افشاگري احمد باطبي در مورد شكنجه در زندانهاي ج ا

[MargBarRoosieh]

Where is Batebi now? Is he realeased or is he still in prison?

Marg bar Roosieh!!!

Marg bar Putin!!!

[Shiva250]

Nabood bad jomboriye eslamiye akhoondiye zoorarki.

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[archermood]

Kiram tu dahaneh Khameni. Khamenei va ahmadinejad har doshoon bian Kiramo bokhoran, ina be pedar madar va haroomzadeh hastan va az Sheytoon omadan. Kiram to dahaneh dokhtareh Khameni. Ridam to amammeh khameni. Marg Bar Islamic Republic. Marg bar Khameni koshkesh. Kiram to danaheh harchi Akhooneh. Shahdiam tu ghabr khomeini. Hameh akhonda child molester hastand. Koriam tu risheh sefide khamenei.

[rsafaye]

ridam tu ruhe khasteye rahbar va ru jesme alilesh

[chaharlang]

lanate bar in jomhoriye akhondi!

[SirDelavan]

احمد باطبی دانشحو نبود. تو خوابگاههای دانشگاه تهران مفت میخورد و میخوابید

بچه شهرستانیه بی پدر مادر بود هارتو پورت کرد از رو شکم سیری

[parandehdarya]

KirDelavan, kireh gav too kooneh baba bozorgeh jakeshet...haroom zadeh...

[SirDelavan]

nanato gaiidam

[EZEEEIR]

حقیقت  گفتی

:/

[mytwinsboy]

جیره خورها نمی تونن ببینن موقعیتشون به خطر می افته؟

[flame3862]

ajab ablahi hastee SIR DELAVAN  nakoneh to shekanjegaresh boodi

[reza4]

bah bah cheghadr iranee ha ba adab hastand hechvaght is keer ve koos va shashedan harfee nemezanand baryeh inke ma PERSIAN hasteem

vatan frooshee ham yek had va hesabee dareh

[SirDelavan]

درود بر خمینی

مرگ بر منافق

[fuckislamandquran]

kirdelavan kire kolofte sagam ta daste to kose zano bachat khali bande madar jende ridam be ghabre hame morde hat abe kire sagam milimeter,milimeter to ostokhoonaye hame morde hat kire sagam to daste cholaghe rahbaret kire sagam to roohe imam zaman kire sagam to chah jamkaran abe kire sage israeli to halghe zano bachat.dome pashmalooye sagam to koone pesaret hahhahahah kiram be 12 imamet kiram to dinet kiram to islamet bache kooooooni mozalef hahhahah

[parandehdarya]

kir khar to halgh nanah bozorgeh dahatit...

[moshiwow]

ahmade bateniye lajan / kesafat az saro soratet mibare madar ghahbe

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az ghiyafeye ki## malome ke az on adamye hoghe baze ashghal hasti

ksafat

[moshiwow]

شاشیدم تو اون روح رضا پهلوی دیوس :))

[nadermasri]

moshiwow,

ShaShidam To Kosse Madaret, Dayoos.

[moshiwow]

man shashidam to on rohe nanat ke toye bi pedar madaro pass endakh 

lashi e dayous :))

[aliaahwazi]

کس مادرتون که ايرانو خرا ب کرديد. کس مادر رژيم آخوندی.

[moshiwow]

ali ali engahdar iran iran mikoni farhang harf zadan nadari ahmagh to liyaghate iran ro nadary bi shore bo ro ....be darak bi khanevade

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[aliaahwazi]

Eih, To Farhange Harf Zadan dari???

Kee bood deerooz foh-sh dad be shaheh azizeman Ba kalamateh Bad, Hala to Az Farhang harf MEEZANI??? Ahmagh, age harfi dari dorost begoo. Khastam behet befahmoonam ke ma ham foh-sh dadan baladeem.

