"In 1987, PSA Flight 1771 crashed near Harmony, CA. N168US (350PS) plummeted into the ground from 22,000 feet, causing the plane to go supersonic and break up enroute."
Which is why it was scattered so far and which is why it went deeper into the ground. Whereas UA93 was that high nor never fell that fast. So physics win for the "twoofers" again.
@cheerdiver - And yet u still want ppl to believe a cockpit voice recorder could pick up "let's roll" through a CLOSED DOOR.
Ru really that retarded?"
RU? The "Lets Roll" comment was picked up by an airphone conversation to a GTE supervisor named Lisa Jefferson, and NOT through the cockpit recorder. Nice try wackjob.
"9/11 Twofers - Never met a quote they could not take out of context, mislead or outright lie about"
At this scene we see many plane parts. And else where we see nothing. At 1771 there were bodies all over the place. Elsewhere we see nothing. This plane went in at 700mph+! not that 350-535 or so is slow.....
@IExposeMormonism To bad your an idiot , don`t diverse from the actual comparison. The towers crashes has nothing to do with this other than the fact your trying to dilute the events.
Im extremely disappointed in you as at first i believed you to be intelligent Thank yourself for me leaving the twooftart org.
Thank God for that ! Its Funny how your lies Showed me Truth ! See how Truth wins even over Lies False Facing the Truth !
This is God showing me the way thru your Slime Jungle of Evil !
@ClownShadow1 I compared the pane crashing into the material it crashed into and then what happened after it crashed into the material. One material was dirt. The other was steel. One=1000fps into dirt, one=750fps into steel. We find parts of the 1000fps plane the 750fps plane glided seamlessly, wing tips, edges, fuselage, tail and all thru massive steel load bearing walls, steel reinforced concrete and the inner backbone steel members. Glad I could help! but you seem angry. God wants the truth
I lost a cousin on this flight. For a while, I worked at TV station KCOY. THey did a story on Dec. 7, 2007 on the anniversary of the crash and its aftermath. Did the sheriff say Burke steal $60 million? It was more like $60. THanks for the video.
ClownShadow1 Telling the truth concerning 911 is helped by this video:: Here All the parts recovered. While most pieces were small they are larger than those at the WTC where only a handful of pieces were recovered. no black boxes. The WTC "plane" was 750fps. This plane is 1000fps. This plane made a hole smaller, it seems, than Shankville. the 911 "Boeing" FULLY enters the WTC, intact, wing tips edges, fuselage, tail and all. Then it proceeds 3 frames and THEN Explodes, inside the WTC. All true
Why was only 14 mill spent on 911 investigation when 100 mill was spent on Clinton's BJ? Why did they take over a year to start the investigation,when JFK,Pearl harbor,and every other tragedy was started immediately?
Why would Bush & Cheney NOT testify under swore oath regarding 911? Nothing suspicious there...
Why is Osama NOT on the FBI most wanted list for 911?
I like how the FBI always manages to find the "smoking gun"...in this case, a small piece of a revolver (later id'd through fingerprints) and the puke-bag the dude wrote the note on (out of the millions of pieces of paper over 8 miles).....almost as good as finding the Passport in the WTC rubble. I often wonder - how is it that 1000s of pounds of aluminum, rubber, plastic etc. all "disintegrate" yet all that paper is intact? This "crash" is sketchy in its own right....
@uradouchebag100 I was there. It was amazing what made it and what didn't. I didn't expect to find intact papers and keys in a place where the body parts were so small.
Alex Jones is so full of shit. He has no formal education on this subject. What he is trying to say about this aircraft and the shanksville crash just makes him look bad and ignorant.
The events on 9-11-01 were crime scenes but werent treated as crime scenes. Everything that happened on 9-11 was quickly cleaned up and never talked about again.
Flight 1771 broke up in midair when it went out of control after the crew had been shot by a disgruntled employee who'd been fired by PSA the day before.
I was about 300 yards away when the plane hit, and it was completely intact when it hit the ground. The next day after the crash, a reporter who had failed to identify himself to me misquoted me. I said I saw smoke and flame as the plane disappeared behind a small hill, and he reported that I had said that the plane went down in flames. It was a perfectly sunny blue sky day, and that plane was completely intact when it hit the ground.
Thanks for the input, this crash had invoked my curiosity ever since I found out about it as I was traininig on the exact type, but newer next generation model, a year before 9/11.
That is absolutely incorrect. I was one of the two eyewitnesses to the plane crash, and I saw all but the last tiny fraction of a second of the plane's travel to the ground.
My dad and I were there. We saw the plane coming down, and we were the second and third people on that hillside. The crater was no more than 6 feet across. Paper items like money, business cards, and driver's licenses were nearly perfect, though the largest piece of a person I saw was a foot in a boot. The initial fireball had thrown papers and pieces of seat fabric high in the air, and those pieces were spread for miles. The smell of kerosene still reminds me of that day.
I saw the plane's travel from when it angled down, until it was about 100' from the ground. I walked through the wreckage. The wreckage was flaming, and there were body parts everywhere. There was also paper everywhere. Most noticeably, there were intact wallets filled with Identification. Most of the wallets were open to the peoples' driver's licenses. That put faces on the body parts for me, and was a life changing experience.
Alot of people, reporters, police, fire, White House staff, etc, etc speculated about what was happening as events unfolded and for days afterwards. Rumsfeld obviously didnt have his facts straight when he speculated about what happened, typical for a Republican.
Flight 93 blown remotely near Shanksville via signal to Ku band antenna due to the fact it was delayed 41 minutes at Newark Airport and didn't have enough time to switch it for its drone (A-3 Skywarrior) couldn't reach its target that being The Capitol Building due pending fighter pilot intercept. If 93 was shot down, it would have left evidence of a sabotaged plane so red team had to vaporize it in mid air.
Flight 93's drone -- an A-3 Skywarrior in Flight 93 paint scheme -- landed after in Cleveland. In an earlier Loose Change movie, Dylan says Flight 93 landed at Hopkins Airport, but the drone landed in reality.
Oh come on OperationMockingbird, thats a crock and you know it. Here's a challenge for you. Go to Todd Beemers home and tell his wife that he never existed. Better yet, tell her to her face that he landed in Cleveland. You're an idiot.
Operation, you live in a fantasy world, where you are a super slueth unearthing world wide conspiracies by watching youtube videos, and then using your skills to defeat the nwo by watching...youtube videos.
You do realize that dylan avery admitted on hardfire that Loose change was umm " full of inaccuracies and dubious claims" ummm which translates to him saying " I made a bunch of shit up, but as I am making money of lunatics who get off on demeaning that dead, I'm going to keep on lying"
No, but it was a fairly large plane, and it hit extremely hard going extremely fast. The crater was small. I remember standing at the edge of it wondering how the rocky soil could have resisted such a hit with such a small hole being formed.
Similar, but ONE CRITICAL difference that actually proves the Shanksville crash was a hoax (and I'm not talking about the impact speed). Can anyone guess what it is?
You fuckin dumbass. Like everyone said get the fuck out. Your worse then the radio dick head jones. Fuck you. United 93 was way faster dumbass... pieces were found. Get out of here no one wants to hear your 9/11 truth movement bullshit.
Uh, wrong. Flight 1771 crashed at 700 mph. Official Flight 93 crashed around 580 mph. Awaiting your apology.
"pieces were found" -- an incredible 95% of the plane was supposedly recovered. Too bad there is no real proof of that, or for the other extraordinary claim that 80% of UA93 was buried in the ground.
But keep believing Flight 93 crashed there if it makes you sleep better.
Who says the recorders were buried again? Oh right, the trustworthy FBI. And when they supposedly dug down of found these recorders, they for some reason thought it was only newsworthy to report finding the recorders, but not bulk of the plane that was supposedly down there too that everyone had wondered what had happened to it. Funny that one of the recorders has an Allied Signal label on it and the other has a Honeywell label.
The soil was very rocky where flight 1771 hit. I didn't see a data recorder, but there was Aluminum everywhere painted with a yellow-green paint. I didn't get the impression that there was anything below the ground there.
Wow what a powerful piece of debunking. Jones is talking about a debris field, that is plane wreckage. The detective is talking about papers blowing around up to 8 miles. With flight 93 the paper or garbage was in the "impact hole". Airplane debris and human remains were found up to 8 miles away. The light breeze that day blew all this up to 8 miles? Good grief.
No.. No human remains were found eight miles away. Paper was, and little pieces that could be lifted by air. The impact hole is where few remains were found. Including engine parts, and engine parts where it had bouced (the engine bounced) and when a plane goes straight in the ground at high speeds like UAL 93 did, you don't get much debris. It wasn't really spread, there was few pieces here, and there.
