I'm not good at fully understanding, but, if God is omnipotent, then there is also the capacity for him to see the resulting paths a human can take depending on whatever choice they make.
In this case, I can flip a coin to see where I go. I can do this many times, and God doesn't change the way it turns out. Saying that God choose to make "this" universe in a specific way, and not closely examine all reasonable sides of the issue, is trite, dangerous and superficial.
Wow, the person who made this video claiming that God is responsible for all those who He sends to hell because He's omnicient and could have created a different universe. What a claim... especially when God gave FREE WILL to all those who CHOSE to live a life that sends them to HELL!
Whoever listens to this rubbish video and agrees with it is a person who doesn't understand anything about religion.
@deltaxcd how is free will sin when God gave it? God is incompatible to sin because sin = offending God.
Although it's not as complicated as it seems. Free will is given by God so that His children (humanity) can come to know Him in love because He loves us so greatly He gave us life.
The Bible shows us how to come to Jesus Christ and live a life that is in His sight a just life. We're not perfect though, only God is. We can follow the 10 Commandments that God gave to get to heaven.
Is sin something that is evil by itself or sin is something that god declared as evil?
If god gave me free will then i suppose I should have freedom to do do whatever I want I am not obligated to care about gods opinion.
of course he is allowed to reward anyone he likes for any reason but he has no moral rights punish anyone for anything just because we decide to use our free will.
@deltaxcd Sin is offense to God.. this is then shown on that person's soul. I've heard from people who have had near death experiences that they see boils and darkness on their soul, and Jesus shows them how their soul could be, purely brilliant and white and shining.
What the Bible teaches is that having sin on your soul distances yourself from God.. and if enough sin is committed, then this sin sends that persons soul to hell. The choice is to choose God or lead a path of unrighteousness.
@deltaxcd I could be here forever explaining to you what is sin. You got the internet for a reason. I'm sure you can find out.. but honestly, if you're not really interested why ask? All the answers you seek are in the Bible. If you're not interested in reading, then no one can help you.. nor will you learn anything trying to cause arguments online.
@deltaxcd no. You are asking because you don't know what sin is. I've been a Christian my whole life. I know by following the 10 Commandments on how to live a life in pleasing God and what not to do. If you want answers to what is sin, then read the Bible because explaining here is a waste of my time.
explanation if what is sin requires about 5 words or less, but you seem to have no clue about that.
you don't know anything yet you are speaking like if you were official gods messenger preaching some crap about shiny brilliant souls or unrighteousness.
@deltaxcd if you're too gullible to realize I know you're a person who ridiculed a few posts ago is the reason why I don't answer your ridiculous questions. Not to mention you don't know how to use the internet for your answer lol. Like I said, learn to read the Bible if you're so desperado.
And having an opinion on a YouTube video I will do as I please, it doesn't mean I'm a prophet or messenger.
@deltaxcd to be precise, a Christian who doesn't want to give info to a hypocrite atheist. You said you want to go to heaven.. give me a break.. you're a joke.
Even more news, so you belong to secret cult and wont give information to outsiders.
I newer said I want to go to heaven at all costs, I precisely told from the beginning that i refuse to obey god, just because I value my free will.
If that is the price of going to heaven my choice is to keep my free will.
I suppose you don't have it so there is no problem for you. and you wont understand what i mean anyway since you don't even understand what does it mean to have free will.
@deltaxcd cults are satanic, not of God.. complete opposite. Evil - Good.
So what you're saying is that you deny God and therefore if you choose hell over heaven, it's an eternity without God. In the Bible, all good comes from God and those who choose eternity without God are cast into hell. There is no good there because hell is without God.. it is a life where all good is taken away forever. Everything that isn't good. Pain, suffering, anxiety, fear, torment, death are all that is in hell.
@Immortalsouls You are a very immature Christian and according to the Sermon on the Mount you will be in danger of hell fire. You are neither meek nor humble and should go and read your Bible and not cherry pick verses. You dont have it all figured out! Your main objective is to show the love of Christ, not to one up an atheist.
@DeDona1 excuse me, you are not to judge me. I am a devout Christian and nothing I said was one upping an atheist. You assume I was being rude, I was merely discussing his intentions. You should not judge the splinters in others eyes when you have a log in yours.
You will see the circumstance will get alot worse , Look at haiti and japan the most recent . World famine and world government are coming because of the rejection of Gods plan through Jesus sacrificial death on the cross, Famine death and pestilences .The hearts of men will fear when the world the whole world sees death in the millions . People you can change this all if you ask Christ to forgive you. His blood shed will cleanse you from all unrighteousness and make you His own. God bless!!
What a bunch of hog wash !!!! It is the blood of Christ that cleanses us from our sin ....not the eternal suffering of Him .....He suffered and bled and the word says without that blood there is no remission of sin . Although he foreknew he wanted man to have free will ....make a choice ....true Christianity through the shed blood of Christ or this hog wash, Christianity 2 ? Where did this herachy come from ?
It came from the father of all lies so that he may not convince you . Jesus Loves u
@karasahara Ha Ha Ha Ha. Trust someone(thing) that doesn't talk to you, ignores you most the time and someone you don't understand? Trust him because we aren't perfect? Someone that has a plan but doesn't tell anyone what it is? Thanks for the laugh.
@danilopie Let's see here... I am rejecting your religion and reworking it. Do you think I actually care about following you religion's holy book to the letter?
@SeenAndNotSeen I get rejecting my "religion" but I dont get reworking it. I dont care if you if you follow the bible or not just dont take things out of context and replace words with ur own. I dont believe in religion ethier (religion = following rules for a reward or not to go to hell / relationship well I hope you know what that is. relationship = forgiviness). But the world is filled with people who think they know but dont do any research to back up their words.
@SeenAndNotSeen Did you read the book or are going on some preconcieved ideas that you pick up thruogh the years? Im amazed on how so many peoples hearts and minds are blocked and darken to the bible even so called christians. They go to church but they never really sat down and read the book. The catholic church is doing a good job of turn people away from the real jesus that is in the bible, that why they dont want you to read it without supervision.
You did enough to try and pick it apart... if you can't get the scripture that you are trying to pick apart correct, then what's the logic behind even trying to pick it apart in the first place?
God is good. He gave us free will from the begining and refuses to take that back- he is true to His word. If we allow sin into our lives (Which all of us do) that's our doing because of our free will.
If we get punished it's from our own doing. God is good, we are evil.
And while He allows free will so that we can accept sin into our lives, we also have free will to accept Him. If we make the wrong choice, it's truely on us. We've allowed it into our lives from the beginning- He wants to give us everything- we choose to be close minded and stubborn and too afraid to want to answer for the hurt of others we've caused due to our own selfishness. It's as simple as that.
You either accept Him and live or YOU don't and die. Simple concept.
"You either accept Him and live or YOU don't and die. Simple concept."
that would be fair, but in general Christianity claims that you do not die in either way bit instead you er being tortured forever
some even say that god will gives us superhuman immortal bodies capable to withstand extreme head of hell, just that we could enjoy eternal pain. not to mentions that god hired army of demons to torture humans in hell as since heat is not enough.
@deltaxcd Also God didn't hire anybody to torture anyone that's a common misconception. Those demons chose with their free will to follow the devil. The bible states that they aren't even in hell right now- they are here on earth. The bible also teaches us that hell was never created for us- but for them. We either choose to follow what gives us eternal life or we choose what gives us eternal death. It's on us. also , "then that the hell religion is doing?" I didn't understand the question..
Maybe you think differently from other, but many Christians believe in what I said.
If it is either eternal life or death it would be fine, then we do not have any problems with morality of god, and he is completely fair.
