agree, because he is an originalist and likely hates the decisions I just cited. But they are law, and stare decisis has some pull.
cdog4100 1 year ago
@cdog4100
Thank you for finding that for me. You were right. It did upset that sense. That means Congress has the power to do practically whatever they want then. I don't think that is what was originally intended, but I can see the logic and it is the law. But under the same logic, Congress can regulate commerce inside foreign nations. That doesn't seem very "nice". Hmmm....
freakawill2000 1 year ago
@freakawill2000
Now today your ilk descend on the Capitol protesting. You displayed Boos and thumbs down as the Presidents motorcade passed with the cameras however, when members of the Black Caucus went by, your ilk yelled n-word 15x with racial ephitats. You thought no one was watching? Everyones suspicions have been confirmed! Watch for the video!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
Doesn't matter if it passes or not, it's unconstitutional...
it will be challenged in front of the supreme court immediatly and struck down. too funny...
1Guitarslayer 1 year ago
Oh Yeah, REAL TRANSPARENT OBAMA!
Why are you trying to push something through that over 85% of the country is dead against?
Could it be that it brings you more power? Cause it cannot be cause we want it!
To the dumbasses who voted this putz in, you're responsible!!!!!!
Democrats = Ignorant losers!
AngryStudioEngineer 1 year ago
Agry, Demos ARE DUMB.
I thought repubs were sheep, but these morons take the cake.
hope, change yes we can.
IMPEACH OBAMA!
ugha323a 1 year ago
Heh, Heh... Here's an idiot that calls ANGRY people dumb.....
yet in the end he's a DUMB person that's angry! LMAO
downthedrain08 1 year ago
I just hope one of this days, one of your family members gets cancer, and you'll get 20 grand bills every month, to keep them alive, to see why we need to fix the health care system
okgotocommerical 1 year ago
@okgotocommerical Iam a veteran and m VA doctor is from a different country,i cant understand her and i dont think she can understand me,where are all the doctors going.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
are you fuckin serious, who are this rednecks who is paying them to stand there and protest, everyone here wants healthcare, we dont want 6 thousand dollar ER bills , because we got sick, nooones going to pay this bills, i rather have my credit get fucked up, then ever pay a bill more then 2 grand, fuk this rednecks, healthcare for everyone
okgotocommerical 1 year ago
Judging by your obvious lack of charm or decorum, you are the only low class person here. And a stupid one at that.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@okgotocommerical Are you going to pay taxes to over your heath care instead of the working people.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
Bye Bye Dems...the gift you have given the Republican party is much appreciated.
justaquicklook 1 year ago
The First Black president that has to be fighing a war with in his own house .
Obama is now fighting three wars in his office. congress
justbun 1 year ago
The guy is a communist. He isn't even trying very hard to conceal that fact anymore. This will all come to no good soon. Soon as we are broke and have millions of unemployed people on the streets with no more government money coming in. Right after the November elections is when Obonehead calibrated the demise of extended benefits.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
Imagine the minority leader the only member.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
Dictators enact new laws against the will of the people all the time.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
USA has the BEST HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD ! !
CubanExile 1 year ago
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i wish those peoples were poor,they would understood,that healthcare is important
max12010 1 year ago
i wish those peoples were poor,they would understood healthcare is important.
max12010 1 year ago
They are not poor BECAUSE they realize health INSURANCE is important so they get of their butts and get a job so they can afford it. The real fix is to kick out all the bums that think plans like NAFTA that force US companies to compete with countries that have no environmental laws & slave labor or move their business there. The intentional de-industrialization of Amerika is why many can't afford health insurance. It is not my responsibility to pay for you, can't find it in the Constitution
EndTheFedReserve1913 1 year ago
A bill that is not legit,cannot be enforced,so how is that going to work?
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
Same way they enforce a federal INCOME tax on Americans' EARNINGS - fines, penalties, prison, and their favorite... SWAT Teams. Notice the "Health Care" Bill (LOL) has many of its penalties through the tax code. The IRS just ordered 60 new tactical shotguns with 14" barrels - law abiding Americans need a BATFE tax stamp to own a 14" barrel shotgun "legally"
EndTheFedReserve1913 1 year ago
Please cite your source....
downthedrain08 1 year ago
Back door Chicago politics...is what were getting. It doesn't matter what the majority of this country wants because we don't matter. It is sickening how the Democrats are moving forward. Just horrible!
jwv651 1 year ago
I will love it when this thing passes. I hope the Tea Baggers enjoy participating in our new system. :)
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
@takeahnase2009 The participating willnot be anything you can imagine.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
Ha ha ha ha ha! Enjoy your fake revolution. :)
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
@takeahnase2009 I hope you all wear Obama t-shirts.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
And I hope you continue tea bagging each other. :)
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
@takeahnase2009 You will see what getting teabaged means.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
You aren't going to do shit. Because you don't have the guts. You and your tea faggin' friends know there is a heavy boot waiting to crush your ass. So go into the woods with your drunk buddies and just continue playing army.