[aliaahwazi]

moshiwow,

Looks like you did not read my message correctly, read again dayyoos,

ShaSheedam To Kosse Madaret, Dayoos.

[Mani1673]

In koskesho ke dashtan mikoshtan tu zendan,hala omade amrica tabligh baraye reghim.kunde az manam sare haltare

[aliaahwazi]

Madar Sagh. Koja Barayeh Nezam Tabligh Kardeh, Bache kooni?

کس مادر رژيم آخوندی.

[pouyawicky]

reza joon manam mishnasamesh man khodam zurich khune daram man o dostham yekshanbeha miad nafari ye dor kos behemun mofti mide nemidonestam jasose in dafe omad mikonimesh abemonam mirizim tosh mindazimesh to shomine o baedesh chalesh mikonam kharkosdaro.

[rezachalesh]

این کسی که اینجا به اسم بيتا5447 کامنت داده اسم اصليش طاهره يوسفی هست و خودشو جديدن داروساز معرفی ميکنه که دروغ ميگه و ماموره رژيم آخوندی در سويس هست.

[rezachalesh]

اکثر ایرانيان مقيم در سويس این کثافتو ميشناسند. بين چندين خانواده ایرانی و جمع دوستان رو به هم زده. در يک کلام جاسوس و خبرچينه رژيم آخوندی !!!

[ukramtin]

درود به شرفت احمد باطبی

رضا پهلوی شاهنشاه آریامهر افتخار منه وقتی پادشاه من خودش رو به رای مردم واگذار میکنه ... این بزرگترین افتخار اندیشه آزاد

ما است

[jawidiran1976]

dar iran-e abad-o azad-e farda hamjens baz ha az hoghoogh-e ensani barkhordar khahand bood!

dar iran-e emrooz hichkas az hoghoogh-e ensani barkhordar nist! farghi nemikonad ba ki

seks dari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!

[jawidiran1976]

mafhoom-e yek ensan-e waghe-i in ast ke be hame ehteram begozarad.lazem nist ba aan gorooh ham aghide bashad. mafhoom-e demokrasi hamin ast .kasani ke be digaran ehteram nemigozarand YA mafhoom-e demokrasi ra nemidanand YA nemikhahand bedanand.dar hal-e hazer moshgel-e jame-eye ma in ast ke kheily ha bar tabl-e mayi-o mani mikooband wa watanparastan-e wagheii ra mottaham mikonand.YARAN-E aziz hadaf-e ma nejat-e mam-e watan ast.payande iran-o irani. jawid IRAN .jawid shah!!!!

[cilrvo]

I'm sorry for you. what's your problem with hemosexuals?

[bita5447]

I do not have any problem with the HEMOSEXUALS,because it does not exist!!I would mean bloody sexual!!:)i have written Homosexual.I do not speak against homosexual,but i am asking about the Guy,who changes his clothes because of profit!he could wear his own clothes and speak for the Kord,arab,jew,pars......

[jawidiran1976]

Taghdim be ahmad-e batebi wa digar azadikhahan-e watanparast: ''mojim ke asoodegi-e ma adam mast ma zende bedanim ke aram nagirim"

[ArashMonzaviKia]

مرگ بر جمهوری اسلامی

[jawidiran1976]

bravo!

I do think so!

[vatankha]

There are many people who spent years in prisons, do Iranians have to condone their ill fated policy or their wrong actions because they endured prison terms or they were tortured.

Example Ayat Khamenai, Rafsanjani, Massoud Rajavi (he was condemned to death by Shah), Abbas Millani. etc where are they now.

[illhumpurmom]

well, these examples aren't correctly used in comparison to Batebi. they are all political leaders who seeked power and governing positions from the beginning

but Batebi has announced, over and over, that he's not at all skilled in the field of leadership. he has begged ppl "do not make a hero of me, as i am only an imprisoned student like many others, no more no less"

he wants to be a follower, not a followed one.

[ArashIrani]

It is affront to students' movement that any students who claim to be fighting freedom and democracy in Iran get material support from US government which overthrew its democratically elected government Dr Mossadegh financed Saddam Hussein to invade Iran, currently according The New Yorker's Seymour Hersh United States conducting clandestine operations within Iran? US has shown ill intention towards the Iranian people in the past 50 years .

[BabakKhoramdeen]

I agree 100%.

Now the enemy of our people the same power who caused so much misery and suffering to our people, and interfered in our internal affairs removed our democratically elected government of Dr Mossadegh installed its puppet like Shah , trained Shahs' SAVAK to torture our freedom loving people and our students

This hated US Imperial power now shedding tears for our students, and trying to buy some of them to its camp for future usage, Like Fakharvar, Mohammadi, Atari etc.

[illhumpurmom]

ok, first of all, let's have a joyful debate instead of getting lippy here! i tried using the words such as "elementary" instead of "dumb". and i did not put words in your mouth, those were actually my words which described my understanding of your comment.

anyhow, you mentioned "NO TRUE IRANIAN STUDENT LEADER" u're generalizing, simply ignoring the fact that he has sacrificed 9 years of his youth in fighting against human-right-abuse issues. yet you are saying he is no true student leader!

[BabakKhoramdeen]

No true Iranian student leaders end up in VOA works for US agencies

After what US done in the past 50 years to Iran and Iranian democratic movements specially after the coup against Dr Mossadegh by CIA

[illhumpurmom]

your logic is very elementary and empty! the US terrors should not be denied, but that doesn't make a whole country evil, nor does it outlaw immigrating to that country for protection!

[BabakKhoramdeen]

VOA is the instrument of US government to propagate US policy and put US interest above even the American people.

Majority of US citizens are against war in Iraq, and they have many issues with their own their Government , American people were lied to by their Governments in the past, and deeds of US governments in the past 50 years around the world should be good examples to those who blindly following so called US policy and betraying their own people.

[BabakKhoramdeen]

I never said "whole country evil", Mr Logical don't put words in my mouth.

On the contrary I respect the American people; there are many Iranian patriots and Americans who do not appear on VOA Persian, because they don't agree with US policy.

VOA Persian has been highjacked by the bunch of nasty Iranian right-wingers from the Shah dictatorship like Baharloo, who won't let the opposing views aired.

[illhumpurmom]

but, u're partially correct about "no true leader", since he has repeatedly announced that he does not have any intentions in participating in leadership roles. he has clearly stated that leadership is not in his field of profession.

lastly, VOA, whether politically correct or wrong, is a powerful network to help Ahmad Batebi have his voice heard; the voice in which he demonstrates the details of political corruption in IRI, along with the story many others who cannot speak for themselves

[illhumpurmom]

...speak for themselves. this is the game of politics, EVEN if you're opinion was true (VOA=immoral), u cannot criticize Batebi for stretching his political muscles to have his voice heard.

VOA is so far the only media network I have seen (outside iran) that correctly SPEAKS FARSI!(unlike all other foreign farsi network) they do not use improper brutal language towards the IRI(like mujahedeens do). and they are far more knowledgable than any other useless commercial-ad driven farsi network.

[illhumpurmom]

I enjoy this political debate. i respect your opinion and challange you to continue. i believe whether or not one of us convinces the other, this conversation promotes interest towards our country's political knowledge.

cheers...babak (if thats ur actual name)

[BabakKhoramdeen]

illhumpurmom

Listen you better watch what you are writing and stop being so cocky, you are the one started by saying "my logic is very elementary and empty!" because I am defending the great students movement and paying homage and respect the fallen comrades and express my opinions about those who are trying to tarnish the image of such a great movement.

[illhumpurmom]

babak: Listen u better watch what ur writing & stop being so cocky

last time i checked, a COCKY person was described to have the similar tone as urs.

ur comment is still vague. i'm not interested in hearing "i'm voicing my opinion". i want to hear the opinion itself. what IS ur opinion? what is your response to all the facts i wrote you?

babak: I am defending the great students movement and... (who cares? completely irrelevant to the argument)

respond to the facts i mentioned earlier, cunt!