However Christianity relies on fear o hell and bible has very little meaning because in Christianity you believe in your leaders bible interpretation not in bible itself.
@deltaxcd Bible says that God judges us each to the accordance of what we knew throughout life. Jesus also said that only those who have the faith of a child will receive the kingdom of heaven. Hope that helps answer that question! :)
@deltaxcd If you get saved you will have true faith then you want to obey God. The outlook on what you seem to have on obeying God is not the same as how I obey God, though it's the sAme outlook I used to have on obeying God before I got saved. You're talking about following the laws that are in the old testement to a tee in order to obey God. Jesus did that for us that's why He was the perfect sacrifice and the only way to get to God and heaven.
From there the Spirit leads you to learn about God so that we can become more like Him. the bible says once we accept God into our lives we are no longer slaves to the world, but conquerors and adopted into the family that is of God. In other words, Jesus calls us His brothers and sisters and we sit at the right hand of God with Jesus. Not when we die, but when we accept Jesus- we are then spotless before Him. He frees us from the iniquities of the world so we don't have to be miserable or carry
@midnightpredator18 long as I allow Him to be first, everything I need and even the things that I want have been provided to me. It is the same for every one of us. He doesn't want us to suffer or be in any kind of pain, but for some reason, we'd rather fight His will. Once you finally allow Him into your life though... man nothing beats it.
any burden this world has to give us because Jesus suffered so we wouldn't have to- and in any and every area of our lives, not just spiritually, but physically, emotionally, in our relationships, even financially. All God asks is that we accept Jesus and to start relying on Him because His way is better than our ways- I know that from following Him. I've never been so happy and willing to speak to people and help them out till I got saved. Even better, He then helps us become more like Jesus
Jesus every day and the more we are like He was in life, the happier and easier it is for us to overcome the things that the world thinks are so horrible. Man I can't even tell you how amazing it really is, you have to experience the goodness on Your own. Another good thing to keep in mind is that real Christianity is not religion. I used to be religious. All religion does is bind you up thats why there are so many sad or angry Christians cos they just follow religion. Real Christianity is
relationship with Christ. I don't have to follow the laws, I choose to do what's right and good according to the plan God has for me through the Spirit. Religion is binding, and that's all I knew for a long time, so I fell away from it. Once I got saved and learned how to have a relationship with Christ, and then again started to listen to the Holy Spirit did I realize how freely God is actually allowing me to live. I am free from pain, judgement, poverty, hunger ect. He provides it for me as
Why do you people say "god created the universe"? The israelites imbecilles who wrote the goddamn torah 4000 years ago said "the HEAVENS and the earth". They were referring to the VISIBLE SKY and land. That is all. Their limited intelect couldnt understand the concept of the universe even if a telescope dropped on their empty heads. They didnt know better. We got the "miracle" of science, we should know better but sadly we 21th century people still choose to cling to 4000 years ridiculous ideas.
Remember your bible? The Sun and the Moon are the same size, the Moon gives light at night (no Sun required) and the stars are just luminous objects put by the lord yahweh on the night sky for his chosen israelites to enjoy. And "lord yahweh sits above the circle of the earth". Yes, they are talking about a flat earth and obvious didnt have a clue about the physics of the universe, as we know today. Why the hell are we following these people and worship the object of their primitive imagination?
Christian believes are based on the faulty concept of "free will". However, "free will" does not exist, because all of our decisions are based on our experiences.
God being all-knowing must also know of all a person's decisions in advance.
As there is no point in punishing one's creation for doing exactly what it is supposed to do, we may deduce, that God is neither judging nor punishing.
Which clearly proves, that the bible is not God's word, but a sorry effort of playing God.
This video seems to be all about theology. Some denominations include "he descended into hell" in their creed, some don't. Jesus himself used the expression "in the heart of the earth" which could be interpreted as some kind of hell. But Christianity reduces to a few simple concepts: 1) sin is the reason we die 2) our creator considers us valuable and balanced the equation so that we could be eternal. But most Christians are not theologians, just people who believe the Gospel (good news).
can you imagine how the number of your "problems" would reduce if you stopped imagining God as a man, or as a person, or better, as an old man somewhere above our heads? the truth is, you can try understand God, but we never will, that's the difference between us - people and Him - God. so don't embarass yourself with such infantile visions and go on with your life - be nice to people and stop arguing about which religion is better and more rational. just calm down, people.. that's what we need.
You can say the same thing about any religion you know, that we just don't "understand it"
How can you choose which god is right when there are so many choices? And say that it just sounds like it has problems, not that the god actually does, that we don't understand.
That's why I say that when we are brought up with a lot of choices that sound equally irrational, do the rational thing. Choose none of them.
This is really a lame argument against God. A child could make the same argument against his father. "You have tons of money. Why don't you just build me a house and make sure I never have a reason to get into trouble?" There's a lot to be said for real life & free will. It's the difference between driving a train and driving a car. Christianity is only rational explanation for the human experience and is the only hope for Mankind.
Your argument is against the medieval artists and their concept of hell. The Bible says God is not willing that any should perish. The Bible says "God is love"
i certainly would not, if they don't love me SO WHAT? i think that the god they speak of is nowhere near loving, understanding nor forgiving. if god indeed understood everything then why do we need to suffer for eternity for not loving him... hahaha their god is so funny, he's not a god he's more like a spoiled brat..
Unless I'm totally misreading the story their god is little more than a mafia boss.
The moral of the story is, he sets up the rules and if you break them he breaks you even if you don't know he's there, because he already owns the block. Submit or die.
Kinda like Islam, but obviously far more passive aggressive(...recently).
All the Abrahamic faiths, IMHO are little more than death-cults who ritualized blood sacrifices by worshiping extragalactic tyrants.
If all that truly exists is now. Then forever is defined as this moment. You can't compound time. So eternal damnation can only be defined as this moment. The problem is that we fail to look at the principles of the Bible and try to define them in a 3 dimensional world with a time component. Truth can't be defined only experienced.
Besides, what kind of irresponsible father would keep his existence a secret from his children? If you want someone to obey, the first thing you do is make sure that your subjects/children know you exist.
If God were any kind of good father, he'd at least present himself to all his "children" rather than dropping vague clues in ancient sources of indeterminate veracity.
Knowing that my father existed in no way inhibited my free will or ability to disobey him.
I also fail to see how your initial complaint has anything whatsoever to do with this video. It seems like you didn't even watch the video, assumed it was all about the problem of evil, and then gave a vague response of "free will" to attempt to refute it.
"A child could make the same argument against his father."
Huh? What child would ever ask his father why he damns people (with foreknowledge), why he sacrificed an avatar of himself, and why said avatar's sacrifice wasn't very significant?
The point I was arguing against was your contention that free will, our ability to incur harm to ourselves, is an argument for Atheism. I can't see how it would be. No one made you call yourself an Atheist or put up these videos on the internet. You did it all by yourself. 5.5 billion humans think there is ample evidence that we live in a Creation. 76% of physicians believe in God. I don't think God would buy your argument that he hid from you.
"I don't think God would buy your argument that he hid from you."
Neither do I, but that's because I don't believe God exists.
There's a difference between believing in A god and believing specifically in the Christian god. A person might conclude that, say, the cosmological argument proves God, but it doesn't in any way suggest Yahweh more than, say, Allah.
Why doesn't God simply present himself directly to everybody at once, just to make sure that everyone knows He exists, rather than relying upon ancient texts claiming personal revelation?
How many Christians are there worldwide? I'll be generous and say 2 billion. That's only 1/3 of the population who believes in Yahweh and Jesus. If I had three kids, I'd be a failure if only one of them knew I existed.
