UKIP Nigel Farage - Lisbon Treaty Debate in Dublin Sep 2009

[GoldenbanjoDJ]

oh dear Ireland, aren't you wishing you listened to Nigel this time?

[evergonge]

the EU will have to listen to its population we dont want it!!!

[alecrebel]

Beautiful TKO by Nigel! Too many of thesecorrupt, anything goes, lesbo-feminist, incompetent cow types in academe. They sleep their way to tenure and then show their true, man-hating colors. What a medusa!

[Retloth]

Irish voted for a man with a Hebrew last name...good night Europe.

[32GaugeSlug]

rereading what you wrote, I can't believe how irrelevant my post was....I've only had two pints :-p........

[32GaugeSlug]

The centralisation of power is NEVER good! Because it takes the power away from the people and gives it to self serving psychopaths. What about the problems we've had in the UK with politicians lining their own pockets? Imagine how unstopable and widespread it will be in the EU! God, people are so stupid. I can't actuall think of one positive thing about the EU. Moronic propaganda about more jobs etc just doesn't cut it with me.

[ramjet73]

Very well said! See AE911Truth Press Conference, Michel Chossodovsky Globalization and the War on Terror, 911 An American Coup and David Icke - Big Brother the Big Picture

These are all worth watching even if you don't agree with everything!

[32GaugeSlug]

The "scare mongering" is fully justified. You have given your democracy away, never to be returned, to a corrupt unaccountable regime. Remember the poll tax in Britain? What if, these corrupt politicians decided they weren't getting enough taxes from Ireland and implimented a new tax? Where would you all demonstrate? Brussels? In a free speach zone, with militarised police and tazers keeping you in the 'zones'? Do you think what I've said is scaremongering? It's not; it's real, and happening!

[frenchiegoesout]

If at first you don't succeed

Vote, Vote again!

Straight fight between Lisbon treaty and Ireland.

Treaty lives and Ireland is dead.

Don't stray away from the only issue here...

All people of europe, not just Ireland, have now got 'no' power to vote.

Friday's vote was a dark, dark day in the history of mankind's rights on sovereignty and freedom.

How do we go back from here with so much ignorance in these times?

[robotchrist]

On the Yes side: 67.1%

On the No side: 32.9%

FACT!!

[maccaz21]

How can people not see the bigger picture? watch zeitgeist asap,

[bowezo]

fuck off ukip, you've no business in irish politics

[Allyness92]

oh but the the eu do, now even more then ever! infact soon an englishman will be head of state of ireland lol what a joke

[bowezo]

grow up, he won't be the head of state and besides if he were he'd be there as a European not an Englishman

[Allyness92]

tony blair is a englishman and he will be head of state of all european countries, if he becomes prez of the eu.

and nigel Farage is a member of the eu government so he has just as much of a right to get involed in irish politics as all the other eu officials.

[bowezo]

he won't be head of state you fool and secondly who cares if he's english, what fuckin age are you? 14?

[Allyness92]

sorry? why would you not be pissed if that tit tony blair was YOUR countries head of state? how old are you?

[Allyness92]

and yes the prez of eu will be the head of state of all member states, its all there in the lisbon treaty, dont tell me you didnt read it =/

[bowezo]

''The European Council shall consist of the Heads of State or Government of the Member

States, together with its President and the President of the Commission'' Now tell me if the president is the head of state of member countries what exactly will the European Council consist of and why would they bother mentioning heads of state in the treaty?? You fucking pleb

[Allyness92]

under the lisbon treaty there will be a full time president, the new president will be the head of stateof eu. you can not have two heads of state and since the eu takes precedence over national bodies the eu president (tony blair) would take precedence over the current irish head of state.

and nigel has just as much of a right to be there as any other members of the european paraliment. This isnt just a irish matter.

[bowezo]

exactly where does it say this? nigel farage can fuck off, he's a patronising dickhead

[32GaugeSlug]

I think the irish need to be spoken to at that level. It's all the Fluoride in the water you see - it reduces the IQ. I don't think he's patronising anyway, I think he's trying to show you morons just how moronic voting yes is.

