I agree with Silverdaddy. Composers seldom if ever followed their own score directions. Where do you start, look at a score, then follow a composer's recording.
Acoustics play a huge part in determining a tempo, regardless of what a composer indicates. Most specified tempi are guidelines, not carved in stone.
Mr. Patel does well here, but I would've played it a bit faster, as Andre Isoir once recorded. A little fire in a piece never hurt anyone.
Guten Abend! Dieser Organist hat die Orgel wirklich sehr gut in den Händen! Ich wünsche ihm alles erdenklich Gute auf seiner weiteren Laufbahn! Schön das es so gute und vor allem einfühlsame Organisten gibt! MfG Peter Gärtner
I didn't know that there were any 6 manual organs in the world outside Philadelphia (Wanamaker's) very interesting the lack of thumb pistons. Very interesting piece.
Technik und Interpretation eines wahrlich schweren Orgelstückes,nur wenige vermögen so zu überzeugen in ihrer Klarheit und Kunst , die Orgel zu einem grossen Instrument zu schaffen...
Superb performance! I've purchased Patel's DVD of Demessieux works and highly recommend it. Are there two almost-identical consoles to this organ? In some videos the exterior is wood; whereas this one appears to be marble [faux I presume].
I dont recommend anyone to get into organ tuning and repair unless you are just nuts about pipe organs. I think I will stick to Hammond tonewheel organs.
@angie4josh The engineering and design that goes into these is incredible. I was an electronic eng. tech student and just from the standpoint of all the tonal production from very high all the way down to 16 and 8 Hz with the monster 32 and 64 or larger pedals boggles the mind. To be a recording engineer and capture this beautiful sound with expensive condensor mics console etc. is a nightmare. So must be all the electro,mechanical and pneumatic work that you did!! BRAVO!!
@bunkytony Its a completely different world when you work on the pre 1900's pipe organs that have not been electronically modified in any way, everything from the keys to the bellows (provided the blower) is done completely mechanically and are particularly dangerous, at least in terms of breaking a fragile wooden stop mechanism that would have to be rebuilt as opposed to an electric one that requires little or no matinance.
@angie4josh I used to tune and repair a 3m Moller in George Washington HS NYC back 1959-1963 and loved it. I now own a Baldwin 3m boy do I miss the Moller.
@bagnewauckland infact that is what i got and i am very satisfided this very moment i am in metz and tomoriw at 7,30 probably i will atend a concert with philipe delacure plaing bach . The church is under restauration of the fasade and the organ pipes covered with nylon foils i hope they manage ok.
@bagnewauckland if you are interested you can listen to my organ improvisations at contrebombarde concert hall ...( my name in this site is costasnicolaidis)
Find the Website for the Basilica's Parish! There is a link there for the Basilica's organs; when you click on it, you'll then find a link embedded inside it for the stop-list in PDF format.
Another phenomenal recording ib by Susan Matthews on the organ at Grace Cathedral San Francisco. It's electrifying, and a favorite of mine when showing off my vintage sound system.
j'aime bien la lampe "torche" juste devant la façade de l'orgue à la fin de cette interprétation majestueuse aux sonorités modernes et aux harmoniques prononçées.
Jeanne Demessieux is the female equivalent of Jehan Alain. Hear death is still moarned by music lovers nowadays. What a great great talent we've lost. And what she have left us if she still have lived today?
Yeah, but you can't think Demessieux was close to the greatness of Alain can you? Some of her works are very good, like this Te Deum. All of Alain's pieces are masterpieces, don't you think?
More manuals, more stops. 6 manuals is like having a good 100 piece orchestra ... prob something that Wannamaker and Sen. Richards wanted when they designed their respective organs .. at Wannamakers, and the Boardwalk Hall.
Actually, Wanamaker would be a five-manual, but they installed a sixth when they built a console because they were going to add a Stentor division native to the sixth; needless to say, they never got around to it, so now it's just a spare.
And I agree. Six is too many. Four is plenty, and five is almost opulent.
I'll disagree!! Three is the bare minimum, four is better and five is ideal (plenty)! Six is opulent, and one really can't possibly handle any more than seven.
Even when one's playing with the couplers and other aids going, one simply NEVER knows if and when one can have to switch manuals or do other things...