Where and how do I mention free will at all in this video? I seriously think you might be commenting on the wrong video.
This video isn't even an argument "for atheism." It's an argument against orthodox Christianity. The entire point of the video is showing how Christianity could be changed so that it would make more sense. I've made a hypothetical religion that COULD be true, and which includes Yahweh as God. That's about as far from an argument for atheism as you can get.
Why do you assume that, because I'm arguing against a particular interpretation of Christianity, I must be arguing against all religions and gods? There is more than one religion in the world, you know.
What is presented in the video is not orthodox Christianity. It is a bad parody. Christ's death did not pay for people sins like a monetary transaction, it atoned for them, there is a difference. God always is a forgiving God, but the sacrifice of Jesus Christ reflects the sacrificial love of God. You are reading punishment into this stuff sadly, because that is what Reformed Christians believe. But look up pre-Reformed Christianity some time.
@nyarltep hey dude ...do you read ? There are many like you who tried to disprove you. read a book called "Evidence that DEMANDS a verdict " by Josh Mcdowall . It a heavy read mased on the laws of evidence which have been in effect for centuries .
Secondly you know God exists ..He has given you that knowledge . Thirdly you dont have the power to punish forever which really is not Gods plans at all . It would be your choice by rejecting Christ's want to save you from this punishment. take care
@willie9993 I know Gods the real an all that. One time I was gettin a sub at Subway, an I had to take a crap. The line up was around the block! I was scared and fearin...and then I said "Oh Lord Baby Jesus I really gotta take a crap!!!" and JUST THEN...a lightning bolt hit the other fuckers in the line up...and then it was just me. So miracles really can happen...and dont you forget it! God bless ya, son!
very good, like am going to fall for that, your the son of god! LOL, its your sins that makes you doubt believes in jesus, and you can mumble jumble all you want because it shows you prefer your sins to the truth, jesus is god, the son of god as they are all in one, god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit
physicians? What does a physician, medical practitioner, doctor of medicine, doctor of osteopathic medicine, or medical doctor got to do with anything u said?
The truth is not a democracy. I don't care how many people think there is evidence for God. 1/4 of Americans think that 9/11 was a conspiracy, does that mean it has any basis? NO!
And again, how am I supposed to know the difference between the Christian God and Allah, what religion I'm supposed to follow?
If one religion is true, then life would be a very dangerous form of Roulette, huh.
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate
The demotivational poster does have it quite wrong though, so it fails
Everyone will live forever
Communion doesn't save (The bread representing the body)
And no where does it say snake. English versions use the serpent, but it literally means 'shining one'
It's like the reverse of selling icecubes to Eskimos. You can make anything sound silly with proper wording. I could have fun with Atheism or Evolution.
I might care if I were the one who made the poster. But I'm not. I just needed an image to correspond to the phrase "Christian theology," so I did a Google image search.
I might also care about your critique of the "Jewish zombie" if I had based the content of my video on the poster. Once again, I did not.
The problems lay not in God / Jesus, but in man's ability to understand... However, that is how God has things set up at the moment until God is ready to begin the next phase.
That being said... "Hell" is mistranslated into it's current way, but a study into the original languages, hell simply means GRAVE.
The Bible is filled with idioms, metaphors and much deeper spiritual truths that are hidden from most people. Seek God & truth, and the hidden gems are revealed.
of course Jesus never claimed to be the father God ... The trinity is a rather new idea and definitely isnt necessarily true for Christianity to be true
No, they omit all of the deaths God caused by the Great Flood in Genesis. The Bible never says how many people there were, but the entire world population would have been killed, except for two of every animal and eight humans. In other words, the number of God-murders should be much higher than the chart says.
The 10 people killed by Satan are from the Book of Job. He killed Job's family because God let him.
All religions are outward expressions. When you trust Christ you begin to change from the inside. You see the truth in this from putting Jesus' teachings into practice. And they are all doable easy things, not like the doctrines of the world. Religion says no more fun, but Jesus says "above all things that you be in good health and prospers just as your soul prospers." That means you wants you to be happy, at that doesn't mean life will be easy.
He wants you to be happy, but that doesn't mean life will be easy. The Jesus said "don't be surprised that the world will hate you because the world hated me first. No servant is grater than his master." For people who live in the way it is common to be rejected by others. Jesus said for us to deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow him, don't sound fun do it? Religion makes it all about you when really its all about Jesus.
I have more than looked into Christianity. I tried it as a religion, as a "relationship," as an "emulation of Christ."
Perhaps I should look into Islam, which has just as many followers and a far clearer consensus as far as sects go. I fail to see how Christianity and not any other religion demands this much credibility. I give Christianity attention because I live in the midst of it in the U.S. My geography doesn't make it any more likely to be true, though, than any other religon.
Thats where a lot of people make a mistake. People say they accept Christ and then spend all this energy trying to earn salvation or do all these religious things. Christ died an rose again so you would have to do any of that stuff. We are imperfect in our own jacked up ways but the good news is that God works with us just the way we are. We can't make ourselves acceptable to God under our own merits and abilities.
No,the bible is written by over 40 authors bearing the same constant message. The bible states that it is written by man but by the inspiration of God. It also says it is good for teaching and correction in the ways of righteousness. Now if you look at these claims its sounds like its setting a standard. But if you read the bible "in context" You will see that the standard can not be fulfilled by man's efforts but only by they sacrifice of Jesus. This bridges the gap between God and Man.
I'm pretty sure I already went over this in the video. For God/Jesus to have to sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself makes no sense at all. Neither does the emphasis on the laws in the Pentateuch, which are thrown out by the end of teh Bible. Hardly consistent.
Of course, consistency means nothing. To make the canon, the Council of Nicea had to exclude the most contradictory doctrines and works. To say that this "proves" the bible's inspiration is circular reasoning.
Mmhmm,yea, just as I thought. You got out your truth tables and Venn diagrams and what ever else you use to rack your brain will all that logic and reason shows that you were not trying learn or understand anything,you just want to rationalize. Remeber when I said read the bible "IN CONTEXT"? That would help. But like you said before others have told you this already.
It's also odd that a book with a supposedly clear, constant, and unified message has produced thousands of incompatible sects and interpretations, all with their own scriptural support. The Bible is the most confusing and divisive work known to man! God is, indeed, the author of confusion. But I guess that's man's fault too. After all, it's not like God is omnipotent and can make everyone understand even if he wanted to!
The bible is NOT one book. Its a collection of books, not necessarily in chronological order. You cant ready it like an ordinary book. But you do have comprehension so you can read it in context. The old testament is a bunch of books and the New testament is a collection of epistles or letters.
I just said I was testing you, remember? Anyway, All religion is wrong, God doesn't like it, it doesn't work and it was never supposed to be part of life. Religion is man made doctrines that attempt to please God. The bible confirms this.
Is that the point you've been talking about? I have heard the cliche "Christianity isn't a religion, it's a relationship" so many times.
"Religion doesn't work and it was never supposed to be part of life. Religion is man made doctrines that attempt to please God. The bible confirms this."
What are you saying? That the Bible is man-made, and the doctrines contained therein are useless attempts at connecting with God?
If there's any proof that religion doesn't work, it's the Bible. I agree.
Biblicism is indeed a manmade doctrine. If there is a god, I doubt that worshiping a man in his place is going to please him, nor will symbolic acts of cannibalism and cleansing with water. The trinity is manmade, the "god-man" is man-made, and the Bible and its canon are man-made.
This sounds very much like Deism, which, if there is any god, would indeed make a lot of sense. If God created the universe, surely the universe itself would have better insight into God than any work of literature.
