My Grandmother Jovanka Misic on that list, i don't even know what to comment regarding all of this, just that my head hurts now.
All i know is that if Turks didn't exist in the first place, these damn Muslims wouldn't, and Croats and us might have been in a peaceful coexistence since the natural borders would have been in place and none of the Turkish meddling and fuckage produced. And Albanians would have remained catholic/orthodox and not this shit today. Peace could have been real. f history
@srbinSS lol why is everything about Turkey with you Serbs....Serbs keep babbling the same thing over and over again..WWII and Ottoma Empire...It got you nowhere!
@srbinSS Serbs are paying for it dearly..They face charges on crimes against humanity!!! Keep talking Serb but it wont changing anything no matter what you say!
@srbinSS istina, i jebem jim srebrenicu platili smo dug...and we woudlnt even do that if they didnt start killing first, Mladič lost all his family in Garavice, as did i, where there were a lot more people killed than in srebrenica, prodane duše sami su jih prodali da je se je lahko amerika vmešala... and the worst part is that they have succeded in painting a picture of them being the martyrs to the world trough media...
This is bullshit!!! You are showing me a list of people who were supposedly killed by no solid evidence to support it...Do you know how easy it is to create such a list....just name a few thousand names and thats it....How stupid do you Serbs think the people are!!!
@Sonjayu lol I should show respect to whom??? Serbs!! Serbs seek respect from people but fail to show it themselves towards non-Serbs in former yugoslavia..So you can go and shove your head down the toliet!
Well, Kathey, honey, "creatures" like you are the reason why YU fell apart. "My" victims, "your" victims, "Derp's victims". You are all incapable to use your pretty heads for anything else than making hairstyles. You all depend on TV and tales of politicians who say how poor you are and how they will protect you. You became their slaves. And what happens?? While you spit on each other's face, everyone else laughs at your stupidity....
@Sonjayu Creatures like me...lol why because i am one of those who refused to be controlled by Serbia and Belgrade...All the 5 republic including kosovo did the right thing when they refused to be controlled by Belgrade and Serbia and they should continue doing so....
...You made a bunch of tiny weak states hostile to each other, all with bad systems and politicians who maintain themselves with nothing but fairytales. Meanwhile, the people live worse and worse each day, there is no job, no profit, nothing, but you still believe how you are becoming some great modern "Europeans" and how you are "advancing", or you believe how someone cares about you and your suffering...
@Sonjayu Right and Milosevic's way is the only thing that could have saved Yugoslavia..When are you Serbs going to get it through your head..it was you Serbs who elected Milosevic not other people...We are better of without Serbia or Serbs...
... Some of you really deserve what is going on. You deserve to suffer and starve because you WANTED so and you GOT it. But some of us are not pathetic puppets like you and we don't deserve to be cooked in the same cauldron with you.
There is a reason why Serbian students were supported and visited by Croatian ones, not to spread some lefty ideas or who knows what, but because on this wild Balkans there are still people capable of actual THINKING...
@Sonjayu And what gives the Serbs the right to decide who deserves to suffer and who doesnt....I suppose according to you everyone deserved to suffer but not the Serbs..You are right people are still able to think so thats why they are putting every single Serbian war criminal behind bars..Serb lies is not going to fool anyone...
And that's why the video is still up. Because it should show how every "side" failed terribly at this war and that there should be no sides. But if you people still want to be one-sided, narrow-minded imbeciles, you can find some cave and slaughter each other, you would make everything easier for all of us. Less people require less funding and less resources, not to mention the ecological side of it. 7 billion is too much for a planet, someone should really just disappear.
ma nemoj srat.. trebala je cijela srbija da pogine u srebernici... hajte sad majku vam jebem. sta cekate. mi smo spremni kao nikad prije.. bjeziii sineeeee etooo muslimanaaaaaa juhuuuuuuuuuuu hahhahaha
SREBRENICA WAS A REVENGE FOR 3000 MURDERED SERBS AROUND SREBRENICA....REVENGE...NASER ORIC AND HIS MUHAJEDEEN'S HAVE BEEN ATTACKING SERB IN THEIR VILLAGES AROUND SREBRENICA FOR OVER 1 YEAR....NASER HAS KILLED OVER 3000 SERBS...WHERE IS JUSTICE...JUSTICE IS CRYING FOR 3000 KILLED SERBS...!!!! RATKO MLADIC HAS SENT OLD MUSLIMS AND THEIR KIDS OUT OF SREBRENICA...ON THE AIRCONDITIONED BUS...IMAGINE THAT...YOU CAN WATCH IT ON YOUTUBE....IS THAT AN ACTION OF COLD BLOODED MURDERER??? THAT HEISMADETOBE?
Im proud bosnian. Republika Srpska is entity who is charged for ethnic cleaning, not Federation of Bosnia. Our liberation getting messed up with fuckin mujahedins from Sudan who passed HALF EUROPE FULL ARMED and killed everyone who wasn't muslim. They werent on our command, they werent army just random people. People from Serbia joined army, they tried to do ethnic cleaning, not us.
Yes, there were Muslim victims and yes, they were many. That doesn't "justify" the other side of the story. Don't forget that every story has more than one side. We are all humans and thus incapable of objectivity. You might call me subjective, but if my subjectivity is backed by arguments, you can't defy it.
Basically, I agree, everyone's got the right to his or her own opinion, but... empirical observation of many situations pretty much raises a question.... is it always like that?
At the end of the day, Mr. Voltaire said "Opinions have caused more ills than the plague or earthquakes on this little globe of ours" and to a point.... I can't deny that...
Many of the 'facts' about Yugoslav wars are basically just opinions and 'estimations'.
Only around 2500 bodies were found within the city, the number was inflated to 10,000 based on an estimate (guess)
The Bosnian Federal Commission of Missing Persons released a list that includes both killed and missing, which is around 8000 people (6000 missing, 2000 dead)
Few of the bodies at Srebrenica were identified, so the total could be a mix of ethnicities, not exclusively Muslim as ICTY claims
In addition, those 2000 labeled "dead" are mostly battle dead (not executions)
@Sonjayu this here (pallex97) is a perfect example of stupidity in the human race, the pure hatred for people they do not even know, how can one even muster up hatred for someone they have never met? Because of stupidity? Maybe partly, but there has to be more, death is a serious thing, and people like pallex97 who take death so lightly is why there IS so m uch death in the world. a sad reality. Thanks for the video.
I either remember some users or randomly go over comments and find that 2 years ago some were telling me about 300,000 dead particular Muslim civilians, about a year ago, let's say they were giving a number of 200,000(+), again only Muslims.
Now, they have somehow accepted the figures around 97,000+ (all included).
Seriously, people, what do you want, another war?
I feel sorry for BiH citizens with better things to do than spamming YouTube.
@KLADUSCAN5k A i kao da si napisao neku zabranjunu istinu pa mi ne zelimo da je gledamo... Pa je kao brisemo. Ti pises gluposti mali, i ako je to neko i uradio, tj. izbrisao tvoj komentar, onda je to uradio da drugi ne gledaju tvoja sranja, koja si izasrao. Znas, potice na nervozu i na ne potrebnu mrznju, kada tako pises. Ali kad bi ti to vec znao, daleko bi dogurao.
According to the Research and Documentation Centre at least 97,000 + were 'directly' killed. Of the civilian deaths the vast majority were Bosniaks at 83% and only 10% were Serbs. Most Serb deaths were military maybe that tells you something ha. Your BS propaganda trying to convince people that it was a civil war and that all sides were equally guilty won't work. There was an aggressor and there was a defender. Very simple.
The aggressor (Serbs) had the motive and planning of condemning anything to do with the Muslims or Bosniaks to annihilation (for eg. Lives, Mosques, Honour etc) while the Bosnian army had only one motive in mind which was to defend Bosnia and it's citizens without stooping down to the level of it's attackers. Now any fair-minded person would know who is guilty and responsible for causing this terrible event and suffering in history.
i molim te don't go deleting my comments and blocking me just as many of the other Serbo-Fascists have done in the past when they weren't able to hack the truth.
