I love Keith Olbermann and am a dyed-in-the-wool liberal but I think the idea of micro-chipping people is a VERY sinister idea - whether it's the "mark of the Beast" or not.
hmmmmm looks like only 2 people pressed the RIGHT button. Ronald Reagan said himself "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be one nation gone under."
@basketballcentral6 If America is a "Christian Nation", then it is also a "Women Nation" or a "White Nation". The US is a democratic nation which holds people of many beliefs and cultures. Reagan was one of the worst presidents there ever were. The Christian bible is just as violent and hatefilled as the Islamic Quran. We see what happens when a nation is run by a theocracy. It is oppressive, freedom denying, and abusive to all it's members. Religion is the very opposite of freedom.
It's not difficult to understand that the best way to control people is through economics. Implementing a chip in one's hand or forehead is a great way for the government to prevent someone from buying things if they don't behave like the government wants. It's pretty obvious how a government can easily abuse this but of course that is what the progressives and liberals are about...making people dependent so they can be controlled. Keith Olbermann is just being ignorant and condescending.
@CrimsunSword -You may have overlooked the most insidious method of, "people control". That, of course, is the method of capitalizing on the gullibilities, fears, superstitions and ignorance of the masses; i.e. religion. Once hooked, the addict is your catch yours as long as you can manipulate and expound upon that 1500 yr old collection of bronze-age fables.
upon reflection, after we inserted the words 'under God' into the pledge, our nation has been less effective and engaged in only more and more questionable military actions... likewise, we made it through WWII just fine, without any close relationship to Israel... i was unfortunate enough to suffer through a year of right wing indoctrination as a young man... so i know their story lines.., whats next? denying the pagan greek origins of the concept of democracy?
@CrimsunSword Godly in the way Spain forced the children to attend Catholic schools under beloved dictator Franco? "Godly" as in the "Gott mit uns" slogans of the nazis? glad you are in agreement about "Israel"... beings right wingers and christofascists love to link our nation to that one... claiming its ancient existence.... you sound like a very godly person... peace be unto thee!
Good point, "markofthebeasts", religion can and has been used for evil in the past.
Just like everything that was meant for good has been used for evil at one point or another. So should we quit driving cars, or creating governments because they have been used for evil. What is wrong with teaching children do to good unto others? You cannot even teach that in today's schools. Incidentlly, before it was conquered...Israel did exist...check your history.
"If we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play."
Michele Bachmann is four quarts short of a gallon. She's about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. If brains were taxed, then Bachmann would get a full rebate.
The Beast of Revelation certainly seems to reference an International Monetary Fund (IMF) type of system. Much like the "Creature from Jekyll Island" (Federal Reserve System). Can't buy or sell without the mark. Credit, which leads to debt, has become like a Cancerous Blob that keeps getting bigger and more destructive all the time to people, businesses and governments. Our current financial crisis has become "Beastly" and is growing even bigger and more dangerous just give it time fools!
nvsyru - You are absolutely right. And it doesn't necessarily have to be a literal mark on the hand or in the hand. It can simply be the credit card you swipe or your PIN number which you remember in your head. A metaphorical mark.
There was a Jewish uprising in 66AD. The Romans did not distinguish between Jew and Christian and expelled them all. John was one of those expelled, although it is widely accepted he himself did not write revelations but one of his pupils.
Most scholars believe that 666 refers to Roman Emperor Nero (whose name, written in Aramaic, can be valued at 666, using the Hebrew numerical value system.
Revolations is commonly accepted in historical context as referring to the Roman Empire.
...Specifically Roman Emperor Nero. Who had a passion for persecuting Christians, so much so he even poured oil on them and set light to them to light his garden parties.
Nero, fitted the bill of Antichrist to perfection. He was feared in a God like way. They believed he would return. Revelation was written at a time when the might of Rome was rising up to crush the Church, and when an Antichrist who was a reincarnation of Nero was expected to come.