You obviously don't have an understand of what the point is. I could explain it to you but I would either be wasting my time or you would actually seek out the truth of why so many people follow Jesus. Don't worry, you're not the first person to misunderstand the gospel and you wont be the last.
A likely story, indeed. In other words, I don't know believe in Christianity, therefore I don't know what the point is, because if I knew what the point was, I would believe it. Ah, I hear you loud and clear.
Mind you, there is a very good point to this video, but you obviously don't understand it, so I'd be wasting my time telling you what it is. But trust me, there is a point to the video, I'm just not telling you.
Quit having conversations with yourself and jumping to conclusions. What I said is what I meant. You can read right? Based on your last comment its clear you are quick to judge and slow to learn regardless of your bias of the information available. I see your point to the video but you don't see the point of the message of the bible.
"you don't see the point of the message of the bible."
...which is?
Pardon me for thinking that, just because you claim to know the point of the Gospel but you won't be so kind as to actually share it, that you are simply making it up.
Am I slow to learn? What am I supposed to have learned? You haven't told me anything!
So please, fill me in on the point of the Gospels.
Is it wrong to test and see if conversing with you would be a waste of time first? If actually want to exchange knowledge instead of possibly baiting me into receiving condescending ridicule, I will tell you. Are you genuine?
Judging by the fact that you yourself have been simply baiting me, bragging that you have this profound understanding of Christianity, and by the fact that your first comment was a mere hurl of insult with no substance whatsoever, you yourself hardly seem genuine. Bare foolishness? You're too important to waste your time on me? Talk about condescending ridicule!
The point of my video is that Christianity, in its current, orthodox form, makes no sense and teaches very harmful lessons.
Wow... Your ass is twisted.. and twist everything.. his whole life was pain... people didnt like him and all he was trying to do was help them...
TheJord1985 2 months ago
Read Talmud of Jmmanuel.
halolIlmao0 4 months ago
I'm not good at fully understanding, but, if God is omnipotent, then there is also the capacity for him to see the resulting paths a human can take depending on whatever choice they make.
In this case, I can flip a coin to see where I go. I can do this many times, and God doesn't change the way it turns out. Saying that God choose to make "this" universe in a specific way, and not closely examine all reasonable sides of the issue, is trite, dangerous and superficial.
1aundulxaldin 9 months ago
Wow, the person who made this video claiming that God is responsible for all those who He sends to hell because He's omnicient and could have created a different universe. What a claim... especially when God gave FREE WILL to all those who CHOSE to live a life that sends them to HELL!
Whoever listens to this rubbish video and agrees with it is a person who doesn't understand anything about religion.
Immortalsouls 9 months ago in playlist Cool Entertaining Videos
@Immortalsouls
I suppose you don't understand anything either.
Or else please explain me how free will is compatible with obedience to gods will.
anything that does not match gods will is sin, so basically free will is sin.
please explain how I can keep my free will (disobey god) and still go to heaven.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd how is free will sin when God gave it? God is incompatible to sin because sin = offending God.
Although it's not as complicated as it seems. Free will is given by God so that His children (humanity) can come to know Him in love because He loves us so greatly He gave us life.
The Bible shows us how to come to Jesus Christ and live a life that is in His sight a just life. We're not perfect though, only God is. We can follow the 10 Commandments that God gave to get to heaven.
Immortalsouls 5 months ago
@Immortalsouls
OK, then please explain me what is SIN?
Is sin something that is evil by itself or sin is something that god declared as evil?
If god gave me free will then i suppose I should have freedom to do do whatever I want I am not obligated to care about gods opinion.
of course he is allowed to reward anyone he likes for any reason but he has no moral rights punish anyone for anything just because we decide to use our free will.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd Sin is offense to God.. this is then shown on that person's soul. I've heard from people who have had near death experiences that they see boils and darkness on their soul, and Jesus shows them how their soul could be, purely brilliant and white and shining.
What the Bible teaches is that having sin on your soul distances yourself from God.. and if enough sin is committed, then this sin sends that persons soul to hell. The choice is to choose God or lead a path of unrighteousness.
Immortalsouls 5 months ago
@Immortalsouls
Thats not an answer, I was asking how do you know which action is sin and which is not.
as example explain why eating forbidden fruit was sin. why god was offended by that action.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd I could be here forever explaining to you what is sin. You got the internet for a reason. I'm sure you can find out.. but honestly, if you're not really interested why ask? All the answers you seek are in the Bible. If you're not interested in reading, then no one can help you.. nor will you learn anything trying to cause arguments online.
Immortalsouls 5 months ago
@Immortalsouls
I am asking because YOU don't know what is sin.
you are posting some unseasonable circular claims and preaching like some prophet.
I said that what you are preaching conflicts with my free will, so please explain that
question is simple how to please god and still do not give up on my free will.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd no. You are asking because you don't know what sin is. I've been a Christian my whole life. I know by following the 10 Commandments on how to live a life in pleasing God and what not to do. If you want answers to what is sin, then read the Bible because explaining here is a waste of my time.
Immortalsouls 5 months ago
@Immortalsouls
explanation if what is sin requires about 5 words or less, but you seem to have no clue about that.
you don't know anything yet you are speaking like if you were official gods messenger preaching some crap about shiny brilliant souls or unrighteousness.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd if you're too gullible to realize I know you're a person who ridiculed a few posts ago is the reason why I don't answer your ridiculous questions. Not to mention you don't know how to use the internet for your answer lol. Like I said, learn to read the Bible if you're so desperado.
And having an opinion on a YouTube video I will do as I please, it doesn't mean I'm a prophet or messenger.
Immortalsouls 5 months ago
@Immortalsouls
wow you should said that earlier before dumping that craps about shiny brilliant souls
You could saved time for both, I expected that am talking with somehow reasonable person, but sorry i was to stupid to assume that.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd whatever, go read the Bible like most people who want to go to heaven.
Immortalsouls 5 months ago
@Immortalsouls
I wound suggest you to read it yourself before giving such recomedations.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd you're the one who doesn't know that sin = offending God!
Immortalsouls 5 months ago
@Immortalsouls
No, I know well what is sin, and explanation is easy and short.
sin is disobedience to god's will that has nothing to do with offending god it is about disobeying him.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd IF you read the Bible like I do, sinning is offending God. Atheist, go get your fix from elsewhere. You bore me.
Immortalsouls 5 months ago
@Immortalsouls
Good idea, I have nothing to o with christian who has no knowledge about his own religion.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd to be precise, a Christian who doesn't want to give info to a hypocrite atheist. You said you want to go to heaven.. give me a break.. you're a joke.
Immortalsouls 5 months ago
@Immortalsouls
Even more news, so you belong to secret cult and wont give information to outsiders.
I newer said I want to go to heaven at all costs, I precisely told from the beginning that i refuse to obey god, just because I value my free will.
If that is the price of going to heaven my choice is to keep my free will.
I suppose you don't have it so there is no problem for you. and you wont understand what i mean anyway since you don't even understand what does it mean to have free will.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd cults are satanic, not of God.. complete opposite. Evil - Good.
So what you're saying is that you deny God and therefore if you choose hell over heaven, it's an eternity without God. In the Bible, all good comes from God and those who choose eternity without God are cast into hell. There is no good there because hell is without God.. it is a life where all good is taken away forever. Everything that isn't good. Pain, suffering, anxiety, fear, torment, death are all that is in hell.
Immortalsouls 5 months ago
@Immortalsouls
I do not say that I deny god, I just refuse to obey and I suppose if he gave me free will i should have that right.
I demand that god threat me as equal person to him even if he is supposedly way more powerful.