@KLADUSCAN5k Posto me mrzi pisati vise na engleskom... Kome ti da smo mi fasisti? Ako si hrvat... Imao si fasisticku drzavu da znas! A ako si musliman, imao si muslimane koji su radili za naciste i klali srbe a mozda i druge... Izvini mladicu, pazi ti kome kazes da si fasist. JEBOTE IDI PROCITAJ MALO VISE KNJIGA OD JEDNE ILI JEDNOG PROPAGANDNOG MATERIJALA. Pa ti nisi zdrav za okolinu, a da ne pricam sto sebi skodis.
@KLADUSCAN5k The "bosniaks" couldn't do more than that, however, today you can see their REAL motives! They want not only BIH wit pure muslims, but Serbia too. The increasing number of vehabias and muslim-terrorist is today a fact, and their only motive is to kill people who are not like them. Serb cannot be aggresors, cause the lived there longer than "muslims"... SO ANY FAIR-MINDED PERSON WOULD KNOW WHAT IS FAIR, and that you are not fair. objasnio
In politics - the motive of defender and a hero doesn't exist.
The reality doesn't know good and evil, the Universe is indifferent, with no heaven or hell.
Each one struggles with what he has got.
For example - the card you play is victimization because you have seen it will pass and that's OK, that's your way of achieving your national and/or nationalistic interests and I'm fine with that, but please, pass that on someone who cares about your opinion.
To add that it has suffered through that war thanks to those like you - narrow-minded, selfish and arrogant (not to mention pathetic, what I hate the most is messing pathetic into politics, leave that to your girlfriend).
@KLADUSCAN5k WTF??? According to who? I heard that approximatively, 75000 were serb casulties, 50000 muslim and 25 croatian... And that is not only version of the this story... SO Why should i believe you? You have big issues, or you are just evil.
According to that research of yours 97,000 were simply KILLED, among around 60 to 65% MUSLIMS (your persistent use of the word 'Bosniak' speaks much about your ultra(pseudo)nationalism), others were Serbs and Croats, both with combat deaths and civilian casualties. There are, however, certain issues with determining the exact percentage of civilians, therefore, you cannot encounter precise data.
If one person (Naser Oric) kills 30 uniformed Serbs or someone in his brigade is the same as when you motherfuckers Serbs kill 8 500 children and men that surrendered to you.
I swear by Almigthy I WILL DRINK YOUR BLOOD AND EAT YOUR FLESH MOTHERFUCKERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@buttlamo Not really you killed 100,000 inecint women,children and men we killed 3000 soilders not even close we never killed citezins unlike you fuckers
Fucking war all sides sufferd what i cant understand is that all western media is only against serbs. Fuck them all. Hopefully there wont be a war again.
I think the media is unfairly biased against Serbs. Certainly they were no saints, nor were Croats or Muslims. What makes me realy sick is ho the media portrays Muslims as victims. I believe that Sreb was exaggerated. Muslims were just as bad as Serbs and Croats. They were all equALLY DIABOLICAL. Don't know why these people got along for so long and they it just collapsed and they started killing each other. Makes no sense
Serbs had a terrible public relations team with Arkan, Ceselj, Milosevic, Karadzic. IF Tudjman would have ensured equal rights for the Serbs in Croatia, perhaps war could have been averted in Croatia. Maybe not. The fact is that some people wanted war, they didn't want to explore a peaceful option.
Tudjman helped create an indepedent Croat state, but his policies created many, many problems for the fledgling country
Arkan - paramilitary leader, paramilitary formations were very nasty, in fact, far more crimes were committed by paramilitaries (unofficial) than regular army.
Šešelj - his points weren't extermination or whatever, I don't agree with him at all means but he had some good points.
Milošević... a puppet.
It is true, they had terrible attitude at the times when carefulness was the most needed.
I agree with you, with better leadership, we could have used some chances and that way...
Who was Milosevic a puppet to? The Russians? Wasn't he the grand instigator of most of the problems?
In a way I don't blame Milosevic. The Slovenes wanted an indepedent Slovenia, he let it go. The Croats wanted an indepedent Croatia, he was prepared to let it go, but he wanted to protect Serb minorities in the country. Only natural to protect one's own.
In ways yes, but Šešelj was also an educated politician.
Whose puppet he was... a bit hard to explain, he was actually influenced by other people (not necessarily politicians, he was from my town, local folks know some stories better than me), he himself didn't really know what much to do, he supported the wrong side in Russia (some his Communists) which, after the changes, left him without Russian support (and even got some against himself).
The real culprit where Karadzic and Izetbegovic. Alija wanted a purely Muslim state. He wanted Sharia law, he wanted to impose Islam on everyone, he was a radical, not a protector of his people. If I was a Serb in Bosnia I would be scared of his rhetoric. Problem with Karadzic is he threatens Muslims with extinction. WYF? If I was a muslim i would be scared of this rhetoric. Both were War Pigs. Evil minds that plot destruction - makes me sad.
He didn't mean to actually extinct them, but he was threatening them because he wanted them defeated, surrendered and, exactly, Muslims were naturally scared.
He did have some cooperation with Fikret Abdić and there could have been some chance, but, his rhetorics "If you don't [...] you shall disappear", that's not the way to treat others or get them on your side, as well as Alija's "Islamic declaration" was.
If someone threatened me with "extinction" and had the means to make me "extinct" I wouldn't take that as an idle threat. I would look for allies and find ways to defend myself.
But what compelled him to say this? Islamic Extremism? It is easy to blame one person or group, as the media does to the Serbs, but it is not so simple It is nice to chat with someone who can see that. Most people who are Croats are just pumping Croat propaganda, Serbs their own propaganda, and Muslims ect
We have different points of views, but I think everybody has the right to express and explain own opinion, OK, Croats and Muslims can leave their arguments, but so do the Serbs.
Of course, they couldn't "look in the crystal ball" whether he is really going to do that or is scaring them and makes a selection of victims.
Any excuse is not applicable for civilians, but, exactly, things are just TOO COMPLICATED.
I think the source of the problem is simpler than one thinks. One word: communism. Communism destroys people's will to work and thrive, it takes away the competitive spirit. People feel they are not adequately compensated for their hard work. They blame the wrong source for their problems. I didn't make a lot of money this year. It is those damn Mulsims, or Croats or Serbs.
Yugoslavia was communist, half the people worked in Germany, Italy or Canada. Why? Communism fails it's people
Well, you had mentioned the problem, but in a different shape.
Yugoslavia was not like, for example, USSR, here, people were able to earn good money, but they were limited by the Party (not to mention the rip off the property of political opponents), but, they were able to go ANYWHERE (unlike the rest of Europe and wider) and stay as much as they wanted, so, they stayed where they liked more, exactly the thing about blaming the other was what Tito was preventing in TOTALLY wrong way...
... He was preaching Yugoslav identity over any other, any action not liked by The Party was treated as "spread of ethnic and religious hatred" (playing in public at Julian New year, mentioning Jesus in a song etc).
When (in already bad times) national awakening begun, it turned into a catastrophe. Why? People felt oppressed.
There were some serious negotiations about partitioning Bosnia into 3 parts (Croatia and Serbia to take their and Muslims to get own state), might not seem too right, but could have worked and victims would be much less, war would end earlier, no Srebrenica etc.
In Bosnia, the biggest mistake was made by the International community which, instead of saving almost a million people in Rwanda, was too busy not allowing solution (partly) acceptable for all sides and creating just more pain.
Whether Herzegovina goes to Croatia, is irrelevant. People need to learn to get along. Because as you know there are Croat villages in the middle of Muslim areas and vice versa. Nobody can be second class citizens, and you can't have some Muslim theocracy because that creates huge problems for non-Muslims. Bottom line is, Bosnia is Europe not central Asia. Europe is part of the civilized world, not darkest Africa. It is time people acted the part.
The same thing is about the Serbs, you, I know that is not the best idea, but is surely better than what happened, the closest solution was Yugoslavia itself, but it was hardly maintainable after the Cold War.
Of course Muslim theocracy is unacceptable, that's why I mentioned Fikret (mostly non-religious), but, if Muslims would disrespect Serb and Croat population and impose Islamism, we could use that against them (not in murderous sense) even though the IC was against us.