For those that do not know, Nero committed suicide, he stabbed himself in the neck. Historians believe the seven heads refer to Emperors of Rome. The one with the mortal wound which had healed stands to reason is Nero returning from the dead to further persecute the Christians. Also Christians in this time were not long split from Judaism, and their homeland or holy Land, Jews were not a sea faring people so their perception was that enemies did rise out of the sea.
Historians are wrong. Read Revelation 17 if you want to understand what the sea means, it states there that waters are people and nations, so we are talking about the sea of people in the world, not a physical ocean as you have stated. Learn how to read more than simple snippets of information. One line of biblical text will no aid you in understanding the entire message. You need to study as the war with Persia (Iran) grows very near.
There is much more historical evidence that I have obviously written here, however it could be said that America and all associated with it, has modeled itself on Rome.
The Antichrist In historical terms pertains to Antiochus IV 215 BC; died 164 BC. Who was a villain & persecutor in the eyes of Jews , they called him the wicked.
Traditionally Antichrist was used to describe a collective, those which were against Judaism. It was not until Hippolytus c. 170-c. 236AD that this actually became viewed as a flesh and bones prophesy, yes he was the first. Since then it has been applied by Christians & Jews as if it were some truism of God. In short he invented it.
Thats nonsense, based on the doctrine of philosophy and the dialectic of reason (Colossians 2:8) and your comments are written in II Peter chapter 3. We will go to war with Persia (Iran), written in Daniel 7 through 11. There will be one world order Daniel 6, Revelation 13, 17. There will be a fake Christ or antiChrist, 2 Thessalonians 2, Revelation 11 and 13. The anti or fake Christ will deceive most of the people on the earth, Daniel 6 and Revelation 13.
didnt the evil republicans free the slaves? mabey if we didnt have republicans or the bible you would all be farm implements right now. Hmmm makes sense the democrats were once known as carpetbaggers seems fitting lol
yes many abolitionists where republicans but the freeing of the slaves clearly goes against the bible, which clearly states you may have slaves and also advises of how to only damage them in certain ways so they may continue to serve. you just cant hold the bible up as an exemplary code of conduct and then, simultaneously also use your protest against cruel and repugnant passages in it to demonstrate how moral you are. surely you see that is a logical fallacy?
Although some people would argue that the scriptures about slavery in the bible were descriptive and not prescriptive, that at the time they were written Slavery was an acceptable practice and the bible was trying to urge slave owners to treat their slaves with compassion and love and not the brutal force and cruelty that was done in the south for example
And that it was the abolitionists who knew the heart of the bible and spoke up against that injustice
Also I do belive that once Jesus came, the rules for believers changed radically we are now governed by the rule of love and the rule of truth as layed down my Jesus on the Sermon of mount for example.
The problem is many Christians are still living and practicing in an old testement frame of mind, one that says the ends justify the means, you can hate your neigbor, ect.
you are clearly a kind person trying to make your right and loving beliefs fit around the bible which you think is needed for a good society and is the one true path of salvation but, you are just saying "what the bible meant to say" which is really a euphemism for "what god meant to say" may i remind you of what Jesus himself (apparently) said.......
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
ANd what sums up the law and the prophets Matthew 22:36-40
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
That line alone convinves me that without love, you can't fully follow the law or the
"The term carpetbaggers was also used to describe the white northern REPUBLICAN politicians who came South, arriving with their travel carpetbags. Southerners considered them ready to loot and plunder the defeated South."
Freeing of slaves was in spite of the bible, not because of it!
"The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example."~Rev. R. Furman, D.D., Baptist, of S.C.
I also disagree with Keith on the bible being a "good" book. There is no quicker way to reach atheism than reading that filth. The god of the bible is so intensely repulsive.... killing innocent children and slavery advocacy is his nicer points.
The gov'ment's not implanting shit in my body, that's all I know.
Noromongrel 3 months ago
I love Keith Olbermann and am a dyed-in-the-wool liberal but I think the idea of micro-chipping people is a VERY sinister idea - whether it's the "mark of the Beast" or not.
