The werewolves didn't attack you first, Zathrian simply convinced you into attacking them first! Not the most sensible choice in my opinion, I would have defended Zathrian only if the werewolves had started the attack.
it's easy to second-guess someone when you KNOW what else could have happened. toegoff did what he thought best at the time, which is all anyone can do. it's called RP, folks... complaining because someone didn't 'do it right' is missing the point of the game, to me.
too bad there's not a 'let's play' of life, we'd get all the achievements.
So there's really no way you could get an army of werewolves? Since killing the werewolves wouldn't leave any werewolves left, and almost-killing Zathrian lifts the curse, so that they're no longer werewolves...
@Degitalxxxde3trgfXXX The argument defeats itself. If he was a dark spawn...he wouldn't be an elf. If he wasn't an elf, I wouldn't have sided with him
@Toegoff what if he was a shriek? they are darkspawned elfs, and with the Architect's help you may have encountered an intalligent one. will he count as a darkspawn or an elf? O_o
@nickofmillertime Don't be so sure. An elven brood mother spawns elven darkspawn no? You may not count them as such, but some people do and the answer isn't that obvious. In the end, everyones opinion is valid although last time i checked, i wanted TOEGOFF's opinion, since he was the one who came with the whole "help the elves" idea.
well i did this part and i'm glad that i did go with the werewolves. it was the only way to end it peacefully and gain the elves as allies. But really Toegoff, you made a horrible decision, basing the choice on race and not fully thinking it threw. X(
@vincerelee Agreed, these videos make me seriously consider not watching the rest of the Let's Play. This was such a horrible resolution to this situation
i love your walkthroughs but dam teogoff's image for me is in pieces now bad BAD chose, oh well i guess that way it a blind lets play, but still wow man bad chose, anyway good other vids. X [ T-T =/ EVIL TOEGOFF
Toe, incase you're doing another playthrough for random fun my way of beating this boss was just to have Shale quake the wolves while i (the mage) run off and join Zathrian and just beat down witherfang because after you defeat her, the battle is over
Dude, you were so lucky to have Witherfang attack Zathrian at the end! And in my opinion, it doesn't matter which "moral" choice you made this time around, that just supports the re-playability of this game.
does anyone kno if when u dl the dlc does it stay there for all accounts (new games) that u start with? idk if this is a dumb question but i was wondering that
Actually, for another playthrough if u insist on the ritual and fight Zathrian then he will submit and agree to it and die peacefully and the elves will still side with u and u will get credit for helping the elves even so.
I can't wait to see what you do at orzamar, seeing as there are so many ways to resolve the issues there. And it really changes your perspective if youve played the noble dwarf origin.
And very nice job on the fight , did a lot better than I did!
The wolves could still be bitter. They've been cursed for a good long time. Perhaps now as truly thinking beings and not as savage, they could form an actual plan against the elves. They could also turn on me in the final battle when the blood rage hits.
The elves might also lose hope. Remember, they believed the keeper discovered ancient magic long lost to the culture. Does this help to inspire them? When they find out it's a lie, would they crumble?
@Toegoff I chose to fight Zathrian with the werewolves as allies and when was defeated, he lifted the curse and died with it, but the werewolves became human again... too bad for the alliance... the elves still side with you though...
@Toegoff Correct. Swiftrunner is actually even more unhappy with the result, saying that the revenge does not soothe him. If you can put the pieces together of everything he's said from the beginning and from all endings, you'll find out that he and his people would have actually rather died or gained their humanity, rather than live as creatures rejected from their own society.
@Michaeluj i actually killed witherfang and killed zathrian after. its actually easier than you would think to kill zathrian. i did it on my first try on normal difficulty and i'm not positive but i'm pretty sure that the werewolves turn on you. not to helpful for your army against the darkspawn is it buddy ;)
Ur party really blows dude
ilikebaldpussy 4 months ago
The werewolves didn't attack you first, Zathrian simply convinced you into attacking them first! Not the most sensible choice in my opinion, I would have defended Zathrian only if the werewolves had started the attack.
Patatmetmayo 8 months ago
it's easy to second-guess someone when you KNOW what else could have happened. toegoff did what he thought best at the time, which is all anyone can do. it's called RP, folks... complaining because someone didn't 'do it right' is missing the point of the game, to me.
too bad there's not a 'let's play' of life, we'd get all the achievements.
cherrilarp 10 months ago 5
@cherrilarp my 1st playthrough I sided with the wolves
FALUKYOURMOM 7 months ago
So there's really no way you could get an army of werewolves? Since killing the werewolves wouldn't leave any werewolves left, and almost-killing Zathrian lifts the curse, so that they're no longer werewolves...
Blunka796 10 months ago
So if Zatherian was a darkspawn you would go on his side? >.>
Degitalxxxde3trgfXXX 11 months ago
@Degitalxxxde3trgfXXX The argument defeats itself. If he was a dark spawn...he wouldn't be an elf. If he wasn't an elf, I wouldn't have sided with him
Toegoff 11 months ago
@Toegoff what if he was a shriek? they are darkspawned elfs, and with the Architect's help you may have encountered an intalligent one. will he count as a darkspawn or an elf? O_o
147258502 7 months ago
@147258502 No they are darkspawn, spawned from a elven brood mother. They aren't elves.