I have no problems being gods friend or partner or even enemy, but I refuse to be god's property.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@Immortalsouls You are a very immature Christian and according to the Sermon on the Mount you will be in danger of hell fire. You are neither meek nor humble and should go and read your Bible and not cherry pick verses. You dont have it all figured out! Your main objective is to show the love of Christ, not to one up an atheist.
DeDona1 5 months ago
@DeDona1 excuse me, you are not to judge me. I am a devout Christian and nothing I said was one upping an atheist. You assume I was being rude, I was merely discussing his intentions. You should not judge the splinters in others eyes when you have a log in yours.
Immortalsouls 5 months ago
You will see the circumstance will get alot worse , Look at haiti and japan the most recent . World famine and world government are coming because of the rejection of Gods plan through Jesus sacrificial death on the cross, Famine death and pestilences .The hearts of men will fear when the world the whole world sees death in the millions . People you can change this all if you ask Christ to forgive you. His blood shed will cleanse you from all unrighteousness and make you His own. God bless!!
willie9993 10 months ago
@willie9993
according to common knowledge, Haiti was way ore religiuso than most of EU or US, they were praying to hesus each day. and god decided to punish them.
I see at trends that gods somehow works in reverse, more you believe less you get.
not to mention that atheists in general live better that believers.
I think god Is clearly trying to tell us that we should be atheists. Unless you have another explanation for these bizarre preferences.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@candiceevans1 Theologies not even junk science...its junk philosophy. Its like getting a PhD in "The History of Fred Flinstone".
chefshitpiece 10 months ago
What a bunch of hog wash !!!! It is the blood of Christ that cleanses us from our sin ....not the eternal suffering of Him .....He suffered and bled and the word says without that blood there is no remission of sin . Although he foreknew he wanted man to have free will ....make a choice ....true Christianity through the shed blood of Christ or this hog wash, Christianity 2 ? Where did this herachy come from ?
It came from the father of all lies so that he may not convince you . Jesus Loves u
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karasahara 1 year ago
@karasahara Ha Ha Ha Ha. Trust someone(thing) that doesn't talk to you, ignores you most the time and someone you don't understand? Trust him because we aren't perfect? Someone that has a plan but doesn't tell anyone what it is? Thanks for the laugh.
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karasahara 1 year ago
JOHN 3:16 does not say that you change the words to fit your agenda. Read the real john 3:16.
danilopie 1 year ago
@danilopie Let's see here... I am rejecting your religion and reworking it. Do you think I actually care about following you religion's holy book to the letter?
SeenAndNotSeen 1 year ago
@SeenAndNotSeen I get rejecting my "religion" but I dont get reworking it. I dont care if you if you follow the bible or not just dont take things out of context and replace words with ur own. I dont believe in religion ethier (religion = following rules for a reward or not to go to hell / relationship well I hope you know what that is. relationship = forgiviness). But the world is filled with people who think they know but dont do any research to back up their words.
danilopie 1 year ago
@SeenAndNotSeen Did you read the book or are going on some preconcieved ideas that you pick up thruogh the years? Im amazed on how so many peoples hearts and minds are blocked and darken to the bible even so called christians. They go to church but they never really sat down and read the book. The catholic church is doing a good job of turn people away from the real jesus that is in the bible, that why they dont want you to read it without supervision.
danilopie 1 year ago
@SeenAndNotSeen
You did enough to try and pick it apart... if you can't get the scripture that you are trying to pick apart correct, then what's the logic behind even trying to pick it apart in the first place?
God is good. He gave us free will from the begining and refuses to take that back- he is true to His word. If we allow sin into our lives (Which all of us do) that's our doing because of our free will.
If we get punished it's from our own doing. God is good, we are evil.
midnightpredator18 7 months ago
@midnightpredator18
And while He allows free will so that we can accept sin into our lives, we also have free will to accept Him. If we make the wrong choice, it's truely on us. We've allowed it into our lives from the beginning- He wants to give us everything- we choose to be close minded and stubborn and too afraid to want to answer for the hurt of others we've caused due to our own selfishness. It's as simple as that.
You either accept Him and live or YOU don't and die. Simple concept.
midnightpredator18 7 months ago
@midnightpredator18
"You either accept Him and live or YOU don't and die. Simple concept."
that would be fair, but in general Christianity claims that you do not die in either way bit instead you er being tortured forever
some even say that god will gives us superhuman immortal bodies capable to withstand extreme head of hell, just that we could enjoy eternal pain. not to mentions that god hired army of demons to torture humans in hell as since heat is not enough.
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd Also God didn't hire anybody to torture anyone that's a common misconception. Those demons chose with their free will to follow the devil. The bible states that they aren't even in hell right now- they are here on earth. The bible also teaches us that hell was never created for us- but for them. We either choose to follow what gives us eternal life or we choose what gives us eternal death. It's on us. also , "then that the hell religion is doing?" I didn't understand the question..
midnightpredator18 4 months ago
@midnightpredator18
Maybe you think differently from other, but many Christians believe in what I said.
If it is either eternal life or death it would be fine, then we do not have any problems with morality of god, and he is completely fair.
However Christianity relies on fear o hell and bible has very little meaning because in Christianity you believe in your leaders bible interpretation not in bible itself.
deltaxcd 4 months ago
God Bless! :)
midnightpredator18 7 months ago
@midnightpredator18
"He gave us free will from the begining and refuses to take that back"
then that the hell religion is doing? If god values our free will why he is is telling us how we should live?
I think that is serious infringement of our free will.
Or you are saying that god gave us free will only to chose either to give up that free will, either be destroyed for punishment for not giving it up.
even that could be fine but do human kids have at least these options?
deltaxcd 5 months ago
@deltaxcd Bible says that God judges us each to the accordance of what we knew throughout life. Jesus also said that only those who have the faith of a child will receive the kingdom of heaven. Hope that helps answer that question! :)
midnightpredator18 4 months ago
@midnightpredator18
So, If I have faith, but I absolutely refuse to obey god, I am still qualified for heaven?
deltaxcd 4 months ago
@deltaxcd If you get saved you will have true faith then you want to obey God. The outlook on what you seem to have on obeying God is not the same as how I obey God, though it's the sAme outlook I used to have on obeying God before I got saved. You're talking about following the laws that are in the old testement to a tee in order to obey God. Jesus did that for us that's why He was the perfect sacrifice and the only way to get to God and heaven.
midnightpredator18 4 months ago
From there the Spirit leads you to learn about God so that we can become more like Him. the bible says once we accept God into our lives we are no longer slaves to the world, but conquerors and adopted into the family that is of God. In other words, Jesus calls us His brothers and sisters and we sit at the right hand of God with Jesus. Not when we die, but when we accept Jesus- we are then spotless before Him. He frees us from the iniquities of the world so we don't have to be miserable or carry
midnightpredator18 4 months ago
@midnightpredator18 long as I allow Him to be first, everything I need and even the things that I want have been provided to me. It is the same for every one of us. He doesn't want us to suffer or be in any kind of pain, but for some reason, we'd rather fight His will. Once you finally allow Him into your life though... man nothing beats it.
midnightpredator18 4 months ago
@midnightpredator18 also, sorry bout the message in your inbox that was an accident haha
midnightpredator18 4 months ago
any burden this world has to give us because Jesus suffered so we wouldn't have to- and in any and every area of our lives, not just spiritually, but physically, emotionally, in our relationships, even financially. All God asks is that we accept Jesus and to start relying on Him because His way is better than our ways- I know that from following Him. I've never been so happy and willing to speak to people and help them out till I got saved. Even better, He then helps us become more like Jesus
midnightpredator18 4 months ago
Jesus every day and the more we are like He was in life, the happier and easier it is for us to overcome the things that the world thinks are so horrible. Man I can't even tell you how amazing it really is, you have to experience the goodness on Your own. Another good thing to keep in mind is that real Christianity is not religion. I used to be religious. All religion does is bind you up thats why there are so many sad or angry Christians cos they just follow religion. Real Christianity is
midnightpredator18 4 months ago
relationship with Christ. I don't have to follow the laws, I choose to do what's right and good according to the plan God has for me through the Spirit. Religion is binding, and that's all I knew for a long time, so I fell away from it. Once I got saved and learned how to have a relationship with Christ, and then again started to listen to the Holy Spirit did I realize how freely God is actually allowing me to live. I am free from pain, judgement, poverty, hunger ect. He provides it for me as
midnightpredator18 4 months ago
Christianity 2 already exists doesn't it? Gnosticism!
shiverleaf15 1 year ago
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God does exist.