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
@takeahnase2009 Go stand behind your dictator.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
Yes I'll stand behind OUR president. He was voted in by the majority you know. That must pain you to know that. He was elected by a majority into office. People like you do not respect free elections. You just want it all your way. You are the dick-traitor. :)
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
@takeahnase2009 He was voted in by a bunch of morons.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
So you did vote for him then?
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
@takeahnase2009 Since we are at war i voted for the veteran hero.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
I always vote third party. But I enjoy seeing conservatives get upset. :) Hang in there. It is only a few more years and then I'm sure the people (morons as you call them) will elect another nazi like bush into office.
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
@takeahnase2009 You betcha.
OBAMASTINIAN 1 year ago
@takeahnase2009: "Another nazi like bush" LOL, we already got him, Obama-accelerates the illegal wars, expands drone strikes into Pakistan, prolonged detention, refuses more FOIA requests than Bush by tens of thousands, sells our grandchildren as indentured servants to banks, wants national DNA database, wants gun grabbing treaty signed by Clinton approved by senate, renewed (un)Patriot Act....The Dems & Repubs defecate on the Constitution with equal joy. Which 3rd party do you vote-Communists?
EndTheFedReserve1913 1 year ago
We had very poor choices last election. Look at the polls today , Glory Days are over for Obonehead. His approval rating is down around 44%. He is a communist and he will be stopped. We are taking America back.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
You aren't gonna do shit. People like you are just pretend revolutionaries. You don't have the guts to do nothing. So just sit down and shut up. Your side lost because you are all crazy religious nuts.
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
You are obviously quite young and quite stupid. There is nothing I can do about either condition.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@takeahnase2009: You think electronic voting machines = free elections, HA HA HA! How do you think Bush got Ohio? We should have paper audit trail and everyone should have their finger dyed when they vote. the credibility in the voting system has been gone for a long time.
Since you're an Obamatard you probably think men standing in front of voting centers with paramilitary gear and clubs = free elections, too since they were Obama supporters. The Left/ Right Paradigm has killed the Constitution
EndTheFedReserve1913 1 year ago
People like you have "old" thinking. Younger generations know you are full of shit and full of fear. Move aside dumbass. It is our turn to wreck the country, you already had your chance. When crazy people like you finally die off the world will be a whole lot better. Fear me. I am communist! ha ha ha ha
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
Too soon old, too late smart.
Fear me. I am a trained veteran of the US Navy. I was trained to kill communists during the Korean War. What training have you have to defend yourself?
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
When the commies come you will know peace old vet. You cannot kill a a consciousness. :) God bless.
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
takeahnase
salaam alaikum
When the commies come, we will kill them, just as we have been doing for 60 years. I am not the last of my line. I have sons grads of the USNA.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
Yeah typical conservative response. If you can't eat it or fuck it then kill it. You and your sons and your sons sons will be doing a lot of killing. And it will never be enough. And that this does not bother you tells me that you are empty and angry and doing the devil's work. Keep it up. We can tear this country apart. :)
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
This country is already in the process of a fundamental transformation , didn't you know? We are working now to reverse that. We are taking America back.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
Yeah you are taking it back. Back to the stoneage.
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
Food is a human right. There is too much profit in the food business.
Look at the corporations that grow most of the food in this country. Look at the corporations that own the trucks that transport this food. Look at the warehouse corporations, the food processing corporations, the corporations that package the food. Not to mention the advertising corporations and the corporations that sell the food. The retail corporations. There is too much profit made from providing his human right. Food.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
I grow my own food. :)
takeahnase2009 1 year ago
Physician, heal thyself.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE Yeah, come up with a stupid analogy that does not match!
Is the "food crisis" on anyone's radar screens? Of course not!
Has it been the talk of all modern Presidents even Nixon?
Has Congress been trying to pass "Food Reform" for the past 40 YEARS?
YOU are too smart by half aren't you? Please do us a favor and go back on that Teabaggin picket line AFTER registering for some classes!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
It's about the communist manifesto. You asked me what I was going to work on next, now that I feel HC will pass. Food, shelter, and clothing. All human rights.
Also , we must close down, nationalize corporations. They make profits. They steal from the proletariat. I enumerated a few in my food analogy. Do you disagree that corporations are the main culprit?
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE I knew sooner or later you would turn into some McCarthy whack job!
It's the 21st Century!. Where were you when Bush was wrecking the country!
Your arguments hold no water with an America trying to go towards a future!
Enjoy your better Healthcare! Don't choke!
downthedrain08 1 year ago
Of course you already knew that in addition to the 16 million employees from the insurance industry who will soon find themselves on unemployment compensation, the investors with 401K and various other retirement funds will be shifted, by mandate, to have their investments put into US T-bills. It will be a complete government take over by the end of this year.Chavez will sleep in the Lincoln bedroom by November.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
Food banks are out of food already. Food stamps are rationed. Yes, certain members of congress have tried to make food , shelter, and clothing a right for longer than 40 years. More like 110 years. Turn of the last century had communists in congress.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE I have TWO degrees above a college education....
Do you think I get what you are blathering?
Only the ignorant that pick their nose do!
