Dawkins has claimed, “As for religion … nobody wields a sharper bayonet than Sam Harris.” Harris debated Craig on 7th April. In his opening statement in that debate, Harris declared that Dr Craig is “the one Christian apologist who seems to have put the fear of God into many of my fellow atheists.” After that debate, the atheist website Debunking Christianity reported: “Bill (Craig) has once again showed himself as the best debater of this generation.” ROFL LMFAO
Dawkins has claimed, “As for religion … nobody wields a sharper bayonet than Sam Harris.” Harris debated Craig on 7th April. In his opening statement in that debate, Harris declared that Dr Craig is “the one Christian apologist who seems to have put the fear of God into many of my fellow atheists.” After that debate, the atheist website Debunking Christianity reported: “Bill (Craig) has once again showed himself as the best debater of this generation.” ROFL
Science can never prove that GOD DOES NOT EXIST, science is the study of laws of nature, not the lawmaker, even hardcore atheists accepts that science can not prove how the birth of universe took place. Look at Big Bang Theory, the most religious theory that a bang happened out of nothing...As per science, LOVE is nothing but a bunch of chemical reactions in our brains, i guess we "animals" should just start taking prozac every time our brain wants love, shouldn't we?
People love to use Flew as an example of "God prevailing". He converted to deism you idiots. He doesn't believe all the religious baloney. This is hardly any different than atheism, because either way, God is completely irrelevant, there is not afterlife, and we aren't living in a celestial North Korea (Christopher Hitchens :D)
Fourth attempt: Is this being knowable by us do you think?
F: Well, we are presumably thinking we know of his existence.. as that as there should be anything else to know about him other than what we've suggested. We have apparently got all the knowledge of this being that's going to be available.
Interviewer tries again: So, so if this being is doing SOMETHING he must be personal in some sense?
(Logic?)
F: I, I should have thought that but this is completely new to me I haven't even begun to think about this book that I'm certainly not going to attempt to write.
I must admit that I haven't read Flew's books related to his deism. The complexity of DNA etc is why he gave up atheism, but how does he explain the complexity of the creator of DNA? Anyone who knows his solution to this equally troublesome mystery?
There are 2 kinds of atheists - one is an honest sincere seeker of TRUTH, while the other is often a bitter angry individual who seeks only to refute the existence of God.
@Pivotman1 Pivotman1, you are so woefully incorrect it isn't funny.
Reality Check:
First off, Flew WAS NOT afraid of death. Despite believing in God, he NEVER believed in an afterlife; it was not motivation for his conversion.
Secondly, he converted to THEISM, not CHRISTIANITY. They are two entirely different things. Theism is merely a belief in God. Christianity is believing is Jesus Christ, and everything that comes with it.
@SteelFoundation Incorrect, I actually look forward to death as to see what happens. Its going to be a big surprise. If I wind up in hell and the Christian God is real, that's fine because I rather burn for eternity rather than live for eternity along side a super being whose ego is disastrously immoral and just fucking evil. I'd also like to add in that heaven is going to be boring anyway, if you live for eternity and see everything nothing will be exiting so I'll pass on that one.
@Pivotman1 And in that response you used every cliche in the book, what do you guys feed off from? a bad episode of Supernatural..." heaven will be boring" only a complete idiot would imagine heaven as being full of clouds and angels playing harps...but for the simple minds of the world they can't get past that...and you contradict yourself.. you say there is no higer power next thing you know you are labelling it as evil and immoral...if I was as confused as you are I would be livid
@Pivotman1 I Read this and couldn't help but say something that a friend pointed out to me. 1. Why would heaven be boring if you're living with a creator of the universe? 2. We only call things boring through a human perspective 3. The scientific laws of this universe may not necessarily apply to other universes. 4. Another thing i'd like to point out is that angels are also eternal, but they apparently haven't got bored, because they're STILL in heaven. I'm just trying to clear that up.
@sgtsolo1 That's your speculation, but nowhere in the Bible says it will not be boring. If you live for a Billion Years and see Billions of years of content you are bound to get bored. Nothing is infinite even space is limited but Ideas are not forever expanding.
@Pivotman1 Correct some of the things i said were just speculations, but they are logical. The speculation you made "nowhere in the Bible says it will not be boring." If your pulling that one out my answer is that the bible also DOESN'T say it will be boring. I'm sorry but i can only see bad arguments here. "If you live for a Billion Years and see Billions of years of content you are bound to get bored." Tell me, how many stars and galaxy's are in THIS universe? Trillions.
@Pivotman1 "A real Atheist will never become a Christian."
you must be terribly insecure in your atheism if you must reassure yourself with the idea that no real atheist can change his mind...that's the no true scotsman fallacy for you.
"For since the creation of the world God's invisible attributes-his eternal power and divine nature-have been understood and observed by what He made, so that people are without excuse.' Romans 1:20
People like Flew only come to the facts that already exist.
He is saying he is a deist which means that from a day to day existence point of view, there is no god. The leap from deism to theism is many times greater than that from atheism to deism.
@efb1991 "...viewed all the evidence with no prejudice..."
What evidence?
@991Fate I think you will find you are wrong. Atheism is a lack of belief of unsupported claims - atheists (the rational ones, anyway) do not assert there is no god, simply point out that theists have not fulfilled their burden of proof. Disbelief is the default position until a claim has been reasonably justified.
@lion575 I say they are not mutually exclusive - you can be both. I am an agnostic atheist; I don't know there is no god, but I believe there is no god based on lack of evidence.
@efb1991 Dawkins will never convert. His morality is to flawed. His Atheism is not out of logic or reason, it is out of pure selfishness and desire to be right. He uses his writings in Atheism to back some of his scientific genetic claims "The selfish Gene" similar to how Freud used his philosophical writings to justify the fact he was a pervert. I have seen Dawkins over and over misconstrue the concept of faith (ie faith is not blind), he has no virtue to speak of and is overtaken by pride.
Dawkins is blind completely, please watch my video and his disappointment to get an answer other than God even from a Nobel Prize atheist physicist, and his disappointment will be much greater when he meet his creator: Atheists Blind Faith - Richard Dawkins and Steven Weinberg - God or the multiverse?: /watch?v=oO0QRUX4HGE
@jtalfredo22 I'm not advocating religion of any kind. I'm saying that the fact you find the bible to be incorrect does not prove or disprove the existence of a God.
Look up Gerald Schroeder in the search box, and look at the half-hour video. His evidence is what convinced Flew. He is a brilliant man. Just watch and see.
@efb1991 Since when is it biased to disagreee? It is up to you to provide the evidence for a God. If you aren't willing to, then don't expect people to trust you or convert to your religion.
@efb1991 Pardon me, but how exactly are they any more biased than what you, or any member of a faith for that matter, are? I could ask you the exact same question: Why won't YOU convert? I'm not just asking in terms of Atheism, but in terms of any religion that differs from yours. I'm going to assume you're a Christian for the sake of argument. What makes your views so much more true than that of a Muslim's? A Jew's? Hindu's? Fact of the matter is you are just as biased as those who you named.
@smbz1 On the contrary,I'm very open-minded to other faiths and new ideas, and when I was trying to find myself, years ago,I read up on many different faiths, and their practices.
My faith is not anymore valid than another's;we are all equal. My holding is that all faiths are divinely inspired, all defined on the (pretty wide) definition of God, and are equally valid.
People have different interpretations of God. Some just believe he doesn't exist. I think we're past that basic point.
@efb1991 What exactly makes the thought of a God not existing a basic point? Does it make Atheists bad people? Does it make them idiotic as a whole? I know that I for one just do not see any evidence for a higher being. And no, I don't consider the unknown as a justification for evidence. The unknown was always given supernatural explanations until we truly figured out how things worked.
So why exactly is the option of no God out of the question for you, anyways?
@efb1991 How are the atheists you named biased? Also, that's not a reason for atheism to be untrue. I could say the same thing about lots of Christians being biased when they argue for God, and that that somehow disproves Christianity.
@efb1991 None of them will convert because they have been given no evidence to show that is a reasonable thing to do, despite decades of asking for it.
I don't know how famous of an atheist Flew ever was, but he doesn't seem to have been a very sharp philosopher and even less of a scientist. His misunderstanding of Einstein's stance is profound and his belief that Einstein was an expert on late 20th century biology is also very mistaken.
So he comes around to believing in a GOD (Intelligent, Omnipotent, Omniscient Creator) that he says emphatically has no personal relation with creation...then bashes Islam and brings out the Pom Poms for Christianity when they both have had relatively similar effects on the world and respective followers. This is guy is just throwing all objective reasoning out the window. Glad he came around to believing in a GOD...but dude....somebody help him with his delusion on religious matters.
@ltose Information is what changed flew. Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
@ThoseWereTheDays56 Yes he was. Information is what changed flew. Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
@5tonyvvvv Sorry tony, but you're quite mistaken. Chirality happens in the lab and in nature quite a bit. You'll have to go find some other talking point from AIG, that one was debunked a long, long time ago.
@ideologger You need to learn Racemic mixtures! That's all man and nature can produce you need to take some Biochemistry classes! and even if all LEFT handed amino acids are present there is nothing that is going to assemble them! Everything leading towards breaking down not becoming more complex!! Also learn the Law of Biogenesis!!!
@5tonyvvvv Again, you're very confused. Man and nature *can* make make individual enantiomers. It happens in the lab every day, with thousands of chemicals. This isn't some secret "atheist chemistry" conspiracy, it's just true. You can go down to the drug store and buy some enantiopure OTC drug. It's painfully obvious you've not taken any classes on biology, biochemistry, or organic chemistry- or if you did, they were by mail.
@ideologger HAHAHA!! WRONG MORON!! pharmaceutical chemistry has nothing to do with the origin of life you dummy!! and controlled conditions are not geochemical relevant reactions! A trained chemist using templates and borrowing and rearranging molecules from pre existing sources is not undirected natural processes! You are one sad atheist!!
@5tonyvvvv Again, argument from ignorance and name calling. You're also moving the goal posts. You said: "You need to learn Racemic mixtures! That's all man and nature can produce you need to take some Biochemistry classes!" Are you admitting you're wrong, or are you saying that God is the CEO of all the pharmaceutical companies? Who said I was an atheist? At least it's obvious you're not a Christian.
@5tonyvvvv It's obvious the truth is on your side- you've already fallen back on name calling, the argument from ignorance, EXTRANEOUS CAPITALIZATION, and EXCLAMATIONS!!!
@ThoseWereTheDays56 Except, he wasn't a religious man. In his letter to Gutkind (Jan 1954):
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. [...] For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions." Einstein rejected the spiritual.
@ideologger I'm not claiming the bible is true, far from it. Surely your intelliegent enough to realise the premise of "God being a bearded man on a cloud" was simply created so that mankind thousands of years ago could grasp the concept of God. All names of God and eventualities, Allah, Budha, Jesus, Heaven and Hell all of that refers to one and the same entity, some form of existence beyond death. And if you don't know just how famous and respected Flew was your probably an idiot.
@HomuncuIus Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
@ApatheticOmniscience and there you have it...metaphysics/philosophy are questions that may never be answered,while religion is answers that mat never be questioned. Lokks like an old man who MUST have answers b4 he dies,,,sad!
@ApatheticOmniscience Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
@BCTO71 As opposed to your "didn't see it didn't happen" BS?? Man you are a blind fool even a blind fool can see that if he looks long and hard enough.
@lizardstyle101 I also had a revelation from my god and it was great. He told me to tell all of you to stop changing his name througout the centuries and please, revive the first and ONLY way of worshipping him. Amun-Ra lives, Amen.
@lizardstyle101 hahah I was atheist too and became Christian through prophecy. I wasn't expecting it But God spoke to me through a man I had never seen in my life before that night. It was somthing I can't explain. There is a realm that science could never reach...the realm of the supernatural
@KingDcome11 Don't care if you know me. You said that you met a random person from the church of "Red Wine". The natural inference is that he's at least drunk, of not homeless. Then you said God spoke through him.
@tjhombs In case you have not noticed just because someone belongs to a church called read wine doesn't mean they even drink. it's just a name , it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. And why would you think he's homeless? cause he belongs to a church called Red wine? Lastly, there is non alcholic red wine. So wine doesn't necessarily mean alcohol. You sound like an idiot and your "reasoning" and "logic" is ridiculous. Go back to school.
This is excellent. Its truly amazing to compare the lack of rationale of Flew in the past to that he has today. I have always thought that having GOD in my life directly attributed to my place in this world, around other people. To remove GOD is to remove the feeling of purpose and that creates a world full of divided individuals. Fellowship becomes a forgery. Fake friends and fake get-togethers. Our heart connects to GOD and that is what leads us to being moral. Dawkins doesnt have a clue.
@highnote606 His "conversion" comes from something that Darwin had explained a long time ago in "Orrigin of Species" and claiming that he had a lack of rationale is just plain arrogance on your part. Also, throwing Dawkins's name in like that is strictly an opinion, it has nothing to do with this video either. You sound fairly arrogant, as if you haven't fully thought any of this through well enough.
What does Flews conversion mean ? Does it mean atheism is wrong ?Or That religion is right ? Does the last prayer of Mother Theresa.... god, IF YOU EXIST, have mercy on me... prove that there is no god or at least his existence is very problematic ?
@ndzoko His conversion means he is a Theist. He believes in a divine creator with a purpose. As far as atheism being wrong I believe it is however one persons beliefs can not speak for another person. That being said Mother Theresa's last words were, "Jesus, I love you. Jesus, I love you." Also religion is a problem. Having a RELATIONSHIP with God is what it all comes down to.
@lovins88 Conversions mean nothing; It just shows that people change their mind. I believe for the time being most conversions go to Islam. That doesn`t make Islam more right.. Of course not !! Thank god that people change their mind. We got brains for something.
@ndzoko Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
@lovins88 Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
From the things I read, this is not a great argument for the existance of gOD. I read beter, and even then, I didn´t thought it was enough to change my mind.
We all know the dead can't talk, taste, see, hear, or feel. Therefore God said and nature confirms that we was formed out the dust and because of disobedience we will return. Man was dead, a dead soul/body, until God breathe life into him thus becoming alive, a living soul/body. Just ask yourself a simple question....most like their food dead before eating it than alive. It would be easier to consume than if it was alive. Thats why we have to give up or sacrifice our earthly nature to live.
@kingmafi6699 I disagree. That would suggest that forgiveness is not possible. Until you resign yourself to believing anything you are technically an unbeliever of it.
@kingmafi6699 Hardly. I'd say such thinking is the beginning of the story. I used to think just like you. I thought for sure that God didn't exist. Now, I just think it was something I wanted to believe. If God didn't exist, then I didn't have anyone to answer to except myself. I liked the sound of that. However, such thinking only served to demonstrate my own childish arrogance. To have only yourself is to have nothing at all.
In other words you can't be happy until some church hierarchy makes you drink their kool aid.
You desire control because you're too weak minded to think for yourself.
I understand.
But i hope you understand that i dislike having my mind controlled through nonsense. I have seen enough of religion to know how irrational it makes people.
@kingmafi6699 I'm not talking about happiness at all. Happiness is fleeting and temporary and a religion that preaches bringing people happiness is not a real religion at all. As for control, all people, even enlightened atheists, want control. That's why we work 9-5, take spring break, and follow laws. Without control society crumbles, but also, the universe crumbles if it falls from control. I didn't used to think for myself but "about" myself. Now I can choose, unlike before.
Haha, ex-atheist. Dream on idiots, no such thing exists and if you think it does, that person was never an actual atheist, or was atheist for the wrong reasons. There is no proof for God, it's the bottom line and this is what atheist believe. This prick is and was most likely a religious zealot like the rest of you retards.
@CntthnkO15 An atheist is just a dumb person once your mind develops you will then become an ex-atheist, some people such as yourself will more than likely never a have a developed brain and will remain a retarded atheist for life.
@Ironbumm Lmfao, I to develope my mind? From what you're asking, it sounds like I would be downgrading myself to delusional thoughts. No thanks idiot.
He is doing the smart thing. Live a long and happy life as an atheist, then a few years before you die just convert to a religion to be covered on the small chance the god actually exists.
@ssuuppeerrbbooyy That chance is a fallacy. Trust me, I have tried praying and shit doesn't work. You need to be deluded for some time by the bible and the people who believe it. Then and then only does someone actually believe the voice they hear in their head is "God" helping them. It's called being insane, there is help people, find a mental hospital near you.
@CntthnkO15 How can you be so certain? Its only theories. We will know for sure only after we die. But naturally as soon as science can explain what happens to your conscience after you die religion will get a massive blow and die out.
@ssuuppeerrbbooyy God is only a theory which isn't even a bit plausible, so why fall for that bullshit? Evolution is a scientific theory, go look the difference, enlighten yourself.
@CntthnkO15 Well those are bold statements. I think youre referring to "God" as a figure described in religious scriptures. Their version is stupid of course. I believe in evolution. Im just skeptical about the parts science didnt explain yet. Like creation of life and what happens to our perception of person after we die - just nothingness? We assume life happened naturally from dead material, but we havent been able to replicate the results yet. Being sure of an unproven thing makes you dumb.
@ssuuppeerrbbooyy That being said, believing in evolution would make a person dumb? Because, despite what some texts would have you believe, there is no factual evidence to support that one creature changes into another creature over the course of millions of years.
@BlackFolioStudios There is a lot of anecdotal evidence. Combine that with DNA and mutations and it is good enough for me. At least its a lot better than the alternatives. If someone gives a better explanation im open to changing my mind.
@ssuuppeerrbbooyy The problem is that there has never been a case we have studied/witnessed in which a new creature had new genetic information that its parents didn't possess. Therefore new traits can't be created with what we know to be true. In fact, genetic information can only be lost from one generation to the next. That's why we talk about "breeding out" characteristics but never about "breeding in."
@BlackFolioStudios increased genetic variety in a population (Lenski 1995; Lenski et al. 1991) increased genetic material (Alves et al. 2001; Brown et al. 1998; Hughes and Friedman 2003; Lynch and Conery 2000; Ohta 2003) novel genetic material (Knox et al. 1996; Park et al. 1996) novel genetically-regulated abilities (Prijambada et al. 1995)
@BlackFolioStudios Finding the information that this earth is 4.5 billion years old is indefinitely repeatable. If just this fact is true, I'm going to say that the bible, quran, gita, other fiction, are beyond false in regard to reality. Thanks for the comment though. And btw, according to your logic, we can't test your so called "creation theory," so good job attacking your beliefs as well.
I think deep down most people (not everyone) knows to some degree that there has to be a creator. Sadly a lot of people just don't like the idea of God for one reason or another. The fact that reality even exist is perplexing in itself. Think about that for a minute.. Can random processes really take inorganic matter, jolt it to life, have it figure out on it's own that it needs to reproduce, and then eventually evolve into free thinking, conscious, self aware beings? I don't think so.
it's not that some people don't like the idea of a god, it's because some people are actually careful enough to look at the evidence. Science has prove that our way of thinking about things is so counterintuitive to actually how nature work. For example quantum mechanic which nobody thinks makes sense cause we can't understand it, but it just how nature works. As for a creator we always think that every organised thing need something to create it, that's how we evolved to think we cud b wrong.
@simw7 Quantum physics also shows that information and even consciousness is in integral part to reality. Quantum physics is starting to point into a direction where we can start thinking about an eternal consciousness as being a legitimate concept to study. We as humans take our own existence for granted and we don't even stop to think about it. I mean the universe and life didn't have to exist, but here we are. I just don't see how star dust eventually came to life and evolved into you and me.
@03chrisv see I hate when people use quantum physics and use it for their own agenda,..ok,..what part of equation of quantum physics says anything about eternal consciousness? and yes the universe and life didn't have to exist,..so what? I mean it did, therefore it was inevitable that life was going to exist. I mean,.life as we know it is rare in the universe,..so what?
@simw7 Quantum physics supports the idea of an eternal consciousness, if you don't like that then I'm sorry. Given all of our advanced technology, knowledge, and conscious thought, we aren't even close to making simple life. Yet we are to believe that unguided natural processes are able to out wit us? Not to mention how did the first single cell life form get the mechanism to reproduce? Without that there is no continuation to its species. What, did it have that by chance as soon as it existed?
"Quantum physics supports the idea of an eternal consciousness" i'm asking you what part of quantum physics support that? and how come leading scientists who are actually working on it don't support it? "
"Given all of our advanced technology, knowledge, and conscious thought, we aren't even close to making simple life"
well nature is complex so what? life started on earth about few billions years ago,..it had a longtime to evolve from a single cell,..simple cell to complexity. laws of physics
@simw7 You can find articles or even videos that deal with the topic of how consciousness and quantum physics is related. Quantum physics is the study of the atomic world, not an equation so I don't know what you're referring to when you say "what part of equation of quantum physics says anything about eternal consciousness?". I never said that quantum physics proves an eternal consciousness, but it does support the idea, meaning it's not outside of its scope and it doesn't defy any of its laws.
i meant to say that any equations that support eternal consciousness or any testable evidence. I've read some of those lecture,..they usually refer to the experiment where you observe an electron which is affected by the observer. so the electron could be in 2 places at once. And people who are always referring to this eternal consciousness are deepak chopra. Also, has any of those articles published in any scientific journals? and had been peer reviewed to merit any recognition?
@simw7 No I cannot find any published articles to scientific journals mainly because mainstream science has a big bias. I'm sure you're quite aware on how much effort goes into trying to explain everything naturally, even if it doesn't always make sense.The reason why I believe in God is because I have had personal supernatural experiences occur in my life. I don't need to convince myself, I only research this stuff out of curiosity. God cannot be put into a test tube, he has to be experienced.
excuses,..the mainstream science has a big bias. No,.that's an other excuse people with crazy ideas always come up with. the peer review process is actually what makes science better,..it tend to remove all the bias cause scientists can be bias in their research,..this prove tend to eliminate all bias. Creationist always come up with this excuse. Also, yeah you had a personal experience with your god, back in the days people had personal experience with zeus. But, hey everyone has their beliefs.
@simw7 So you think by chance star dust eventually came to life though some natural process, and in that instant it had genetic information and already had the means to reproduce? That's a long shot. Not to mention that amino acids cannot assemble themselves into proteins without genetic information. So the information would have needed to exist prior to the first living cell. So where did the information come from? Yes I've read the half baked theories and models that we have.
@03chrisv yes, life started on earth naturally,.. all that's ur doing is called the god of the gap. just because we don't understand something that doesn't mean god did it. Even though we can't replicate how life started here on earth,..you have to know that it this process took almost a billion years for life to form,..it's something you can't easily do. For example we don't have the same atmosphere,.we can't replicate the conditions, in fact, how how can we replicate that process in a beaker?
2 just because we don't understand something that doesn't mean god did it.
You are adamant that life started naturally and then you say we don´t know how it started naturally. You may very well be right, but this is an act of faith.
In the former USSR1917-92 atheism/evolution was taught day-care-university. The Bible was banned&parents could'nt teach it to kids. Within months of the fall of the USSR in 92 the Bible was reintroduced in Russian schools. The main one behind this was Olga Lutsenko&she was an atheist then. Death threats caused her to leave in 96&she lives in Canada&is a Christian now. I support her work financially, BTWshe is on youtube. Creationism is also taught in Russian schools along with the Bibke FYI.
Notice the leading questions. The interviewer is simply steering Flew through the interview, making Flew seem less senile than he actually is by this point. I hope I die suddenly, before my mind starts trickling away like that.
What a terrible set of reasons to become a theist! It's the old "god of the gaps" argument. Biologists and biochemists are obtaining enormous amounts of evidence for the spontaneous occurrence of the chemistry of life under the proper physical conditions. Until this interview, Flew hadn't even thought very much about the qualities of whatever he thinks exists now, without verifiable evidence whatever. Magical agency! He's drunk the Kool-Aid. Sad.
"spontaneous occurrence of the chemistry of life under the proper physical conditions"..... maybe u can splain it for us, the unilluminated. After all, you must be one of the "bright".....
@doc70gsx If you've had a course in biochemistry and one in evolutionary biology, I can explain it to you off line. For those who are interested, the best book that I know on this subject is "Life Ascending. The Ten Great Inventions of Evolution" by biochemist Dr. Nick Lane.This is a magnificently written, highly accessible book that covers the topic of the spontaneous development of the chemistry of life under primordial conditions, as well as nine other topics in Evolution.
@Nodelusionnow Boy, that just sounds too good to be true! I wonder if there is any indication or explanation of how all of the "proper physical conditions" suddenly were able to occur? How is it that a void can now suddenly become non-void?
One of the champions of the "thinkers" comes lately with a different thought based on years of "thinking", most of which were reported by other "thinkers" as cutting edge, now gets a stoning by the very community which he lead...there is tolerance for ya!
@doc70gsx Your comments make no sense to me. I'm a scientist. You asked me a question about Evolution. I've given you the title of a great book on the subject that provides a huge amount of evidence that Flew is apparently unfamiliar with. This has nothing whatever to do with tolerance, condemnation, and the like. It has to do with science, Evolution, biochemistry and molecular biology. Read and study! Make up your own mind.
For the truth about religion try Robert M. Price, ' The reason driven life ' or John W. Loftus or Victor J. Stenger, ' God, the failed hypothesis' . Also interesting to have a look at the 1500BCE papyrus of Ani, with its god Osiris who weighs the heart to decide who can pass to the land of the living.[ The need to know the names of the gods & the negative confession & other magic texts to get there]. James Frazer's 'The Golden Bough' and C.S. Lewis, 'Mere Christianity'
Sigh....Theists will use absolutely anything to try to manipulate people. Antony's one and only piece of evidence for him was an apparent improbability of life being created through natural claims, also, he defected to a modest deism, not theism of any kind. He in fact admitted later that he had not kept up with the recent studies for abiogenesis and had not kept up with the scientific community. He was also never an outspoken atheist and the argument from authority means nothing.
@pat5168 actually he was a very outspoken athiest, heck he even redefined athiesm to mean "Lack of belief". he was a major influence on athiesm today both popular and acedemic please dont take that away from him. also diesm is a belief in God just that God created the universe and "sits back and lets it happen". However i agree that his conversion doesnt really mean very much, people convert to athiesm and thiesm every day im not sure why Flew is significant.
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Dawkins has claimed, “As for religion … nobody wields a sharper bayonet than Sam Harris.” Harris debated Craig on 7th April. In his opening statement in that debate, Harris declared that Dr Craig is “the one Christian apologist who seems to have put the fear of God into many of my fellow atheists.” After that debate, the atheist website Debunking Christianity reported: “Bill (Craig) has once again showed himself as the best debater of this generation.” ROFL LMFAO
RosesTimes 1 day ago
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RosesTimes 1 day ago
Dawkins has claimed, “As for religion … nobody wields a sharper bayonet than Sam Harris.” Harris debated Craig on 7th April. In his opening statement in that debate, Harris declared that Dr Craig is “the one Christian apologist who seems to have put the fear of God into many of my fellow atheists.” After that debate, the atheist website Debunking Christianity reported: “Bill (Craig) has once again showed himself as the best debater of this generation.” ROFL
RosesOfTimes 3 days ago
Science can never prove that GOD DOES NOT EXIST, science is the study of laws of nature, not the lawmaker, even hardcore atheists accepts that science can not prove how the birth of universe took place. Look at Big Bang Theory, the most religious theory that a bang happened out of nothing...As per science, LOVE is nothing but a bunch of chemical reactions in our brains, i guess we "animals" should just start taking prozac every time our brain wants love, shouldn't we?
PartyAllSeason 4 days ago
hes half way to the truth now he needs to find which religions are false and which one is true,Jesus is the answer their aint no other way.
listenup345 1 week ago
Someone keeps giggling in the background, and it's making me giggle.
cosmiccrank1 1 week ago
People love to use Flew as an example of "God prevailing". He converted to deism you idiots. He doesn't believe all the religious baloney. This is hardly any different than atheism, because either way, God is completely irrelevant, there is not afterlife, and we aren't living in a celestial North Korea (Christopher Hitchens :D)
LTMagic21 1 week ago
@LTMagic21 So has he stated that he doubts there is an afterlife?
tetrahydroscope 1 week ago
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RosesTimes 1 day ago
As a person who's neither for nor against God this is an interview that pushes me away from the Christian religion.
DrHowbeit 2 weeks ago
5:30
Fourth attempt: Is this being knowable by us do you think?
F: Well, we are presumably thinking we know of his existence.. as that as there should be anything else to know about him other than what we've suggested. We have apparently got all the knowledge of this being that's going to be available.
(We think we know God?)
DrHowbeit 2 weeks ago
5:00
Third attempt: ...a being who may or may not be personal in sense of conscious... or would he be?
F: I think he's got to be conscious if he's going to be an agent.
(Flew yet again misunderstands the question.)
DrHowbeit 2 weeks ago
4:31
Interviewer tries again: So, so if this being is doing SOMETHING he must be personal in some sense?
(Logic?)
F: I, I should have thought that but this is completely new to me I haven't even begun to think about this book that I'm certainly not going to attempt to write.
(Interviewer doesn't get the answer he wants.)
DrHowbeit 2 weeks ago
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Q: Is this a personal force or being?
(Six second delay. Flew who spent his entire life discussing God acts as if he never thought about that question.)
Flew than says: Well, you're suggesting activity...it's very hard to think of a conscious...a conscious omnipotence that doesn't do anything.
(He doesn't answer the question.)
DrHowbeit 2 weeks ago
I must admit that I haven't read Flew's books related to his deism. The complexity of DNA etc is why he gave up atheism, but how does he explain the complexity of the creator of DNA? Anyone who knows his solution to this equally troublesome mystery?
DrHowbeit 2 weeks ago
There are 2 kinds of atheists - one is an honest sincere seeker of TRUTH, while the other is often a bitter angry individual who seeks only to refute the existence of God.
mroizo25 3 weeks ago 35
@mroizo25 Ugh, thank you! I agree 100% This guy won't leave me alone arguing with me that God doesn't exist.
GagaIsAMonster 2 weeks ago
Anthony Flew is just an old chicken shit coward!
244Ohiro 3 weeks ago
@244Ohiro He was the author of the most published atheistic paper of the 20th Century; "Theology and Falsification" He was an atheist for 75 years.
It takes sheer guts to admit that you're wrong about something that you've been touting for 75 years. I'd consider Flew a brave man.
efb1991 3 weeks ago
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Pivotman1 3 weeks ago
@Pivotman1 Pivotman1, you are so woefully incorrect it isn't funny.
Reality Check:
First off, Flew WAS NOT afraid of death. Despite believing in God, he NEVER believed in an afterlife; it was not motivation for his conversion.
Secondly, he converted to THEISM, not CHRISTIANITY. They are two entirely different things. Theism is merely a belief in God. Christianity is believing is Jesus Christ, and everything that comes with it.
efb1991 3 weeks ago
@Pivotman1 judging from your comment , you seem more scared of what you do not know of.....
SteelFoundation 3 weeks ago
@SteelFoundation Incorrect, I actually look forward to death as to see what happens. Its going to be a big surprise. If I wind up in hell and the Christian God is real, that's fine because I rather burn for eternity rather than live for eternity along side a super being whose ego is disastrously immoral and just fucking evil. I'd also like to add in that heaven is going to be boring anyway, if you live for eternity and see everything nothing will be exiting so I'll pass on that one.
Pivotman1 3 weeks ago
@Pivotman1 And in that response you used every cliche in the book, what do you guys feed off from? a bad episode of Supernatural..." heaven will be boring" only a complete idiot would imagine heaven as being full of clouds and angels playing harps...but for the simple minds of the world they can't get past that...and you contradict yourself.. you say there is no higer power next thing you know you are labelling it as evil and immoral...if I was as confused as you are I would be livid
SteelFoundation 2 weeks ago
@SteelFoundation Well, It will be boring. See everything + Live for eternity = Boring as fuck.
Pivotman1 2 weeks ago
@Pivotman1 I Read this and couldn't help but say something that a friend pointed out to me. 1. Why would heaven be boring if you're living with a creator of the universe? 2. We only call things boring through a human perspective 3. The scientific laws of this universe may not necessarily apply to other universes. 4. Another thing i'd like to point out is that angels are also eternal, but they apparently haven't got bored, because they're STILL in heaven. I'm just trying to clear that up.
sgtsolo1 2 weeks ago
@sgtsolo1 That's your speculation, but nowhere in the Bible says it will not be boring. If you live for a Billion Years and see Billions of years of content you are bound to get bored. Nothing is infinite even space is limited but Ideas are not forever expanding.
Pivotman1 2 weeks ago
@Pivotman1 Correct some of the things i said were just speculations, but they are logical. The speculation you made "nowhere in the Bible says it will not be boring." If your pulling that one out my answer is that the bible also DOESN'T say it will be boring. I'm sorry but i can only see bad arguments here. "If you live for a Billion Years and see Billions of years of content you are bound to get bored." Tell me, how many stars and galaxy's are in THIS universe? Trillions.
sgtsolo1 2 weeks ago
@sgtsolo1 Trillions, But not infinite. If the stars are limited so are your ideas.
Pivotman1 2 weeks ago
@Pivotman1 Face..palm..
sgtsolo1 2 weeks ago
@Pivotman1 "A real Atheist will never become a Christian."
you must be terribly insecure in your atheism if you must reassure yourself with the idea that no real atheist can change his mind...that's the no true scotsman fallacy for you.
incidentally, Flew was a deist.
WilliamofWare 3 weeks ago
So because there are complex things there must be a creator? What a weak argument.
Rozmic 3 weeks ago
"For since the creation of the world God's invisible attributes-his eternal power and divine nature-have been understood and observed by what He made, so that people are without excuse.' Romans 1:20
People like Flew only come to the facts that already exist.
PureAirSolutions 4 weeks ago
He is saying he is a deist which means that from a day to day existence point of view, there is no god. The leap from deism to theism is many times greater than that from atheism to deism.
Dawkins007 4 weeks ago
@efb1991 "...viewed all the evidence with no prejudice..."
What evidence?
@991Fate I think you will find you are wrong. Atheism is a lack of belief of unsupported claims - atheists (the rational ones, anyway) do not assert there is no god, simply point out that theists have not fulfilled their burden of proof. Disbelief is the default position until a claim has been reasonably justified.
OneSixFourFive 1 month ago
@OneSixFourFive A lack of belief Vs. a claim of not knowing (agnosticism) has more of a negative connotation or view wouldn't you say?
lion575 3 weeks ago
@lion575 I say they are not mutually exclusive - you can be both. I am an agnostic atheist; I don't know there is no god, but I believe there is no god based on lack of evidence.
OneSixFourFive 2 weeks ago
Pretty much confirmation bias.
viicISrotcib 1 month ago
Hey, I admire his honesty. This man is one of the truly unbiased people in the world.
My question is, why don't Richard Dawkins, Daniel C. Dennett, Sam Harris, and Victor J. Stenger convert as well?
Because they're biased.
Anthony Flew was the author of the most published Philosophical paper of the 20th Century, and was the leading authority in his field.
He followed logic, viewed all the evidence with no prejudice, and was not afraid to admit he was wrong.
He was a true philosopher.
efb1991 1 month ago 23
@efb1991 Dawkins will never convert. His morality is to flawed. His Atheism is not out of logic or reason, it is out of pure selfishness and desire to be right. He uses his writings in Atheism to back some of his scientific genetic claims "The selfish Gene" similar to how Freud used his philosophical writings to justify the fact he was a pervert. I have seen Dawkins over and over misconstrue the concept of faith (ie faith is not blind), he has no virtue to speak of and is overtaken by pride.
lion575 3 weeks ago
@efb1991
Dawkins is blind completely, please watch my video and his disappointment to get an answer other than God even from a Nobel Prize atheist physicist, and his disappointment will be much greater when he meet his creator: Atheists Blind Faith - Richard Dawkins and Steven Weinberg - God or the multiverse?: /watch?v=oO0QRUX4HGE
helasmoh 3 weeks ago
@efb1991 Fact #1 - Atheists know more about the bible than christians. Fact #2 - Thats the reason we are atheists.
jtalfredo22 3 weeks ago
@jtalfredo22 I'm not advocating religion of any kind. I'm saying that the fact you find the bible to be incorrect does not prove or disprove the existence of a God.
Look up Gerald Schroeder in the search box, and look at the half-hour video. His evidence is what convinced Flew. He is a brilliant man. Just watch and see.
efb1991 3 weeks ago
@efb1991 Since when is it biased to disagreee? It is up to you to provide the evidence for a God. If you aren't willing to, then don't expect people to trust you or convert to your religion.
DeadFishFactory 2 weeks ago
@efb1991 they make too much money on Atheism.. Funny thing is - without God they are all broke..
ShaneyCunn84 2 weeks ago
@efb1991 Pardon me, but how exactly are they any more biased than what you, or any member of a faith for that matter, are? I could ask you the exact same question: Why won't YOU convert? I'm not just asking in terms of Atheism, but in terms of any religion that differs from yours. I'm going to assume you're a Christian for the sake of argument. What makes your views so much more true than that of a Muslim's? A Jew's? Hindu's? Fact of the matter is you are just as biased as those who you named.
smbz1 1 week ago
@smbz1 On the contrary,I'm very open-minded to other faiths and new ideas, and when I was trying to find myself, years ago,I read up on many different faiths, and their practices.
My faith is not anymore valid than another's;we are all equal. My holding is that all faiths are divinely inspired, all defined on the (pretty wide) definition of God, and are equally valid.
People have different interpretations of God. Some just believe he doesn't exist. I think we're past that basic point.
efb1991 1 week ago
@efb1991 What exactly makes the thought of a God not existing a basic point? Does it make Atheists bad people? Does it make them idiotic as a whole? I know that I for one just do not see any evidence for a higher being. And no, I don't consider the unknown as a justification for evidence. The unknown was always given supernatural explanations until we truly figured out how things worked.
So why exactly is the option of no God out of the question for you, anyways?
smbz1 1 week ago
@smbz1 We definitely havent figured out how things work.
JamieCarterFilms 1 week ago
@efb1991 How are the atheists you named biased? Also, that's not a reason for atheism to be untrue. I could say the same thing about lots of Christians being biased when they argue for God, and that that somehow disproves Christianity.
LTMagic21 1 week ago
@efb1991 None of them will convert because they have been given no evidence to show that is a reasonable thing to do, despite decades of asking for it.
OneSixFourFive 2 days ago
I can tell there are a lot of pist off atheist.
991Fate 1 month ago
@991Fate "Pissed off Atheists" but i agree. Sadly, atheists do not exist(pm me if you want an explanation).
MrVirtualCoder 1 month ago
@MrVirtualCoder. Atheism is just another belief. Belief that there is no god. or lack of belief.
991Fate 1 month ago
@991Fate Atheism is a belief system, as defined by a Philosopher. Watch: /watch?v=NZCu4PUu3LY
MrVirtualCoder 1 month ago
@MrVirtualCoder. Your right it is! pretty much it's all opinion
991Fate 1 month ago
I don't know how famous of an atheist Flew ever was, but he doesn't seem to have been a very sharp philosopher and even less of a scientist. His misunderstanding of Einstein's stance is profound and his belief that Einstein was an expert on late 20th century biology is also very mistaken.
ideologger 1 month ago
So he comes around to believing in a GOD (Intelligent, Omnipotent, Omniscient Creator) that he says emphatically has no personal relation with creation...then bashes Islam and brings out the Pom Poms for Christianity when they both have had relatively similar effects on the world and respective followers. This is guy is just throwing all objective reasoning out the window. Glad he came around to believing in a GOD...but dude....somebody help him with his delusion on religious matters.
ReyLoo 1 month ago
Wonderful, God bless him.
ltose 1 month ago
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@ltose Information is what changed flew. Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
5tonyvvvv 1 month ago
He's not a very smart man is he?
ApatheticOmniscience 1 month ago
@ApatheticOmniscience No, no he's not..
MarcusTexaco 1 month ago
@MarcusTexaco He jumped on the theist train for Intelligent Design. It's kinda sad really...
ApatheticOmniscience 1 month ago
@ApatheticOmniscience Just some emotional comfort in his latter years, I suppose.
MarcusTexaco 1 month ago
@ApatheticOmniscience To be fair Einstein was a religious man and most believe him to be the greatest mind ever to grace earth.
ThoseWereTheDays56 1 month ago
@ThoseWereTheDays56 Yes he was. Information is what changed flew. Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
5tonyvvvv 1 month ago
@5tonyvvvv Sorry tony, but you're quite mistaken. Chirality happens in the lab and in nature quite a bit. You'll have to go find some other talking point from AIG, that one was debunked a long, long time ago.
ideologger 1 month ago
@ideologger You need to learn Racemic mixtures! That's all man and nature can produce you need to take some Biochemistry classes! and even if all LEFT handed amino acids are present there is nothing that is going to assemble them! Everything leading towards breaking down not becoming more complex!! Also learn the Law of Biogenesis!!!
5tonyvvvv 1 month ago
@5tonyvvvv Again, you're very confused. Man and nature *can* make make individual enantiomers. It happens in the lab every day, with thousands of chemicals. This isn't some secret "atheist chemistry" conspiracy, it's just true. You can go down to the drug store and buy some enantiopure OTC drug. It's painfully obvious you've not taken any classes on biology, biochemistry, or organic chemistry- or if you did, they were by mail.
ideologger 1 month ago
@ideologger HAHAHA!! WRONG MORON!! pharmaceutical chemistry has nothing to do with the origin of life you dummy!! and controlled conditions are not geochemical relevant reactions! A trained chemist using templates and borrowing and rearranging molecules from pre existing sources is not undirected natural processes! You are one sad atheist!!
5tonyvvvv 1 month ago
@5tonyvvvv Again, argument from ignorance and name calling. You're also moving the goal posts. You said: "You need to learn Racemic mixtures! That's all man and nature can produce you need to take some Biochemistry classes!" Are you admitting you're wrong, or are you saying that God is the CEO of all the pharmaceutical companies? Who said I was an atheist? At least it's obvious you're not a Christian.
ideologger 1 month ago
@ideologger Moronic atheist chemistry never works! and every origin of life experiment has failed abysmally!!
5tonyvvvv 1 month ago
@5tonyvvvv It's obvious the truth is on your side- you've already fallen back on name calling, the argument from ignorance, EXTRANEOUS CAPITALIZATION, and EXCLAMATIONS!!!
ideologger 1 month ago
@ThoseWereTheDays56 Not I, I save that credit and praise for Nicola Tesla the man of Tomorrow
LordEli 1 month ago
@ThoseWereTheDays56 Except, he wasn't a religious man. In his letter to Gutkind (Jan 1954):
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. [...] For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions." Einstein rejected the spiritual.
ideologger 1 month ago
@ideologger I'm not claiming the bible is true, far from it. Surely your intelliegent enough to realise the premise of "God being a bearded man on a cloud" was simply created so that mankind thousands of years ago could grasp the concept of God. All names of God and eventualities, Allah, Budha, Jesus, Heaven and Hell all of that refers to one and the same entity, some form of existence beyond death. And if you don't know just how famous and respected Flew was your probably an idiot.
ThoseWereTheDays56 3 weeks ago
Conjecture upon conjecture.
baikinmon 1 month ago
you scared nshitless peice of shit,,
luckluck60 1 month ago
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HomuncuIus 1 month ago
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@HomuncuIus Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
5tonyvvvv 1 month ago
@HomuncuIus I agree! The God Mars rules all!
tjhombs 1 month ago
Wow he became a theist for a god of the gaps argument? Fail...
ApatheticOmniscience 2 months ago
@ApatheticOmniscience and there you have it...metaphysics/philosophy are questions that may never be answered,while religion is answers that mat never be questioned. Lokks like an old man who MUST have answers b4 he dies,,,sad!
PAULOcbi 2 months ago
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@ApatheticOmniscience Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
5tonyvvvv 1 month ago
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So . . . God exists because he doesn't understand natural selection and increasing complexity?
rarmst2 2 months ago
@BCTO71 As opposed to your "didn't see it didn't happen" BS?? Man you are a blind fool even a blind fool can see that if he looks long and hard enough.
AtheistsBurnInHell1 2 months ago
Ooooh it's so complex...and i don't know how it got this way...God exists!!!
pffft...nothing to see here.
BCT071 2 months ago
I have the evidence that most christians wish they had.
I could prove to any atheist or agnostic that there is a GOD.
all you have to do is recieve prophecy and that's it.
I used to be an atheist so I know how it feels, believe me.
here is the evidence, just go to this church that is almost everywhere in the world and receive prophecy.
CHURCH OF GOD MINISTRY OF JESUS CHRIST INTERNATIONAL
let me know what state you live in, and I will give you the address to the closest church.
lizardstyle101 2 months ago
@lizardstyle101 I also had a revelation from my god and it was great. He told me to tell all of you to stop changing his name througout the centuries and please, revive the first and ONLY way of worshipping him. Amun-Ra lives, Amen.
AmunRaRocks 2 months ago
@lizardstyle101 hahah I was atheist too and became Christian through prophecy. I wasn't expecting it But God spoke to me through a man I had never seen in my life before that night. It was somthing I can't explain. There is a realm that science could never reach...the realm of the supernatural
KingDcome11 1 month ago
@KingDcome11 what church?
lizardstyle101 1 month ago
@lizardstyle101 it was some small church in PA. The church is called Red Wine
KingDcome11 1 month ago
@KingDcome11 me to bro..me too
DrOvyZ 1 month ago
@KingDcome11 So, you met a homeless person, he scared you, and now you believe in Christ? That's ridiculous.
tjhombs 1 month ago
@tjhombs I never said that. But assumptions are always good when we are trying to make someone sound or look stupid
KingDcome11 1 month ago
@KingDcome11 Yes, you do look stupid.
tjhombs 1 month ago
@tjhombs don't know you but you sound like an idiot. get a life
KingDcome11 1 month ago
@KingDcome11 Don't care if you know me. You said that you met a random person from the church of "Red Wine". The natural inference is that he's at least drunk, of not homeless. Then you said God spoke through him.
You are the one who sounds like an idiot.
tjhombs 1 month ago
@tjhombs In case you have not noticed just because someone belongs to a church called read wine doesn't mean they even drink. it's just a name , it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. And why would you think he's homeless? cause he belongs to a church called Red wine? Lastly, there is non alcholic red wine. So wine doesn't necessarily mean alcohol. You sound like an idiot and your "reasoning" and "logic" is ridiculous. Go back to school.
KingDcome11 1 month ago
This is excellent. Its truly amazing to compare the lack of rationale of Flew in the past to that he has today. I have always thought that having GOD in my life directly attributed to my place in this world, around other people. To remove GOD is to remove the feeling of purpose and that creates a world full of divided individuals. Fellowship becomes a forgery. Fake friends and fake get-togethers. Our heart connects to GOD and that is what leads us to being moral. Dawkins doesnt have a clue.
highnote606 2 months ago
@highnote606 His "conversion" comes from something that Darwin had explained a long time ago in "Orrigin of Species" and claiming that he had a lack of rationale is just plain arrogance on your part. Also, throwing Dawkins's name in like that is strictly an opinion, it has nothing to do with this video either. You sound fairly arrogant, as if you haven't fully thought any of this through well enough.
CheffBryan 2 months ago
'Seems to me is.....this is just obvious..' is when you should close this video.
Arcexey 2 months ago
Anthony Flew, I'd like to shake your hand one day.
logicCplusplus 2 months ago
@logicCplusplus sorry, man, he's dead.
giorgiv18 2 months ago
If the professor believes now in Allah, he made the second mistake
akkafietje 2 months ago
It is all Mind nothing to do with the Satanic god of Christendom or Islam,
For me it is God the Dreamer, we are living in a Dream World!
whitenightf3 2 months ago
What does Flews conversion mean ? Does it mean atheism is wrong ?Or That religion is right ? Does the last prayer of Mother Theresa.... god, IF YOU EXIST, have mercy on me... prove that there is no god or at least his existence is very problematic ?
ndzoko 2 months ago
@ndzoko His conversion means he is a Theist. He believes in a divine creator with a purpose. As far as atheism being wrong I believe it is however one persons beliefs can not speak for another person. That being said Mother Theresa's last words were, "Jesus, I love you. Jesus, I love you." Also religion is a problem. Having a RELATIONSHIP with God is what it all comes down to.
lovins88 2 months ago
@lovins88 Conversions mean nothing; It just shows that people change their mind. I believe for the time being most conversions go to Islam. That doesn`t make Islam more right.. Of course not !! Thank god that people change their mind. We got brains for something.
ndzoko 2 months ago
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@ndzoko Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
5tonyvvvv 2 months ago
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@lovins88 Homochirality is a disaster for naturalistic origins. All amino acids in proteins are 'LEFT-handed', while all sugars in DNA and RNA, and in the metabolic pathways, are 'RIGHT-handed'. Chirality!
A 50/50 mixture of left- and right-handed forms is called a racemate or racemic mixture!!. Which life can't use!! Its what we see in nature and in labs!
Life never came about by time chance natural processes! IMPOSSIBLE!!!
5tonyvvvv 2 months ago
It's official, atheism is dead.
Also this guy is so close to being saved it's not even funny, I pray he gets saved and that many come to Christ through him.
butcherjsy8 2 months ago
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@butcherjsy8 you are delusional
ftwuh 2 months ago
dodgy athiests LOL soo funny some athiests, id like to see a atheist marry and fuk a chimp or get fucked by a chimp.
iloveafg123 2 months ago
@iloveafg123 Your 6th grade education does not allow you to make a distinction between atheism and evolution.
ndzoko 2 months ago
GOD exists, open your eyes people !!!!!!!!
je187u 2 months ago
This seems to be a very poor argument...
From the things I read, this is not a great argument for the existance of gOD. I read beter, and even then, I didn´t thought it was enough to change my mind.
clorofilazul 2 months ago
We all know the dead can't talk, taste, see, hear, or feel. Therefore God said and nature confirms that we was formed out the dust and because of disobedience we will return. Man was dead, a dead soul/body, until God breathe life into him thus becoming alive, a living soul/body. Just ask yourself a simple question....most like their food dead before eating it than alive. It would be easier to consume than if it was alive. Thats why we have to give up or sacrifice our earthly nature to live.
DEWAYNE19821 2 months ago
No such things as an "ex-atheist".
Once you have weened your mind of faith then nothing can bring you back.
kingmafi6699 3 months ago
@kingmafi6699 I disagree. That would suggest that forgiveness is not possible. Until you resign yourself to believing anything you are technically an unbeliever of it.
BlackFolioStudios 2 months ago
@BlackFolioStudios
God doesn't exist.
End of story.
kingmafi6699 2 months ago
@kingmafi6699 Hardly. I'd say such thinking is the beginning of the story. I used to think just like you. I thought for sure that God didn't exist. Now, I just think it was something I wanted to believe. If God didn't exist, then I didn't have anyone to answer to except myself. I liked the sound of that. However, such thinking only served to demonstrate my own childish arrogance. To have only yourself is to have nothing at all.
BlackFolioStudios 2 months ago
@BlackFolioStudios
In other words you can't be happy until some church hierarchy makes you drink their kool aid.
You desire control because you're too weak minded to think for yourself.
I understand.
But i hope you understand that i dislike having my mind controlled through nonsense. I have seen enough of religion to know how irrational it makes people.
I simply do not want that kind of existence.
kingmafi6699 2 months ago
@kingmafi6699 I'm not talking about happiness at all. Happiness is fleeting and temporary and a religion that preaches bringing people happiness is not a real religion at all. As for control, all people, even enlightened atheists, want control. That's why we work 9-5, take spring break, and follow laws. Without control society crumbles, but also, the universe crumbles if it falls from control. I didn't used to think for myself but "about" myself. Now I can choose, unlike before.
BlackFolioStudios 2 months ago
Haha, ex-atheist. Dream on idiots, no such thing exists and if you think it does, that person was never an actual atheist, or was atheist for the wrong reasons. There is no proof for God, it's the bottom line and this is what atheist believe. This prick is and was most likely a religious zealot like the rest of you retards.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 An atheist is just a dumb person once your mind develops you will then become an ex-atheist, some people such as yourself will more than likely never a have a developed brain and will remain a retarded atheist for life.
Ironbumm 3 months ago
@Ironbumm Lmfao, I to develope my mind? From what you're asking, it sounds like I would be downgrading myself to delusional thoughts. No thanks idiot.
CntthnkO15 2 months ago
He is doing the smart thing. Live a long and happy life as an atheist, then a few years before you die just convert to a religion to be covered on the small chance the god actually exists.
ssuuppeerrbbooyy 3 months ago
@ssuuppeerrbbooyy That chance is a fallacy. Trust me, I have tried praying and shit doesn't work. You need to be deluded for some time by the bible and the people who believe it. Then and then only does someone actually believe the voice they hear in their head is "God" helping them. It's called being insane, there is help people, find a mental hospital near you.
CntthnkO15 3 months ago
@CntthnkO15 How can you be so certain? Its only theories. We will know for sure only after we die. But naturally as soon as science can explain what happens to your conscience after you die religion will get a massive blow and die out.
ssuuppeerrbbooyy 3 months ago
@ssuuppeerrbbooyy God is only a theory which isn't even a bit plausible, so why fall for that bullshit? Evolution is a scientific theory, go look the difference, enlighten yourself.
CntthnkO15 2 months ago
@CntthnkO15 Well those are bold statements. I think youre referring to "God" as a figure described in religious scriptures. Their version is stupid of course. I believe in evolution. Im just skeptical about the parts science didnt explain yet. Like creation of life and what happens to our perception of person after we die - just nothingness? We assume life happened naturally from dead material, but we havent been able to replicate the results yet. Being sure of an unproven thing makes you dumb.
ssuuppeerrbbooyy 2 months ago
@ssuuppeerrbbooyy That being said, believing in evolution would make a person dumb? Because, despite what some texts would have you believe, there is no factual evidence to support that one creature changes into another creature over the course of millions of years.
BlackFolioStudios 2 months ago
@BlackFolioStudios There is a lot of anecdotal evidence. Combine that with DNA and mutations and it is good enough for me. At least its a lot better than the alternatives. If someone gives a better explanation im open to changing my mind.
ssuuppeerrbbooyy 2 months ago
@ssuuppeerrbbooyy The problem is that there has never been a case we have studied/witnessed in which a new creature had new genetic information that its parents didn't possess. Therefore new traits can't be created with what we know to be true. In fact, genetic information can only be lost from one generation to the next. That's why we talk about "breeding out" characteristics but never about "breeding in."
BlackFolioStudios 2 months ago
@BlackFolioStudios increased genetic variety in a population (Lenski 1995; Lenski et al. 1991) increased genetic material (Alves et al. 2001; Brown et al. 1998; Hughes and Friedman 2003; Lynch and Conery 2000; Ohta 2003) novel genetic material (Knox et al. 1996; Park et al. 1996) novel genetically-regulated abilities (Prijambada et al. 1995)
ssuuppeerrbbooyy 2 months ago
@ssuuppeerrbbooyy Yes, nothingness, just the same as before you were born, why is this so hard to accept?
CntthnkO15 2 months ago
@CntthnkO15 Actully evolution isn't even really a theory. A theory has to be testable and repeatable. Evolution is neither.
BlackFolioStudios 2 months ago
@BlackFolioStudios Finding the information that this earth is 4.5 billion years old is indefinitely repeatable. If just this fact is true, I'm going to say that the bible, quran, gita, other fiction, are beyond false in regard to reality. Thanks for the comment though. And btw, according to your logic, we can't test your so called "creation theory," so good job attacking your beliefs as well.
CntthnkO15 2 months ago
His entire argument is from incredulity. A logical fallacy.
stevenweir76 3 months ago
@stevenweir76 Your reasoning is a logical fallacy in itself.
gloinstrong 3 months ago
@gloinstrong - How so?
stevenweir76 3 months ago
I think deep down most people (not everyone) knows to some degree that there has to be a creator. Sadly a lot of people just don't like the idea of God for one reason or another. The fact that reality even exist is perplexing in itself. Think about that for a minute.. Can random processes really take inorganic matter, jolt it to life, have it figure out on it's own that it needs to reproduce, and then eventually evolve into free thinking, conscious, self aware beings? I don't think so.
03chrisv 3 months ago 2
it's not that some people don't like the idea of a god, it's because some people are actually careful enough to look at the evidence. Science has prove that our way of thinking about things is so counterintuitive to actually how nature work. For example quantum mechanic which nobody thinks makes sense cause we can't understand it, but it just how nature works. As for a creator we always think that every organised thing need something to create it, that's how we evolved to think we cud b wrong.
simw7 3 months ago
@simw7 Quantum physics also shows that information and even consciousness is in integral part to reality. Quantum physics is starting to point into a direction where we can start thinking about an eternal consciousness as being a legitimate concept to study. We as humans take our own existence for granted and we don't even stop to think about it. I mean the universe and life didn't have to exist, but here we are. I just don't see how star dust eventually came to life and evolved into you and me.
03chrisv 3 months ago
@03chrisv see I hate when people use quantum physics and use it for their own agenda,..ok,..what part of equation of quantum physics says anything about eternal consciousness? and yes the universe and life didn't have to exist,..so what? I mean it did, therefore it was inevitable that life was going to exist. I mean,.life as we know it is rare in the universe,..so what?
simw7 3 months ago
@simw7 Quantum physics supports the idea of an eternal consciousness, if you don't like that then I'm sorry. Given all of our advanced technology, knowledge, and conscious thought, we aren't even close to making simple life. Yet we are to believe that unguided natural processes are able to out wit us? Not to mention how did the first single cell life form get the mechanism to reproduce? Without that there is no continuation to its species. What, did it have that by chance as soon as it existed?
03chrisv 3 months ago
"Quantum physics supports the idea of an eternal consciousness" i'm asking you what part of quantum physics support that? and how come leading scientists who are actually working on it don't support it? "
"Given all of our advanced technology, knowledge, and conscious thought, we aren't even close to making simple life"
well nature is complex so what? life started on earth about few billions years ago,..it had a longtime to evolve from a single cell,..simple cell to complexity. laws of physics
simw7 3 months ago
@simw7 You can find articles or even videos that deal with the topic of how consciousness and quantum physics is related. Quantum physics is the study of the atomic world, not an equation so I don't know what you're referring to when you say "what part of equation of quantum physics says anything about eternal consciousness?". I never said that quantum physics proves an eternal consciousness, but it does support the idea, meaning it's not outside of its scope and it doesn't defy any of its laws.
03chrisv 3 months ago
i meant to say that any equations that support eternal consciousness or any testable evidence. I've read some of those lecture,..they usually refer to the experiment where you observe an electron which is affected by the observer. so the electron could be in 2 places at once. And people who are always referring to this eternal consciousness are deepak chopra. Also, has any of those articles published in any scientific journals? and had been peer reviewed to merit any recognition?
simw7 3 months ago
@simw7 No I cannot find any published articles to scientific journals mainly because mainstream science has a big bias. I'm sure you're quite aware on how much effort goes into trying to explain everything naturally, even if it doesn't always make sense.The reason why I believe in God is because I have had personal supernatural experiences occur in my life. I don't need to convince myself, I only research this stuff out of curiosity. God cannot be put into a test tube, he has to be experienced.
03chrisv 3 months ago
excuses,..the mainstream science has a big bias. No,.that's an other excuse people with crazy ideas always come up with. the peer review process is actually what makes science better,..it tend to remove all the bias cause scientists can be bias in their research,..this prove tend to eliminate all bias. Creationist always come up with this excuse. Also, yeah you had a personal experience with your god, back in the days people had personal experience with zeus. But, hey everyone has their beliefs.
simw7 3 months ago
@simw7 So you think by chance star dust eventually came to life though some natural process, and in that instant it had genetic information and already had the means to reproduce? That's a long shot. Not to mention that amino acids cannot assemble themselves into proteins without genetic information. So the information would have needed to exist prior to the first living cell. So where did the information come from? Yes I've read the half baked theories and models that we have.
03chrisv 3 months ago
@03chrisv yes, life started on earth naturally,.. all that's ur doing is called the god of the gap. just because we don't understand something that doesn't mean god did it. Even though we can't replicate how life started here on earth,..you have to know that it this process took almost a billion years for life to form,..it's something you can't easily do. For example we don't have the same atmosphere,.we can't replicate the conditions, in fact, how how can we replicate that process in a beaker?
simw7 3 months ago
@simw7
1 life started on earth naturally,..
2 just because we don't understand something that doesn't mean god did it.
You are adamant that life started naturally and then you say we don´t know how it started naturally. You may very well be right, but this is an act of faith.
93Wrain 3 months ago
@93Wrain i don't understand why anybody would think that life need something supernatural to start. I mean life became complex naturally,...evolution
simw7 3 months ago
Protagora, Democrito, Epicuro, Foscolo, Garibaldi, Leopardi, Calvino, Levi, Freud, Marx, Mill, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Einstein, Hawking, Dawkins, Allen, Asimov, De Andrè, Fallaci, Montanelli, Russel, Tesla, Watson, Miller, Crick, Curie, Dirac, Feynman, Fo, Hayek, Hemingway, Chaplin, Gorbačëv, Hack, Clooney, Pitt, Montalcini, Lehn, Monod, Pauling, Pirandello, Steinberger, Weinberg, Gramsci, Popper, Armstrong, Darwin, Eco, Ferrari, Fonda, Ford, Gates, Hessel...
Just for saying...
tantomoriremotutti 3 months ago
In the former USSR1917-92 atheism/evolution was taught day-care-university. The Bible was banned&parents could'nt teach it to kids. Within months of the fall of the USSR in 92 the Bible was reintroduced in Russian schools. The main one behind this was Olga Lutsenko&she was an atheist then. Death threats caused her to leave in 96&she lives in Canada&is a Christian now. I support her work financially, BTWshe is on youtube. Creationism is also taught in Russian schools along with the Bibke FYI.
RonSafreed 3 months ago
It is not enough to believe in GOD. We have to know GOD's Son JESUS, who is the way to the life after this.
Loliluv 3 months ago
Notice the leading questions. The interviewer is simply steering Flew through the interview, making Flew seem less senile than he actually is by this point. I hope I die suddenly, before my mind starts trickling away like that.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
What a terrible set of reasons to become a theist! It's the old "god of the gaps" argument. Biologists and biochemists are obtaining enormous amounts of evidence for the spontaneous occurrence of the chemistry of life under the proper physical conditions. Until this interview, Flew hadn't even thought very much about the qualities of whatever he thinks exists now, without verifiable evidence whatever. Magical agency! He's drunk the Kool-Aid. Sad.
Nodelusionnow 4 months ago
@Nodelusionnow
"spontaneous occurrence of the chemistry of life under the proper physical conditions"..... maybe u can splain it for us, the unilluminated. After all, you must be one of the "bright".....
doc70gsx 3 months ago
@doc70gsx If you've had a course in biochemistry and one in evolutionary biology, I can explain it to you off line. For those who are interested, the best book that I know on this subject is "Life Ascending. The Ten Great Inventions of Evolution" by biochemist Dr. Nick Lane.This is a magnificently written, highly accessible book that covers the topic of the spontaneous development of the chemistry of life under primordial conditions, as well as nine other topics in Evolution.
Nodelusionnow 3 months ago
@Nodelusionnow Boy, that just sounds too good to be true! I wonder if there is any indication or explanation of how all of the "proper physical conditions" suddenly were able to occur? How is it that a void can now suddenly become non-void?
One of the champions of the "thinkers" comes lately with a different thought based on years of "thinking", most of which were reported by other "thinkers" as cutting edge, now gets a stoning by the very community which he lead...there is tolerance for ya!
doc70gsx 3 months ago
@doc70gsx Your comments make no sense to me. I'm a scientist. You asked me a question about Evolution. I've given you the title of a great book on the subject that provides a huge amount of evidence that Flew is apparently unfamiliar with. This has nothing whatever to do with tolerance, condemnation, and the like. It has to do with science, Evolution, biochemistry and molecular biology. Read and study! Make up your own mind.
Nodelusionnow 3 months ago
@Nodelusionnow Here is some reading for you Triple W. gty dot org/blog/B100330
doc70gsx 3 months ago
For the truth about religion try Robert M. Price, ' The reason driven life ' or John W. Loftus or Victor J. Stenger, ' God, the failed hypothesis' . Also interesting to have a look at the 1500BCE papyrus of Ani, with its god Osiris who weighs the heart to decide who can pass to the land of the living.[ The need to know the names of the gods & the negative confession & other magic texts to get there]. James Frazer's 'The Golden Bough' and C.S. Lewis, 'Mere Christianity'
zytigon 4 months ago
@Terncote Read my comment, don't ever be fooled by exaggerated claims made by Theists.
pat5168 4 months ago
Sigh....Theists will use absolutely anything to try to manipulate people. Antony's one and only piece of evidence for him was an apparent improbability of life being created through natural claims, also, he defected to a modest deism, not theism of any kind. He in fact admitted later that he had not kept up with the recent studies for abiogenesis and had not kept up with the scientific community. He was also never an outspoken atheist and the argument from authority means nothing.
pat5168 4 months ago
@pat5168 actually he was a very outspoken athiest, heck he even redefined athiesm to mean "Lack of belief". he was a major influence on athiesm today both popular and acedemic please dont take that away from him. also diesm is a belief in God just that God created the universe and "sits back and lets it happen". However i agree that his conversion doesnt really mean very much, people convert to athiesm and thiesm every day im not sure why Flew is significant.
tarasan1 4 months ago