SummerSunshine1988 1 year ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Whoa, really? This changes everything! I understand everything now. I'm just going to delete all my videos....
No, but seriously: Stop spamming my videos.
SeenAndNotSeen 1 year ago
Why do you people say "god created the universe"? The israelites imbecilles who wrote the goddamn torah 4000 years ago said "the HEAVENS and the earth". They were referring to the VISIBLE SKY and land. That is all. Their limited intelect couldnt understand the concept of the universe even if a telescope dropped on their empty heads. They didnt know better. We got the "miracle" of science, we should know better but sadly we 21th century people still choose to cling to 4000 years ridiculous ideas.
zkr7a10 1 year ago 2
Remember your bible? The Sun and the Moon are the same size, the Moon gives light at night (no Sun required) and the stars are just luminous objects put by the lord yahweh on the night sky for his chosen israelites to enjoy. And "lord yahweh sits above the circle of the earth". Yes, they are talking about a flat earth and obvious didnt have a clue about the physics of the universe, as we know today. Why the hell are we following these people and worship the object of their primitive imagination?
zkr7a10 1 year ago
@zkr7a10 That is just what I was thinking. It isn't the Bronze age anymore.
hawaiisidecar 1 year ago
Christian believes are based on the faulty concept of "free will". However, "free will" does not exist, because all of our decisions are based on our experiences.
God being all-knowing must also know of all a person's decisions in advance.
As there is no point in punishing one's creation for doing exactly what it is supposed to do, we may deduce, that God is neither judging nor punishing.
Which clearly proves, that the bible is not God's word, but a sorry effort of playing God.
flamifer 2 years ago
This video seems to be all about theology. Some denominations include "he descended into hell" in their creed, some don't. Jesus himself used the expression "in the heart of the earth" which could be interpreted as some kind of hell. But Christianity reduces to a few simple concepts: 1) sin is the reason we die 2) our creator considers us valuable and balanced the equation so that we could be eternal. But most Christians are not theologians, just people who believe the Gospel (good news).
karlmahlmann 2 years ago
can you imagine how the number of your "problems" would reduce if you stopped imagining God as a man, or as a person, or better, as an old man somewhere above our heads? the truth is, you can try understand God, but we never will, that's the difference between us - people and Him - God. so don't embarass yourself with such infantile visions and go on with your life - be nice to people and stop arguing about which religion is better and more rational. just calm down, people.. that's what we need.
pipari44 2 years ago
@pipari44
You can say the same thing about any religion you know, that we just don't "understand it"
How can you choose which god is right when there are so many choices? And say that it just sounds like it has problems, not that the god actually does, that we don't understand.
That's why I say that when we are brought up with a lot of choices that sound equally irrational, do the rational thing. Choose none of them.
HylianPirate278 2 years ago
Good video SeenAndNotSeen keep going.
Loa4EVER 2 years ago
not doubt the devil hates god
ncdinastia2 2 years ago
Would you want to worship a god that you..as a human being, understand?
Its not blind following. Its faith.
adamtdeen 2 years ago
Faith is blind by definition.
0mfgD4v3 2 years ago
I'd rather worship a god i know exists.
Chairmaneoin 2 years ago
If the jesus presented here actually were the story of the Christian Bible? I'd bow down to him too!
"Hey everyone free passes for everyone! Well, except me... I paid in blood for your free passes, so I'm going to hell in ersatz for you."
puellanivis 2 years ago
Nice job, keep them coming!
discobates 2 years ago
If reason, logic, evidence or paradox mattered to religious people there wouldn't be any.
ThatLoudGuyMike 2 years ago
I like the new John 3:16 =)
coolbeens21 2 years ago
great sense of humour
wangb13 2 years ago
Very superficial interpretation of christianity I would say.
omocorp 2 years ago
this was a great video, sadly people will still take the side of the tyrant that never calls back when they try to talk to him
Looneveli 2 years ago
wow christianity 2 makes a lot more sense!!!!
princessannikki 2 years ago 2
This is really a lame argument against God. A child could make the same argument against his father. "You have tons of money. Why don't you just build me a house and make sure I never have a reason to get into trouble?" There's a lot to be said for real life & free will. It's the difference between driving a train and driving a car. Christianity is only rational explanation for the human experience and is the only hope for Mankind.
karlmahlmann 3 years ago
Yeah, one time i disobeyed my father, so he locked me in a furnace and will never let me out. He's a great father.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Your argument is against the medieval artists and their concept of hell. The Bible says God is not willing that any should perish. The Bible says "God is love"
karlmahlmann 3 years ago
"The Bible says..."
"The Bible says..."
*squack! Polly wanna cracker!
If someone doesn't love me, I don't TORTURE THEM FOREVER. Do you?
EntinludeX 2 years ago 9
they certainly don't get laid by me...ahahahahahahaahhaahah
G0dspelronin 2 years ago
@ Entinlude X
i certainly would not, if they don't love me SO WHAT? i think that the god they speak of is nowhere near loving, understanding nor forgiving. if god indeed understood everything then why do we need to suffer for eternity for not loving him... hahaha their god is so funny, he's not a god he's more like a spoiled brat..
ding2dong74 2 years ago
Unless I'm totally misreading the story their god is little more than a mafia boss.
The moral of the story is, he sets up the rules and if you break them he breaks you even if you don't know he's there, because he already owns the block. Submit or die.
Kinda like Islam, but obviously far more passive aggressive(...recently).
All the Abrahamic faiths, IMHO are little more than death-cults who ritualized blood sacrifices by worshiping extragalactic tyrants.
EntinludeX 2 years ago 2
If all that truly exists is now. Then forever is defined as this moment. You can't compound time. So eternal damnation can only be defined as this moment. The problem is that we fail to look at the principles of the Bible and try to define them in a 3 dimensional world with a time component. Truth can't be defined only experienced.
trixiejames 2 years ago
@trixiejames
To clai that truth is only experienced is to ignore the difference between personal Experiences and observations.
So then I should follow the bible and fear consequences which are by definition incomprehensible?
Uh experiences alone, without evidence to support them are not truth.
EntinludeX 2 years ago
Besides, what kind of irresponsible father would keep his existence a secret from his children? If you want someone to obey, the first thing you do is make sure that your subjects/children know you exist.
If God were any kind of good father, he'd at least present himself to all his "children" rather than dropping vague clues in ancient sources of indeterminate veracity.
Knowing that my father existed in no way inhibited my free will or ability to disobey him.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
I also fail to see how your initial complaint has anything whatsoever to do with this video. It seems like you didn't even watch the video, assumed it was all about the problem of evil, and then gave a vague response of "free will" to attempt to refute it.
"A child could make the same argument against his father."