Beyond that...Does your talk give ANSWERS to the future that America faces?
downthedrain08 1 year ago
hahaha
I know lots of dummies to went to college. When they got out, they were still dummies. It might be interesting to know which disciplines you have studied. My oldest son has you beat. My youngest son has it all over his big brother. Neither can touch me yet. I am much more diverse than opportunity will ever provide for them.
Part of what I say here is frivolous. Part is not.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
yes, I noticed the error in my syntax. dummies WHO went to college rather than dummies to went to college.
I actually may be suffering a little diminished capacity at times. Not sure.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE Yeah! Dementia NOS.....Heh, Heh
downthedrain08 1 year ago
@TAMARLANE "Part of what I say here is frivolous. Part is not"
Unfortunately, coming from YOU.......ALL of it is delusional. LOL
downthedrain08 1 year ago
i wonder if obama and his kids will use this health care??you bet your ass he nor any of the other liberal fucks who vote for it will.
tgrfan42069 1 year ago
I feel bad about America's faith & economy.... It's destoryed by aggressive people. You see madoff scammed millions of middle class families. they went bankrupted. tiger woods isn't really buddhist. He's using people for profit. Watching masters it will be like millions cheering pornstars more. And Crazy lady steals Oscar show. Fucked up.
We are living the most fucked up society.
screenwriterOscar 1 year ago
You people are stupid to let the middle man take your money and give you nothing in return! Why on earth would you want to give the insurance middle man 1 TRILLION a year they do not even earn, while they deny you coverage. if they haven't denied you coverage yet, don't worry they will and you will be stuck.
What do Insurance co do for you that you would give them money for nothing. They have denied every claim I ever made with them, I say screw them, I wont ever give then con men a cent!
stophypocrisy 1 year ago
This is the biggest legislation in 40 years. When such a huge bill is not backed by the majority of the people and no one from on party voted for it and the other party had to buy Votes. It should be put on the shelf. It is a bad bill that will give Government massive power over healthcare. It has unconstitutional mandates. It creates 159 new government agencies and programs, it give ins companies billions, it raises 500 billion it new taxes, it cuts medicare payment that will lead to rationing.
quizerry 1 year ago
@quizerry: Don't forget that we have to pay for it for years before any of the bennies kick in for real. It is the same thing as Bush's No Child Left Behind. If you know how that really works, you would know that it is a stealth means by which feds can take over school districts. This fake health bill just gives more power to the feds too. The banking/military complex has overthrown our government. The politicians are traitors. Any that signed Patriot Act or this are traitors.
EndTheFedReserve1913 1 year ago
I wonder if those two old people feel like giving up their Govt. healthcare? Obama should come out there and ask them. Or maybe just take it away and give it to someone that wants it.
HemiHead66 1 year ago
BOOOO!
Bad Obama Out Of Office!
artformeandyou 1 year ago
impeach the tyrant!!!!!!!
patriotfreedomfigher 1 year ago
Good God man - get a grip. You people are acting like it's the end of the freaking world. I've never known anyone looking to give more of their hard earned cash to some greedy-ass insurance company that don't pay-off worth a shit when you need them. What is this really about - not wanting to get healthcare? Yur not sick so you don't want it? And what happens if something happens? When Obama ran for Prez he was against mandatory coverage. But the covered are getting stuck with everybody's bill.
HemiHead66 1 year ago
@HemiHead66 if you actually read the health care documents, you will discover that what this really does is raise taxes, lowers benifits from already existing insuence plans. while your at it look up death pannals and the possibility of being imprisoned for 5 years for not having insurence or fines. also look up how universal heathcare works in other countrys, i dont think i would want to wait 18 months for a heart problem to be fixed. 70% dont want this to pass, i think the why is clear
patriotfreedomfigher 1 year ago
@patriotfreedomfigher Dude while your at it finish that GED you always wanted!
benifits=Benefits
insuence=Insurance
death pannals= Death Panels
insurence=Insurance (LOL)
No caps after periods? At least you're not like Palin who doesn't use periods!
You are not the sharpest knife in the Teabag drawer, are you?
downthedrain08 1 year ago
Food is a human right. There is too much profit made in the food business. We must nationalize the food industry. Look at all the evil corporations making a profit from our food. Farming corporations, trucks and trains owned by big corporations. Look at the greedy corporations that profit from warehousing this food, the ones who profit from processing this food.. The evil corporations that package and advertise and sell in these filthy corporate food stores. Down with corporate profit on food.
TAMARLANE 1 year ago
@downthedrain08 i state that because im not a tea bagger, im way different
patriotfreedomfigher 1 year ago
@patriotfreedomfigher "i state that because im not a tea bagger, im way different"
Come to think of it.....You are different.....Your grammar and spelling is WORSE! LOL
Seriously, if you spewed the current GOP talking points I would have respected you more....BUT old stuff such as Death Panels? Come-on!
Only Palin types that palm read can twist HOSPICE choices that the Gov't & Private Ins Co. give to Death Panels. GO RESEARCH!
downthedrain08 1 year ago