My fear is that ultimate aim of muslims is world domination. They might try to act accepting of different religions, but that is rouse. They seek to conquer the world and I will not be conquered.
Many tried to make World domination but nobody ever managed it, they've just pointlessly shred rivers and rivers of blood of their own and other peoples. If Muslims try something, the same will be about them.
Bosnia is a lovely country with good people, Serb, Muslims and Croats alike. Most people want good jobs, good schools for their kids, freedom of worship and peace. Bosnia needs leader who will work to creat that for all Bosnians, regardless of their religion. That is not unrealistic - but if sociopaths get into power, it will disintergrate.
happens in most civilized countries. I think communism is to blame for a lot of problems in FY. No jobs, everybody was a gastarbeiter for a while. No jobs, no wealth. No wealth, frustration, people blame the wrong source of the problem.
Actually, it was so after Tito's death, because SFRY was formed as his dictatorship and couldn't survive without him, then economy crumbled, people started loosing their jobs, Europe and treatment of YU was changing which made Slovenia (all-time money-makers) cede, but, Slovenia itself had the right and was not even really the first to try secession, Albanians on Kosovo did in 1990, but it just wouldn't be natural for Kosovo (the poorest, most backwards) to separate first.
Yes, maybe nobody sees it as a good solution, but I think the Serbs and Croats should have accepted the plan Z4, that wouldn't give the Serbs Independent Kraina, but would secure them autonomy and, probably, save them from the horrors of 1995.
Some people won't agree with me, but, in this case, we would gain more than we have now.
Yes, everyone stands up for own people, Croats, Muslims, Slovenes, only our government is a fucked up puppet now that thinks flattering will help!
The problem you have is that Croats in the Krajina, wouldn't live under Serbian control, because Croats believed they were second class citizens in Yugoslavia.
But if Krajina was autonomous, Croatian state would still have influence on them, it was composed of municipalities with Serbian majority. In Serbia live many, many minority groups, some of them aren't even "officialized", here, by law, politicians can't say "Serbs" when talking about the people living here but "citizens of Serbia", Serbs are 66,5% in Serbia (incl. Kosovo) and significant population in BiH and Montenegro.
Truth, we (ex-YUs) have a big problem with it, but we aren't even guilty. If you had noticed, many foreigners for Muslims use the word "Bosnians", which already looks discriminating against other Bosnians, creating the feeling as if they don't belong there, American "nation=state" doesn't function on the Balkans.
BTW, no matter how much someone would even like, ethnic purity here is impossible, the Balkans had been historically distinctly populated since ever.
That is a lie. These are the names of Chetniks compiled by Milivoje Ivanisevic, they died on Sarajevo front and were later moved to Bratunac military cemetery.
Muslims in Bosnia are a little different, it is Saudi's Yemini's and other Muslims that are problems. Izetbegovic was a nut, but most of the people their have a moderate tone to Islam. Most of the muslims in Bosnia eat pork and drink beer, not exactly hard core.
Yes, but it seems impossible because, no matter who that leader is, he has to be from one of these groups, which would make the other two unsatisfied and (taught by bitter experience) maybe even sacred, because nobody trusts the promises of "rights, peace and stability".
I know them and I know what you mean, but keep in mind, Bosnia is such a lovely ground for THESE Muslims to at least try spreading their influence (sometimes works, Alija is the example).
I know that, madness about religion had been creating a lot of mess in the World for ages. Religion is undeniable part of human lives and cultures, religious warfare is unacceptable for both.
Not only Bosnia, in the modern world, words such as "democracy, rights, freedom" have been so misused by s-called "ideologists" that regular people can hardly believe in them anymore, people are desperate for changes.
Personally, I support neither full Communism nor Capitalism.
But i don't know wheather you're disinformed or too young to know the truth, Serbian people commited Genocide against bosnian-moslems in the early 90's up until the late 90's. where they murdered and raped bosnian woman and children FIRST ok, here is the point "FIRST" Serbs did this FIRST, they have started the Civil War, the Moslems just tried to protect themselved and of course you gotta have a bunch of wackjobs who gonna kill serbian children and woman also.
Are you an idiot or something? Tito screwed everything up by uniting three different ethnic groups who had no wish of being united in a communist state. You Croats never wanted to live in the same country as Serbs. If Germany had won WW2, Croatia would have been an ethnically pure state thanks to the Ustashe. Maybe you should take your own advice and stop listening to Croatian/Muslim propaganda and actually start thinking with your brain, that is if you have one.
... the total collapse in Yugoslavia, about the Serbs being "outvoted" by Muslims and Croats which wasn't meant to be even possible.
You should also read what Alija wanted.
Unlike yourself, I admit, Serbs were not innocent, Serbs committed things they should NEVER HAD DONE, especially concerning some periods of Serbian history, but:
Just one more thing, The "guilty" and "innocent" is relative, just like the rest, not all Serbs are innocent, not all Serbs are guilty, not all Muslims are innocent, not all Muslims are guilty, the same about Croats.
I cannot say I like these peoples, but some things are just natural.
Also, concerning all that happened and all the groups who were involved, all 3 are in ways innocent victims of the occasions.
Muslim and Croatian begining a war in Bosnia ! Muslims kill over 3000 Serb Civilians Children Women and Older!!! Of this list No. 3101 Trimanovic (petko) Rade he was Direktor of the School in Krnici Village near Srebrenica and he was killed from Naser Oric 05.07.1992 !!! Rade R.I.P. my Friend
the serbs started the war you dumb chetnik cunt. and now your pitiful country is in ruins because of that. i'm actually sad for the rest of the population that actually got BRAINS.
Bosnian ''handzar'' murdered thousands of serbs during the 40-ies,now the serbs murdered thousands of bosnians back during the 90-ies.Seems such a sad thing,but thats how the law of karma works,its universal.Whatever u sow u reap later.
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So its time for the Bosnian "handzar", in the future it will be "mudzos" to sweep through the serbs... but we will wait for little bit more so its not right away....
but don't you see all the videos on youtube over srebrenica?? a think this is enaugh...and when you don't want believe the true, than you have maybe a problem! But. forget it! a also know, that there were also many crimes on serbs! (naser oric ...) that is not ok too.... but, we ''balkanian''are stupid people! look at us know? people are poor, haven't work, nothing!
and what are we doing??we are talking about the war! wh should talk over the future, and learn to live TOGETHER!! ...
I'm sorry about your grandfather and, in case he wasn't any sort of a militant, than I can say - it wasn't done in my name, BUT, as long as some stuff don't get clear, all those stories won't stuff and for the reason why, read my description, here on this video, before starting to defend yourself or attack someone.
you should go to srebrenica!! maybe it can change something in you!!
i lived near srebrenica! i saw much things...and just because of this, i do not need any statistiks...not important, if they are true or not!
now i know, what people are possible to do! where is my grandfather?? because you said, ''where are the bodys of 3500 people'' ?? where is the body from my g.father?? there was crime on both sides...from one side more...! and we all know which side i mean!sorry for my bad english
Look, I never, EVER said Srebrenica didn't happen. YES, it did, BUT, if you can't even deal with yourselves when it comes to numbers and the term you'll use for the crime, don't push it to us like that.
Who is neutral?
I don't see anybody neutral.
You are not neutral.
There was about 100,000 people on all THREE sides, I DON'T CARE what lies Richy Holbrooke had to spread, statistics and forensics aren't his job anyway, he is not competent to be a source.
I find it hard to believe that the evil Serbian who rape and murber many thousand of muslim women is compliant about afew of they rapist and killer being kill.
And yes of course,Serbs always blame everyone else!!!
KatheyAA 2 weeks ago
3287 Dead serbs can suck my dick.
UCK/ SHQIPERIA ETNIKE/ KOSOVA TOKË SHQIPTARE!!
LANO500 2 weeks ago
My Grandmother Jovanka Misic on that list, i don't even know what to comment regarding all of this, just that my head hurts now.
All i know is that if Turks didn't exist in the first place, these damn Muslims wouldn't, and Croats and us might have been in a peaceful coexistence since the natural borders would have been in place and none of the Turkish meddling and fuckage produced. And Albanians would have remained catholic/orthodox and not this shit today. Peace could have been real. f history
BrixShitter 2 months ago
@BrixShitter
There may be another way, not everyone on our lands is a stupid savage murderer, we need to realise that and look for unity with normal people.