Huh? What child would ever ask his father why he damns people (with foreknowledge), why he sacrificed an avatar of himself, and why said avatar's sacrifice wasn't very significant?
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Maybe your childhood was much different than mine, but that conversation never came up between my father and I.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
The point I was arguing against was your contention that free will, our ability to incur harm to ourselves, is an argument for Atheism. I can't see how it would be. No one made you call yourself an Atheist or put up these videos on the internet. You did it all by yourself. 5.5 billion humans think there is ample evidence that we live in a Creation. 76% of physicians believe in God. I don't think God would buy your argument that he hid from you.
karlmahlmann 3 years ago
"I don't think God would buy your argument that he hid from you."
Neither do I, but that's because I don't believe God exists.
There's a difference between believing in A god and believing specifically in the Christian god. A person might conclude that, say, the cosmological argument proves God, but it doesn't in any way suggest Yahweh more than, say, Allah.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Why doesn't God simply present himself directly to everybody at once, just to make sure that everyone knows He exists, rather than relying upon ancient texts claiming personal revelation?
How many Christians are there worldwide? I'll be generous and say 2 billion. That's only 1/3 of the population who believes in Yahweh and Jesus. If I had three kids, I'd be a failure if only one of them knew I existed.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Where and how do I mention free will at all in this video? I seriously think you might be commenting on the wrong video.
This video isn't even an argument "for atheism." It's an argument against orthodox Christianity. The entire point of the video is showing how Christianity could be changed so that it would make more sense. I've made a hypothetical religion that COULD be true, and which includes Yahweh as God. That's about as far from an argument for atheism as you can get.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Why do you assume that, because I'm arguing against a particular interpretation of Christianity, I must be arguing against all religions and gods? There is more than one religion in the world, you know.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
What is presented in the video is not orthodox Christianity. It is a bad parody. Christ's death did not pay for people sins like a monetary transaction, it atoned for them, there is a difference. God always is a forgiving God, but the sacrifice of Jesus Christ reflects the sacrificial love of God. You are reading punishment into this stuff sadly, because that is what Reformed Christians believe. But look up pre-Reformed Christianity some time.
Magnulus76 2 years ago
god is imaginary
jesus never existed
nyarltep 2 years ago 8
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IndividualityMonarch 2 years ago
@nyarltep hey dude ...do you read ? There are many like you who tried to disprove you. read a book called "Evidence that DEMANDS a verdict " by Josh Mcdowall . It a heavy read mased on the laws of evidence which have been in effect for centuries .
Secondly you know God exists ..He has given you that knowledge . Thirdly you dont have the power to punish forever which really is not Gods plans at all . It would be your choice by rejecting Christ's want to save you from this punishment. take care
willie9993 1 year ago
@willie9993 I know Gods the real an all that. One time I was gettin a sub at Subway, an I had to take a crap. The line up was around the block! I was scared and fearin...and then I said "Oh Lord Baby Jesus I really gotta take a crap!!!" and JUST THEN...a lightning bolt hit the other fuckers in the line up...and then it was just me. So miracles really can happen...and dont you forget it! God bless ya, son!
chefshitpiece 10 months ago
@nyarltep jesus did exist but theres no hard evidence that he was "magical"
thegreatninjaman 1 year ago
what about allah?
ptica11 2 years ago
there is no allah, he's fake, its religious believes, only one god, jesus christ, he is the son of god but the fathers glory is in him
brittle1983 2 years ago
i agree there is no yhwh no god jesus all that crap was made up by primitive desert camel jokey
btw i am son of god
ptica11 2 years ago
very good, like am going to fall for that, your the son of god! LOL, its your sins that makes you doubt believes in jesus, and you can mumble jumble all you want because it shows you prefer your sins to the truth, jesus is god, the son of god as they are all in one, god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit
brittle1983 2 years ago
no actually i am god and gods son and holy wind
btw i created u few days ago
all ur memories all false
u r retarded cause i created u that way
ptica11 2 years ago 2
you just keep telling youself that, i have nothing further to say as your comments are just making me laugh
brittle1983 2 years ago
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ptica11 2 years ago
you do not know the truth, because you don't believe in jesus, so therefore, stop blabbering on about something you don't know about
brittle1983 2 years ago
unlike u mr retard i researched into this Mideastern religion and found it to be utterly idiotic
yes savior god sacrificing himself to himself totally absurd but then again imbeciles of ur ilk can believe any bull shit
ptica11 2 years ago
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lets see
xtain dogma in a nuts shell
so this jesus dude who is his own father and son impregnated his own mother to beget himself
he sacrified himself to himself to appease himself for his own blunders (this talking serpant that his put in the garded of eden)
wow only an utter imbecile can be impressed with this pure idiocy
ptica11 2 years ago
Did you even watch the video?
halabalo195 2 years ago
reformed or pre-reformed, Christianity is still mythology.
EntinludeX 2 years ago
5.5 billion creationists, most of whom are hindu or muslim. Most physicians know the DIFFERENCE between KNOWLEDGE and FAITH. You don't seem to...
And then the Lord Zeus said "What do you mean you don't beleive in greek gods!? Disn't you see all the lightning bolts I threw!?"
EntinludeX 2 years ago
"no, that was Thor"
DiceWarwick 2 years ago
physicians? What does a physician, medical practitioner, doctor of medicine, doctor of osteopathic medicine, or medical doctor got to do with anything u said?
orgminyak 2 years ago
Only in that a medical practitioner is using applied knowledge, not applied faith and that the two arenot the same thing. Faith is aplied gullibility.
Not sure WHY I went with physicians as an example. 3 month old rant. *shrug*
EntinludeX 2 years ago
The truth is not a democracy. I don't care how many people think there is evidence for God. 1/4 of Americans think that 9/11 was a conspiracy, does that mean it has any basis? NO!
And again, how am I supposed to know the difference between the Christian God and Allah, what religion I'm supposed to follow?
If one religion is true, then life would be a very dangerous form of Roulette, huh.
HylianPirate278 2 years ago
1st Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate
truthseeker1973 3 years ago
The demotivational poster does have it quite wrong though, so it fails
Everyone will live forever
Communion doesn't save (The bread representing the body)
And no where does it say snake. English versions use the serpent, but it literally means 'shining one'
It's like the reverse of selling icecubes to Eskimos. You can make anything sound silly with proper wording. I could have fun with Atheism or Evolution.
truthseeker1973 3 years ago
I might care if I were the one who made the poster. But I'm not. I just needed an image to correspond to the phrase "Christian theology," so I did a Google image search.
I might also care about your critique of the "Jewish zombie" if I had based the content of my video on the poster. Once again, I did not.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Interesting video.
robertghouston 3 years ago
The problems lay not in God / Jesus, but in man's ability to understand... However, that is how God has things set up at the moment until God is ready to begin the next phase.
That being said... "Hell" is mistranslated into it's current way, but a study into the original languages, hell simply means GRAVE.
The Bible is filled with idioms, metaphors and much deeper spiritual truths that are hidden from most people. Seek God & truth, and the hidden gems are revealed.
Peace! :)
ChristianNewsWatch 3 years ago
No it does not mean GRAVE. Sheol was the word for 'underworld', a temporary place for the dead.
You never find the word sheol ever used in plural form like 'graves', nor used in a sense like a real grave. For example, 'lets bury him in a sheol'
There was a separate Hebrew word used for an actual grave. Old Testament Greek translations translated sheol as Hades. You sound like a JW
truthseeker1973 3 years ago
I'm not a JW.... I'm a follower of Jesus....