[BabakKhoramdeen]

Dr Amir Parviz Pooyan, Rezi, Saeed Mohsen and many students or ex students some died under torture and majority of those were released stood by their beliefs and continued their struggles for freedom inside Iran or if they left Iran never got any support from foreign powers. Those who either collaborated with Shah or others powers considered as traitors like Prviz Nikkhah

[BabakKhoramdeen]

No true student's leaders in the past 50 have ever betrayed the principle of students' movements and have collaborated with their enemies like Shah , Sheikh or any foreign powers. That is the unwritten charter of Iranian students' movement

[BabakKhoramdeen]

I think we better step back and read the history of students' movement. Our students in the past 50 years have made huge scarifies for freedom and democracy in Iran and continue to do so

[BabakKhoramdeen]

Iranian students movement started 16 Azar 1332, when Nixon US Vice President was visiting Iran after the CIA coup which removed the great nationalist Premier Dr Mossadegh from power and brought Shah back from exile. During the protest to his visit by the students, 16 Azar 1332 three students named Ashariat Razavi, Ghadnchi, and bozorgnia lost their lives at Tehran University

[illhumpurmom]

alright, i agree. great students did great things for our nation. BUT:

1) u can't call an olympian "NO TRUE ATHLETE" if she/he doesn't receive a gold medal. Batebi has spent 9 consecutive years under torture due to his own political will. u can't denounce him as NO TRUE STUDENT LEADER simply because he didn't end up getting killed like others.

2) during this era of Ahmadinejad's presidency, the Islamic Republic's functionality is divergent compared to all the previous years.

[illhumpurmom]

there is now a negligible amount of power-separation whithin the regime. they're unified, hence, r no longer bound by any restrictions. they abuse basic human rights FAR MORE OPENLY than the past 30 years. Their I.A. (SAAZMAAN ETTELAA'AAT) wipes off -as if the person never existed- any1 who appears as a threat to the regime. all this leads to my final point (which Batebi also referred to): "political movements inside Iran is no longer efficient for those whose faces are known by the IRI"

[illhumpurmom]

this is why Batebi and many like him -who do not have their name out in the media- are leaving/have left the borders.

3) if you ought to reach a moral goal, you act morrally. for a political goal, you think politics. you use any possible resource, even the ones which slightly contrast with your moral codes. Batebi wishes there were strong political sources with exact political views as him/me/u. but there isn't! thus he resorts to VOA (if you knwo a better Iranian media network let me know!)

[illhumpurmom]

same principal applies in dealing with the US. what I meant by "u presume whole country evil" was: strictly because of their terrors u can't turn away from them. they ARE the world's super power. if u wisely negotiate, u can benifit from their power and yet not allow them to harass u. Examples on the international level r most of the EU countries. yes, US terrors r countless, Mosaddeq's terror was only a tiny fraction of them, i agree. but this is a globalization era, nations r inter-dependent.

[BabakKhoramdeen]

Some of the statements you are making are incoherent and irrelevant what do you mean by "political movements inside Iran is no longer efficient for those whose faces are known by the IRI"

[BabakKhoramdeen]

There are many , many Iranians who are fighting for democracy and freedom inside Iran. They get tortured and incarcerated; when they are released they don't join the enemy camps

IR and US policies towards the Iranian people are two sides of the same coin.

Dr Nasser Zarfshan, spent 5 years in the regime dungeon, still lives in Iran and fighting for democracy. So is Oosanloo and others who are carrying the torch of freedom

[BabakKhoramdeen]

Road to freedom is long, hazardous and dicey , there are no bed of roses if some one start that journey must be prepared to pay the price. Otherwise enemies take advantage of his faint-heartedness and that person can causes more damage to the movement. The questions remains that Ahamed Batebi did not know that it was a plot by IR to discredit the students' movement by let him leave and go to US.

[BabakKhoramdeen]

The Iranian students have a long memory and immediately after Ahamed Batebi appeared on VOA the University of Rezaieh( Oroomai) in commemoration of 18 Teer and paid tribute to the fallen comrades, picked up the placards saying that "Students movement is not an American movement"

[illhumpurmom]

yes, there r men/women who've sacrificed alot during the past decade, WHAT NOW?! what exacly has changed since 1998-2008? let me see

human right abuses in iran have soared during this decade

our parliament used to be at least 30% fake-left winged(eslaah-talab) but now is almost 100% hardliner right winged

accorinding to the IR's own report, released last week, inflation is putting 14 million people under the poverty line (in reality over 20mill)that's more than 1.5times compared to 1998

[illhumpurmom]

3 rounds of UN sanctions and yet another one is on it's way

Isreal, the US and the UK are threatenning our nation towards a war

and of course, my favourite, we now have the most rediculous un-educated president in the history of IR, Mr. Ahmadinejad

should i continue or have i made my point?

"Road to freedom is long" newsflash Babak: this ISN'T the road to freedom, it hasn't been working,clearly, it hasn't been capable of stopping our nation from falling apart

[illhumpurmom]

this so-called student movement is in reality a national one, belonging to Iran as a whole. others might not be tortured in dungeons but are more or less in pain due to poverty and lack of freedom.

and to make this movement we NEED the US, the EU and every possible foreign agenda. the student you mentioned with the placard needs to wake up from her/his dream of isolation. this movement is NOT bound by students, it involves every Iranian and we need the joining of the voices.

[illhumpurmom]

we'll never have an Iran with a plain identical political view. A free Iran is when all classes of our society even including supporters of the IR and followers of shah, can come together and LEARN how to live WITH eachother and BY our foreign sources (i.e. US). it is wrong to push away all sources (VOA, US or any other Iranian or foreign source of power/support). politics is a monopoly of power, if you isolate yourself from other players because you don't agree with their attitute, u'll lose!

[BabakKhoramdeen]

US does what it wants Israel has 200 nuclear warheads

Iran cannot have nuclear energy Read Dr Etamad in Time a member of the Shah's deposed regime support the stance of the Islamic Republic in a confrontation with the West, there is widespread concern among Iran experts that the current Western strategy of demanding that Iran forego the right to enrich uranium"

The Americans, when they need the NPT, they talk about it; when they don't need it, they throw it away.

[BabakKhoramdeen]

You are mixing the issues up

The discussion was about the students and people who have sold the pass and collaborated with enemy.

You started talking about inflation and god know what else

These are common knowledge listen to Naser Zarfshan on site Chebayadkard

[illhumpurmom]

it's not a mix up, i'm opposing ur idea of "students and people who have sold the pass and collaborated with enemy"

u say we should continue what we started in the past, i brought u a list(98-08) and said NO! it hasn't been working.

u call it COLLABORATING with ENEMY (which u forbid), i call it USING/NEGOTIATING with OTHER POLITICAL PLAYERS (which i support)

u describe an isolated sphere which contains a certain group of students and political figures with their code of honor

[illhumpurmom]

if anyone puts one step outside this sphere, u yell FOUL! and call that person an outlaw (as u call Batebi NO TRUE STUDENT LEADER)

but MY proposal says: no more isolation, we need to unite in order to make a move. we need VOA, US, EU and so on. since these sources will not voluntarily offer their support, people like Batebi have to make them. but lots of ppl with ur type of mentality create separations and slow things down(don't mean to disrespect you in anyway, its only what i think)

[BabakKhoramdeen]

By the way we know the Regime's economic policy is in tatters and people are suffering. The way to solve the problems is not begging US or foreign powers to interfere in our internal affairs and dictate their policies like what they did during the Shah's regime. That is why Shah's regime collapsed, the way forward is Dr Mossadegh policy that Iran be independent.