As far as this instrument is concerned: having seen the stop-list, by North-American standards of organ-building, not great but quite reasonable (great sound!). I could wish for more pistons placed under ALL the manuals (not just the lowest - that's something I loathe about so many European instruments). Furthermore, one more enclosed division that would have chorus reeds to supplement and build upon the Schwellwerk (III). Glad to see a concave/radiating pedalboard for the choir-console...
Where DID you find the stoplist? I looked around but couldn't dig one up (this instrument seems to get little publicity considering its size, like a couple others I know). God knows, we'd ALL love to have a floating Bombarde division on our organs somewhere. =)
Otherwise, the Wanamaker 6th manual is used for the orchestral, string and echo divisions on a very regular basis; thus, it's hardly much of a spare!!
It's a great pity that the Stentor division didn't get built as it was going to include a proper Principal-chorus with a proper Fourniture & Cymbale pair of mixtures. The document to authorise the additions was on Mr. Wanamaker's desk when he suddenly was called home from Earth...
Sometimes French organ music seems as though it could not possibly be composed by a mere mortal human being. So much of it is so abstract and devilishly difficult. By the way...who was the architect of Chartres Cathedral? I wonder if the architect was also a composer. Brilliant performance of a very difficult piece.
I second dougjensen's remarks. The DVD is a super bargain at $28.99 plus ship. from OHS. The visual recording is amazing, and the audio contains enough sonic material so that it plays well on a surround sound system. The DVD also has bonus material in addition to the musical part.. According to the accompanying booklet, Patel had Demessieux's complete organ works recorded concert style, in one performance. Also, with the video one can see that much of her music is quite challenging to play.
I'm afraid I rather agree with silverdaddy. There is little Gallic passion in any of this collection. All rather straight and literal. Mind you, I envy the technique and the nerves of steel to be able to record this music!
Absolutely brilliant! This performance has inspired me to try to learn it (although I shall never approach Patel's kind of mastery). I am sure this is exactly how the piece should be played. The fellow looks so relaxed but is in total command.
These spectacular Demessieux videos are on the Fugatto 025 DVD. I bought it from the Organ Historical Society (it is also available elsewhere). Aside from the wonderful performances, notice how well Federico Savio has recorded the performer so that you can see has hands and feet. These videos set a new high standard for the quality of organ performance recordings on YouTube (regardless of whether you appreciate Demessieux's compositions).
I well remember a teacher saying he couldn't understand these instruments as you can never play more than two manuals at a time with one hand, so you would never need more than 4 in all!
You will notice that many Youtube recordings show organists who never use more than one or two manuals, relying on pistons and swell pedals to change registration.
FANTASTIC playing in brilliant acoustic. Thanks for posting! Information on this organ elsewhere on the net suggests it is (was) 5 manual . . . When was it enlarged? What was added onto it?
Yes a 6th manual was added to both (!) of the 2 5 manual consoles around 1996 I believe; the "new section" (of stops already existing) is a "Chamadenwerk" playable on the 6th manual
Do not put too much stock in metronomic markings. Both of Demessieux's own recordings of this work were faster than the metronomic markings. Pierre Labric's recordings from the early 70s on MHS are also very fine.
Schumann's metronome marks are notoriously unperformable and many of Beethoven's seem rather too fast.
MM are not strict rules. One of the factors to take into consideration is the acoustic. One would not play the same tempo in the Church of La Madelaine in Paris as in St Thomas Leipzig.
Incredible. Beautiful organ and church. Incredible technique.
mohavetrail 1 month ago
Incredible mastery of the Maxime. I've started to really appreciate Jeanne's unique style and techniques through his interpretations.
Inspirandus 1 month ago
very good performance. like.
organist166 2 months ago
Enfin un concert bien filmé ! Il va sans dire que Jeanne Demessieux est un compositeur que l'on aimerait entendre plus souvent...
funderflick 2 months ago
one word: MAGNIFICENT!
tambrosia 3 months ago
I agree with Silverdaddy. Composers seldom if ever followed their own score directions. Where do you start, look at a score, then follow a composer's recording.
Acoustics play a huge part in determining a tempo, regardless of what a composer indicates. Most specified tempi are guidelines, not carved in stone.
Mr. Patel does well here, but I would've played it a bit faster, as Andre Isoir once recorded. A little fire in a piece never hurt anyone.