*facepalm*
nickofmillertime 2 months ago in playlist Toegoff, Dragon Age Origins
@nickofmillertime Don't be so sure. An elven brood mother spawns elven darkspawn no? You may not count them as such, but some people do and the answer isn't that obvious. In the end, everyones opinion is valid although last time i checked, i wanted TOEGOFF's opinion, since he was the one who came with the whole "help the elves" idea.
147258502 2 months ago
well i did this part and i'm glad that i did go with the werewolves. it was the only way to end it peacefully and gain the elves as allies. But really Toegoff, you made a horrible decision, basing the choice on race and not fully thinking it threw. X(
majorjul96 11 months ago
why dosnt he ever use chain lightning
deathtosanta 1 year ago
This part was just too sad for me,Toegoff's bad chose lead me to just skip this two videos.
vincerelee 1 year ago
@vincerelee Agreed, these videos make me seriously consider not watching the rest of the Let's Play. This was such a horrible resolution to this situation
mtbedwards 1 year ago
i love your walkthroughs but dam teogoff's image for me is in pieces now bad BAD chose, oh well i guess that way it a blind lets play, but still wow man bad chose, anyway good other vids. X [ T-T =/ EVIL TOEGOFF
cesarsalads1 1 year ago
Sorry Toegoff, but after seeing you kill the werewolves, YOU MADE THE LIST!! (The Elf, not the real life human)
thatfallout3guy 1 year ago
lol at that spastic wolf at the end
BattlefieldHigh 1 year ago
WERS JACOB AT!!!!!!! XD
kaganluvstacos 1 year ago
@kaganluvstacos am shocked you would even say that joke or not these are sorta real werewolf no wee gay one that cant kill a sparkly vamp
Gekido92Aikbob101 1 year ago
Toe, incase you're doing another playthrough for random fun my way of beating this boss was just to have Shale quake the wolves while i (the mage) run off and join Zathrian and just beat down witherfang because after you defeat her, the battle is over
headbangerdmc123 1 year ago
just out of curiosity, how do you kill a rock?
RosalieHale1995 1 year ago
@RosalieHale1995 With a hammer.
thatfallout3guy 1 year ago
@thatfallout3guy
riiiiight.
RosalieHale1995 1 year ago
8:10 he froze the treeO.O
death6998 1 year ago
you crushed the good ending with a giant heavy mallet
126kyoko 1 year ago
you crushed the good ending with a giant heavy mallet :(
126kyoko 1 year ago
Woah what weapon does your guy have it looks awesome
Jman303122 1 year ago
lol a straggling werewolf.
mrunposible 1 year ago
EVERYONE, HE WAS JUST PLAYIGN AS THE REAL CHARACTER, TOEGOFF WOULD DO IF IT WAS REALITY SO DONT GO MOANIGN AT HIM... plse stfu now
Phantomblade3000 1 year ago
You do know if you beat the elf guy the wolves will be human and the elfs will join your team in the finall battle
lillig5 1 year ago
Stop spoiling,you guys are the real monsters here.
orlyshark 1 year ago
@orlyshark We are just explaining what we think is the better choice here.We are also not spoiling we are just telling the other side to this quest.
bloodyroadahead 1 year ago
u suck, u killd the werewolves-.-
Pedrospr 1 year ago
Dude, you were so lucky to have Witherfang attack Zathrian at the end! And in my opinion, it doesn't matter which "moral" choice you made this time around, that just supports the re-playability of this game.
Rhayzor 2 years ago
I think you should leave allistair behind, he really holds you back
SexxStar 2 years ago
i sided with elves too but fought the elf, then he gave up and lifted the curse.
Krathis191 2 years ago
its sad you sided with that monster of an elf!!
Frostlich1228 2 years ago
i was hoping he'd see the bigger picture
aaron75fy 1 year ago
i think you made a mistake... you take trees to fight in battle... rather then werewolves?
Trees VS were wolves... CMON MAN DX
YeahCain2 2 years ago
he gets elvin archers which are very usefull for the last boss
TorsoManza 2 years ago
does anyone think that there might be any vampires in this cause if there is i will kill each and every one of them
xrbl00dx 2 years ago
finished the game and didn't encounter even 1 vampire
aragenn 2 years ago
does anyone kno if when u dl the dlc does it stay there for all accounts (new games) that u start with? idk if this is a dumb question but i was wondering that
killapOOn312 2 years ago
@killapOOn312: yes, dlcs will be there for every new character as long as you are logged in with the same EA account.
entitled1 2 years ago
if you side with the lady zathrien sends giant trees 2 fight
why didnt he do it of you side with him
BladeTheHedgehog0 2 years ago 2
@BladeTheHedgehog0
its simply for a fair fight whichever way you go, if you side with zathrian, its the party + zathrian vs witherfang + wolves,
if you side with witherfang its witherfang + party vs zathrian + trees
BlindGam3r 2 years ago
actuallty witherfang doesnt help you fight zathrain he freezes all the wolves
TorsoManza 2 years ago
well since you done what you have to do
its nice to see the other side i didnt choosed xD
hell they are bloody strong~!!