Sonjayu 2 months ago
DespotStefanVisoki I cant read your dirty serbian langague!!! I am not educated in chetnik filth serbian sh*t!
KatheyAA 2 months ago
@KatheyAA jebo ti ja mater ovo sigurno razumes kurvo turska ... vi ste prljavstina koju cemo jednog dana da pocistimo
srbinSS 1 month ago
@srbinSS lol why is everything about Turkey with you Serbs....Serbs keep babbling the same thing over and over again..WWII and Ottoma Empire...It got you nowhere!
KatheyAA 1 month ago
@KatheyAA
Likewise with you, just the story has different characters and settings. See the problem now?
Sonjayu 2 weeks ago
@Sonjayu I see the problem now!! Everyone lies and is anti-Serb but only the Serbs know the 'real' truth! Everyone else in the world is clueless!!
KatheyAA 2 weeks ago
Like I always said..Serbs are menatlly retarded so they make up any story as they go...Hoping someone will believe their lies....
KatheyAA 2 months ago
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DespotStefanVisoki 2 months ago in playlist Ostalo
@KatheyAA bog zna i vidi a i vi cete platiti na kraju za vase jando postojanje na ovoj zemlji
srbinSS 1 month ago
@srbinSS Serbs are paying for it dearly..They face charges on crimes against humanity!!! Keep talking Serb but it wont changing anything no matter what you say!
KatheyAA 1 month ago
@srbinSS istina, i jebem jim srebrenicu platili smo dug...and we woudlnt even do that if they didnt start killing first, Mladič lost all his family in Garavice, as did i, where there were a lot more people killed than in srebrenica, prodane duše sami su jih prodali da je se je lahko amerika vmešala... and the worst part is that they have succeded in painting a picture of them being the martyrs to the world trough media...
Trixianah 2 weeks ago
u srebrenici je vise ubijeno srba nego muslimana. Brojka od 8000 hiljada ubijenih muslimana je cista izmisljotina.
Jebesevropu 2 months ago
This is bullshit!!! You are showing me a list of people who were supposedly killed by no solid evidence to support it...Do you know how easy it is to create such a list....just name a few thousand names and thats it....How stupid do you Serbs think the people are!!!
KatheyAA 5 months ago
@KatheyAA
Then it applies for your lists, too. Learn to respect other people for once.
Sonjayu 3 months ago
@Sonjayu lol I should show respect to whom??? Serbs!! Serbs seek respect from people but fail to show it themselves towards non-Serbs in former yugoslavia..So you can go and shove your head down the toliet!
KatheyAA 3 months ago
@KatheyAA
Yep, I'm totally impressed! No, seriously, I am!
Sonjayu 3 months ago
@Sonjayu You should be Serb!!! Someone has to teach the mentally retarded Serbs!!!
KatheyAA 3 months ago
@KatheyAA
And you are an Internet tutor?
Well, Kathey, honey, "creatures" like you are the reason why YU fell apart. "My" victims, "your" victims, "Derp's victims". You are all incapable to use your pretty heads for anything else than making hairstyles. You all depend on TV and tales of politicians who say how poor you are and how they will protect you. You became their slaves. And what happens?? While you spit on each other's face, everyone else laughs at your stupidity....
Sonjayu 2 months ago
@Sonjayu Creatures like me...lol why because i am one of those who refused to be controlled by Serbia and Belgrade...All the 5 republic including kosovo did the right thing when they refused to be controlled by Belgrade and Serbia and they should continue doing so....
KatheyAA 2 months ago
@KatheyAA
...You made a bunch of tiny weak states hostile to each other, all with bad systems and politicians who maintain themselves with nothing but fairytales. Meanwhile, the people live worse and worse each day, there is no job, no profit, nothing, but you still believe how you are becoming some great modern "Europeans" and how you are "advancing", or you believe how someone cares about you and your suffering...
Sonjayu 2 months ago
@Sonjayu Right and Milosevic's way is the only thing that could have saved Yugoslavia..When are you Serbs going to get it through your head..it was you Serbs who elected Milosevic not other people...We are better of without Serbia or Serbs...
KatheyAA 2 months ago
@KatheyAA
... Some of you really deserve what is going on. You deserve to suffer and starve because you WANTED so and you GOT it. But some of us are not pathetic puppets like you and we don't deserve to be cooked in the same cauldron with you.
There is a reason why Serbian students were supported and visited by Croatian ones, not to spread some lefty ideas or who knows what, but because on this wild Balkans there are still people capable of actual THINKING...
Sonjayu 2 months ago
@Sonjayu And what gives the Serbs the right to decide who deserves to suffer and who doesnt....I suppose according to you everyone deserved to suffer but not the Serbs..You are right people are still able to think so thats why they are putting every single Serbian war criminal behind bars..Serb lies is not going to fool anyone...
KatheyAA 2 months ago
@KatheyAA
And that's why the video is still up. Because it should show how every "side" failed terribly at this war and that there should be no sides. But if you people still want to be one-sided, narrow-minded imbeciles, you can find some cave and slaughter each other, you would make everything easier for all of us. Less people require less funding and less resources, not to mention the ecological side of it. 7 billion is too much for a planet, someone should really just disappear.
Sonjayu 2 months ago
@KatheyAA
Keep going!
Sonjayu 2 months ago
ma nemoj srat.. trebala je cijela srbija da pogine u srebernici... hajte sad majku vam jebem. sta cekate. mi smo spremni kao nikad prije.. bjeziii sineeeee etooo muslimanaaaaaa juhuuuuuuuuuuu hahhahaha
balkansbest314 6 months ago
@balkansbest314
Uuu, i sad si ti kao faca? Mnogo mudre reči zboriš, nema šta, pravi intelektualac.
Ovo je samo još jedan od mnogih razloga zašto treba iskoreniti religiju.
Sonjayu 6 months ago
SREBRENICA WAS A REVENGE FOR 3000 MURDERED SERBS AROUND SREBRENICA....REVENGE...NASER ORIC AND HIS MUHAJEDEEN'S HAVE BEEN ATTACKING SERB IN THEIR VILLAGES AROUND SREBRENICA FOR OVER 1 YEAR....NASER HAS KILLED OVER 3000 SERBS...WHERE IS JUSTICE...JUSTICE IS CRYING FOR 3000 KILLED SERBS...!!!! RATKO MLADIC HAS SENT OLD MUSLIMS AND THEIR KIDS OUT OF SREBRENICA...ON THE AIRCONDITIONED BUS...IMAGINE THAT...YOU CAN WATCH IT ON YOUTUBE....IS THAT AN ACTION OF COLD BLOODED MURDERER??? THAT HEISMADETOBE?
WORLDWARIIIVERYSOON 8 months ago
@WORLDWARIIIVERYSOON ne seri
crowsludge 5 months ago
Naser Oric is in prizon now ??who knows?
brandon41085 9 months ago
@brandon41085 he is free.
Scholli1972 8 months ago
Im proud bosnian. Republika Srpska is entity who is charged for ethnic cleaning, not Federation of Bosnia. Our liberation getting messed up with fuckin mujahedins from Sudan who passed HALF EUROPE FULL ARMED and killed everyone who wasn't muslim. They werent on our command, they werent army just random people. People from Serbia joined army, they tried to do ethnic cleaning, not us.
Rndzrndz 10 months ago
@Rndzrndz
Try saying the same thing, just with the opposite participants.
Seriously, do it and see what comes out of it!!!
Sonjayu 10 months ago
@Rndzrndz how old are you when you live in H.C.Andersen world?
NBGD22 7 months ago
@rudolfvalentin14
Yes, there were Muslim victims and yes, they were many. That doesn't "justify" the other side of the story. Don't forget that every story has more than one side. We are all humans and thus incapable of objectivity. You might call me subjective, but if my subjectivity is backed by arguments, you can't defy it.
Sonjayu 11 months ago
@rudolfvalentin14
Basically, I agree, everyone's got the right to his or her own opinion, but... empirical observation of many situations pretty much raises a question.... is it always like that?
At the end of the day, Mr. Voltaire said "Opinions have caused more ills than the plague or earthquakes on this little globe of ours" and to a point.... I can't deny that...
Many of the 'facts' about Yugoslav wars are basically just opinions and 'estimations'.
Sonjayu 11 months ago
@rudolfvalentin14
Keep writing in French, I understand it quite well, but in order to avoid senseless mistakes, this time I'll respond in English.
Sonjayu 11 months ago
@rudolfvalentin14
Je ne comprends pas pourquoi as-tu commencer cette chose 'a priori'.
Sonjayu 11 months ago
@rudolfvalentin14
Baby means an infant, a child up to 1 year of age (say two).
True and false are only subjective determinations.
Sonjayu 11 months ago
@rudolfvalentin14
I am quite satisfied with myself.
I don't see why would I mind your opinion and whether you'd change your mind or not.
Sonjayu 11 months ago
@rudolfvalentin14
If I were you, I wouldn't claim that.
Nobody can tell the exact figure with certainty.
As for "warlords" being fine with each other in prison - it's because they are all the same.
I like the "spirit" of holidays, but..... all that "holiness" led us only to war and destruction.
Sonjayu 11 months ago
@rudolfvalentin14
I hope you go to school now and learn some grammar, my dear.
Sonjayu 11 months ago
Only ~2500 dead bodies were found after the "Srebrenica Genocide"
adrastea99 1 year ago
@adrastea99
Hmm, I am really interested in what actually happened with the number of bodies.
I've found a figure of about 4000, or so, but there was something about their identification that just didn't sound right to me.
Sonjayu 11 months ago
@Sonjayu
Only around 2500 bodies were found within the city, the number was inflated to 10,000 based on an estimate (guess)
The Bosnian Federal Commission of Missing Persons released a list that includes both killed and missing, which is around 8000 people (6000 missing, 2000 dead)
Few of the bodies at Srebrenica were identified, so the total could be a mix of ethnicities, not exclusively Muslim as ICTY claims
In addition, those 2000 labeled "dead" are mostly battle dead (not executions)
adrastea99 9 months ago
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Serbs should have stayed in Serbia!Greedy race.
Dwanted1 1 year ago
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no one gives a shit about srbian civilians fuck you stpid video 1bosnian= 100 serbs.
pallex97 1 year ago
no one gives a shit about srbian civilians fuck you stpid video 1bosnian= 100 serbs.
pallex97 1 year ago
@pallex97
The peak of human intelligence (of 3rd degree)!
Sonjayu 1 year ago
@Sonjayu this here (pallex97) is a perfect example of stupidity in the human race, the pure hatred for people they do not even know, how can one even muster up hatred for someone they have never met? Because of stupidity? Maybe partly, but there has to be more, death is a serious thing, and people like pallex97 who take death so lightly is why there IS so m uch death in the world. a sad reality. Thanks for the video.
luxlucetintenebris19 1 year ago
@luxlucetintenebris19
Thanks for the brilliant comment!!!
Sonjayu 1 year ago
no one gives a shit about srbian civilians fuck you stpid video 1bosnian= 100 serbs.
pallex97 1 year ago
@pallex97 Calling Bosnians animals, would be an offence to animals. You are all but puppets of the zionists.
CFvS1331 1 year ago
no one gives a shit about srbian civilians fuck you stpid video 1bosnian= 100 serbs.
pallex97 1 year ago
You guys know what I find funny/ridiculous here?
I either remember some users or randomly go over comments and find that 2 years ago some were telling me about 300,000 dead particular Muslim civilians, about a year ago, let's say they were giving a number of 200,000(+), again only Muslims.
Now, they have somehow accepted the figures around 97,000+ (all included).
Seriously, people, what do you want, another war?
I feel sorry for BiH citizens with better things to do than spamming YouTube.
Sonjayu 1 year ago
@KLADUSCAN5k A i kao da si napisao neku zabranjunu istinu pa mi ne zelimo da je gledamo... Pa je kao brisemo. Ti pises gluposti mali, i ako je to neko i uradio, tj. izbrisao tvoj komentar, onda je to uradio da drugi ne gledaju tvoja sranja, koja si izasrao. Znas, potice na nervozu i na ne potrebnu mrznju, kada tako pises. Ali kad bi ti to vec znao, daleko bi dogurao.
alooobre 1 year ago
@alooobre
Upravo tako.
Sonjayu 1 year ago
According to the Research and Documentation Centre at least 97,000 + were 'directly' killed. Of the civilian deaths the vast majority were Bosniaks at 83% and only 10% were Serbs. Most Serb deaths were military maybe that tells you something ha. Your BS propaganda trying to convince people that it was a civil war and that all sides were equally guilty won't work. There was an aggressor and there was a defender. Very simple.
KLADUSCAN5k 1 year ago
The aggressor (Serbs) had the motive and planning of condemning anything to do with the Muslims or Bosniaks to annihilation (for eg. Lives, Mosques, Honour etc) while the Bosnian army had only one motive in mind which was to defend Bosnia and it's citizens without stooping down to the level of it's attackers. Now any fair-minded person would know who is guilty and responsible for causing this terrible event and suffering in history.
KLADUSCAN5k 1 year ago
i molim te don't go deleting my comments and blocking me just as many of the other Serbo-Fascists have done in the past when they weren't able to hack the truth.
KLADUSCAN5k 1 year ago
@KLADUSCAN5k Posto me mrzi pisati vise na engleskom... Kome ti da smo mi fasisti? Ako si hrvat... Imao si fasisticku drzavu da znas! A ako si musliman, imao si muslimane koji su radili za naciste i klali srbe a mozda i druge... Izvini mladicu, pazi ti kome kazes da si fasist. JEBOTE IDI PROCITAJ MALO VISE KNJIGA OD JEDNE ILI JEDNOG PROPAGANDNOG MATERIJALA. Pa ti nisi zdrav za okolinu, a da ne pricam sto sebi skodis.
alooobre 1 year ago
@KLADUSCAN5k
Two things:
1. Have you checked my channel? It says - Last Visit Date:1 month ago
so how could I possibly delete any of your comments or block you?
2. en . wikipedia . o rg / wiki/ Corporatism
Sonjayu 1 year ago
@KLADUSCAN5k The "bosniaks" couldn't do more than that, however, today you can see their REAL motives! They want not only BIH wit pure muslims, but Serbia too. The increasing number of vehabias and muslim-terrorist is today a fact, and their only motive is to kill people who are not like them. Serb cannot be aggresors, cause the lived there longer than "muslims"... SO ANY FAIR-MINDED PERSON WOULD KNOW WHAT IS FAIR, and that you are not fair. objasnio
alooobre 1 year ago
@KLADUSCAN5k
In politics - the motive of defender and a hero doesn't exist.
The reality doesn't know good and evil, the Universe is indifferent, with no heaven or hell.
Each one struggles with what he has got.
For example - the card you play is victimization because you have seen it will pass and that's OK, that's your way of achieving your national and/or nationalistic interests and I'm fine with that, but please, pass that on someone who cares about your opinion.
Sonjayu 1 year ago
@KLADUSCAN5k
To add that it has suffered through that war thanks to those like you - narrow-minded, selfish and arrogant (not to mention pathetic, what I hate the most is messing pathetic into politics, leave that to your girlfriend).
Sonjayu 1 year ago
@KLADUSCAN5k WTF??? According to who? I heard that approximatively, 75000 were serb casulties, 50000 muslim and 25 croatian... And that is not only version of the this story... SO Why should i believe you? You have big issues, or you are just evil.
alooobre 1 year ago
@KLADUSCAN5k
According to that research of yours 97,000 were simply KILLED, among around 60 to 65% MUSLIMS (your persistent use of the word 'Bosniak' speaks much about your ultra(pseudo)nationalism), others were Serbs and Croats, both with combat deaths and civilian casualties. There are, however, certain issues with determining the exact percentage of civilians, therefore, you cannot encounter precise data.
Sonjayu 1 year ago
@KLADUSCAN5k
As for why this WAS a civil war - Well, explaining that offends intelligence because you only need basic education to understand the term civil war.
"Now any fair-minded person would know who is guilty and responsible for causing this terrible event and suffering in history."
Sure, your 3 comments on YouTube have really enlightened them, much more than any sociological study.
Hope one day you return wiser (and return to Bosnia)
Sonjayu 1 year ago
good!
The4lbanian 1 year ago
@The4lbanian
Impressive!
Sonjayu 1 year ago
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@The4lbanian You will burn in hell!
Scholli1972 1 year ago
If one person (Naser Oric) kills 30 uniformed Serbs or someone in his brigade is the same as when you motherfuckers Serbs kill 8 500 children and men that surrendered to you.
I swear by Almigthy I WILL DRINK YOUR BLOOD AND EAT YOUR FLESH MOTHERFUCKERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CHETNIKxTERMINATOR 1 year ago
@CHETNIKxTERMINATOR
That's a language of a peacelover!
8,500 children and men, that's really interesting data.
I love the presence of such creatures of your type on such videos, you really show what you're made of, KEEP IT UP!
Sonjayu 1 year ago
Check out your statement. Everybody killed Serbians and so the pour serbians also killed????????????????????
what are you a 7yold???
mspell9 1 year ago
@buttlamo Not really you killed 100,000 inecint women,children and men we killed 3000 soilders not even close we never killed citezins unlike you fuckers
Mrbosnia12 1 year ago
@Mrbosnia12 Another one-sided idiot.
No, neither have you killed 30,000 SOILDERS, nor there were 100,000 dead Muslims.
97,000+ casualties on 3 sides, go contact your government and do not post anymore!
Sonjayu 1 year ago
@Mrbosnia12
You never killed "citizens", oh, sweety, that's pretty amazing, since every person in this world is a citizen of something.
Sonjayu 1 year ago
And true face of the western ''humanitarians''is that they simply don't care of this.And they know!
TyrannosaurusRexxx56 2 years ago
@TyrannosaurusRexxx56
Yes, exactly! Thanks for pointing that out, too. Of course, it doesn't apply to the whole "West" but exactly those you mentioned. Respect!
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Sonja,ako nisi vec videla,pogledaj video:
An endless blue circle. In it a star
na YT
sudbina Srba,i nasi zapadni ''prijatelji''
TyrannosaurusRexxx56 2 years ago
@TyrannosaurusRexxx56
Nisam, ali hvala, pogledaću.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Fucking war all sides sufferd what i cant understand is that all western media is only against serbs. Fuck them all. Hopefully there wont be a war again.
rajkob321 2 years ago 10
Rajko,
Unfortunately, there will be, that's the reality of the world and of ourselves, that's regressive in our nature.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
@rajkob321 Jews run western media. That's why.
CFvS1331 1 year ago
Stvarno tuzno....:(
zakonodavac 2 years ago
sva ova ime su delimicno osvecena ali neka...bice jos leta kao ono Srebrenica 95 da osvetimo sve Srbe koji su poginuli braneci srpsku zemlju
Kupujtedomace 2 years ago
I think the media is unfairly biased against Serbs. Certainly they were no saints, nor were Croats or Muslims. What makes me realy sick is ho the media portrays Muslims as victims. I believe that Sreb was exaggerated. Muslims were just as bad as Serbs and Croats. They were all equALLY DIABOLICAL. Don't know why these people got along for so long and they it just collapsed and they started killing each other. Makes no sense
nolant6772 2 years ago
I agree with you completely.
We shouldn't disrespect the victims of others, but we can't let our victims being disrespected.
Actually, looking deeper in all aspects would tell you that these things actually make up perfect sense, but just weren't worthy.
Keep in mind that Yugoslavia used to be a stable Communist state, but never in the Eastern Block.
It had its own "Block" (the Non-Alleged) formed technically by Tito himself.
That couldn't be after the Cold War...
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Serbs had a terrible public relations team with Arkan, Ceselj, Milosevic, Karadzic. IF Tudjman would have ensured equal rights for the Serbs in Croatia, perhaps war could have been averted in Croatia. Maybe not. The fact is that some people wanted war, they didn't want to explore a peaceful option.
Tudjman helped create an indepedent Croat state, but his policies created many, many problems for the fledgling country
timnolan1972 2 years ago
Arkan - paramilitary leader, paramilitary formations were very nasty, in fact, far more crimes were committed by paramilitaries (unofficial) than regular army.
Šešelj - his points weren't extermination or whatever, I don't agree with him at all means but he had some good points.
Milošević... a puppet.
It is true, they had terrible attitude at the times when carefulness was the most needed.
I agree with you, with better leadership, we could have used some chances and that way...
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Arkan is a disgrace to all Serbs.
Ceslj - he was a paramilitarist as well.
Who was Milosevic a puppet to? The Russians? Wasn't he the grand instigator of most of the problems?
In a way I don't blame Milosevic. The Slovenes wanted an indepedent Slovenia, he let it go. The Croats wanted an indepedent Croatia, he was prepared to let it go, but he wanted to protect Serb minorities in the country. Only natural to protect one's own.
timnolan1972 2 years ago
In ways yes, but Šešelj was also an educated politician.
Whose puppet he was... a bit hard to explain, he was actually influenced by other people (not necessarily politicians, he was from my town, local folks know some stories better than me), he himself didn't really know what much to do, he supported the wrong side in Russia (some his Communists) which, after the changes, left him without Russian support (and even got some against himself).
Sonjayu 2 years ago
The real culprit where Karadzic and Izetbegovic. Alija wanted a purely Muslim state. He wanted Sharia law, he wanted to impose Islam on everyone, he was a radical, not a protector of his people. If I was a Serb in Bosnia I would be scared of his rhetoric. Problem with Karadzic is he threatens Muslims with extinction. WYF? If I was a muslim i would be scared of this rhetoric. Both were War Pigs. Evil minds that plot destruction - makes me sad.
timnolan1972 2 years ago
Well, yes.
He didn't mean to actually extinct them, but he was threatening them because he wanted them defeated, surrendered and, exactly, Muslims were naturally scared.
He did have some cooperation with Fikret Abdić and there could have been some chance, but, his rhetorics "If you don't [...] you shall disappear", that's not the way to treat others or get them on your side, as well as Alija's "Islamic declaration" was.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
If someone threatened me with "extinction" and had the means to make me "extinct" I wouldn't take that as an idle threat. I would look for allies and find ways to defend myself.
But what compelled him to say this? Islamic Extremism? It is easy to blame one person or group, as the media does to the Serbs, but it is not so simple It is nice to chat with someone who can see that. Most people who are Croats are just pumping Croat propaganda, Serbs their own propaganda, and Muslims ect
timnolan1972 2 years ago
Thank you for that.
I absolutely agree.
We have different points of views, but I think everybody has the right to express and explain own opinion, OK, Croats and Muslims can leave their arguments, but so do the Serbs.
Of course, they couldn't "look in the crystal ball" whether he is really going to do that or is scaring them and makes a selection of victims.
Any excuse is not applicable for civilians, but, exactly, things are just TOO COMPLICATED.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
I think the source of the problem is simpler than one thinks. One word: communism. Communism destroys people's will to work and thrive, it takes away the competitive spirit. People feel they are not adequately compensated for their hard work. They blame the wrong source for their problems. I didn't make a lot of money this year. It is those damn Mulsims, or Croats or Serbs.
Yugoslavia was communist, half the people worked in Germany, Italy or Canada. Why? Communism fails it's people
timnolan1972 2 years ago
Well, you had mentioned the problem, but in a different shape.
Yugoslavia was not like, for example, USSR, here, people were able to earn good money, but they were limited by the Party (not to mention the rip off the property of political opponents), but, they were able to go ANYWHERE (unlike the rest of Europe and wider) and stay as much as they wanted, so, they stayed where they liked more, exactly the thing about blaming the other was what Tito was preventing in TOTALLY wrong way...
Sonjayu 2 years ago
... He was preaching Yugoslav identity over any other, any action not liked by The Party was treated as "spread of ethnic and religious hatred" (playing in public at Julian New year, mentioning Jesus in a song etc).
When (in already bad times) national awakening begun, it turned into a catastrophe. Why? People felt oppressed.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
There were some serious negotiations about partitioning Bosnia into 3 parts (Croatia and Serbia to take their and Muslims to get own state), might not seem too right, but could have worked and victims would be much less, war would end earlier, no Srebrenica etc.
In Bosnia, the biggest mistake was made by the International community which, instead of saving almost a million people in Rwanda, was too busy not allowing solution (partly) acceptable for all sides and creating just more pain.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Whether Herzegovina goes to Croatia, is irrelevant. People need to learn to get along. Because as you know there are Croat villages in the middle of Muslim areas and vice versa. Nobody can be second class citizens, and you can't have some Muslim theocracy because that creates huge problems for non-Muslims. Bottom line is, Bosnia is Europe not central Asia. Europe is part of the civilized world, not darkest Africa. It is time people acted the part.
timnolan1972 2 years ago
The same thing is about the Serbs, you, I know that is not the best idea, but is surely better than what happened, the closest solution was Yugoslavia itself, but it was hardly maintainable after the Cold War.
Of course Muslim theocracy is unacceptable, that's why I mentioned Fikret (mostly non-religious), but, if Muslims would disrespect Serb and Croat population and impose Islamism, we could use that against them (not in murderous sense) even though the IC was against us.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
My fear is that ultimate aim of muslims is world domination. They might try to act accepting of different religions, but that is rouse. They seek to conquer the world and I will not be conquered.
timnolan1972 2 years ago 5
Many tried to make World domination but nobody ever managed it, they've just pointlessly shred rivers and rivers of blood of their own and other peoples. If Muslims try something, the same will be about them.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
I say partly because at the time, no side would be fully satisfied with any, but, now each would have more gain.
What is BiH today?
An independent state of all its citizens?
More like a protectorate under the foreign leadership, now, THAT's not good for ANY side, not even Muslim (even though they might not realize it).
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Bosnia is a lovely country with good people, Serb, Muslims and Croats alike. Most people want good jobs, good schools for their kids, freedom of worship and peace. Bosnia needs leader who will work to creat that for all Bosnians, regardless of their religion. That is not unrealistic - but if sociopaths get into power, it will disintergrate.
timnolan1972 2 years ago
happens in most civilized countries. I think communism is to blame for a lot of problems in FY. No jobs, everybody was a gastarbeiter for a while. No jobs, no wealth. No wealth, frustration, people blame the wrong source of the problem.
timnolan1972 2 years ago
Actually, it was so after Tito's death, because SFRY was formed as his dictatorship and couldn't survive without him, then economy crumbled, people started loosing their jobs, Europe and treatment of YU was changing which made Slovenia (all-time money-makers) cede, but, Slovenia itself had the right and was not even really the first to try secession, Albanians on Kosovo did in 1990, but it just wouldn't be natural for Kosovo (the poorest, most backwards) to separate first.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
... at least make a lower death toll.
Even though situation was delicate already in the '80s, things could have been at least somewhat better.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Yes, maybe nobody sees it as a good solution, but I think the Serbs and Croats should have accepted the plan Z4, that wouldn't give the Serbs Independent Kraina, but would secure them autonomy and, probably, save them from the horrors of 1995.
Some people won't agree with me, but, in this case, we would gain more than we have now.
Yes, everyone stands up for own people, Croats, Muslims, Slovenes, only our government is a fucked up puppet now that thinks flattering will help!
Sonjayu 2 years ago
The problem you have is that Croats in the Krajina, wouldn't live under Serbian control, because Croats believed they were second class citizens in Yugoslavia.
timnolan1972 2 years ago
But if Krajina was autonomous, Croatian state would still have influence on them, it was composed of municipalities with Serbian majority. In Serbia live many, many minority groups, some of them aren't even "officialized", here, by law, politicians can't say "Serbs" when talking about the people living here but "citizens of Serbia", Serbs are 66,5% in Serbia (incl. Kosovo) and significant population in BiH and Montenegro.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
It doesn't seem to be working in Bosnia, I am not sure how it would work in Croatia.
Serbs need to be able to go back to where they came from and be treated as = citizens.
nolant6772 2 years ago
Truth, we (ex-YUs) have a big problem with it, but we aren't even guilty. If you had noticed, many foreigners for Muslims use the word "Bosnians", which already looks discriminating against other Bosnians, creating the feeling as if they don't belong there, American "nation=state" doesn't function on the Balkans.
BTW, no matter how much someone would even like, ethnic purity here is impossible, the Balkans had been historically distinctly populated since ever.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
... let alone injustices from WWII and some things even before it that forcibly divided us.
"Divide et impera" had worked on the Blakans for thousands of years and it created all the local divides.
Look up "balkanization", it's an accepted term, for a good reason.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
You mean Muslims killed Serbs and other way around.
Don't get me wrong, I just like to be more precise.
Cheers!
Sonjayu 2 years ago
That is a lie. These are the names of Chetniks compiled by Milivoje Ivanisevic, they died on Sarajevo front and were later moved to Bratunac military cemetery.
SuperMontyDog 2 years ago
Aha, sure, sure!
I'm used to listening excuses and apologia.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Look around the World muslims are terrorist!!! Muslims can only kill children and civilian people
starinanovak 2 years ago 2
Muslims in Bosnia are a little different, it is Saudi's Yemini's and other Muslims that are problems. Izetbegovic was a nut, but most of the people their have a moderate tone to Islam. Most of the muslims in Bosnia eat pork and drink beer, not exactly hard core.
timnolan1972 2 years ago
Yes, but it seems impossible because, no matter who that leader is, he has to be from one of these groups, which would make the other two unsatisfied and (taught by bitter experience) maybe even sacred, because nobody trusts the promises of "rights, peace and stability".
I know them and I know what you mean, but keep in mind, Bosnia is such a lovely ground for THESE Muslims to at least try spreading their influence (sometimes works, Alija is the example).
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Yes, but people need to let them worship the sun if they want to, as long as they don't make me do it.
Too bad nobody believes in rights, peace and stability, it is the only way to go in Bosnia.
Most in Bosnia gave up on the idea that is why so many came to the US.
timnolan1972 2 years ago
I know that, madness about religion had been creating a lot of mess in the World for ages. Religion is undeniable part of human lives and cultures, religious warfare is unacceptable for both.
Not only Bosnia, in the modern world, words such as "democracy, rights, freedom" have been so misused by s-called "ideologists" that regular people can hardly believe in them anymore, people are desperate for changes.
Personally, I support neither full Communism nor Capitalism.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
@starinanovak
fuck your family you idiot!
serbs and russians are terrorists they can only kill children and women!!!
Benjigsaw1934 1 year ago
@starinanovak
fuck your family you idiot!
serbs and russians are terrorists they can only kill children and women!!!
Benjigsaw1934 1 year ago
@starinanovak
fuck your family you idiot!
serbs and russians are terrorists they can only kill children and women!!!
Benjigsaw1934 1 year ago
Ti ljudi su umrli od side i nekupanja pa hoces da skrivis na muslikane.... bas si bezobrazan
Kralj0000Kotromanic 2 years ago
Ja ne znam šta su to Muslimaki?
Neki novi japanski slatkiši, a?
Da "skrivim na"?
Budalo nepismena!
Sonjayu 2 years ago
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may all these men go to fukin hell, just like all the rest of you fukin ignorant serbs. you all are fukin monsters.
May allah have the worst for you all in store, so many innocent lives killed by serbian fagets
FUCK SERBIA
germanysboy 2 years ago
Men?
Male and female of all ages!
Don't worry, nothing of that you say will come true:
1. I haven't killed anybody
2. Allah doesn't exist.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Sonjayu Thank You for this Video !!! Bog neka te cuva bilo gde na ovoj Planeti !!! Proud to be Serb
starinanovak 2 years ago 2
You're welcome!
Hvala, tebe takođe, pozdrav!
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Cao,
Sonja, imas ljepo ime!
But i don't know wheather you're disinformed or too young to know the truth, Serbian people commited Genocide against bosnian-moslems in the early 90's up until the late 90's. where they murdered and raped bosnian woman and children FIRST ok, here is the point "FIRST" Serbs did this FIRST, they have started the Civil War, the Moslems just tried to protect themselved and of course you gotta have a bunch of wackjobs who gonna kill serbian children and woman also.
melissazv 2 years ago
Its all the fault of one man and his name was Slobodan Milosevic, he fucked up the greatest country in the world which was former Yugoslawia..
