Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements: Bad Medicine

[pureforge]

@ GJHMMR.... a pyramid is a pyramid... duh?!?!, the way it works through recruiting w/ uplines and downlines.... the figure itself is a pyramid, their own USANA distributors even gave powerpoints of a pyramidal figure of the compensation plan....

thus implying it's a scheme of a pyramid, where from top is finding more people underneath to screw over

[pureforge]

@UsanaRocks, it's rare for a 79 year old to be on the computer and on youtube. and what are you refering to when you are thanking USANA for? as for being very vague, you are probably implying USANA helps your MS? if you were to be diagnose w/ MS then there is no cure for MS but there are treatments to slow the process. if you understand MS, then your own immune system are at the point of the destruction of neurons => your motor ability will decrease (let alone arguing w/ cognitive ability)

[HGMercury8077]

@xcoolcai Go to the Facebook group Anti-USANA and go to their discussion section and look for the topic "USANA and the Comparative Guide". The sources are listed there.

[guitarnewf1]

Every product that is in there has been tested in the lab of Usana in the cell cultures, but they cannot say that because it turns into a shit show and they don't need that.

Oh, by the way, I am an Isagenix distributor, so I have nothing to gain from endorsing Usana, but if you took the time to truely research instead of trying to defend the money you spent on the company you are in, you just might learn something of value.

[markkevinbourne]

Have you tried them for yourself?

[Gxylon]

Im not sure if you know this but the book is internationally published even to places where Usana don't exist. It was one of the books that was used by the pharmacist students. If other companies are not aware of this book, then how come you are aware of it. Companies can make a lot of money out of the what you thought as unfair ratings the book shows. And this is not an OPINION book otherwise it will not give standard.

[HGMercury8077]

@Gxylon The book is published by the author (Lyle MacWilliams) through his company NutriSearch.

I'm aware of it because every person trying to peddle USANA points it out as though it's some sort of validation for their products price.

What pharmacy students actually use this book?

The meaning in the rest of your comment is hard to decipher. The fact is IT IS OPINION. Absolutely no testing was done on any product that is listed within its pages.

[Gxylon]

@HGMercury8077 I dont think my message is hard to decipher. Try getting a ore intelligent person to read it then and he will understand what I said. I guess when you said opinion that is just your opinion. the pharmacy students that used the books.... why don't you do your research because a lot of them uses it. If these people are fraud then they should have a court case.... and international one since this is an international book and I am not in US nor Canada and yet I have read the books.

[HGMercury8077]

@Gxylon Of course you don't think your message is hard to decipher. You wrote it. I noticed you failed to mention the name of any school which uses this book which leads me to believe you're probably just making it up.

You've probably read the book because you're a USANA Distributor and have had the book pushed on you by your upline and you now use it to sell your business to other people who fail to see the dramatic flaws in this opinion piece.

[Gxylon]

@HGMercury8077 I did not failed to metion the school because there are lots of school that uses the book here in the philippines. Why not check it out. If yo think it is really hard to decipher as you've said. its this simple .... the company pays a lot of money for marketing and research and the company will give a law suit to anyone who destroys their name. why not try publishing your article to the newspaper to see if the author will not place a libel suit on you just for fun.

[HGMercury8077]

@Gxylon If what you say is true then I fear greatly for the field of medicine in the Philippines. That's if what you say is true and I don't believe it is.

What company are you talking about? Nutrisearch, USANA?



[HGMercury8077]

@Gxylon Here are some facts

- The publication is not independent - a number people involved in developing the marking criteria are related to USANA.

- Others involved in developing the marking criteria have been exposed as having phony credentials.

- No testing was done on any of the products listed in the book.

- The endorsements on the back are all from people related to USANA

- There is a financial incentive in portraying USANA as the best.

These are facts which can not be disputed.

[HGMercury8077]

@Gxylon The criteria for ranking the products in this book is based on the opinions of the alleged "experts" many of whom are frauds and liars. A number of them also have a direct financial insentive in seeing USANA place number one.

This book has absolutely no scientific merit. It is an advertisment for USANA.