[bowezo]

And the point of your argument is????

[32GaugeSlug]

And the point of you is????

[IridescentEye]

**NO SIDE: The majority of the peoples of Europe

**YES SIDE: The professional political "elite" and the heads of multi national companies.

Who ARE you going to trust?

[urfadder]

*NO SIDE: Shinners, Ganley, Socialists, Coir, Eirigi, UKIP, Le Pen, BNP.

*YES SIDE: all international chambers of commerce, most independent economists, 3 main political parties, IFA, IBEC, IDA, ISME, SIPTU, ICTU, most major trade unions, Small Firms Association, Pfizer, Ryanair, Intel, Microsoft.

Who you going to trust?

[dezldummi]

although I'm living in Ireland, I can't vote on the treaty, but Nigel, if you ever decide to run for president of the USA, you would have my vote.... don't worry about not being a citizen.... our constitution doesn't count for much anymore... didn't seem to in the last election anyway

[mrwesica]

im not sure if ukip is funding the no vote but i am sure that the USA government through Declan Ganley is !. they want europe to remain politically and ecomonically weak

[ukipmedia]

oh dear oh dear, the yes side through the EU commission has outspent the no side 10 to 1. UKIP haven't paid a single penny into the no campaign in Ireland. The group in the European Parliament has. Ryanair Chief has changed his tune from saying vote no last time to vote yes this time, obviously a nice back room deals done with the EU commission. The only people who can initiate legislation are unelected in the EU. Completely unaccountable and open to lobying and backhanders.

[urfadder]

NO TO UKIP... YES TO EUROPE.

[urfadder]

NO SIDE: Shinners, Ganley, Socialists, Coir, Eirigi, UKIP, Le Pen, BNP.

YES SIDE: all international chambers of commerce, most independent economists, 3 main political parties, IFA, IBEC, SIPTU, ICTU, most major trade unions, Pfizer, Ryanair, Intel, Microsoft.

Who you going to trust?

[ukipmedia]

You forgot to put on the no side: the majority of European people. The French and the Dutch people.

[EuropeanUnionRules]

Dont forget the Spaniards who voted 76% in favour of the the constitution.

Everyone keeps harping on about the French and the Dutch, but conveniently forget to mention those countries that did support it :)

[ukipmedia]

More than happy to have a referendum in every member state to let the people decide their future but the EU isn't interested.

[EuropeanUnionRules]

You mean the national governments not the EU. After all, referendums are a national issue :)

[snaed27]

I wonder if the Spanish are still happy about their decision ???? I think not

[EuropeanUnionRules]

How did you come up with that conclusion?

[icarrickrock]

the NO side obviously, ff's.

the YES side???you mean, all the people that want your MONEIZZZZZZ, lolol

Spend spend spend my friend

[ukipmedia]

Labour MP: Lisbon 'puts future of democracy at stake' A former UK government minister has warned that the Lisbon Treaty threatens the future of democracy. Labour MP Gisela Stuart - who helped draw up the original EU Constitution, since renamed as the Lisbon Treaty - said that the Treaty breaches the fundamental democratic principle that voters can get rid of those in power.

[1994dublin]

CAN THE FUCKING BRITS STAY OUT OF OUR POLITICS. he just said he isnt a racist ans than said get rid of immigrants aka neo nazism. hes a fucking idiot.

vote yes for ireland and to be irish not no to suck brit cock

[dance4me2night]

I agree with you 1994dublin. BRITS STAY OUT of our affairs!

[ukipmedia]

But I thought you were for a united Europe. Thats not a very diplomatic. If you are for Lisbon then you are very much for Britain being part of your affairs. We will have far more voting weight than you in the EU with Lisbon moving to Qualified majority voting and Ireland loosing its Veto. The EU your government now. Irish parliament like Westminster is merely a local council.

[WeAreTheEuropeanz]

Hello, neofacist.

[ukipmedia]

Very mature

[ukipmedia]

he didn't say get rid of immigrants. He advocates a work permit system. Now that is quite harsh language your using. Whilst we are both in the EU I am afraid Britain and Ireland are very much married my friend. We are brothers in arms heading in the direction of the new European Federation. I think your reaction very much indicates why this whole EU project is doomed for nasty consequences if it keeps going down this road. People want to be independent self governing democracies.

[dance4me2night]

Even if I wanted to believe him, I find it difficult to support him when he wanted to bring a turkey into a press conference [which was supposed to represent Turkey the nation - what an insult to another country]. Nor can I stomach his views when he only gives one side. Immigration was good for Ireland and immigration levels are still set by Ireland, not the EU.

[ukipmedia]

Ireland doesn't set it its own levels of immigration, there is nothing Ireland can do to stop immigration from EU member states. If 30 million wanted to come tomorrow for any reason your parliament would be powerless to stop it. European law is superior over the member states law. At the moment you can control who come from outside the EU, but the EU wants to have a common immigration policy for the whole of it. The Lisbon treaty will lay the foundation for this.

[dance4me2night]

When the Treaty of Amsterdam came into effect in 1999, Ireland opted out of the area known as the Area of Freedom, Security and Justice, which includes immigration.

We still have control over immigration and this will not change under the Lisbon Treaty.

However, if you are sure it will, please point out the clauses within the Lisbon Treaty to justify your claim.

[AberTous]

Yes, immigration is good for Ireland now that you're in such a dire economic state, isn't it. Why not bring in the rest of Eastern Europe into Ireland so they can replace you in the labor force and eventually wipe you out as a people? The EU wants to implement a common immigration policy for all of the EU and want to move the decision-making on immigration from member states to the corridors of Brussels. And no, immigration levels are NOT set by Ireland, the door is ALWAYS open within the EU.

[Prohumani]

Farage 5 stars!

[TheEuropeanAgenda]

NO TO LIES - NO TO LISBON

Don't trust the our self-serving Elite who want to sell the country for a few Euros!

[NoToLisbon]

I hate hate Dick I'd say hes gay

[robotchrist]

Under Lisbon, the weighting of the UK vote will be increased by 50% (source: Anthony Coughlan, Anti-Lisbon campaigner) to more accurately reflect the size of the population of the UK.

[PAD1OH]

It only took him 40 seconds to fudge the truth.

David Cameron said UKIP were "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists" - and he was right.

Farage has resigned from UKIP but has set up a new grouping in the EP that include neo-fascists, xenophobic right-wingers and conservative federalists.

And this group is now directly campaigning in Ireland even though they have no Irish members.

don't be duped by Farage.

[ukipmedia]

What are you talking about?Nigel Farage has not resigned from UKIP. He stepped aside as leader because he can't lead the group in the European Parliament as well, too heavier workload. As for being racist - 5 Black and Asian candidates stood as UKIP candidates in the recent European elections.

There are some very odd figures in all the Groups in the European Parliament. The botttom line is you have to sit in a group or you don't get the funding to fight battles like the one in Ireland

[robotchrist]

The EU Commission does not bring in laws. In general, it is the European Commission that proposes new legislation, but it is the Council and Parliament that pass the laws. That means that it is the elected MEP's and/or the elected prime ministers of each member state that pass the laws by Codecision, Assent, or Consultation. In the codecision procedure, Parliament does not merely give its opinion: it shares legislative power equally with the Council.

[cornwallgeezer]

For all the people who are having A go at Nigel, this isn't A British/Irish argument , it's about democracy and the political class of Europe.

See how much money the European union are pilling into your media and universities across Ireland and Europe.

Please vote No, just look at the treaty and the undemocratic

things it stands for.

Good luck.

[dmcd808]

Nigel is right, the EU is about POWER. POWER to a few who wish to control the many without our constitutional rights to protect us.

Ireland has always been for the people and not the political class.

[No1GorgeousLady]

Good man Nigel. Your absolutely right. I will be voting NO. Thank you.

[irishjay33]

me and my family will be voteing no.

[snaed27]

Say NO .....you did it once do it again !!

Ireland for the Irish .....

[frolicwitme]

we just have to vote no to lisbon 2, but i really have a feeling that if it fails again we'll have to vote again.

this country is far to small for the amount of polish that came here and having hundreds of thousands of turks here in the future, i might aswell face life on the dole.

[robotchrist]

Look, the UK is an important and influential member of the EU. Your democratically elected parliament has an active role in implementing European directives that have benefited millions of British and Northern Irish citizens in terms of equality, workers rights, trade, etc. The UK Independence Party have approx. 14 MEPs representing British voters in the European Parliament. Under Lisbon these MEPs will have more power and their discussions will be in public so everyone can hear their views

[yesforworkers]

I REALLY REALLY don't like Nigel Farage.

I resent him, or Ukipmedia for that matter, getting involved in anything got to do with Ireland, because you only have English (I won't even say British) interests at heart.

And I thought that they day's of Ireland serving england were long over.

But that's not why I'm voting Yes.

I'm voting Yes because Lisbon is good for Ireland, and by keeping Multinationals (who would leave in a heartbeat if we were sidelined), it's good for Workers.

[ukipmedia]

Most of Europe's citizens are watching, we have all been shut down from having a say or our votes been ignored. Put yourself in the shoes of The French and the Dutch who have already voted this document down but are going to be told they have to have it anyway. If your political class had its way you wouldn't even get a vote. You are in a unique position, thankfuly your constitution has saved you. You voted no once, but you didn't give the right answer. Surely alarm bells are ringing!

[mrbizzy]

Voting Yes is voting for you not to really have a right to vote, the stronger the EU becomes the weaker your own government is.

Ireland Voted No and the EU say that's not what we wanted to hear you must vote again while we send out campaigners, instead of accepting you view.

A yes is a vote of a dictatorship not a democracy

[pajo1982]

Good for you. I hate the slimy prick too and and I will also be voting yes.

[huckteeper]

So why is Lisbon good for Ireland. How is it good for workers? Are you not just trotting out hollow yes-groupie catchphrases?

[yesforworkers]

Nigel Farage talks about 'The peoples of Ireland' as if he cares about us.

The only thing Nigel Farage cares about is Britain, and Britain leaving the EU.

Ireland has always been an Ireland of the Welcomes, immigration has never been as issue as it has in Britain.

Ireland has also never had an internal terrorist attack from 2nd and 3rd generation citizens.

Let's vote Yes, keep little englanders out of Irish politics.

[ukipmedia]

Sor your voting yes because you don't like Nigel Farage. Makes sense.

[huckteeper]

Let's not vote Yes. We voted No before and the mere fact that this decision was not respected (along with those of the French and the Dutch) is a very good reason to vote No again.

[heyriggs84]

is there anywhere i can get the vid of the full debate?

[robotchrist]

The institutions of the EU: Council of Europe, European Commission, Council of Ministers and European Parliament), issue directives to its member states and it's up to the national parliaments and courts of the member states to introduce the local laws if they wish. A national parliament could vote against introducing a new law and the EU has no power to do anything about it. The EU can't do anything without the agreement of the national parliaments and heads of state.

[ukipmedia]

RUBBISH!!! Why do you think there is panic in London currently, EU Hedge fund directives The European Court is supreme over any member states court. We have many British Court decisions overturned by the European Court. Once something has become law in a member state country via a European directive, there is nothing an incoming democraticaly elected national parliament can do to overturn that law. That goes against the Core of Democracy! No government should be able to bind a future one.

[Scurck]

And with the Lisbon treaty all EU laws will overrule all national laws, including the constitutions.

[kennyeret]

we need more people like Nigel...I will be voting NO again...just like last time. What is he saying that is so contraversial? that we should have democratic debate in our democracy? Have we lost our minds? The fact we are even voting again speaks volumes that this has nothing to do with democracy. They want their european federal state and did not expect a tiny island of 4million people to throw a spanner in the works. Vote NO !!!

[WilgMan345]

Nigel Farage is amongst the best, if not the best, defender of truth amongst politicians out there.......

[cornwallgeezer]

Please uninformed Ireland look up the Lisbon treaty on you tube or google it!

Please vote No!

[mtst71]

Ireland, the ONLY country in europe that has a vote on this!

if u vote yes, u have voted to change your CONSTITUTION.

i think this is the REALLY FUNNY PART.

if u vote yes, you have voted TO (NEVER) VOTE AGAIN.

THINK OF ALL THE IRISH PPL THAT HAVE DIED FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY.

Don't be a TRAITOR to our COUNTRY and

VOTE NO PLEASE.

THANK YOU IRELAND.

[frolicwitme]

exactly!!!!

if we vote yes we will never again be able to say yes or no to more treaties.

if it is passed more and more immigrants will flood into our country and work for less than 2 euro per hour, if this happens no irish person will be able to work or live in their own country.

vote no people for your own good

[HumanSayNo]

Any one considering voting yes, please do the research into the New World Order and you will see what the EU is really all about. No means No so why wont they accept that? Also if the outcome is different then I would suggest vote rigging has taken place. Be aware that there are computer programmes available now that can rig elections. Strange outcome in Japan recently?

[shayno125]

ukip are british nationalists and pro-commonwealth and want to be stuck in the past

[ukipmedia]

The EU is the past. UKIP has a Global vision, we want to be part of a Global economy and not a little European backyard.

[robotchrist]

"Studies by the Institute for Public Policy Research, published on the BBC News website, indicate that at least 5.5m British-born people live abroad. Taken together, they represent approximately 10% of British citizens." So by your reasoning these people can be lumped to together into a group who simply moved because the grass was greener elsewhere and because of corruption and poverty in the UK? We all share the same right to live and work in any member state of the EU if we wish.

[alank47]

"well i don't intend responding"

what a cock

[huckteeper]

Exactly. Cock Roche.

[daddysoulmanrich]

Huck sucks dicks on street corners for spare change what the hell does he know

[huckteeper]

Sorry folks... its the grammatically-challenged, taser-mad, donut-eatin', police-state lovin' stalker who followed me here. Normal service will be resumed shortly.

[daddysoulmanrich]

huck your a butt pirate who loves the police

[daddysoulmanrich]

and correct spelling would be it's not its you dumb ass. If you are going to be the spelling police learn to spell and use words correctly lol what an idiot

[huckteeper]

Ooooh.... a spelling flame. Ouch!

[daddysoulmanrich]

exactly tighten it up butt pirate

[huckteeper]

lol... you flame me for spelling but seem to think punctuation is optional. As for your childish insults....

[daddysoulmanrich]

yes so dont be a dumbass, this isn't grammar 101 shit for brains

[robotchrist]

I find the underlying racism that I sense in Nigel Farage's comments on the immigration of workers from other EU states very disturbing. Our economy has benefited from the dedication and hard work of thousands of EU citizens who have traveled to Ireland to take up employment. Just as many thousands of Irish have traveled to work in the UK and elsewhere. I suppose Nigel would also prefer if the presence of Irish workers in the UK was also "examined".

[ukipmedia]

Where is the underlying racsim? When has he mentioned race? He believes in controlled migration/ a work permit system. On your logic are America and Australia racist for not allowing an open door to as many people from Britain and Ireland to go and work there? Are they racist for having a visa system?

[robotchrist]

Don't be daft. The EU has similar controls to the US and Australia when it comes to immigration from outside the 27 EU member states. What Nigel is proposing would be like the USA imposing restrictions on the number of Texans who can work in California. He sounds racist because he seems to assume that an EU citizen from, say, Romania, or possibly, in future, Turkey, should have less rights than a EU citizen from the UK. His views contradict some of the fundamental aspirations of the EU.

[ukipmedia]

The EU is not a state in its own right, although Lisbon would make it so. It wants to be but is not prepared to asked the people. Something like border contro, is a fundamental aspect of statehood, who is allowed to come and live in and work in a country should be left to national parliaments. The fact is they can no longer do that because European law is superior over national law. The political class have imposed this new European national identity, the people when asked always say no.

[robotchrist]

1. Lisbon does not make a state of the EU.

2. Border control, in terms of immigration from outside the EU, is with the national governments. The UK and Ireland will have special rights in this area.

3. The free movement of workers between member states of the EU is already in place and has nothing to do with Lisbon.

4. The EU does not introduce laws. That is now and will always be up to the national governments and courts.

5. There is no "political class" just politicians. It's all in your head.

[ukipmedia]

1. Yes Lisbon does make it a state. If gives the EU full legal personality for the first time. Well states and countries have full legal personalities Allowing it to sign international treaties etc etc.

2. The EU is determined to have a common immigration policy for the whole of it. ie: Decides who comes to live in it

3. The EU decides who the new member states are, not the national parliaments.

4. The EU does not introduce laws??? German study found 83% of there new laws came from the EU.

[herculese220]

Listen mate, all of our countries in Europe are separate, and different. There is no racism in border control, that is just the propaganda, to persuade against it.

The fact is you can't just let everybody move because the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, (that's basic philosophy), you just have to wipe out the corruption of ther poorer countries which is mostly caused by the elite of the west.

[grayfiresoul]

If I were an English citizen, I would hands down and forever more vote UKIP. They are one of the last remnants in all of Europe who stand for liberty, individual freedom and property rights, low taxes, (very) small centralised government and principles of free market enterprise. UKIP, keep doing what you're doing. You have my full support as an American!

[grayfiresoul]

I've noticed over in England and in Europe in general, that if your not of the mindset of desiring strong centralised governmental power, considered "progressive" (which to us Americans means far-left and Statist) then you are considered a neo-nazi and a fascist. I am a conservative through and through and here in America we clearly know the difference between democratic, liberty seeking people and those who want the government (i.e. the EU) to have unlimited power over people's lives.

[ernestmillward62]

Nigel Farange is right. If the Irish vote "No", all the threats and pressure are not really going to hurt anybody. But what there will be is a proper debate in several countries about the future, that is desperately needed. And what I am hoping we will have from it is a more respectful attitude from those unelected "empire builders" and "central planners" towards the individuals they claim to represent . They do not represent us, because we never voted. They should know this. Ireland show them!

[Snagprophet]

How is UKIP fascist? His party campaigns for us to be given the choice. It is clear that the EU want Ireland to vote yes, but what kind of superstate would that make it?

I'm glad as hell Ireland left the United Kingdom all those years ago, because had they no our very own Gordon Brown would've forced the 'yes' on them no questions asked.

Thankyou so much Ireland!

[balgaddy7]

Its up to us to give voice to what the majority of Europeans who have no voice on this think, "NO" to Lisbon.

[NoToLisbon]

this was barley shown on irish tv they showed like 10 seconds litrally

[TheAtheistKnight]

That's because the majority of our politicans want us to vote "Yes".

They're determined to pass this, If we vote "no" again I think they'll just rig the vote.

[Fleshious]

Brilliant!

[ilieklolcatz]

Nigel absolutely destroyed that weasel journalist!

[AndrewT1974]

Thank you Nigel, keep up the good work.

Ireland you have only had freedom for litlle over eighty years are you willing to give it up? Vote No the Lisbon treaty for yourselfs and for Europe

[NotMarkk]

Nice :-)

[enotdetcelfer]

NIIIIIIIIIICEEE !!!!!

Like a Ninja!

[hugolp]

Well said.

[baboonsquadron]

SAY NO !!! Like France and so many country !!

F*CK THE LISBON TREATY

[UKMonarchist]

vote no Ireland please!!!!!!!!!!!! Democracy and Freedom rests on your shoulders.

[liveireland]

Excellent!!! Thanks Nigel.

[mullaleo85]

fuck yopu dick no means no and fuck bilderberg aswell ya bunch of spilt ejits

[Pwecko]

I would have liked to have heard what Dickhead Roche had to say.

[adammcg2]

GO NIGEL!!

[SupAJ1M]

WELL DONE NIGEL!

[LiamBro]

What a prat he is