69Mortal 2 years ago
i reall ywanted warewolf ally but i guess it wasnt meant to be :(
oTyLeRv 2 years ago
I hope the werewolves eat you alive and use your bones for play ing fetch and hiding in holes for storage!! Thats it im calling P.E.T.A.
Nazzul 2 years ago 6
elfs or the werebests:D i like werebeasts:D what attack elf or werebeasts ?:D
TheSuperBigRocker 2 years ago
if you go with the wolfs you fight zathrian and when you almost kill him he gives up and breaks the curse and comes to your side
jebus99subej 2 years ago 29
so you get 2 for the price of 1?
draakgast 2 years ago 2
ya it all works out good that way
jebus99subej 2 years ago 2
kick ass
draakgast 2 years ago
get Zathrian GET ZATHRIAN lol
DragonLordBP 2 years ago
Actually, for another playthrough if u insist on the ritual and fight Zathrian then he will submit and agree to it and die peacefully and the elves will still side with u and u will get credit for helping the elves even so.
Sixtorrhapsody 2 years ago 32
yep that was the better choice
sirwence 2 years ago
I think as an elf, Togoff did the "right" thing in siding with his people...
ptan54 2 years ago
Although he could have still got the elves to side with him if he got Zathrian to do the ritual aswell. That would have been the morally good ending.
Toegoff still got the elves to side with him but through the morally bad means.
Malikaye90 2 years ago 3
I can't wait to see what you do at orzamar, seeing as there are so many ways to resolve the issues there. And it really changes your perspective if youve played the noble dwarf origin.
And very nice job on the fight , did a lot better than I did!
TheNesNoob 2 years ago
I stand by Toegoff on the decision to kill the pups.
Let it be known that not only will there be elves, but said elves shall have EXCELLENT leather gloves!
Warcraftidiot135 2 years ago
dude... i disagree with u
werewolf also can help u in the army.
the damm mage should let shale kill him
he started all this and it only right if he end without harming those wolf and the lady
xmaple1x 2 years ago 5
i wonder if the elves would hav still joined you if you decided to kill the elf mage and lift the curse.
thedarknesscallingme 2 years ago
they would nt join u and after killing that mage , it wont even affected those recruit the elf...
xmaple1x 2 years ago
so you could still recruit the elves but not the werewolves after the curse has been lifted? man that sucks.
thedarknesscallingme 2 years ago 2
Perhaps he didnt think killing the elf would have any effect on the curse.
Nazzul 2 years ago 2
I would've picked the wolves for three reasons:
A final battle with them by my side would be epic.
The elves have a chance of still being friendly.
It would've been easier to take care of the elf with an army of wolves, instead of fighting that army.
Shame that they're out.
Michaeluj 2 years ago 15
The wolves could still be bitter. They've been cursed for a good long time. Perhaps now as truly thinking beings and not as savage, they could form an actual plan against the elves. They could also turn on me in the final battle when the blood rage hits.
The elves might also lose hope. Remember, they believed the keeper discovered ancient magic long lost to the culture. Does this help to inspire them? When they find out it's a lie, would they crumble?
Toegoff 2 years ago 4
@Toegoff I chose to fight Zathrian with the werewolves as allies and when was defeated, he lifted the curse and died with it, but the werewolves became human again... too bad for the alliance... the elves still side with you though...
peris1995 1 year ago
@Toegoff Correct. Swiftrunner is actually even more unhappy with the result, saying that the revenge does not soothe him. If you can put the pieces together of everything he's said from the beginning and from all endings, you'll find out that he and his people would have actually rather died or gained their humanity, rather than live as creatures rejected from their own society.
Goldfishyy707 1 year ago
@Toegoff you could have just freed the werewolves from their curse
by agreeing to the lady's ritual
no-one (cept zathrian) needed to die
but toegoff (the character not you) is now in my eyes a xenophobic bitch who will kill anyone but his own species no matter what they did
Lostprophetzzz 1 year ago
@Michaeluj i actually killed witherfang and killed zathrian after. its actually easier than you would think to kill zathrian. i did it on my first try on normal difficulty and i'm not positive but i'm pretty sure that the werewolves turn on you. not to helpful for your army against the darkspawn is it buddy ;)
headbangerdmc123 1 year ago
Aah and sot the great and somewat peaceful race of werewolf ends... WITH A TOEGOFF AXE TO THE FACE!!!
Xman42635 2 years ago
epic fight
shadow66440 2 years ago
Great video, once again. Made me laugh a lot
FlyThruDAir 2 years ago
When the Master player say's alistair/Toegoff to drink poition drink it now.
BertJundt 2 years ago
I just finished this part about 2 hours ago and killed the wolf also instead of bringing zethrian
OverKillz11 2 years ago
nice, that was a long battle
itnsk 2 years ago
Quite the fight.
Cerebus9 2 years ago