[Tuah03]

All this is false. If true review of this book is an invented, why not have a company who is not sued the publisher of this book. If you are a highly educated, the easier of course you can think of.

[kuchibrat]

Kinldy note its a published book, if your so call compiled statements were true, dun you think 1500 over companies would have sued MacWilliam for defamation. Common logical sense. I have personally researched all the independent authorities, and your statement are false.

[HGMercury8077]

@kuchibrat 1,500 companies wouldn't waste their time with Lyle MacWilliam because

1 - They probably don't even know he exists

2 - This is a book of OPINION

Notice that it's not a Scientific Study published in an actual reputable Scientific/Medical Journal. As for the "Independent Authorities" you should look a little harder.

Google Bernadean University go the second page of results and find the NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE "New Jersey Opinion; Nutritional Quackery: Big Business"

[UsanaRocks]

I am a 79 year old who has MS. I have been on Usana's Supplements for 4 years. For the person who posted this video, you're an idiot!! "The proof is in the pudding" with Usana. I am living proof of that. I take no medication and I can thank Usana for that. And I am not an Usana Associate.

[incline08]

LOL, its soo funny watching these Usana reps try refute the information.

these youtube accounts 'breezesa' and 'GJHMMR' are merely months old with no other comments on other issues but this.

What a joke, stop trying to hide the truth

[breezesa]

I'd like to know who created this video and what his/her agenda and credentials are. These claims may be as empty and without proof as the author claims USANA's are. One must look further into the published studies and their legitimacy. One cannot believe anything without researching it including the claims on this video. Be careful.

[HGMercury8077]

Research them. They got most of this stuff from the Anti-USANA facebook group. Or at least the content is there a well with links.

[rhinoa4571]

If your MLM's produc is good, why not just advertise that your product is really good and not by criticising other product just make your product looks good!

[KarKui]

thanks for sharing HGMercury8077, i understand where you are coming from.

so is what you are saying a provable fact or opinion? .__.

[HGMercury8077]

What are you asking about specifically.

[GJHMMR]

Oh yeah, thanks for the great objections :)

[HGMercury8077]

Thanks for failing to clarify anything ;)

[KarKui]

actually, you've researched somewhat into USANA but enough to make yourself good money in it whilst actually helping other's health needs. Why dont you focus your energy on that instead? you'd be financially free by now =)

[HGMercury8077]

I'm not sure if you're talking to me or the author of the video, but I'll respond anyways.

The "financial freedom" you describe is highly unlikely to obtain through USANA. If it is obtained it is obtained at the expense of an ever growing population of people doomed to failure in a system which makes money by recruiting people in an endless chain not through the sale of products to end users.

[GJHMMR]

Also, over half of the medals won at the last winter Olympics were Usana users so even if you do consider this book to be biased, you have to admit the Usana products must be pretty awesome to get those kinds of results :) Please, if you have any questions about Usana contact me and I would be more than happy to answer them for you

[HGMercury8077]

I question the validity of your claim that over half of the medals won went to USANA userst.

Fact is though they're not paying for them. They're getting them for free. USANAs products not worthless it just cost way too much. The price is what it is to fund the pyramid scheme. How many of those Olympiads actually participate in this scheme?

[HGMercury8077]

Oh and good luck pushing your pyramid. I'm sure you'll beat the odds and be amongst that 1% that actually makes it ;)

[GJHMMR]

sorry I have to correct myself, over half of the medals won at the last Olympics between Canada* and the United States* were Usana users. And actually Usana only fully sponsors a few Olympians and the WTA tour. All other athletes or teams have to purchase their products.

[HGMercury8077]

Who were the athletes that were required to purchase their products?

[GJHMMR]

As for pyramid schemes, they are 100% illegal and rarely last for more than a year: hence, many network marketing companies out there. However Usana has been around for 16 years, it is traded on the Nasdaq under USNA, and has a great reputation with the direct sellers association, therefore, it is not a pyramid scheme. Sorry to rain on your parade here pal, but Usana is legitimate.

[GJHMMR]

Also, odds are irrelevant in this situation considering luck isnt involved. And you cant justify that only 1% of the people in network marketing succeed as a rare statistic because in reality the majority of people have been perceived to have failed, but in reality they quit before they realised success. Ponder that...

[HGMercury8077]

Ponder that the realization of success in USANA (in this case defined as turning a profit) is dependent upon recruitment and not product sales. In order to obtain success it is required that a larger and larger number of individuals enter into the system. As this process continues the required number of people needed for level to see success grows exponentially making it statistically impossible for next level to ever become successful. The business is advanced by recruitment not sales.

[HGMercury8077]

A traditional pyramid scheme is short lived, but product based pyramid schemes have greater longevity.

USANA fails to meet up to the FTC's 5 Customer Rule. Sales are made in order to remain qualified for commissions not because people truly desire the product. This is demonstrated by the low number of outside buyers and the fact that almost all those who sign up will quit after a year and stop purchasing the products. Advancement in the industry is made through recruitment not product sales.

[GJHMMR]

haha this is hilarious...hey food for thought for everyone who is considering this video to be valid...nearly all of the experts who wrote, published and endorsed the guide were not users of the USANA products until AFTER the first edition of the guide was written. Of course they all use the products now!! They are the best on the market!

[HGMercury8077]

Actually the first edition of the guide featured the opinions of 4 people. Three had pre-existing relationships with USANA and one pretends to have a PhD. All the endorsements come from the back of the THIRD edition and all of those people are from USANA. Of course they're from USANA! This book was made to promote them and no one else takes it seriously!

[KarKui]

well actually, in the GNC Live Well store the comparative guide compares its own mainstream product against other companies besides any of them which were better than it. I'm sure its used elsewhere too.

btw, Usana is not a pyramid scheme so says many evidence

[HGMercury8077]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Could you please rephrase your comments.

People buy the products not because they want them but to remain qualified for commissions. Upward movement in the organization is obtained through recruitment not sales to end users. In short you build the pyramid to become successful or don't see success at all.

[dogruns]

to be fair, can we call this a marketing tool?

it's like an advertising on television...they always got something behind the scene. For those who doesn't study well enough, you can be a victim. but is it that bad as a marketing tool?

[idhamhafidz]

Thank you for your research findings. I'm not bias but just wondering if what they say in the book is incorrect, other nutrition company's should have sued Lyle Macwilliam a long time ago. Maybe what you say is correct, but in terms of the quality of USANA product, I think maybe it is that good.

[HGMercury8077]

Keep in mind the book is Lyle MacWilliam expressing his opinion and he can't be sued for that. Even if there is a clear bias in his approach and methods. Plus I doubt any of the major nutritional companies would take this book serious anyway.

[KarKui]

Have you read the book before? it clearly states its research in the most scientific manner and also states the research's limitations.

I cant see how it is opinionated .__."

plus the book revised its second edition to be ranked in stars; i'm sure this has something to do with the respect of other companies?

[HGMercury8077]

Looks can be deceiving. As this video illustrates there was not legitimate studying of any of the products aside from reading the label. You could use Microsoft Excel to conduct this so called research. The opinions used in the book come from people that are related to USANA or have phony credentials.

The star ranking probably has more to do with the fact it sounds better when something got 5 out of 5 stares instead of using a percentage like 92.

[HGMercury8077]

As for the quality of USANAs products they were tested - actually tested unlike in this guide which did nothing- by an independent consumer report show and were found to be no better than what you can buy in stores at a much lower cost. USANA costs 2-3 times more without providing any added value or quality.

They also twice failed in court to show their products were superior to less expensive products available in stores.

[HGMercury8077]

Great video exposing the problems with The Guide. Everyone thinking of joining USANA should watch this video and another one talking about how the PDR has nothing to do with product quality, and another talking about how tons of cheaper supplements meet the same quality controls as USANA and another video about how USANA has failed to demonstrate in court that their products are better than products you can buy on the shelf and another about how nearly everyone in USANA loses money and ........

[HGMercury8077]

Lol, I hope those are enough suggestions about what vids you should make next. Should keep you busy for a while.