Just a note to say thank you for your research and insights. I have always detested the doctrine of original sin. When Jesus calls the little children to him and tells us that we must become like them I just could not accept the doctrine of original sin.
I came out of Mormonism and become a Methodist because the Methodists did not have doctrine that I could not defend. John Wesley writes about it but not a clearly as you have stated it. Thanks you again.
Really we just have to look to Jesus for the answer to this question. Jesus was made like us in all ways (2:17). If we are born sinners then Jesus was born a sinner. If Jesus was not born a sinner, then neither were we. Jesus faced temptation and sin just like one of us to show that sin could be overcome. Thats why Paul answers the question shall we continue in sin? May it never be. If we are born sinners and cant help ourselves, then jesus was not made like us in all ways.
wow! 1 John was written to beloved which means to a believer. Romans 5:12-18. Romans 7:7-25. and 24Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Apostle Paul sinned, and you saying that you do not sin daily. I am sorry Jesse, but all us sin untill the day we die because of the flesh. Second of all, you do not know what a sin is. Sin is not doing the will of God. Before you was born again on the daily basis you had done nothing but a sin. Holy Spirit can tell what is will
Romans 5 says that Adam has put us in the position where we can choose to be sinners, because He disobeyed by eating from the tree of life. Once we choose to sin, we become spiritually dead.
Romans 7 is about a sinner who is under the conviction of the law. Romans 7 is the condition of an unsaved man. It is a narrative, not Paul's current or actual state. Romans 6 is Paul's actual state, when he said he was "FREE FROM SIN"!. Amen!
The flesh is not sin neither does the flesh force us to sin. Jesus came in the flesh! Yet Jesus was perfect. Therefore you can be perfect in this life even in the flesh we have before glorification. My flesh is not glorified, but it is sanctified. The Bible says we are to present our flesh as a living sacrifice, to yield our flesh as an instrument of righteousness, that God might wholly sanctify us spirit, soul, and flesh!
Sanctification is moral perfection, glorification is physical perfection
I'm not so sure I would be comparing our flesh with the flesh of Jesus, as Jesus had no earthly father and so I'm thinking this may be why he had no sin nature passed to him from Adam. I agree we are not forced to sin, but we certainly are born with a sin nature or natural tendency toward sinning that can of course be overcome by our freewill and with the help of the Holy Spirit.
The Bible says that Gentiles do by nature the things contained in the law because of their conscience, the law written on their hearts.
A conscience is a part of our nature so that we naturally feel bad when we do wrong and naturally feel good when we do right. In this way we have a constitutional tendency to obey the law of God, even though men freely choose to go against their nature and sin.
Would I be right in thinking, then, that you believe it *is* possible to sin and yet not know that you have? And that it is possible to sin "non-willfully", that is, *not deliberately*, to sin by accident, without meaning to - that is, *not* according to our choice? Yet your whole thesis (unless I've missed something here) is that Good and Evil are choices. I'm very confused.
I don't believe that actions committed in ignorance are truly "sins". Some people do. When I say that I do not have sin in my life, those people usually think that I also include actions done in ignorance. I do not. Therefore I clarify, using their own language, by saying that I don't have any known sin. In their view, your actions are sin even if you don't know that they are. But in my view, sin is always deliberate rebellion.
Let me ask you a question do you sin daily with your eyes? Do you covet or lust in your heart on the daily basis? Or can a Christian fall into sin like King David or Peter after resurrection (Acts 10, 11) by turning into a redneck by questining if God can save a gentile?
Mr Morrell, I have to confess I did not listen to the Q&A when I first listened to the teaching. Now that I have, I'm a bit more confused. You say, "I'm not living in willful sin or known sin." You quote Heb 10:26 and say that there shouldn't be any "known, willful sin in our lives".
Just a note to say thank you for your research and insights. I have always detested the doctrine of original sin. When Jesus calls the little children to him and tells us that we must become like them I just could not accept the doctrine of original sin.