Ellie49 8 months ago
hmmmmm looks like only 2 people pressed the RIGHT button. Ronald Reagan said himself "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be one nation gone under."
basketballcentral6 10 months ago
@basketballcentral6 If America is a "Christian Nation", then it is also a "Women Nation" or a "White Nation". The US is a democratic nation which holds people of many beliefs and cultures. Reagan was one of the worst presidents there ever were. The Christian bible is just as violent and hatefilled as the Islamic Quran. We see what happens when a nation is run by a theocracy. It is oppressive, freedom denying, and abusive to all it's members. Religion is the very opposite of freedom.
AvalonDraconis 8 months ago
@basketballcentral6 Yes, only two people pressed the button on the right by accident. Everyone else pushed the correct button.
shagoosty 8 months ago
the "MARK OF THE BEAST" is your social sercurity number!!!
your social security number is made pacfily for you!
do the DO THE NUMBEROLOGY on your SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!
marbaramerika 1 year ago
It's not difficult to understand that the best way to control people is through economics. Implementing a chip in one's hand or forehead is a great way for the government to prevent someone from buying things if they don't behave like the government wants. It's pretty obvious how a government can easily abuse this but of course that is what the progressives and liberals are about...making people dependent so they can be controlled. Keith Olbermann is just being ignorant and condescending.
CrimsunSword 1 year ago
@CrimsunSword -You may have overlooked the most insidious method of, "people control". That, of course, is the method of capitalizing on the gullibilities, fears, superstitions and ignorance of the masses; i.e. religion. Once hooked, the addict is your catch yours as long as you can manipulate and expound upon that 1500 yr old collection of bronze-age fables.
tracer740 1 year ago
@tracer740
I'm glad you made it clear what you were referring to because at first I thought you were talking about the teachers union. :-)
CrimsunSword 1 year ago
upon reflection, after we inserted the words 'under God' into the pledge, our nation has been less effective and engaged in only more and more questionable military actions... likewise, we made it through WWII just fine, without any close relationship to Israel... i was unfortunate enough to suffer through a year of right wing indoctrination as a young man... so i know their story lines.., whats next? denying the pagan greek origins of the concept of democracy?
markofthebeasts 1 year ago
@markofthebeasts
Duh..Israel was not formed until after WWII.
CrimsunSword 1 year ago
@markofthebeasts
We started getting into more questionable wars after we quit teaching our children Godly values in schools which began in 1962.
CrimsunSword 1 year ago
@CrimsunSword Godly in the way Spain forced the children to attend Catholic schools under beloved dictator Franco? "Godly" as in the "Gott mit uns" slogans of the nazis? glad you are in agreement about "Israel"... beings right wingers and christofascists love to link our nation to that one... claiming its ancient existence.... you sound like a very godly person... peace be unto thee!
markofthebeasts 1 year ago
@markofthebeasts
Good point, "markofthebeasts", religion can and has been used for evil in the past.
Just like everything that was meant for good has been used for evil at one point or another. So should we quit driving cars, or creating governments because they have been used for evil. What is wrong with teaching children do to good unto others? You cannot even teach that in today's schools. Incidentlly, before it was conquered...Israel did exist...check your history.
CrimsunSword 1 year ago
Makes as much sense as anything the religious right has thrown out there.
trog69 1 year ago
If Christian nutters help keep RFID chips from being implanted in us against our will, then that's one point for them.
MegF142857 1 year ago
"If we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play."
Michele Bachmann is four quarts short of a gallon. She's about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. If brains were taxed, then Bachmann would get a full rebate.
The wheel is spinning, but the hamster is dead.
substanti8 2 years ago
Liberalism is so dangerous to mankind & this neocon is obviously deceived & will gladly take it. Sad.
SoldierofChrist12345 2 years ago
Funny, that's exactly what a complete moron would say.
Everything really does happen for a reason.
niginit 2 years ago
Hmm, so old german money is satanic, interesting.
Darkfirebrand 2 years ago
The Beast of Revelation certainly seems to reference an International Monetary Fund (IMF) type of system. Much like the "Creature from Jekyll Island" (Federal Reserve System). Can't buy or sell without the mark. Credit, which leads to debt, has become like a Cancerous Blob that keeps getting bigger and more destructive all the time to people, businesses and governments. Our current financial crisis has become "Beastly" and is growing even bigger and more dangerous just give it time fools!
nvsyru 2 years ago
nvsyru - You are absolutely right. And it doesn't necessarily have to be a literal mark on the hand or in the hand. It can simply be the credit card you swipe or your PIN number which you remember in your head. A metaphorical mark.
Chiyo1967 2 years ago
There was a Jewish uprising in 66AD. The Romans did not distinguish between Jew and Christian and expelled them all. John was one of those expelled, although it is widely accepted he himself did not write revelations but one of his pupils.
Most scholars believe that 666 refers to Roman Emperor Nero (whose name, written in Aramaic, can be valued at 666, using the Hebrew numerical value system.
Revolations is commonly accepted in historical context as referring to the Roman Empire.
cont...
Kinkspace 2 years ago
...Specifically Roman Emperor Nero. Who had a passion for persecuting Christians, so much so he even poured oil on them and set light to them to light his garden parties.
Nero, fitted the bill of Antichrist to perfection. He was feared in a God like way. They believed he would return. Revelation was written at a time when the might of Rome was rising up to crush the Church, and when an Antichrist who was a reincarnation of Nero was expected to come.
cont...
Kinkspace 2 years ago
For those that do not know, Nero committed suicide, he stabbed himself in the neck. Historians believe the seven heads refer to Emperors of Rome. The one with the mortal wound which had healed stands to reason is Nero returning from the dead to further persecute the Christians. Also Christians in this time were not long split from Judaism, and their homeland or holy Land, Jews were not a sea faring people so their perception was that enemies did rise out of the sea.
cont...
Kinkspace 2 years ago
@Kinkspace
Historians are wrong. Read Revelation 17 if you want to understand what the sea means, it states there that waters are people and nations, so we are talking about the sea of people in the world, not a physical ocean as you have stated. Learn how to read more than simple snippets of information. One line of biblical text will no aid you in understanding the entire message. You need to study as the war with Persia (Iran) grows very near.
bobbykhawk 1 year ago
There is much more historical evidence that I have obviously written here, however it could be said that America and all associated with it, has modeled itself on Rome.
Kinkspace 2 years ago
The Antichrist In historical terms pertains to Antiochus IV 215 BC; died 164 BC. Who was a villain & persecutor in the eyes of Jews , they called him the wicked.
Traditionally Antichrist was used to describe a collective, those which were against Judaism. It was not until Hippolytus c. 170-c. 236AD that this actually became viewed as a flesh and bones prophesy, yes he was the first. Since then it has been applied by Christians & Jews as if it were some truism of God. In short he invented it.
Kinkspace 2 years ago
@Kinkspace
Thats nonsense, based on the doctrine of philosophy and the dialectic of reason (Colossians 2:8) and your comments are written in II Peter chapter 3. We will go to war with Persia (Iran), written in Daniel 7 through 11. There will be one world order Daniel 6, Revelation 13, 17. There will be a fake Christ or antiChrist, 2 Thessalonians 2, Revelation 11 and 13. The anti or fake Christ will deceive most of the people on the earth, Daniel 6 and Revelation 13.
bobbykhawk 1 year ago
didnt the evil republicans free the slaves? mabey if we didnt have republicans or the bible you would all be farm implements right now. Hmmm makes sense the democrats were once known as carpetbaggers seems fitting lol
TheStrazy 2 years ago
yes many abolitionists where republicans but the freeing of the slaves clearly goes against the bible, which clearly states you may have slaves and also advises of how to only damage them in certain ways so they may continue to serve. you just cant hold the bible up as an exemplary code of conduct and then, simultaneously also use your protest against cruel and repugnant passages in it to demonstrate how moral you are. surely you see that is a logical fallacy?
jebarwood 2 years ago
Although some people would argue that the scriptures about slavery in the bible were descriptive and not prescriptive, that at the time they were written Slavery was an acceptable practice and the bible was trying to urge slave owners to treat their slaves with compassion and love and not the brutal force and cruelty that was done in the south for example
And that it was the abolitionists who knew the heart of the bible and spoke up against that injustice
AVoiceCrying33 2 years ago
What is it like being so naive?
niginit 2 years ago
Also I do belive that once Jesus came, the rules for believers changed radically we are now governed by the rule of love and the rule of truth as layed down my Jesus on the Sermon of mount for example.
The problem is many Christians are still living and practicing in an old testement frame of mind, one that says the ends justify the means, you can hate your neigbor, ect.
Thats just my 2 cents
AVoiceCrying33 2 years ago
you are clearly a kind person trying to make your right and loving beliefs fit around the bible which you think is needed for a good society and is the one true path of salvation but, you are just saying "what the bible meant to say" which is really a euphemism for "what god meant to say" may i remind you of what Jesus himself (apparently) said.......
jebarwood 2 years ago
...... in Matthew 5
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
jebarwood 2 years ago
ANd what sums up the law and the prophets Matthew 22:36-40
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
That line alone convinves me that without love, you can't fully follow the law or the
AVoiceCrying33 2 years ago
prophets. Jesus came, I believe, not just to die for us but also teach us the true meaning of God's word.
Also thanks for the kind words, I try to leave the world a better place then I found it. Kind of like the policy of campgrounds :)
AVoiceCrying33 2 years ago
Then kindly stop littering your mind with nonsense, and spewing it all over the place.
niginit 2 years ago
More like two dirty pennies, in the cup holder of your car, with pop and Zeus knows what dried to a sticky goo.
niginit 2 years ago
@jebarwood..a creditable commentary.......even a "big dummy" like me, can understand your meitorious reasoning here..........
jerseybing 2 years ago
@ TheStrazy
So you like making up revisionist history.
Wikipedia:
"The term carpetbaggers was also used to describe the white northern REPUBLICAN politicians who came South, arriving with their travel carpetbags. Southerners considered them ready to loot and plunder the defeated South."
Freeing of slaves was in spite of the bible, not because of it!
"The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example."~Rev. R. Furman, D.D., Baptist, of S.C.
JoeyDiphard 2 years ago
this is just fucking pathetic...
curses & end times prophicies. ::FACEPALM::
these fucks are just pathetic.
Zentz29 2 years ago
hahahhaaha go olbermann! I really didn't like that guy when I first saw him, but he's slowly winning me over.
pokerslut530 2 years ago
I also disagree with Keith on the bible being a "good" book. There is no quicker way to reach atheism than reading that filth. The god of the bible is so intensely repulsive.... killing innocent children and slavery advocacy is his nicer points.
preachersaredumb 2 years ago
Republicans are evil and crazy!
blackkraut76 2 years ago
My only disagreement with Keith on this is that I don't think the Bible is really such a good book.
MaryJesusJoseph 2 years ago
have you ever seen that documentary Marjoe? if not, you should check it out
wubbadubdub 2 years ago
I've seen it, but I think the Bible is only partly a good book, mostly bullshit from an ancient desert culture.
MaryJesusJoseph 2 years ago
This is hysterical!
CupahNoodles 2 years ago
It just gets weirder and weirder...
im4wur2 2 years ago
It would be funny, if it wasn't that embarassing...
DeletedDelusion 2 years ago
No, the fact that she was voted into office makes us and your state look like fools.
mjr256 2 years ago
idiots like this guarentee a strong future for the facepalm.
fjackson90 2 years ago
ohhhh boy....
martinithechobit 2 years ago
Michele Bachmann makes us and our state look like fools.
Malandanti 2 years ago