So dear child don't believe what serb media propaganda is telling you, it is not you're fault or mine, its the crazy psycho politicians fault...
Im not saying Bosnians are completely innocent BUT they had to protect themselves, and self protection just SCREAMS , "INNOCENT"
Dear Serbs,
You have fucked everything up if TITO was alive it would be diffrnt
melissazv 2 years ago
Are you an idiot or something? Tito screwed everything up by uniting three different ethnic groups who had no wish of being united in a communist state. You Croats never wanted to live in the same country as Serbs. If Germany had won WW2, Croatia would have been an ethnically pure state thanks to the Ustashe. Maybe you should take your own advice and stop listening to Croatian/Muslim propaganda and actually start thinking with your brain, that is if you have one.
SrbCanadian 2 years ago 2
Listen to me, Melissa, no Civil war starts just like that and it can never be one man responsible for all.
Your comment is EQUAL to like a 1000 of comments I've seen and read.
Dear, there is no "INNOCENT" side in such a complex wars as Yugoslav wars were.
You should start learning history in detail (and I'm not referring to Balkan history, only).
Serbs didn't just out of a sudden start killing Muslims around them or whatever, you should first read what was happening before...
Sonjayu 2 years ago
"Im not saying Bosnians are completely innocent BUT they had to protect themselves, and self protection just SCREAMS , "INNOCENT"
Actually, that is what you've just said.
Killing and raping civilians is hardly a "self defence" and less "innocence".
If the Serbs aren't innocent for that, neither are Croats and Muslims.
That country was, technically, formed by the Serbs after WWI.
Not really the greatest in the world, but the last stronghold of a fallen state-system.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
... the total collapse in Yugoslavia, about the Serbs being "outvoted" by Muslims and Croats which wasn't meant to be even possible.
You should also read what Alija wanted.
Unlike yourself, I admit, Serbs were not innocent, Serbs committed things they should NEVER HAD DONE, especially concerning some periods of Serbian history, but:
1. That does not make it genocide,
2. That does not make Muslims innocent.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Just one more thing, The "guilty" and "innocent" is relative, just like the rest, not all Serbs are innocent, not all Serbs are guilty, not all Muslims are innocent, not all Muslims are guilty, the same about Croats.
I cannot say I like these peoples, but some things are just natural.
Also, concerning all that happened and all the groups who were involved, all 3 are in ways innocent victims of the occasions.
BiH was just... not meant to be.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Muslim and Croatian begining a war in Bosnia ! Muslims kill over 3000 Serb Civilians Children Women and Older!!! Of this list No. 3101 Trimanovic (petko) Rade he was Direktor of the School in Krnici Village near Srebrenica and he was killed from Naser Oric 05.07.1992 !!! Rade R.I.P. my Friend
starinanovak 2 years ago 3
the serbs started the war you dumb chetnik cunt. and now your pitiful country is in ruins because of that. i'm actually sad for the rest of the population that actually got BRAINS.
AltairKamahl 2 years ago
Too many words, to little sense.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
Bosnian ''handzar'' murdered thousands of serbs during the 40-ies,now the serbs murdered thousands of bosnians back during the 90-ies.Seems such a sad thing,but thats how the law of karma works,its universal.Whatever u sow u reap later.
gleb202 2 years ago
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So its time for the Bosnian "handzar", in the future it will be "mudzos" to sweep through the serbs... but we will wait for little bit more so its not right away....
Kralj0000Kotromanic 2 years ago
Because you're nothing but a bunch of cowards who think "God is protecting them".
Sonjayu 2 years ago
but don't you see all the videos on youtube over srebrenica?? a think this is enaugh...and when you don't want believe the true, than you have maybe a problem! But. forget it! a also know, that there were also many crimes on serbs! (naser oric ...) that is not ok too.... but, we ''balkanian''are stupid people! look at us know? people are poor, haven't work, nothing!
and what are we doing??we are talking about the war! wh should talk over the future, and learn to live TOGETHER!! ...
globe5382 2 years ago 2
I'm sorry about your grandfather and, in case he wasn't any sort of a militant, than I can say - it wasn't done in my name, BUT, as long as some stuff don't get clear, all those stories won't stuff and for the reason why, read my description, here on this video, before starting to defend yourself or attack someone.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
3287 serbian....from 1992-1995 !!
but over 8000 muslim in srebrenica on just 1 DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
and over 200.000 ind 3 years!
but, that's happened----
we are living in 2009! we have to live together!
serb,muslim,croatian------we are all people!
globe5382 2 years ago
The second part of your comment proves what sort of a HYPOCRITE you are!
Go look up official counts of the BiH government, about 100,000 died on ALL 3 SIDES, which is ALREADY TOO MUCH and your lying is seriously not needed!
Fine, where are the bodies of those 8,000?
One said once "5,000 identified, 3,500 burried, 8,000 total", HOW THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE BY ANY LOGIC?
What are you doing with those "not burried"?
Sonjayu 2 years ago
you should go to srebrenica!! maybe it can change something in you!!
i lived near srebrenica! i saw much things...and just because of this, i do not need any statistiks...not important, if they are true or not!
now i know, what people are possible to do! where is my grandfather?? because you said, ''where are the bodys of 3500 people'' ?? where is the body from my g.father?? there was crime on both sides...from one side more...! and we all know which side i mean!sorry for my bad english
globe5382 2 years ago
Look, I never, EVER said Srebrenica didn't happen. YES, it did, BUT, if you can't even deal with yourselves when it comes to numbers and the term you'll use for the crime, don't push it to us like that.
Who is neutral?
I don't see anybody neutral.
You are not neutral.
There was about 100,000 people on all THREE sides, I DON'T CARE what lies Richy Holbrooke had to spread, statistics and forensics aren't his job anyway, he is not competent to be a source.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
And, by the way - SDA wasn't the only Muslim side in the war.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
By the way if You are living in Serbia as You clam
You mast be sick standing by your computer all night
long.
branimircroato 2 years ago
You stupid ignorant Serbian, I lived in Belgrade in late
seventies was My the biggest introduction in the
Scope of "Greater Serbia".
branimircroato 2 years ago
Haha, yeah, right.
Seventies, eh?
Sure, especially with Tito!!!
Fine, just give me one speech where Slobodan is mentioning "Greater Serbia".
But, on the other hand, "Greater Croatia" would be right, eh?
Ad you do not live in Canada.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
I find it hard to believe that the evil Serbian who rape and murber many thousand of muslim women is compliant about afew of they rapist and killer being kill.
Barenziahlover 2 years ago
Yes, exactly, "I" rape and murder thousands of Muslim women although I'm a woman.
All those women and kids killed by Muslims do that on daily basis, MORON!!
Sonjayu 2 years ago
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Montenegro is not the "Nation"???.You tell them.
As far I know Montenegro is UN recognized State.
I know You are working very hard on your mission
by My opinion in vain.
At this point I am cu
tting off any further contact
Win You.
branimircroato 2 years ago
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Montenegro is not the "Nation"???.You tell them.
As far I know Montenegro is UN recognized State.
I know You are working very hard on your mission
by My opinion in vain.
At this point I am cutting off any further contact
Win You.
branimircroato 2 years ago
Montenegro is not the "Nation"???.You tell them.
As far I know Montenegro is UN recognized State.
I know You are working very hard on your mission
by My opinion in vain.
At this point I am cutting off any further contact
Win You.
branimircroato 2 years ago
So, just because it is a state", that would mean it's a nation, too?
Do you know what nation is?
Now, if Dalmatia would separate from Croatia, or Quebec from Canada, those would be "new" nations?
You really haven't proven anything by running away.
Sonjayu 2 years ago
All nation at former Yugoslavia fought
fanatic wars to get out.Why!!!.
My assumption is that Your Serbian Yugoslavia
Was to good to all Us.
You may continue with Your propaganda
butt history of the genocide committed
by your fellow Serbs is well documented.
branimircroato 2 years ago