Brockett122 3 months ago
Guten Abend! Dieser Organist hat die Orgel wirklich sehr gut in den Händen! Ich wünsche ihm alles erdenklich Gute auf seiner weiteren Laufbahn! Schön das es so gute und vor allem einfühlsame Organisten gibt! MfG Peter Gärtner
organistpeter 7 months ago
Incredible beauty—aural and visual!
Larsky1010 8 months ago
Get the lead out, man. You play like an old lady
Silverdaddy101 9 months ago
@Silverdaddy101 The tempi are those Mlle. Demessieux indicates. Can you play it better?
GeoffreySimonOnline 6 months ago
J'aime la paix. Restitution des Grands
carsonstodd 9 months ago
J'aime la pièce
carsonstodd 9 months ago
Demessieux's organ works have been as much of a revelation to me, as those of Olivier Messiaen.
Maxime Patel is an amazing organist.
MrLizardisle 11 months ago
I didn't know that there were any 6 manual organs in the world outside Philadelphia (Wanamaker's) very interesting the lack of thumb pistons. Very interesting piece.
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I love this composer....she was amazing...great performance, too
11sesquialtera 1 year ago
I love this composer....she was amazing...great performance, too
11sesquialtera 1 year ago
the registration at the beginning of the second movement sounds so cool!! Amazing piece, wonderful organist!
mikedc2020 1 year ago
Wow that is a beautiful organ, and performance. What size is this instrument? And specifications if anyone has them, I'm interested.Thanks!
Classicalguy12 1 year ago
Technik und Interpretation eines wahrlich schweren Orgelstückes,nur wenige vermögen so zu überzeugen in ihrer Klarheit und Kunst , die Orgel zu einem grossen Instrument zu schaffen...
anubier 1 year ago
Is that marbel on the side of the organ?
organfreak23 1 year ago
@organfreak23 I'd say yes
Classicalguy12 1 year ago
Amazing piece. I always love the sond of a german organ . He can really make this organ sing!!
organfreak23 1 year ago
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yokurt 1 year ago
Extraordinaire !!!
francesca7564 1 year ago
Wonderful in every respect! A tutorial for any organist wishing to play this amazing work !
GloriaJanvier 1 year ago
Superb performance! I've purchased Patel's DVD of Demessieux works and highly recommend it. Are there two almost-identical consoles to this organ? In some videos the exterior is wood; whereas this one appears to be marble [faux I presume].
Larsky1010 1 year ago
this music sends shivers up my spine...wonderful
gcl82003 1 year ago
Brilliant performance -- I loved it!
robindch 1 year ago
You are the best
luiguilherme 1 year ago
I used to tune and repair these big bastards.
I dont recommend anyone to get into organ tuning and repair unless you are just nuts about pipe organs. I think I will stick to Hammond tonewheel organs.
angie4josh 1 year ago
@angie4josh The engineering and design that goes into these is incredible. I was an electronic eng. tech student and just from the standpoint of all the tonal production from very high all the way down to 16 and 8 Hz with the monster 32 and 64 or larger pedals boggles the mind. To be a recording engineer and capture this beautiful sound with expensive condensor mics console etc. is a nightmare. So must be all the electro,mechanical and pneumatic work that you did!! BRAVO!!
bunkytony 1 year ago
@bunkytony Its a completely different world when you work on the pre 1900's pipe organs that have not been electronically modified in any way, everything from the keys to the bellows (provided the blower) is done completely mechanically and are particularly dangerous, at least in terms of breaking a fragile wooden stop mechanism that would have to be rebuilt as opposed to an electric one that requires little or no matinance.
Thanks for the Bravo and right back at you!
angie4josh 1 year ago
@angie4josh I used to tune and repair a 3m Moller in George Washington HS NYC back 1959-1963 and loved it. I now own a Baldwin 3m boy do I miss the Moller.
bennypapd 1 year ago
Are there videotakes of Jeanne demmessieux herself????
I like this organist very much, but i like to see the orginal composer!
miauw777 1 year ago
BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO!!!
DoubleDipperBrian 1 year ago
Great piece indeed, one of her best compositions.
I love the melody in the center part played by the
8' Principals and the 8' Trumpet.
Very impressive sound (and console) The first
Jann organ I heard was the one in the Munich Dom.
Hauptwerkgek 1 year ago
super composition +sound
i love messiaen, alain + demessieux etc
i am considering getting hauptwerk with a chevallier coll for sure. organart? sonus paradisi? or milan digital?
nicolaidiscostas 2 years ago
@nicolaidiscostas this may be a bit late, but I recommend the Milan Digital Cavaille-Coll from Notre Dame de Metz.
bagnewauckland 1 year ago
@bagnewauckland infact that is what i got and i am very satisfided this very moment i am in metz and tomoriw at 7,30 probably i will atend a concert with philipe delacure plaing bach . The church is under restauration of the fasade and the organ pipes covered with nylon foils i hope they manage ok.
nicolaidiscostas 1 year ago
@bagnewauckland if you are interested you can listen to my organ improvisations at contrebombarde concert hall ...( my name in this site is costasnicolaidis)
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Jehan Alain ? C'est vraiment de la grande musique ... !
FrancoisHoutart 2 years ago
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FrancoisHoutart 2 years ago
WELL payed! you've gotta love D's music, right...????!????
mogemoets 2 years ago
Find the Website for the Basilica's Parish! There is a link there for the Basilica's organs; when you click on it, you'll then find a link embedded inside it for the stop-list in PDF format.
LJBSasha 2 years ago
Another phenomenal recording ib by Susan Matthews on the organ at Grace Cathedral San Francisco. It's electrifying, and a favorite of mine when showing off my vintage sound system.
Charlestheverger 2 years ago
j'aime bien la lampe "torche" juste devant la façade de l'orgue à la fin de cette interprétation majestueuse aux sonorités modernes et aux harmoniques prononçées.
AlainLeboeuf 2 years ago
Jeanne Demessieux is the female equivalent of Jehan Alain. Hear death is still moarned by music lovers nowadays. What a great great talent we've lost. And what she have left us if she still have lived today?
miauw777 2 years ago
Yeah, but you can't think Demessieux was close to the greatness of Alain can you? Some of her works are very good, like this Te Deum. All of Alain's pieces are masterpieces, don't you think?
tjugofyra 2 years ago
Does anybody have a sheet, please?
zuko1221 2 years ago
yes
originaltommy 2 years ago
More manuals, more stops. 6 manuals is like having a good 100 piece orchestra ... prob something that Wannamaker and Sen. Richards wanted when they designed their respective organs .. at Wannamakers, and the Boardwalk Hall.
DSM1G90 2 years ago
Actually, Wanamaker would be a five-manual, but they installed a sixth when they built a console because they were going to add a Stentor division native to the sixth; needless to say, they never got around to it, so now it's just a spare.
And I agree. Six is too many. Four is plenty, and five is almost opulent.
willowthebored 2 years ago
I'll disagree!! Three is the bare minimum, four is better and five is ideal (plenty)! Six is opulent, and one really can't possibly handle any more than seven.
Even when one's playing with the couplers and other aids going, one simply NEVER knows if and when one can have to switch manuals or do other things...
LJBSasha 2 years ago
As far as this instrument is concerned: having seen the stop-list, by North-American standards of organ-building, not great but quite reasonable (great sound!). I could wish for more pistons placed under ALL the manuals (not just the lowest - that's something I loathe about so many European instruments). Furthermore, one more enclosed division that would have chorus reeds to supplement and build upon the Schwellwerk (III). Glad to see a concave/radiating pedalboard for the choir-console...
LJBSasha 2 years ago
Where DID you find the stoplist? I looked around but couldn't dig one up (this instrument seems to get little publicity considering its size, like a couple others I know). God knows, we'd ALL love to have a floating Bombarde division on our organs somewhere. =)
...except those damn baroqueists. (GRRRRRRRR.)
willowthebored 2 years ago
Otherwise, the Wanamaker 6th manual is used for the orchestral, string and echo divisions on a very regular basis; thus, it's hardly much of a spare!!
It's a great pity that the Stentor division didn't get built as it was going to include a proper Principal-chorus with a proper Fourniture & Cymbale pair of mixtures. The document to authorise the additions was on Mr. Wanamaker's desk when he suddenly was called home from Earth...
LJBSasha 2 years ago
Sometimes French organ music seems as though it could not possibly be composed by a mere mortal human being. So much of it is so abstract and devilishly difficult. By the way...who was the architect of Chartres Cathedral? I wonder if the architect was also a composer. Brilliant performance of a very difficult piece.
redletterchurch 2 years ago
Merci Monsieur Patel.
Cette nregistrement vous honore et témoigne de votre excellence.
27bibi27 2 years ago 2
For all those that criticize his performance, go away. He is brilliant. It is a stellar performance, worthy of the greatest praise.
tubamaxima 2 years ago 2
Who is the organist playing?
horses1 2 years ago
It is the French organist Maxime Patel.
musichiere70 2 years ago 2
I second dougjensen's remarks. The DVD is a super bargain at $28.99 plus ship. from OHS. The visual recording is amazing, and the audio contains enough sonic material so that it plays well on a surround sound system. The DVD also has bonus material in addition to the musical part.. According to the accompanying booklet, Patel had Demessieux's complete organ works recorded concert style, in one performance. Also, with the video one can see that much of her music is quite challenging to play.
blogson 2 years ago
He is a master organist indeed nice peace played
Aaronorganist19 2 years ago
Pity. Such a difficult work, you would think one would give it your 'ALL'.
Rhythmically , this is relatively flat.
At times , the registration is understated. I wonder if Mssr Patel has ever heard a rousing rendition of this masterpiece.
Silverdaddy101 2 years ago
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I'm afraid I rather agree with silverdaddy. There is little Gallic passion in any of this collection. All rather straight and literal. Mind you, I envy the technique and the nerves of steel to be able to record this music!
chamade16 2 years ago
He doesn't have the french agression for this
Sesquiltera 2 years ago
jeanne demessieux still mourned in 2009, what a great, great composer we have lost too early!
What can be hidden still in the conservatoria of Luik and Paris still to be discovered! Someone to make a studyproject of this???
miauw777 2 years ago
Absolutely brilliant! This performance has inspired me to try to learn it (although I shall never approach Patel's kind of mastery). I am sure this is exactly how the piece should be played. The fellow looks so relaxed but is in total command.
hikitsurisan 3 years ago
These spectacular Demessieux videos are on the Fugatto 025 DVD. I bought it from the Organ Historical Society (it is also available elsewhere). Aside from the wonderful performances, notice how well Federico Savio has recorded the performer so that you can see has hands and feet. These videos set a new high standard for the quality of organ performance recordings on YouTube (regardless of whether you appreciate Demessieux's compositions).
dougjensen 3 years ago
6 manuals! It turns out to be that there are more of these 6-manual ones popping up here. But they are nice to see and hear.
Streetcar1743 3 years ago
Maine Cathedral too has a 6 manual instrument.
I well remember a teacher saying he couldn't understand these instruments as you can never play more than two manuals at a time with one hand, so you would never need more than 4 in all!
You will notice that many Youtube recordings show organists who never use more than one or two manuals, relying on pistons and swell pedals to change registration.
1401JSC 2 years ago
Those Georg Jann 32' are fantastic !
jmeister321684 3 years ago
This is fantastic! :) You're great! :)
OrganBuild 3 years ago 2
By the way, it would be super to hear both you and Hugh Potton playing together one day . . .
latribe 3 years ago
FANTASTIC playing in brilliant acoustic. Thanks for posting! Information on this organ elsewhere on the net suggests it is (was) 5 manual . . . When was it enlarged? What was added onto it?
Thanks!
latribe 3 years ago
Yes a 6th manual was added to both (!) of the 2 5 manual consoles around 1996 I believe; the "new section" (of stops already existing) is a "Chamadenwerk" playable on the 6th manual
jmeister321684 3 years ago
Jeanne Demessieux was a genius. This piece is amazing!
rossini90 3 years ago 10
Incredible!! Great to hear Demessieux. Thanks for posting!
cinj9 3 years ago 6
fantastic
KB7777777 3 years ago 2
I'm learning this piece and am wondering why the performer is taking it so much faster than the marking of quarter note = 69.
ivyebb88 3 years ago
Do not put too much stock in metronomic markings. Both of Demessieux's own recordings of this work were faster than the metronomic markings. Pierre Labric's recordings from the early 70s on MHS are also very fine.
Diapasonic 3 years ago
Schumann's metronome marks are notoriously unperformable and many of Beethoven's seem rather too fast.
MM are not strict rules. One of the factors to take into consideration is the acoustic. One would not play the same tempo in the Church of La Madelaine in Paris as in St Thomas Leipzig.
1401JSC 2 years ago
Hello!
Could you tell me who this performer is please?
Thanks, Lee :-)
lee1984yate 3 years ago
The name of the performer is Maxime Patel; this is written everywhere...
musichiere70 3 years ago 2
Great music & GREAT camera work !!!
a55b47 3 years ago 2