I came out of Mormonism and become a Methodist because the Methodists did not have doctrine that I could not defend. John Wesley writes about it but not a clearly as you have stated it. Thanks you again.
Gene
GSOlsen123 8 months ago
I'm shocked 0.0
bluliite 2 years ago
Really we just have to look to Jesus for the answer to this question. Jesus was made like us in all ways (2:17). If we are born sinners then Jesus was born a sinner. If Jesus was not born a sinner, then neither were we. Jesus faced temptation and sin just like one of us to show that sin could be overcome. Thats why Paul answers the question shall we continue in sin? May it never be. If we are born sinners and cant help ourselves, then jesus was not made like us in all ways.
BibleAlone 3 years ago
wow! 1 John was written to beloved which means to a believer. Romans 5:12-18. Romans 7:7-25. and 24Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Apostle Paul sinned, and you saying that you do not sin daily. I am sorry Jesse, but all us sin untill the day we die because of the flesh. Second of all, you do not know what a sin is. Sin is not doing the will of God. Before you was born again on the daily basis you had done nothing but a sin. Holy Spirit can tell what is will
ak1986 3 years ago
Romans 5 says that Adam has put us in the position where we can choose to be sinners, because He disobeyed by eating from the tree of life. Once we choose to sin, we become spiritually dead.
Romans 7 is about a sinner who is under the conviction of the law. Romans 7 is the condition of an unsaved man. It is a narrative, not Paul's current or actual state. Romans 6 is Paul's actual state, when he said he was "FREE FROM SIN"!. Amen!
bibletheology 3 years ago
The flesh is not sin neither does the flesh force us to sin. Jesus came in the flesh! Yet Jesus was perfect. Therefore you can be perfect in this life even in the flesh we have before glorification. My flesh is not glorified, but it is sanctified. The Bible says we are to present our flesh as a living sacrifice, to yield our flesh as an instrument of righteousness, that God might wholly sanctify us spirit, soul, and flesh!
Sanctification is moral perfection, glorification is physical perfection
bibletheology 3 years ago
I'm not so sure I would be comparing our flesh with the flesh of Jesus, as Jesus had no earthly father and so I'm thinking this may be why he had no sin nature passed to him from Adam. I agree we are not forced to sin, but we certainly are born with a sin nature or natural tendency toward sinning that can of course be overcome by our freewill and with the help of the Holy Spirit.
blackshadowsnoopy 2 years ago
The Bible says that Gentiles do by nature the things contained in the law because of their conscience, the law written on their hearts.
A conscience is a part of our nature so that we naturally feel bad when we do wrong and naturally feel good when we do right. In this way we have a constitutional tendency to obey the law of God, even though men freely choose to go against their nature and sin.
bibletheology 2 years ago
Would I be right in thinking, then, that you believe it *is* possible to sin and yet not know that you have? And that it is possible to sin "non-willfully", that is, *not deliberately*, to sin by accident, without meaning to - that is, *not* according to our choice? Yet your whole thesis (unless I've missed something here) is that Good and Evil are choices. I'm very confused.
1OfTheRest 3 years ago
I don't believe that actions committed in ignorance are truly "sins". Some people do. When I say that I do not have sin in my life, those people usually think that I also include actions done in ignorance. I do not. Therefore I clarify, using their own language, by saying that I don't have any known sin. In their view, your actions are sin even if you don't know that they are. But in my view, sin is always deliberate rebellion.
bibletheology 3 years ago
Let me ask you a question do you sin daily with your eyes? Do you covet or lust in your heart on the daily basis? Or can a Christian fall into sin like King David or Peter after resurrection (Acts 10, 11) by turning into a redneck by questining if God can save a gentile?
ak1986 3 years ago
Mr Morrell, I have to confess I did not listen to the Q&A when I first listened to the teaching. Now that I have, I'm a bit more confused. You say, "I'm not living in willful sin or known sin." You quote Heb 10:26 and say that there shouldn't be any "known, willful sin in our lives".
1OfTheRest 3 years ago