What Alex Jones maybe leading his flock astray. I'm SHOCKED, according to the bearded spock like named 'Truthers" Alex is all knowing, all wise, and unable to say anything but gospel truth.
David Burke was NOT a PSA employee. He was a USAIR employee who took down a PSA airplane. PSA and USAIR had merged, but were still operating as separate airlines at the time of the crash. He was never a PSA employee.
No, I did not know that AJ is, '...a leading forefront expert on plane crash investigations.' Most likely because I wasn't aware that such a title exists. What is a leading forefront expert anyway? Is there a licensing exam in front of a body of experts before that title is bestowed upon those fortunate enough to be named...LEADING FOREFRONT EXPERTS. Must one register to become a leading forfront expert? What must I do to become a leading forefront expert? Are you a leading forefront expert?
"When planes crash into the ground, they NEVER leave more than a mile long debris field." -Alex Jones
AJ thinks he is soooooooooooo clever. Give me some reference for such a bold claim, cite a book or a magazine maybe, or even your own fear mongering website at least. C8, H10, N4, O2 =mytherapycoffee*com
pt1gard: Not to mention that the intervals for the flight data are sparse, and with a altitude dropping flight path, the last recorded altitude still confirms the plane impacting, confirming the official story. FUUHH-AIL. Fail. Fail. Fail. Try again, moron.
any serial numbers ID'd yet from the four planes??? what are there, over 100 parts minimum they could've recovered this info from alone ... maybe in that prearranged black smile in shanksville they mighta found just one along side the surviving red bandana and PASSPORT ID ... LMFAO
Hey gard don't forget the surviving frequent flier card, luggage, seats, etc.
Those innocent pasengers that lost their lives that day are bunch of shills aren't they?
Watching Gard debate is like watching him piss in the wind. I am sure it feels good to get it all out, but it always seems to fly back in his face. And he is just too dumb to realize it.
hey KP, you are on duty for the paid shill trolls, thats great ... as far as the innocents that were killed (those numbers are sketchy at best, try phoning the plane victims instead of the building victims and see what happens--you see i actually investigate, you just shill) none of them were killed at any sites in the planes ... they were either #1 faked names, #2 taken somewhere and shot, or #3 put in 1 plane and crashed ... get outside the box. those tv tapes at the wtcs were mucked with
again you are as dumb as they come, cant you think at all???? i assumed you would figure out I was alluding to "calling their living families," but like a typical shill you run and hide and play semantics so you can deflect your ignorance and lack of solid research unlike all truthers who possess that trait in spades ... how much you make a day shilling, cuz you sure cant have an office job .. LMAO
Hey gard maybe you can explain how the black box , FOUND IN THE PENTAGON RUBBLE, would prove that the plane flew over, hence carrying the black box away from the Pentagon, inside the invisible plane.
Do you need some googles buddy? Don't want to get pee in your eye.
umm pally, they wont even share the fake black box contents they claim to have... and if you check there are divurgent gov. stories who found it and where (yes true people claim they found it inside and outside and at different times, hysterical huh?), now thats a snipe hunt that only your lying myth makers who scripted this soap opera could truly pen
thats the joke, you doofus, if this was the black box how did flight 77 miss the pentagon by 400', geezus you are dense ... so which is it, they shared the info or gave false info, either way you lose, dumb shit ... my gawd, the shills need some brain panacea LMAO
Can you point me in the direction of the eyewitnesses who attest to seeing the plane fly over the Pentagon? DC is an extremely large city and during morning rush hour it would have been witnessed by hundreds, if not thousands.
Also can you souorce the site where you got your black box info from. You'll have to excuse if I don't believe your personal opinion of what the black box provides as I highly doubt you are skilled in reading the contents of the black box.
Basically I am asking for the site which you read and swallowed this garbage from.
"pandoras black box flight 77," its been posted here many times magoo, do some diligent research ... you guys kill me, we always have to hand lead you to water bc otherwise youd get hit by a bus ... remarkable how cretin these shills are
oh now you are pilot now, eh, derty shill ... maybe go until the pilots for truth site and tell them you know more than they do .. what a troll you are ... just like every shill you toss out garbage and expect sheep to follow you ... prob is truth is on our side and why cant you find anyone to debate us anymore on radio? call in and find someone to appear on herzog or barretts show ... hey you think the popular mechaincs shill davin coburn held his own with goyette??? lmao
"go until the pilots for truth site and tell them you know more than they do"
Argumentum ad verecundiam - a recognized LOGICAL FALLACY where a person uses their own (or in some cases someone else's) "authority, knowledge, or position" to establish their statements or arguments as truth, or otherwise accurate.
you are equivocating, peabrain, and everyone sees it, go tell the pilots they dont know their territory bc you choose to shill and be a patsy for your beloved bush/cheney cabal, what a joker ... cui bono, wuss nuts :)
it never fails to make official story sheep wet their pants Pilots for 911truth presents its first full documentary based on the American 77 Flight Data Recorder as provided by the NTSB following the full flight in real time as it happens in the air traffic system on Sept. 11, 2001.
yeah the pandoras vid always leaves the shills at a loss for words so they go to the trite homophobic ad hominem ...
very mature, KP, watch it and get back to me shilly :) flight 77 misses the pentagon by more than a fball field, proof you will never see in your precious lying MEDIA controlled universe
hey liar shill, how bout goyette just destroying your POPULAR MECHANICS ace, and again, lloyd engalnd and babs, thats right shilly, duck and cover LMAO
how many vet pilots have you heard say they coulda done what amateurs did LMAO... go to pilots for the truth, go listen to all sorts of vids and interviews of vet pilots who would laff in your shill face ... the light polls, LMAO, flight 77 never came that way and flew 400' above the pentagon according to your lying gov. heroes in the FOIA they released of the flight recorder ... you have nothing shilly, bring it on LMAO
hey you wanna debate forever, bring it on ... babs olson LMAO lloyd england LMAO ... BUSH staying in the classroom after andy card told him tower two was hit LMAO ... military pilots laughing about odds of a cessna flunky flying those paths LMAO ... PASSPORTS poppping up at shanksville and WTCS LMFAO ... 7/7 and 9/11 same MOs, LMAO!!!! you guys are flunkies, shills, LIARS, and just evil people lmao
Evidence like passports do survive sometimes. There was debris from lifejackets and other misc. items on the tops of other buildings after impact. 1771 they talked about finding items like that. What was bush seriously suppose to do, he stayed calm. He couldn't have ran out of there crazy scaring adding more confusion to the mix. Military pilots and real pilots agree that he flew the plane like shit. He didn't land it, he just lined it up into a building. Landings the hard part, Idiot.
lmao you idiot, passports survived, take your hero shill mark roberts and bring him on any radio debate, my pal vinnie asked him to go to hall of records and he wet like you are doing ...
Yes, passports did, so did a bunch of other things. That happens at plane crashes all the time. By the way, watched the video, your dude IS A ANOTHER COMPLETE IDIOT just like Alex Jones. Their all just trying to make a name for themselves. Another thing, PM is trying to argue the facts, your idiot, pure truther speculation. Meaning, why argue with an idiot who is so set in his mind that his way is right?
another lie perpetuated by the shills ... miltary pilots tried simulating hanis and attas paths and went 0/10 hitting the same targets ... planes cant fly 5' off the pentagon lawn and leave it pristine, but these are facts you shills dont want to address ... bush staying calm? LMAO ask any security agent if protocols werent shattered that day ... a prez gets whisked, shilly, they did it at the white house that day to lesser lights .. hey how bout willie brown being told not to fly on 9/11 LMAO
Negative, you see flight simulators will crash you due to safetly codes. Simulating and actually doing are two different things. Did you forget the fact that they hit a bunch of light poles and also it a generator moving it. Not a light little honda one either. Willie brown, all bs. More truther BS. If you can't bring up real evidence than speculation, it's no sense in even arguing. Your can't bring up real evidence, physical especially, then you can't prove your point. It's over bud.
SO until we can move on, you need to provide credible answers to these 8 points of interest from which you have rambled on about, but provided no evidence or facts for.
I am sure that is asking a lot and you would just rather insult, name call and muddy the water more by continually shifting goalpost.
4. "117 eye witness testimonies in the ny times by the fdny saying the wtcs were not what the official story claims" - You refused to link to these which renders them made up?
5. "linclon log house" - Apparantly the WTCs are comparable to a "linclon log house?"
6. "the fuel could not trickle down the elevators" - So the eleveators were completely closed off and indestructible?
7. "i can call you a liar and names" - After numerous bitching about being called names.
8 Supposed "basement bombs" for no apparant reason from a guy who has changed stories more than once. -
Funny the only so called "evidence" of basement bombs comes form a guy who changed his stories. No explosions seen. Basement bombs were useless as the building fell from top down. Explosions well before collapse? Demolition doesn't work that way. Simply put, basement bombs were unecessary, useless, not credible witnessed nor profived any use whatsoever in the collapse of the WTCs.
yup! Also seen in a few other videos as well. At least 70 stories of the core was standing (the "Spire") and it was seen over the WTC7 after the initial collapse.
ANSWSER SOME QUESTIONS, where do you get your news???? fox or cnn LMAO, .... folks do your own research, dont let bully shills like streak sway you, the facts cant be toppled ... none of his neocon lying pals will venture onto any radio programs and argue the official story anymore ... you tube their prime POPULAR MECHANICS researcher DAVIN COBURN going up against CHARLES GOYETTE where he gets his ass handed to him ... COMMENT ON THAT, SHILLS!!! you cant, case closed LMAO
You have the entire internet infront of your face, idiot. Look up shit yourself, don't look up something that other people say they looked up and call it true. That is what you idiot truthers do. PM debated Loose change directly, Mark roberts goes directly to ground zero and debates you idiots. Just because an idiot throws out a bunch of BS and your truthers "THINK" the other guys is getting his ass kicked, Maybe the other guy can't dumb himself down far enough to debate. LOL
That video was weak. The video shows two different angles, one still and the other fuzzy and at a steeper angle from a moving Chopper. The one from the chopper had the freaking water in the background and again the chopper was moving while filming. Even the reporters talk about seeing another plane hit the towers. This is nothing more than Junk. ANother junk video link that is completely rediculous. Suck on that, idiot.
yeah as weak as your neocon shilling, pally ... just proves the media was in on it ... dyk 96% of the media is jew/zionist owned, connect the dots, dolt :)
aww did i hurt your naive suckered ass? were you proud of accomplishing exactly what in iraq ... go listen to your non brainwashed bretheren who have come to senses and admit in great detail how messed up the iraq joke is, how murder is encouraged, how evil goes on all the time ... how stupid could you be to hoist a gun like a mk-ultra slave and go fight for BUSH'S LIES ... arent you proud to know you were used??? get help, even tho you are an idiot, i hope you didnt gulp any DU
Wow, we don't rely on the weak comments of the weak soldiers who couldn't hack it and lost their minds. Murder doesn't go on all the time, we get in serious trouble for that. How stupid could you be to not be able to even know what the hell your hero has said. Your just as big a slave as I am, only difference, I'm not a slave to fear like you. Your scared of the real world; this is why you hate our government. You simply don't know any better. Yes, bad shit happens, but this is retarded.
It's also funny how you preach about fear. Idiots like you are too scared to say that shit to the face of the soldiers so you hide behind your computers. Even if we wouldn't do anything, you are still scared.
wr has gone on record enough to know what happened, you for some polluted reason, believe his gov. ... so one elevator ran down to first floor, what about the basement, do you know which elevator sucked up the modicum of fuel that was left, where it was located etc? i thought not, shill/liar trying to grasp straws ... LMAO ... answer my question, you swallow 100% the bush cheney official story, quit dodging, i am anxious to see you go on record admitting that laugh track
Actually, it did run to the basement. Also, during the impact some elevators were noted to have been released and fallen. Where is your proof of any arguement you have laid forth. I have given sources, I have shown you your lies, and it's obvious you don't try to debunk yourself and do some real investigating (research is a truther term to me). Your the one hitting straw man arguements only to have them backlash. Where's your proof? I'm ready to debunk more of it.
you are right mr sammo, nice to see a non shill in this debate ... WR is down to earth, kind hearted man, who was a true hero that day, saving many lives ... streak calls him a lowly janitor, but will call all the people his gov. murdered HEROES, like all shills do, not wanting to DISHONOR their deaths ... what a farce people like him are, so transparent and pathetic to keep the official sheep story rolling ... no one who looks into it believes a word unless they are being paid like him ...
Then, his story went from 1 to 2 seconds, he then claimed 6 to 7 seconds. Second thought, had Willy ever heard an explosion before? Is the building shaking making him think it's under his feet. Tell me, if the building was shaking, what part of the body would feel it first, YOUR FEET. In a steel building, an explosion can sound like it came from anywhere. Trust me on this. I thought my room got hit with an RPG once in IRAQ, the hit actually came from the other side of the building.
oh so now i get it, streaking, you were one of the suckers who went to iraq, sniff any DU, shoot or rape any innocent children? what do you accomplish, what a rube.
wmd, lmao, powell slickered your ass didnt he, just like he lied in MY LAI in NAM. only a stooge would go fight in iraq, what do you think you are doing there, chasing al qaeda, a base the cia created. you slay me, shill streaker :)
usa has murdered one million there, displaced 3 million, arent you proud to be part of that?
Wow, I see I'm talking to an idiot. What have you done today? Sat on your ass and eat cheetos? As a matter of fact, I am very proud I fought. However, I'm not proud of the common misconception that idiots like you have. It's obvious you don't know anything about the world outside your television so let me end this by saying, you have the right to your opinion, you also have the right to try to back your opinion with actual knowledge. Which,knowledge of even your own hero you lack.
bam! exposed a liar, streak ... WR was invited to the white house and decorated a hero, but once he wouldnt lie for the neocons plot, he was silenced in major media .. show me where he said "rumble," he says LOUD EXPLOSIONS! everytime i ever heard him speak ... again streak, you are a frightened shill and retreating, its ok, langley will still sign your checks for a web troll
Yeah, that's why they had water before the collapse and were trying to run lines up to the firemen. They had no water when they were fighting building 7 and 5. That's why they blazed for so long, the collapse of the towers took out the water mains.
Search that, dude goes from the first or second floor all the way to the 107th floor. He even looks around at NY with the camera, totally not edited. And hold on, I have another video for you to look up.
William Rodriguez - Inconsistencies, Lies, Truth
Man I wish they paid my ass. Besides he says a second or two before the plane hit, heard an explosion, he thought it was a generator. How the hell did he know when the plane hit.
so what ur now saying, with 90% of the fuel expired outside the building, the fuel would have to all find that one elevator, and then catch on fire and blow up the generator ... so how did WR say it happened b4 the plane hit, were you there, have you talked to him ... those vids can be doctored, i have heard him over and over say it was a BOOM! explosion period not some rumble, try again shill ... so let me ask you, do you swallow all of the 9/11 official story? lmao, BABS OLSON, pally
Negative, it's his own words. He even said that on fox. You said the elevators didn't run the height of the building, well they do, LIAR. Willy thought a generator blew, I didn't, he did. He in fact says it happened before the plane hit. Again, how did he know? Your the one that doesn't even know what your own idol said. It's not doctored when it shows him telling the whole story straight through. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Great, he was decorated, he's still human. A book can make an uneducated janitor alot of money. Ever thought of that? People stretch the truth everyday to get what they want or need. He was not silenced on major media, not even close.
umm streak, the pilots for the truth have flown every kind of plane under the sun (you are guessing now and backpedalling and scared, its ok, they pay you to bully)...
umm, streak, with the FOIA they took the 9/11 gov. flight recorder and PROVED the altimeter was mucked with and flight 77 flew 400' over the pentagon ... google: pandora's black box, flight 77
learn the truth and quit shilling, you are exposed ... and please answer my questions, you hide like all sheep :)
doofus, streak, have you ever listened to WR speak ... i have a dozen times ... he says the first explosion BLEW HIS ASS UPWARDS ... then a lil bit later BOOM, a loud crash from above, meaning the plane ... where did this explosion come from in the basement???? the fuel could not trickle down the elevators, they werent joined
I have also heard him change his story from a loud rumble to an explosion. Bam, loss of credibility right there. If there was an explosion in the basement of the magnitude that he claims, how the fuck is he still alive? Why place charges on the bottom when it was very, very evident the collapse began at the weakened impact area of the building. Out of all the probably thousands of people that worked in the lower part of the building, did only 1 uneducated janitor come out with this story?
For all you truther $heeple who've been reading my comments for the past year, the NIST report corroborates what I've been saying. One thing you morons have proved over and over again is how desperate you are to get the last word. If you enjoy posting meaningless comments, be my guest. If you're up for a serious debate, then try to challenge crackfukker aka the "Mohamed Ali" of debunking.
crax, they have the police doing an audio countdown for building 7 ... like oswald in new zealand, the press also has a priori knowledge on 7 going down before it does, any thoughts?
its online, heard it many times... i was jiving you on your dvd "mentality," get outside the box.... so lets hear your version of bush/cheney/rockefellers/bankers story??? the boxcutter allusion was beyond your grasp, now i explained it so quit ducking, lets hear what you think, equivocator, you are like all of them, call names and dont explain your POV bc its preposterous and you are a paid shill
proof, KP, kinda like ted olson lying about his wife babs calls??? do some homework.
as for you, jp, misleading? how old are you? you watch fox news or cnn? where do you get your facts? off tv, time mag, LMAO
let me ask both you shills this, why cant you find a syllable on iraq war anymore on tv, been silent for a year. a million innocents killed by your heroes. 96% of media owned by zionist/jews.
where are the woodward and bernsteins? check into mena, operation ajax, gladio, etc
MrSammo1: Vaporize is a misnomer. You fail, dumbass. A ton of concrete would very easily disintergrate a human body. Now just use addition to make that several thousand tons and there you have it. Moron.
wheres all the concrete? it turned to dust. kerosene-based fuel burned at half the heat it takes to MELT steel, yet 2 months later the basements of the wtcs looked like a foundaries, molten metal everywhere. the girders where shanghaied to china by the liar giuliana. nasa took overhead infared pics that proved the heat far exceeded what the kerosene couldve generated.
william rodriguez, last man out, heard explosions going off in the basement b4 the
"wheres all the concrete? it turned to dust. kerosene-based fuel burned at half the heat it takes to MELT steel"
There where hundreds of thousands of tons of concrete at the site what did they clean up there for all those years? Steel never melted on sept 11, the steel was cut up by rescue workers in the days after YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT!
pt1gard YOU WERE NOT EVEN BORN before 9/11. Again you are full of shit! If someone gave you an enema they could burry you in a matchbox.
"In 1987, PSA Flight 1771 crashed near Harmony, CA. N168US (350PS) plummeted into the ground from 22,000 feet, causing the plane to go supersonic and break up enroute."
Which is why it was scattered so far and which is why it went deeper into the ground. Whereas UA93 was that high nor never fell that fast. So physics win for the "twoofers" again.
Yerizzo 6 days ago
That rat talking in beginning sounds just like the Pervert they arrest down the street .
SkuIICrusherGhost 2 months ago
And yet u still want ppl to believe a cockpit voice recorder could pick up "let's roll" through a CLOSED DOOR.
Ru really that retarded?
cheerdiver 2 months ago
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@cheerdiver - And yet u still want ppl to believe a cockpit voice recorder could pick up "let's roll" through a CLOSED DOOR.
Ru really that retarded?"
RU? The "Lets Roll" comment was picked up by an airphone conversation to a GTE supervisor named Lisa Jefferson, and NOT through the cockpit recorder. Nice try wackjob.
"9/11 Twofers - Never met a quote they could not take out of context, mislead or outright lie about"
CCRider100 1 week ago
How does this prove anything about flight 93?
PostalCode74 3 months ago
Excellent documentary clip, regardless of any comparison anyone would like to make.
I'd love to see the KCOY piece aired in 2007 on it, if anyone has it.
zenmachinefilms 11 months ago
At this scene we see many plane parts. And else where we see nothing. At 1771 there were bodies all over the place. Elsewhere we see nothing. This plane went in at 700mph+! not that 350-535 or so is slow.....
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
nothing similar at all ya can see bits scattered all over the place on flight 933 ya could see NOTHING
anthonyp43 1 year ago
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I find only 2 1771 videos. If anyone has other please let me know....thanks
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism To bad your an idiot , don`t diverse from the actual comparison. The towers crashes has nothing to do with this other than the fact your trying to dilute the events.
Im extremely disappointed in you as at first i believed you to be intelligent Thank yourself for me leaving the twooftart org.
Thank God for that ! Its Funny how your lies Showed me Truth ! See how Truth wins even over Lies False Facing the Truth !
This is God showing me the way thru your Slime Jungle of Evil !
ClownShadow1 1 year ago
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@ClownShadow1 I compared the pane crashing into the material it crashed into and then what happened after it crashed into the material. One material was dirt. The other was steel. One=1000fps into dirt, one=750fps into steel. We find parts of the 1000fps plane the 750fps plane glided seamlessly, wing tips, edges, fuselage, tail and all thru massive steel load bearing walls, steel reinforced concrete and the inner backbone steel members. Glad I could help! but you seem angry. God wants the truth
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@ClownShadow1 Nice Friend. Nice!
MrSavagerocks 3 months ago
I lost a cousin on this flight. For a while, I worked at TV station KCOY. THey did a story on Dec. 7, 2007 on the anniversary of the crash and its aftermath. Did the sheriff say Burke steal $60 million? It was more like $60. THanks for the video.
dynamo805 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal NOT ONE TWOOFER WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THIS VIDEO-SAYS IT ALL..
ClownShadow1 1 year ago
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ClownShadow1 Telling the truth concerning 911 is helped by this video:: Here All the parts recovered. While most pieces were small they are larger than those at the WTC where only a handful of pieces were recovered. no black boxes. The WTC "plane" was 750fps. This plane is 1000fps. This plane made a hole smaller, it seems, than Shankville. the 911 "Boeing" FULLY enters the WTC, intact, wing tips edges, fuselage, tail and all. Then it proceeds 3 frames and THEN Explodes, inside the WTC. All true
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
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Why was only 14 mill spent on 911 investigation when 100 mill was spent on Clinton's BJ? Why did they take over a year to start the investigation,when JFK,Pearl harbor,and every other tragedy was started immediately?
Why would Bush & Cheney NOT testify under swore oath regarding 911? Nothing suspicious there...
Why is Osama NOT on the FBI most wanted list for 911?
Answer from the FBI ''lack of evidence''
NoNORADon911 1 year ago
alex jones is full of it.
pete5668 1 year ago
There was paper everywhere. I had no idea a plane would be carrying that much paper.
riparianlife97701 1 year ago
Who says that when planes crash into the ground they never leave more than a mile of a field of debris? Is this some sort of physical impossibility?
JebusInVegas 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal I was referring to the major media's lack of discussion on this topic, numbskull :-)
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NoNORADon911 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Kiddo? LOL Look at your picture! Your what 16 !?
NoNORADon911 1 year ago
911 was an Inside Job,even a HeadLessMunkee can see that..
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HeadLessMunkees 1 year ago
i am surprised no one has a video of AC621 the pictures on AC621 seems similiar (Air Canada 621)
AndyMcArren1356 1 year ago
I like how the FBI always manages to find the "smoking gun"...in this case, a small piece of a revolver (later id'd through fingerprints) and the puke-bag the dude wrote the note on (out of the millions of pieces of paper over 8 miles).....almost as good as finding the Passport in the WTC rubble. I often wonder - how is it that 1000s of pounds of aluminum, rubber, plastic etc. all "disintegrate" yet all that paper is intact? This "crash" is sketchy in its own right....
uradouchebag100 1 year ago
@uradouchebag100 I was there. It was amazing what made it and what didn't. I didn't expect to find intact papers and keys in a place where the body parts were so small.
riparianlife97701 1 year ago
Alex Jones is so full of shit. He has no formal education on this subject. What he is trying to say about this aircraft and the shanksville crash just makes him look bad and ignorant.
pelagic6 1 year ago
The events on 9-11-01 were crime scenes but werent treated as crime scenes. Everything that happened on 9-11 was quickly cleaned up and never talked about again.
astranine 2 years ago
Hey Libs,
When is that jackass Obama gonna get to the bottom of 9/11 and put Bush in prison?
JSMcCainRocks 2 years ago
"UA 93" was fictitious.9/11 was an inside job.Watch 911 Taboo for the truth.
machfron 2 years ago
Flight 1771 broke up in midair when it went out of control after the crew had been shot by a disgruntled employee who'd been fired by PSA the day before.
That's whey the debris field was so large.
lexlaw007 2 years ago
Actually. the plane was intact when it hit the ground.
vermontviking 2 years ago
Wrong, taken from airdisaster(dot)com:
"when traveling at a velocity of 1.2x Mach, the aircraft breaks apart and the Flight Recorders cease functioning"
fakeham 2 years ago
No, the plane wasn't "intact". Do you know the VMO or VNE of a BAC146/RJ85 type aircraft?
The VNE, or Velocity Never Exceed, on an AVRO RJ85/BAC146 is 300 knots.
The commenter, said the remains of the aircraft struck the ground at over 700.
That plane was not, "INTACT" when it hit the ground.
ShiekUrBooty 2 years ago
@ShiekUrBooty
I was about 300 yards away when the plane hit, and it was completely intact when it hit the ground. The next day after the crash, a reporter who had failed to identify himself to me misquoted me. I said I saw smoke and flame as the plane disappeared behind a small hill, and he reported that I had said that the plane went down in flames. It was a perfectly sunny blue sky day, and that plane was completely intact when it hit the ground.
riparianlife97701 1 year ago
@riparianlife97701
Thanks for the input, this crash had invoked my curiosity ever since I found out about it as I was traininig on the exact type, but newer next generation model, a year before 9/11.
ShiekUrBooty 1 year ago
@lexlaw007
That is absolutely incorrect. I was one of the two eyewitnesses to the plane crash, and I saw all but the last tiny fraction of a second of the plane's travel to the ground.
riparianlife97701 1 year ago
My dad and I were there. We saw the plane coming down, and we were the second and third people on that hillside. The crater was no more than 6 feet across. Paper items like money, business cards, and driver's licenses were nearly perfect, though the largest piece of a person I saw was a foot in a boot. The initial fireball had thrown papers and pieces of seat fabric high in the air, and those pieces were spread for miles. The smell of kerosene still reminds me of that day.
riparianlife97701 2 years ago
@riparianlife97701
6ft. across? Paper items were nearly perfect? The initial fireball "threw" paper into the air?
none of this sounds very convincing that this was a plane crash either.
uradouchebag100 1 year ago
@uradouchebag100
I saw the plane's travel from when it angled down, until it was about 100' from the ground. I walked through the wreckage. The wreckage was flaming, and there were body parts everywhere. There was also paper everywhere. Most noticeably, there were intact wallets filled with Identification. Most of the wallets were open to the peoples' driver's licenses. That put faces on the body parts for me, and was a life changing experience.
riparianlife97701 1 year ago
One difference, Flight 93 was shot down with a missile according to Rumsfield. So the similarities ends there.
TheCrimsonSkull 2 years ago
Alot of people, reporters, police, fire, White House staff, etc, etc speculated about what was happening as events unfolded and for days afterwards. Rumsfeld obviously didnt have his facts straight when he speculated about what happened, typical for a Republican.
sphmusak 2 years ago
If it was a missile it would have broken up in the air.
The crash scene would have looked totally different.
CHF2 2 years ago
so tragic too.
sphmusak 2 years ago
20 miles away from me valuejet flight 492 miami fla may 11 1996 hardly anything left
Obelisk2290 2 years ago
exactly, and that plane hit the swamp.
Why cant doubters just face the facts?
sphmusak 2 years ago
cause they would have to face reality no one talks about that flight and it crashed 10 miles from my home at the time
Obelisk2290 2 years ago
Flight 93 blown remotely near Shanksville via signal to Ku band antenna due to the fact it was delayed 41 minutes at Newark Airport and didn't have enough time to switch it for its drone (A-3 Skywarrior) couldn't reach its target that being The Capitol Building due pending fighter pilot intercept. If 93 was shot down, it would have left evidence of a sabotaged plane so red team had to vaporize it in mid air.
OperationMockingbird 2 years ago
Flight 93's drone -- an A-3 Skywarrior in Flight 93 paint scheme -- landed after in Cleveland. In an earlier Loose Change movie, Dylan says Flight 93 landed at Hopkins Airport, but the drone landed in reality.
OperationMockingbird 2 years ago
Oh come on OperationMockingbird, thats a crock and you know it. Here's a challenge for you. Go to Todd Beemers home and tell his wife that he never existed. Better yet, tell her to her face that he landed in Cleveland. You're an idiot.
sphmusak 2 years ago
Operation, you live in a fantasy world, where you are a super slueth unearthing world wide conspiracies by watching youtube videos, and then using your skills to defeat the nwo by watching...youtube videos.
You do realize that dylan avery admitted on hardfire that Loose change was umm " full of inaccuracies and dubious claims" ummm which translates to him saying " I made a bunch of shit up, but as I am making money of lunatics who get off on demeaning that dead, I'm going to keep on lying"
guitarspeare 2 years ago
he did?
can u link me, liar?
thedayitriedtodie 2 years ago
sure here you go theday it's at about 6minutes and 40 second mark
v=y7tMHMQ863Q
guitarspeare 2 years ago
funny how i saw this yesterday
yes, he does say it, but only some stuff.even so, it doesn't mean the official story makes any sense.
the pentagram, was hit 1hr plus to the second tower... so....
it's quite obvious, wouldn't u agree?
thedayitriedtodie 2 years ago
/watch?v=VuJO69aWzcA&feature=PlayList&p=425F7A0422588F69&index=7&playnext=5&playnext_from=PL
2:48 see how far they go in their lie.... is that a USA plane?
u see, in the middle of the excitement they expect u not to realize that's not even a boeing nor an airbus......
thedayitriedtodie 2 years ago
No, but it was a fairly large plane, and it hit extremely hard going extremely fast. The crater was small. I remember standing at the edge of it wondering how the rocky soil could have resisted such a hit with such a small hole being formed.
riparianlife97701 2 years ago
all this for about $60 theft?
Obelisk2290 2 years ago
Similar, but ONE CRITICAL difference that actually proves the Shanksville crash was a hoax (and I'm not talking about the impact speed). Can anyone guess what it is?
WelcomeToKilltown 2 years ago
the voices in your head that parrots loose change?
Obelisk2290 2 years ago
Your desperate need for 9/11 to be a hoax?
PolitikalJunkie 2 years ago
The critical difference is that officials claim most of Flight 93 TUNNELED BELOW GROUND, whereas Flight 1771 mostly stayed above ground.
Flight 1771 crashed going much faster, so according to the official UA93 account, most of Flight 1771 should have tunneled into the ground too.
But we all can see that no 757 tunneled into the ground at Shanksville by that shallow 10ft deep crater supposedly left behind.
WelcomeToKilltown 2 years ago
You fuckin dumbass. Like everyone said get the fuck out. Your worse then the radio dick head jones. Fuck you. United 93 was way faster dumbass... pieces were found. Get out of here no one wants to hear your 9/11 truth movement bullshit.
Fsxroflcopter 2 years ago
Uh, wrong. Flight 1771 crashed at 700 mph. Official Flight 93 crashed around 580 mph. Awaiting your apology.
"pieces were found" -- an incredible 95% of the plane was supposedly recovered. Too bad there is no real proof of that, or for the other extraordinary claim that 80% of UA93 was buried in the ground.
But keep believing Flight 93 crashed there if it makes you sleep better.
WelcomeToKilltown 2 years ago
if it didnt "tunnel" as u say u then why were the recorders. that are located in the tail of the aircraft. be burried 25 feet below the surface?
911letsroll 2 years ago
Who says the recorders were buried again? Oh right, the trustworthy FBI. And when they supposedly dug down of found these recorders, they for some reason thought it was only newsworthy to report finding the recorders, but not bulk of the plane that was supposedly down there too that everyone had wondered what had happened to it. Funny that one of the recorders has an Allied Signal label on it and the other has a Honeywell label.
WelcomeToKilltown 2 years ago
The soil was very rocky where flight 1771 hit. I didn't see a data recorder, but there was Aluminum everywhere painted with a yellow-green paint. I didn't get the impression that there was anything below the ground there.
riparianlife97701 2 years ago
Killtown, get a life you fucking loser. You are a dolt.
tkledin 2 years ago
Wow what a powerful piece of debunking. Jones is talking about a debris field, that is plane wreckage. The detective is talking about papers blowing around up to 8 miles. With flight 93 the paper or garbage was in the "impact hole". Airplane debris and human remains were found up to 8 miles away. The light breeze that day blew all this up to 8 miles? Good grief.
cmatrix1 2 years ago
No.. No human remains were found eight miles away. Paper was, and little pieces that could be lifted by air. The impact hole is where few remains were found. Including engine parts, and engine parts where it had bouced (the engine bounced) and when a plane goes straight in the ground at high speeds like UAL 93 did, you don't get much debris. It wasn't really spread, there was few pieces here, and there.
Fsxroflcopter 2 years ago
if the engine bounced, where's a nice photo of it?
thedayitriedtodie 2 years ago
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riparianlife97701 2 years ago
What Alex Jones maybe leading his flock astray. I'm SHOCKED, according to the bearded spock like named 'Truthers" Alex is all knowing, all wise, and unable to say anything but gospel truth.
guitarspeare 2 years ago
The Dwarfs had nothing to do with this of course.
g0thb0y666 3 years ago
David Burke was NOT a PSA employee. He was a USAIR employee who took down a PSA airplane. PSA and USAIR had merged, but were still operating as separate airlines at the time of the crash. He was never a PSA employee.
Heidihrh 3 years ago
David Burke he's a Motherfucking Cold Blood Killer who took down a BAe-146 of that Airline
Skybolter 2 years ago
No, I did not know that AJ is, '...a leading forefront expert on plane crash investigations.' Most likely because I wasn't aware that such a title exists. What is a leading forefront expert anyway? Is there a licensing exam in front of a body of experts before that title is bestowed upon those fortunate enough to be named...LEADING FOREFRONT EXPERTS. Must one register to become a leading forfront expert? What must I do to become a leading forefront expert? Are you a leading forefront expert?
tuohytpatrick 3 years ago
Actually it was just a rehtorical statement because AJ has a God Complex and thinks he knows all.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
Its the Alex Jones Algotithim.
"Its true, because I say so. I wouldnt say so, unless its true."
EdgemanLL2 3 years ago
"When planes crash into the ground, they NEVER leave more than a mile long debris field." -Alex Jones
AJ thinks he is soooooooooooo clever. Give me some reference for such a bold claim, cite a book or a magazine maybe, or even your own fear mongering website at least. C8, H10, N4, O2 =mytherapycoffee*com
tuohytpatrick 3 years ago
Don't you know AJ is the leading forefront expert on plane crash investigations.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
pt1gard: Not to mention that the intervals for the flight data are sparse, and with a altitude dropping flight path, the last recorded altitude still confirms the plane impacting, confirming the official story. FUUHH-AIL. Fail. Fail. Fail. Try again, moron.
Dertygian 3 years ago
hey shills
any serial numbers ID'd yet from the four planes??? what are there, over 100 parts minimum they could've recovered this info from alone ... maybe in that prearranged black smile in shanksville they mighta found just one along side the surviving red bandana and PASSPORT ID ... LMFAO
pt1gard 3 years ago
Hey gard don't forget the surviving frequent flier card, luggage, seats, etc.
Those innocent pasengers that lost their lives that day are bunch of shills aren't they?
Watching Gard debate is like watching him piss in the wind. I am sure it feels good to get it all out, but it always seems to fly back in his face. And he is just too dumb to realize it.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
hey KP, you are on duty for the paid shill trolls, thats great ... as far as the innocents that were killed (those numbers are sketchy at best, try phoning the plane victims instead of the building victims and see what happens--you see i actually investigate, you just shill) none of them were killed at any sites in the planes ... they were either #1 faked names, #2 taken somewhere and shot, or #3 put in 1 plane and crashed ... get outside the box. those tv tapes at the wtcs were mucked with
pt1gard 3 years ago
"try phoning the plane victims"
How can I "phone" victims? They are dead.
That ranks right up there with boxcutters boarding planes.
"none of them were killed at any sites in the planes"
I believe that renders you one of the most inconsiderate CT shills of all time.
Conragulations, you just crapped on every innocent victim of this terrible tragedy.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
again you are as dumb as they come, cant you think at all???? i assumed you would figure out I was alluding to "calling their living families," but like a typical shill you run and hide and play semantics so you can deflect your ignorance and lack of solid research unlike all truthers who possess that trait in spades ... how much you make a day shilling, cuz you sure cant have an office job .. LMAO
pt1gard 3 years ago
Fair enough, can you provide the audio tapes of yourself talking to the victims familes?
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
Hey gard maybe you can explain how the black box , FOUND IN THE PENTAGON RUBBLE, would prove that the plane flew over, hence carrying the black box away from the Pentagon, inside the invisible plane.
Do you need some googles buddy? Don't want to get pee in your eye.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
umm pally, they wont even share the fake black box contents they claim to have... and if you check there are divurgent gov. stories who found it and where (yes true people claim they found it inside and outside and at different times, hysterical huh?), now thats a snipe hunt that only your lying myth makers who scripted this soap opera could truly pen
pt1gard 3 years ago
"they wont even share the fake black box contents they claim to have... "
So you lied about what was on the black box. No surprise there.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
thats the joke, you doofus, if this was the black box how did flight 77 miss the pentagon by 400', geezus you are dense ... so which is it, they shared the info or gave false info, either way you lose, dumb shit ... my gawd, the shills need some brain panacea LMAO
pt1gard 3 years ago
"how did flight 77 miss the pentagon by 400'"
Can you point me in the direction of the eyewitnesses who attest to seeing the plane fly over the Pentagon? DC is an extremely large city and during morning rush hour it would have been witnessed by hundreds, if not thousands.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago 2
Also can you souorce the site where you got your black box info from. You'll have to excuse if I don't believe your personal opinion of what the black box provides as I highly doubt you are skilled in reading the contents of the black box.
Basically I am asking for the site which you read and swallowed this garbage from.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
"pandoras black box flight 77," its been posted here many times magoo, do some diligent research ... you guys kill me, we always have to hand lead you to water bc otherwise youd get hit by a bus ... remarkable how cretin these shills are
pt1gard 3 years ago
Does that include the audio of your phone calls to victims families?
Does it also include a link to hundreds maybe thousand of eyewitnesses who saw the plane fly over the Pentagon?
I am asking for evidence of your claims for which you are refusing to provide.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
oh now you are pilot now, eh, derty shill ... maybe go until the pilots for truth site and tell them you know more than they do .. what a troll you are ... just like every shill you toss out garbage and expect sheep to follow you ... prob is truth is on our side and why cant you find anyone to debate us anymore on radio? call in and find someone to appear on herzog or barretts show ... hey you think the popular mechaincs shill davin coburn held his own with goyette??? lmao
pt1gard 3 years ago
"go until the pilots for truth site and tell them you know more than they do"
Argumentum ad verecundiam - a recognized LOGICAL FALLACY where a person uses their own (or in some cases someone else's) "authority, knowledge, or position" to establish their statements or arguments as truth, or otherwise accurate.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
you are equivocating, peabrain, and everyone sees it, go tell the pilots they dont know their territory bc you choose to shill and be a patsy for your beloved bush/cheney cabal, what a joker ... cui bono, wuss nuts :)
pt1gard 3 years ago
goog PANDORAS BLACK BOX FLIGHT 77
it never fails to make official story sheep wet their pants Pilots for 911truth presents its first full documentary based on the American 77 Flight Data Recorder as provided by the NTSB following the full flight in real time as it happens in the air traffic system on Sept. 11, 2001.
pt1gard 3 years ago
"it never fails to make official story sheep wet their pants"
Yikes. gard revealed his gay fetish.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
yeah the pandoras vid always leaves the shills at a loss for words so they go to the trite homophobic ad hominem ...
very mature, KP, watch it and get back to me shilly :) flight 77 misses the pentagon by more than a fball field, proof you will never see in your precious lying MEDIA controlled universe
LMAO
pt1gard 3 years ago
ashcroft told not to fly and hadnt for ages ... babs olson?????????? you sure go mum on that boxcutter back story LMAO
pt1gard 3 years ago
Gard, did you ever notice you can't stick to one subject?
You must have troofer turrets.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
hey liar shill, how bout goyette just destroying your POPULAR MECHANICS ace, and again, lloyd engalnd and babs, thats right shilly, duck and cover LMAO
pt1gard 3 years ago
how many vet pilots have you heard say they coulda done what amateurs did LMAO... go to pilots for the truth, go listen to all sorts of vids and interviews of vet pilots who would laff in your shill face ... the light polls, LMAO, flight 77 never came that way and flew 400' above the pentagon according to your lying gov. heroes in the FOIA they released of the flight recorder ... you have nothing shilly, bring it on LMAO
pt1gard 3 years ago
hey you wanna debate forever, bring it on ... babs olson LMAO lloyd england LMAO ... BUSH staying in the classroom after andy card told him tower two was hit LMAO ... military pilots laughing about odds of a cessna flunky flying those paths LMAO ... PASSPORTS poppping up at shanksville and WTCS LMFAO ... 7/7 and 9/11 same MOs, LMAO!!!! you guys are flunkies, shills, LIARS, and just evil people lmao
pt1gard 3 years ago
Evidence like passports do survive sometimes. There was debris from lifejackets and other misc. items on the tops of other buildings after impact. 1771 they talked about finding items like that. What was bush seriously suppose to do, he stayed calm. He couldn't have ran out of there crazy scaring adding more confusion to the mix. Military pilots and real pilots agree that he flew the plane like shit. He didn't land it, he just lined it up into a building. Landings the hard part, Idiot.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
lmao you idiot, passports survived, take your hero shill mark roberts and bring him on any radio debate, my pal vinnie asked him to go to hall of records and he wet like you are doing ...
pt1gard 3 years ago
Yes, passports did, so did a bunch of other things. That happens at plane crashes all the time. By the way, watched the video, your dude IS A ANOTHER COMPLETE IDIOT just like Alex Jones. Their all just trying to make a name for themselves. Another thing, PM is trying to argue the facts, your idiot, pure truther speculation. Meaning, why argue with an idiot who is so set in his mind that his way is right?
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
another lie perpetuated by the shills ... miltary pilots tried simulating hanis and attas paths and went 0/10 hitting the same targets ... planes cant fly 5' off the pentagon lawn and leave it pristine, but these are facts you shills dont want to address ... bush staying calm? LMAO ask any security agent if protocols werent shattered that day ... a prez gets whisked, shilly, they did it at the white house that day to lesser lights .. hey how bout willie brown being told not to fly on 9/11 LMAO
pt1gard 3 years ago
Negative, you see flight simulators will crash you due to safetly codes. Simulating and actually doing are two different things. Did you forget the fact that they hit a bunch of light poles and also it a generator moving it. Not a light little honda one either. Willie brown, all bs. More truther BS. If you can't bring up real evidence than speculation, it's no sense in even arguing. Your can't bring up real evidence, physical especially, then you can't prove your point. It's over bud.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
SO until we can move on, you need to provide credible answers to these 8 points of interest from which you have rambled on about, but provided no evidence or facts for.
I am sure that is asking a lot and you would just rather insult, name call and muddy the water more by continually shifting goalpost.
You are predictable.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
GArd, I have compiled a short list of your claims, blatant lies, cherrypicking and straight up stupidity. You have yet to answer to these:
1. "Box cutters boarded planes" - How can innanimate objects baord planes?
2. WTCs collapsed in "9 and 11 seconds" - Freefall is 9.2s so your one time is impossible, no matter what method was used.
3. "pyroclastic clouds" - Apparantly WTCs were built on an active volcano.
contd.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
4. "117 eye witness testimonies in the ny times by the fdny saying the wtcs were not what the official story claims" - You refused to link to these which renders them made up?
5. "linclon log house" - Apparantly the WTCs are comparable to a "linclon log house?"
6. "the fuel could not trickle down the elevators" - So the eleveators were completely closed off and indestructible?
7. "i can call you a liar and names" - After numerous bitching about being called names.
contd.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
8 Supposed "basement bombs" for no apparant reason from a guy who has changed stories more than once. -
Funny the only so called "evidence" of basement bombs comes form a guy who changed his stories. No explosions seen. Basement bombs were useless as the building fell from top down. Explosions well before collapse? Demolition doesn't work that way. Simply put, basement bombs were unecessary, useless, not credible witnessed nor profived any use whatsoever in the collapse of the WTCs.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
Not to mention, Many core columns were still standing after the entire collapse and had to be cut to be removed during cleanup.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
There is a great photo of the North Tower collapse taken from above showing the whole core standing before collapsing itself.
GenCrazyIvan 3 years ago
it's on one of RKOWEN4's videos. I think it was the no freefall speed one. Not sure
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
yup! Also seen in a few other videos as well. At least 70 stories of the core was standing (the "Spire") and it was seen over the WTC7 after the initial collapse.
GenCrazyIvan 3 years ago
RK is one hell of a debunker.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
He's a good man. Lots of intelligence behind it.
GenCrazyIvan 3 years ago
That and he knows how to look up real answers to question instead of just assuming.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
ANSWSER SOME QUESTIONS, where do you get your news???? fox or cnn LMAO, .... folks do your own research, dont let bully shills like streak sway you, the facts cant be toppled ... none of his neocon lying pals will venture onto any radio programs and argue the official story anymore ... you tube their prime POPULAR MECHANICS researcher DAVIN COBURN going up against CHARLES GOYETTE where he gets his ass handed to him ... COMMENT ON THAT, SHILLS!!! you cant, case closed LMAO
pt1gard 3 years ago
You have the entire internet infront of your face, idiot. Look up shit yourself, don't look up something that other people say they looked up and call it true. That is what you idiot truthers do. PM debated Loose change directly, Mark roberts goes directly to ground zero and debates you idiots. Just because an idiot throws out a bunch of BS and your truthers "THINK" the other guys is getting his ass kicked, Maybe the other guy can't dumb himself down far enough to debate. LOL
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
Gard, I said you would avoid your questions and called you predictable.
And how do you answer.
You avoided the questions thereby rendering yourself predictable.
Good work buddy!
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
watch?v=6Wzn1gBgPEo&feature=related
tune in, shill
pt1gard 3 years ago
or this one shilly,
watch?v=w-0Ms7mId34
pt1gard 3 years ago
hey shill,
are you this guy in cap, LMAO
watch?v=_nVFWevtIyk
pt1gard 3 years ago
hey sucker, chew on this ...watch?v=7Zh2j_g9wJQ
pt1gard 3 years ago
That video was weak. The video shows two different angles, one still and the other fuzzy and at a steeper angle from a moving Chopper. The one from the chopper had the freaking water in the background and again the chopper was moving while filming. Even the reporters talk about seeing another plane hit the towers. This is nothing more than Junk. ANother junk video link that is completely rediculous. Suck on that, idiot.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
yeah as weak as your neocon shilling, pally ... just proves the media was in on it ... dyk 96% of the media is jew/zionist owned, connect the dots, dolt :)
pt1gard 3 years ago
That's what you do isn't it? Try to connect the dots; but when dots are missing, throw in some extras and call them evidence too.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
aww did i hurt your naive suckered ass? were you proud of accomplishing exactly what in iraq ... go listen to your non brainwashed bretheren who have come to senses and admit in great detail how messed up the iraq joke is, how murder is encouraged, how evil goes on all the time ... how stupid could you be to hoist a gun like a mk-ultra slave and go fight for BUSH'S LIES ... arent you proud to know you were used??? get help, even tho you are an idiot, i hope you didnt gulp any DU
pt1gard 3 years ago
Wow, we don't rely on the weak comments of the weak soldiers who couldn't hack it and lost their minds. Murder doesn't go on all the time, we get in serious trouble for that. How stupid could you be to not be able to even know what the hell your hero has said. Your just as big a slave as I am, only difference, I'm not a slave to fear like you. Your scared of the real world; this is why you hate our government. You simply don't know any better. Yes, bad shit happens, but this is retarded.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
It's also funny how you preach about fear. Idiots like you are too scared to say that shit to the face of the soldiers so you hide behind your computers. Even if we wouldn't do anything, you are still scared.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
wr has gone on record enough to know what happened, you for some polluted reason, believe his gov. ... so one elevator ran down to first floor, what about the basement, do you know which elevator sucked up the modicum of fuel that was left, where it was located etc? i thought not, shill/liar trying to grasp straws ... LMAO ... answer my question, you swallow 100% the bush cheney official story, quit dodging, i am anxious to see you go on record admitting that laugh track
pt1gard 3 years ago
Actually, it did run to the basement. Also, during the impact some elevators were noted to have been released and fallen. Where is your proof of any arguement you have laid forth. I have given sources, I have shown you your lies, and it's obvious you don't try to debunk yourself and do some real investigating (research is a truther term to me). Your the one hitting straw man arguements only to have them backlash. Where's your proof? I'm ready to debunk more of it.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
911stories(.)googlepages(.)com/wtcelevatorshafts
911stories(.)googlepages(.)com/insidethenorthtower%3Awitnessaccounts%2Clobb
GenCrazyIvan 3 years ago
you are right mr sammo, nice to see a non shill in this debate ... WR is down to earth, kind hearted man, who was a true hero that day, saving many lives ... streak calls him a lowly janitor, but will call all the people his gov. murdered HEROES, like all shills do, not wanting to DISHONOR their deaths ... what a farce people like him are, so transparent and pathetic to keep the official sheep story rolling ... no one who looks into it believes a word unless they are being paid like him ...
pt1gard 3 years ago
Then, his story went from 1 to 2 seconds, he then claimed 6 to 7 seconds. Second thought, had Willy ever heard an explosion before? Is the building shaking making him think it's under his feet. Tell me, if the building was shaking, what part of the body would feel it first, YOUR FEET. In a steel building, an explosion can sound like it came from anywhere. Trust me on this. I thought my room got hit with an RPG once in IRAQ, the hit actually came from the other side of the building.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
oh so now i get it, streaking, you were one of the suckers who went to iraq, sniff any DU, shoot or rape any innocent children? what do you accomplish, what a rube.
wmd, lmao, powell slickered your ass didnt he, just like he lied in MY LAI in NAM. only a stooge would go fight in iraq, what do you think you are doing there, chasing al qaeda, a base the cia created. you slay me, shill streaker :)
usa has murdered one million there, displaced 3 million, arent you proud to be part of that?
pt1gard 3 years ago
Wow, I see I'm talking to an idiot. What have you done today? Sat on your ass and eat cheetos? As a matter of fact, I am very proud I fought. However, I'm not proud of the common misconception that idiots like you have. It's obvious you don't know anything about the world outside your television so let me end this by saying, you have the right to your opinion, you also have the right to try to back your opinion with actual knowledge. Which,knowledge of even your own hero you lack.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
bam! exposed a liar, streak ... WR was invited to the white house and decorated a hero, but once he wouldnt lie for the neocons plot, he was silenced in major media .. show me where he said "rumble," he says LOUD EXPLOSIONS! everytime i ever heard him speak ... again streak, you are a frightened shill and retreating, its ok, langley will still sign your checks for a web troll
pt1gard 3 years ago
WR heard the water pumps being taken out by the neocons.
MrSammo1 3 years ago
Yeah, that's why they had water before the collapse and were trying to run lines up to the firemen. They had no water when they were fighting building 7 and 5. That's why they blazed for so long, the collapse of the towers took out the water mains.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
World Trade Center Elevator
Search that, dude goes from the first or second floor all the way to the 107th floor. He even looks around at NY with the camera, totally not edited. And hold on, I have another video for you to look up.
William Rodriguez - Inconsistencies, Lies, Truth
Man I wish they paid my ass. Besides he says a second or two before the plane hit, heard an explosion, he thought it was a generator. How the hell did he know when the plane hit.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
so what ur now saying, with 90% of the fuel expired outside the building, the fuel would have to all find that one elevator, and then catch on fire and blow up the generator ... so how did WR say it happened b4 the plane hit, were you there, have you talked to him ... those vids can be doctored, i have heard him over and over say it was a BOOM! explosion period not some rumble, try again shill ... so let me ask you, do you swallow all of the 9/11 official story? lmao, BABS OLSON, pally
pt1gard 3 years ago
Negative, it's his own words. He even said that on fox. You said the elevators didn't run the height of the building, well they do, LIAR. Willy thought a generator blew, I didn't, he did. He in fact says it happened before the plane hit. Again, how did he know? Your the one that doesn't even know what your own idol said. It's not doctored when it shows him telling the whole story straight through. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
Great, he was decorated, he's still human. A book can make an uneducated janitor alot of money. Ever thought of that? People stretch the truth everyday to get what they want or need. He was not silenced on major media, not even close.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
umm streak, the pilots for the truth have flown every kind of plane under the sun (you are guessing now and backpedalling and scared, its ok, they pay you to bully)...
umm, streak, with the FOIA they took the 9/11 gov. flight recorder and PROVED the altimeter was mucked with and flight 77 flew 400' over the pentagon ... google: pandora's black box, flight 77
learn the truth and quit shilling, you are exposed ... and please answer my questions, you hide like all sheep :)
pt1gard 3 years ago
"flight 77 flew 400' over the pentagon "
Yikes, must have been invisible.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
doofus, streak, have you ever listened to WR speak ... i have a dozen times ... he says the first explosion BLEW HIS ASS UPWARDS ... then a lil bit later BOOM, a loud crash from above, meaning the plane ... where did this explosion come from in the basement???? the fuel could not trickle down the elevators, they werent joined
pt1gard 3 years ago
I have also heard him change his story from a loud rumble to an explosion. Bam, loss of credibility right there. If there was an explosion in the basement of the magnitude that he claims, how the fuck is he still alive? Why place charges on the bottom when it was very, very evident the collapse began at the weakened impact area of the building. Out of all the probably thousands of people that worked in the lower part of the building, did only 1 uneducated janitor come out with this story?
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
He cant answer that question. Why? Well, you cant fix stupid.
GenCrazyIvan 3 years ago
LOL. I've asked that question numerous times and he has never answered. Just straw manned and danced around it. It's amazing, it's so simple.
streakingcameraman 3 years ago
Come on you debunkers. This is no place for logic. Troofers cannot understand you unless you are talking in logical fallacies, half-truths, lies, etc.
Logic has no place in a debate with a troofer. It's like trying to teach a 5 year old quantum physics. Their brains cannot comprehend it.
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago
For all you truther $heeple who've been reading my comments for the past year, the NIST report corroborates what I've been saying. One thing you morons have proved over and over again is how desperate you are to get the last word. If you enjoy posting meaningless comments, be my guest. If you're up for a serious debate, then try to challenge crackfukker aka the "Mohamed Ali" of debunking.
crackfukker 3 years ago
crax, they have the police doing an audio countdown for building 7 ... like oswald in new zealand, the press also has a priori knowledge on 7 going down before it does, any thoughts?
pt1gard 3 years ago
@pt1grad
"crax, they have the police doing an audio countdown for building 7"
Prove it.
jpbalkenende 3 years ago
its online, heard it many times... i was jiving you on your dvd "mentality," get outside the box.... so lets hear your version of bush/cheney/rockefellers/bankers story??? the boxcutter allusion was beyond your grasp, now i explained it so quit ducking, lets hear what you think, equivocator, you are like all of them, call names and dont explain your POV bc its preposterous and you are a paid shill
pt1gard 3 years ago
"i was jiving you on your dvd "mentality," get outside the box...."
LOL... What? That's all you truthers do watch videos on google video!
Why on earth must people like yourself give us your misleading summaries of events we all know in detail?
Tell me why couldn't they hijack airplanes with box cutters.
"paid shill" this is why nobody takes morons like yourself seriously. I almost pitty you.
jpbalkenende 3 years ago
"call names and dont explain your POV bc its preposterous and you are a paid shill "
It's not often you find a troofer who complains about namecalling and then name calls all in the same sentence. Classic!!!
KnowledgeIsPowr 3 years ago 2
proof, KP, kinda like ted olson lying about his wife babs calls??? do some homework.
as for you, jp, misleading? how old are you? you watch fox news or cnn? where do you get your facts? off tv, time mag, LMAO
let me ask both you shills this, why cant you find a syllable on iraq war anymore on tv, been silent for a year. a million innocents killed by your heroes. 96% of media owned by zionist/jews.
where are the woodward and bernsteins? check into mena, operation ajax, gladio, etc
pt1gard 3 years ago
"as for you, jp, misleading? how old are you? you watch fox news or cnn? where do you get your facts? off tv, time mag, LMAO"
I'm not even an American you fucktard. The Iraq war is yours not mine.
"where are the woodward and bernsteins?"
You'd call them shills if they were doing their work today.
"96% of media owned by zionist/jews"
Just shut the hell up already moron.
jpbalkenende 3 years ago
so why are you ducking my question on your version, how did you come to believe what you did? CNN/FOX LMAO... graze on sheep
pt1gard 3 years ago
pt1gard: All I hear is BAA BAA from the Sheep known as the Truthers.
Dertygian 3 years ago
Don't your eyes prove it?
Or.....don't you understand what you see?
MrSammo1 3 years ago
@Sammo
My eyes prove that none of the truther 'evidence' hold up to the tiniest bit of crutiny. For example the free fall speed bullshit.
jpbalkenende 3 years ago
So you actually believe that gravity can vaporize 1,017 people?
MrSammo1 3 years ago
MrSammo1: Vaporize is a misnomer. You fail, dumbass. A ton of concrete would very easily disintergrate a human body. Now just use addition to make that several thousand tons and there you have it. Moron.
Dertygian 3 years ago
wheres all the concrete? it turned to dust. kerosene-based fuel burned at half the heat it takes to MELT steel, yet 2 months later the basements of the wtcs looked like a foundaries, molten metal everywhere. the girders where shanghaied to china by the liar giuliana. nasa took overhead infared pics that proved the heat far exceeded what the kerosene couldve generated.
william rodriguez, last man out, heard explosions going off in the basement b4 the
2nd tower was hit.
them da facts :)
pt1gard 3 years ago
@pt1gard
"wheres all the concrete? it turned to dust. kerosene-based fuel burned at half the heat it takes to MELT steel"
There where hundreds of thousands of tons of concrete at the site what did they clean up there for all those years? Steel never melted on sept 11, the steel was cut up by rescue workers in the days after YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT!
pt1gard YOU WERE NOT EVEN BORN before 9/11. Again you are full of shit! If someone gave you an enema they could burry you in a matchbox.
jpbalkenende 3 years ago