استقلال - دموکراسی و عدالت اجتمأعی

[BabakKhoramdeen]

Negotiation YES, appeasement NO, if you have no objection to someone becomes a puppet, that is your belief

US wants puppets, like Ahamad Chalabi to sell American policy to the people we know what they did to Iraq

[illhumpurmom]

obviously, foreign powers won't act upon sympathy, but for their own benefits. of course they seek to install their puppets, and of course they thirst for our oil. well let them have it! at this point we do not have a better option. we want our freedom? that's the price. the path to freedom, as u said, is long. the priority is to take down the current regime to be able to breathe. THEN, in the preceding years, we'll work on our independence.

Dr. Mosaddeq's era was a different scenario

[illhumpurmom]

at that time we had only 10% of our current difficulties! SAAVAAK never got close to IR in abusing human rights. poverty wasn't at all a major issue. Shah never supported/trained terrorism as the IR is doing. our international relations was flawless

Mosaddeq pushed for independence because none of the above issues was a priority.

on a side note, since the revolution a great population of Iranians has immigrated to foreign countries.

[illhumpurmom]

yet even a greater population craves to immigrate, but they don't have the opportunity.

this means, a great deal of people would choose to live under pure foreign policies, work for them, pay them taxes, remove their Iranian assets(home, business) and install them in that foreign country. wouldn't it be better if they could stay in Iran, keep their assets in Iran, work for Iran, Pay Iranian taxes but live under Iranian policies which are "slightly" shifted by foreigners?

[vatankha]

Ok we managed to get to some points of agreements

The change must come within by the Iranian people

Dr Mossadegh was different era but his vision at that time was rule of law, democracy, freedom , independence and no to introversions from all foreign powers.

All of these still relevant today and the Iranian people appreciations are to fulfill the goals of the two revolutions Mashroutah and 79 .

Both were hijacked by anti-democrats and reactionary forces.

[illhumpurmom]

CORRECTO MUNDO!

there's a thin line between independence(which avoids being ruled) and isolation(unnecessarily avoiding useful political sources)

the point I've been trying to make is that Iranians should resort to any possible foreign/domestic resource(unifying theory) AS LONG AS THEY ARE CONSCIOUS ABOUT THE SOURCE'S POLITICAL VIEW! to illustrate this point: they SHOULD resort to VOA, US politics and others, but also SHOULD KNOW what governing-view each organization is following.

[illhumpurmom]

this enables us to use their power until a change-in-regime, but not to over-empower them subsequently.

take 79 revolution for instance. if Hezb-Toudeh, Hezb-Fadaeiyan, Mujahedeen Khalgh & Anjoman Eslami wouldn't share their power, the revolution wouldn't stand a chance!

reason for success = they didn't criticize/stand against each other

they all joined together, ALTHOUGH THEIR POLITICAL VIEWS WERE STRICTLY OPPOSING!

BUT, screw-up was when ppl, unknowingly, empowered Anjoman Eslami

[illhumpurmom]

the current fascism would've resulted irregardless of the party! we've seen how Mujahedeen turned out to be vicious and aggressive. Toudeh and Fadaiyan were calmer, but a communist Iran isn't what I want

ppl shoul've pictured the day, when one party gains absolute sovereignty. if they were educated, they would be capable of imagining this, and would keep the power equally devided between all parties.

same should be done to VOA and Foreign-driven sources, use them, as long as you know them

[zazar72]

Viva iran viva ahmadse batebi va jonbeshe daneshjoeie.nang be regime dictatore akhondi

[changiz123456]

فردا 18 تير است. ياد آور روزها پر دلهره دانشگاه. تهديد و تعليق و کتک خوردن. بيانيه پخش كردن و فرياد زدن و حس آزادی. حسی که اين روزها انگار مرده است.

[mazyar29]

marg bar regyme islami iran