ChristianNewsWatch 3 years ago
of course Jesus never claimed to be the father God ... The trinity is a rather new idea and definitely isnt necessarily true for Christianity to be true
XvBiBleMaNvX 3 years ago
Not that literally 'BibleMan', but he did quite a few times. Try reading the Bible, 'BibleMan'. If it is a new idea, then the Bible has lies in it.
truthseeker1973 3 years ago
National Burn Your Bible Day December 25th 2012
interested976 3 years ago
I am against burning Bibles or any other book.
The best way to discredit Christianity is not to burn the Bible, but to actually read it.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Cool vid
metrx330 3 years ago
Are you a athenist?
halabalo195 3 years ago
I don't believe in any gods, not even Athene.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
...;P
halabalo195 3 years ago
adam and eve came for two tribes
super2pac 3 years ago
God is more like us than we know in Geneses He Repents for having made man . Is God all knowing ? I find no biblical evedince of this
hellavadeal 3 years ago
Are those statistics at 1:10 accurate?
Vampiro413 3 years ago
No, they omit all of the deaths God caused by the Great Flood in Genesis. The Bible never says how many people there were, but the entire world population would have been killed, except for two of every animal and eight humans. In other words, the number of God-murders should be much higher than the chart says.
The 10 people killed by Satan are from the Book of Job. He killed Job's family because God let him.
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RubberTunes 3 years ago
All religions are outward expressions. When you trust Christ you begin to change from the inside. You see the truth in this from putting Jesus' teachings into practice. And they are all doable easy things, not like the doctrines of the world. Religion says no more fun, but Jesus says "above all things that you be in good health and prospers just as your soul prospers." That means you wants you to be happy, at that doesn't mean life will be easy.
srhabb 3 years ago
He wants you to be happy, but that doesn't mean life will be easy. The Jesus said "don't be surprised that the world will hate you because the world hated me first. No servant is grater than his master." For people who live in the way it is common to be rejected by others. Jesus said for us to deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow him, don't sound fun do it? Religion makes it all about you when really its all about Jesus.
srhabb 3 years ago
You dont have to take my word for anything but it would be logical that if enough people are saying the same thing,look into it,truthfully.
srhabb 3 years ago
I have more than looked into Christianity. I tried it as a religion, as a "relationship," as an "emulation of Christ."
Perhaps I should look into Islam, which has just as many followers and a far clearer consensus as far as sects go. I fail to see how Christianity and not any other religion demands this much credibility. I give Christianity attention because I live in the midst of it in the U.S. My geography doesn't make it any more likely to be true, though, than any other religon.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Thats where a lot of people make a mistake. People say they accept Christ and then spend all this energy trying to earn salvation or do all these religious things. Christ died an rose again so you would have to do any of that stuff. We are imperfect in our own jacked up ways but the good news is that God works with us just the way we are. We can't make ourselves acceptable to God under our own merits and abilities.
srhabb 3 years ago
God wants to restore a relationship he once had with man, not a religion. Religion only bring pride or dispare and both of these lead to sin.
srhabb 3 years ago
No,the bible is written by over 40 authors bearing the same constant message. The bible states that it is written by man but by the inspiration of God. It also says it is good for teaching and correction in the ways of righteousness. Now if you look at these claims its sounds like its setting a standard. But if you read the bible "in context" You will see that the standard can not be fulfilled by man's efforts but only by they sacrifice of Jesus. This bridges the gap between God and Man.
srhabb 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure I already went over this in the video. For God/Jesus to have to sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself makes no sense at all. Neither does the emphasis on the laws in the Pentateuch, which are thrown out by the end of teh Bible. Hardly consistent.
Of course, consistency means nothing. To make the canon, the Council of Nicea had to exclude the most contradictory doctrines and works. To say that this "proves" the bible's inspiration is circular reasoning.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Mmhmm,yea, just as I thought. You got out your truth tables and Venn diagrams and what ever else you use to rack your brain will all that logic and reason shows that you were not trying learn or understand anything,you just want to rationalize. Remeber when I said read the bible "IN CONTEXT"? That would help. But like you said before others have told you this already.
srhabb 3 years ago
It's also odd that a book with a supposedly clear, constant, and unified message has produced thousands of incompatible sects and interpretations, all with their own scriptural support. The Bible is the most confusing and divisive work known to man! God is, indeed, the author of confusion. But I guess that's man's fault too. After all, it's not like God is omnipotent and can make everyone understand even if he wanted to!
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
The bible is NOT one book. Its a collection of books, not necessarily in chronological order. You cant ready it like an ordinary book. But you do have comprehension so you can read it in context. The old testament is a bunch of books and the New testament is a collection of epistles or letters.
srhabb 3 years ago
Yes, I know this. Certain biblical literalists, though, refuse to acknowledge this.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
I just said I was testing you, remember? Anyway, All religion is wrong, God doesn't like it, it doesn't work and it was never supposed to be part of life. Religion is man made doctrines that attempt to please God. The bible confirms this.
srhabb 3 years ago
Is that the point you've been talking about? I have heard the cliche "Christianity isn't a religion, it's a relationship" so many times.
"Religion doesn't work and it was never supposed to be part of life. Religion is man made doctrines that attempt to please God. The bible confirms this."
What are you saying? That the Bible is man-made, and the doctrines contained therein are useless attempts at connecting with God?
If there's any proof that religion doesn't work, it's the Bible. I agree.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Biblicism is indeed a manmade doctrine. If there is a god, I doubt that worshiping a man in his place is going to please him, nor will symbolic acts of cannibalism and cleansing with water. The trinity is manmade, the "god-man" is man-made, and the Bible and its canon are man-made.
This sounds very much like Deism, which, if there is any god, would indeed make a lot of sense. If God created the universe, surely the universe itself would have better insight into God than any work of literature.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
This video misses the ENTIRE POINT. Bare foolishness.
srhabb 3 years ago
Bare foolishness is the entire point of Christianity? Oh, I already knew that, that's why I made the video.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
You obviously don't have an understand of what the point is. I could explain it to you but I would either be wasting my time or you would actually seek out the truth of why so many people follow Jesus. Don't worry, you're not the first person to misunderstand the gospel and you wont be the last.
srhabb 3 years ago
"I've got the answer, I'm just not telling!"
A likely story, indeed. In other words, I don't know believe in Christianity, therefore I don't know what the point is, because if I knew what the point was, I would believe it. Ah, I hear you loud and clear.
Mind you, there is a very good point to this video, but you obviously don't understand it, so I'd be wasting my time telling you what it is. But trust me, there is a point to the video, I'm just not telling you.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Quit having conversations with yourself and jumping to conclusions. What I said is what I meant. You can read right? Based on your last comment its clear you are quick to judge and slow to learn regardless of your bias of the information available. I see your point to the video but you don't see the point of the message of the bible.
srhabb 3 years ago
"you don't see the point of the message of the bible."
...which is?
Pardon me for thinking that, just because you claim to know the point of the Gospel but you won't be so kind as to actually share it, that you are simply making it up.
Am I slow to learn? What am I supposed to have learned? You haven't told me anything!
So please, fill me in on the point of the Gospels.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago
Is it wrong to test and see if conversing with you would be a waste of time first? If actually want to exchange knowledge instead of possibly baiting me into receiving condescending ridicule, I will tell you. Are you genuine?
srhabb 3 years ago
Judging by the fact that you yourself have been simply baiting me, bragging that you have this profound understanding of Christianity, and by the fact that your first comment was a mere hurl of insult with no substance whatsoever, you yourself hardly seem genuine. Bare foolishness? You're too important to waste your time on me? Talk about condescending ridicule!
The point of my video is that Christianity, in its current, orthodox form, makes no sense and teaches very harmful lessons.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago