Anwar - Hindraf boneka Anwar

[matkong1]

anuar mesti tdo aman skrg kan..bini gan anak dia pon mesti njoy tgk bapa dia tdo nyenyak..tp dia org x tau..dia dah keluar islam masuk hndu..nama baru dia Anuar A/L Hindraf..kalau blh kita bakar hidup2 dalang haram ni!

[malaykers7]

anwar keling !

[eddy1601]

Fuck anwar.. tunggu mase je nak jatuh die tu. Citer sebijik cam keling, memang samela dgn hindraf tu. Ni ckp bulan Disemberlak nak jadi PM. Yg penyokong pegi pecaye bulat2 sbb kebyakan pembangkang ni mmg asal nya bodo sebab xbole pikir.. Aku sokong kerajaan tp x sokong Pak Lah sbb aku bole nilai. Tp xdela fanatik gile mcmla Anwar tu nak tolong korg bila jd PM. Pikirla sendiri tolol..hahaha

[Boovaragan]

Hindraf punya pasal,sekarang ada sikit2 tolong org India.Kuil2 pun tak diroboh sesuka hati.Kalau Anwar jadi dalang pun tak salah.Sesetengah tuntutan perlu dibuat dengan cara ini,kalau tak?tak dapatlah jawabnye.

[kuburdunia2]

mana pencacai2 UMNO ni.. upah x masuk ka? tu sbb kerja x jalan. haha.. x syiokk la klu pencacai2 ni x de. nak gak baca hujah dungu dan bangang mereka. lagik2 selepas kekalahan 6 negeri. haha.. jahanamlah UMNO..

[fitssin]

anwar juz perjuangkan hak berhimpun.

sbb kite negara demokrasi. ingat yer!!!! DEMOKRASI!!

[fiznira]

ad hkmah dsblik smua ni blaku...tgk rmai yg dh xprcaya ag kt krajaan skrg...SELAMAT AMAN N MAKMUR konon klu plihan rye 1 blh le wt manifesto 2 ni dh 50 thn xde nye slmat pn..2 pn korg still nk angkt diorg jdk pmimpin ke???

[alhafizilyas]

mampos la klunawar tuh dalang ke dulang ker ko sbok ape..kutok org pandai...meh sini turun nsk kne bantai ker...ksi alamat

[0209475s]

article 153, which had malay special rights, was what i meant was in the constitution when malaysia got indepenpendce.

[0209475s]

1) malays dont draw blood? then explain to all the indian families that have lost thier children in jail. if this happened in fair country, there will be public outcry. here, they dont even report it. they take the keris and they draw our blood in jail. stop killing us when we are not looking, i repeat kampung medan has no official inquiry. the keris came flying that time.

[0209475s]

2)The Malays dont agree with their forefathers. They broke it by continuing the NEP after 15 years and made an ammendment to the consitution to keep continuing and review it whenever they plese. So we did not agree to that, so I too need to start making ammendments to the social contract for my welfare no? so let us start by making a fair demand and say the NEP for all low income earners? isn;t that fair? what use does a rich malay need from the NEP? to become richer?

[0209475s]

3) the wife's statement cant be used in Shariah. then what kind of court is this? a court listens to its people and makes a decision. In this case, the person cant even give her view, then how can a decision or investigation be taken? Moorthy had chosen Islam voluntarily? says the media. says the syariah, but the wife disagrees, but her view is not considered? this is not a court, this is a deaf court.

[zenaku86]

the court did listen to his wife..what i mean was his wife's view is not strong enough to fight against the evidence..

if Moorthy hadnt converted to islam, Jakim wont argue the case in the court. But the truth is there, and he was a muslim..

there is no point to go to Shariah court if he was a Hindu..and thats not fair in Islam either..

[0209475s]

the truth is there? Allah came down himself and said that is the truth? or syariah people are saying its the truth? I wont beleive it because they keep lying in the news. the trend is they will keep lying, and the probability is they lied by saying moorthy was a muslim. why dont u ask the wife? why dont u ask uthaya why that case had no truth in him converting. im sure he will have a lot of evidence that is strong, but not 'strong' enough for shyariah.

[0209475s]

of course he shouldnt have gone to the syariah in the first place! the wife says he's a hindu. they say he's a muslim. its one word against another. there should have been a proper trial to decide first whether is is muslim. after they ahve decided he is a muslim, they can go to syariah and decide again. that should the right way.

[zenaku86]

my friend, yes the wife has presente her argument in the court, but still hard evidence is more powerful than anybody's word..even in The Hague world court..

why do u say the syariah people KEEP lying?..muslims wont take Moorthy's burial from her wife if he was a Hindhu..thats not even allowed in the religion

[0209475s]

my friend, exactly so why dont they let the 'hard evidence' come out in the public court first to decide if he was a muslim? and you're telling me a lady that says her huuband is not a muslim is not hard evidence? but some paper that JAKIM has with his signature is? My friend, let the case start in the public courts to decide if he really was muslim. and why do they lie? because does the malaysian goverment lie? if yes, then i rest my case.

[zenaku86]

yes the wife's word is not a hard evidence. Hard evidence is something referred to an object that can be shown..someone's word is not a hard evidence, it is open to recall bias..

[0209475s]

well said my friend, i apologise, i agree with you totally there can be recall bias there. now using this same brillaint logic,....can i now say if i show u a paper that has moorthy's signature in her cupboard saying M.moothy is a hindu you will suddenly accept it as hard evidence? some paper Jakim has that says he's a muslim is considered hard evidence? you're logical so you can aruge this for yourself im sure.

[zenaku86]

ok if thats the case, still Jakim's record is stronger. By law, if Moorthy wanted to convert back to Hindu he shud hv told Jakim first.

Since he hadnt do so, he is still a muslim under constitution.

[0209475s]

well similarly, if he did convert to Islam, JAKIM should make sure the family are aware of this yes? unfortunately the wife says she was not. and this is on you tube too. and what if moorthy did go to JAKIM to tell them he did not convert, but they refuse to allow him to be hindu again? like Lina Joy's case? it is against Islam covert once you're a muslim no? The problem is, the syariah made the decision. not an independent judiciary, that is not biased to the religion in dispute. that is fair.

[zenaku86]

informing the family about the conversion is not Jakim's obligation by law, the person him/herself should inform the family..

[0209475s]

and you think this is right, not needing to inform the family of something as important as a change in religion?but the main issue is it was not an independent public court that made a decision on whther he was a muslim in the first place. it was a muslim court, and that means you have introduced a bias to the situation.

[0209475s]

'muslims wont take Moorthy's burial...thats not even allowed in the religion' - just recently they took a chirstians body but stopped the burial only after the family brought the case up, if they didnt they would have buried him as a muslim too. so then why did they take this christians body? so the religion allows you to take the body first and then only decide if he's really muslim, only once the family make a fuss? it was a mistake, can moorthy's case maybe be a mistake too?

[0209475s]

tell our brave and kind malays to respect the social contract like u said already. stop changing it to make it suit them more and more. they have 600 over ammendments in 50 years. USA has made 27 ammendments to their constituiton in over 200 years. that is a democracy.

[zenaku86]

the malay didnt not change the social contract..in fact NEP doesnt contradict the social contract itself..

[0209475s]

the malays changed the contract, the NEP was supposed to end 15 years after independance, ask a lawyer. not a syariah lawyer, a bar council lawyer. I never said the NEP contradicts the social contract, i said its supposed to end a long time ago.

[zenaku86]

NEP started at 1971. I've never heard any information saying it has started after independence.

[0209475s]

yes it started in 1970, it was after race riots, before that it was article 153 that allowed malays special rights. Article 153 was in the constitution, not the NEP. which means all the additional benefits are new to the constituion. it was a change to my forfathers social contract. it was supposed to end in 1990. it hasn't. now please tell me why they keep breaking our agreements? and my point is HINDRAF is telling them to be fair. stop making empty promises and breaking contracts.

[zenaku86]

yes NEP has ENDED in 1990. It was succeeded by the National Development Policy in 1991.

They keep to their word to end NEP in 1990 as promised. NEP didnt contradict the social contract. It is not a change to the contract my friend, its parallel to it.

[0209475s]

My point EXACTLY!!! what about the promise of a social contract? they are making ammendments to the constitution everytime to suit them! stop changing our soical contract! what is the point in ENDING it if they start a new one?!? that is the PROBLEM! they can keep ending and starting again, they might as well say they will continue it forever, they might as well not have a constitution!

[0209475s]

and when you say parallel. this is used loosely, it is parellel and much wider in scope, they brought in so many more new lawd that benefits them. They keep bringing new ones!!? this is UNNACEPTABLE. that is why HIndraf demonstrated, because we are being marginalised! because MIC does nothing but agree.

[zenaku86]

the malay DIDNT change the social contract. I think u got a bit misunderstanding here.

Social contract is just part of the constitution. and there are loads of other things in the constitution apart from the social contract.

constitution is ammendable under 2/3 majority vote. what they did was, establishing NDP in the constitution, not changing the social contract at all.

since NDP is parallel to the contract, it is acceptable..

[0209475s]

there was a social contract in 1957 in article 153 under the constitution. it had a few privelages and my forefathers agreed. Now they brought in the NDP, so its not up to my forefather anymore, its up to me, and I disagree. so they ammend the constitution with the 2/3rd majority. it is acceptable to *you* and that 2/3rd majority in parliament. It is not acceptable to HINDRAF. that is why we demonstrated because that 2/3rd in parliament dont represent our wishes.

[zenaku86]

yeh u can say that..but i still didnt see NDP has anything to contradict what our forefathers had agreed. so i'll go for it.

well if you dont think its unacceptable its yours to choose..use ur vote..

ok i got to go here..nice talking to you..if you want to ask me anything just send me an email k..all the best!

[0209475s]

alright my friend dont worry my vote is definitely not going to BN this year. Enjoy the rest of your day and enjoy the rest of your life being my Tuan Melayu.

[ak47ice1982]

making amendments in constitution is a very serious issue. But now it is simply changed to make corruption easier.

[zenaku86]

i agree with HINDRAF to the extent that we should help our Indian friends..but their approach is not truly right..

they claimed:

1.government is an Islamic Extremist backed gov who oppresses the indians

2.ethnic cleansing exist in Msia

3.they wud hv been luxurious if the British didnt take them centuries ago

what r they doing?

they ask the colonialist to do something with what happened in our country. Is this not an insult to the Yg Dipertuan Agong?

[jeesumsee]

Tak yah fikir jauh..

Hindraf ni semua keje Anuar bagi lengahkan pilihanraya sebab skrg dia tak boleh bertanding.. bila org kanan Hindraf masuk ke dalam ISA.. ada Anuar tolong?..setakad buat demontrasi 200 org adalah. La ni dia terus senyap, sibuk dgn Linggam.

[0209475s]

they went to the royal palace about a month before demonstrating to ask for agongs help, read before you comment.The Agong took the petition but nothing happened.Also,you're right in pointing out that some of their claims are half truths, but at least there are so many more truths compared to the lies this BN goverment has been feeding indians for the last 50 years. if you can list only 3 problems with HIndraf I can list a million more from MIC, My choice then definitely goes to HINDRAF! VAALGE!

[zenaku86]

my friend i have never came across any information that they've sent the petition to YDPAgong a month before..i hope u cud give me one if u dont mind..

im a bit skeptical with the petition. if they really fight for the petition, why they keep the petition in silence now?

in fact, the British didnt even receive the fax they claimed!

where are those 1 million each that they promised to fight for??

i think this is more to political interest rather than our Indian community welfare..

[0209475s]

why do they keep the petition in silence now? - the petition is silent to people who are not trying to listen or look for it. why dont you go to the temple in Port Klang?

[0209475s]

the 1 million- do you really think the indians think they are going to get 1 million? we are not that stupid, even uthaya said in all his 16 forums around malaysia, that chance is slim and is not the main aim of the HINDRAF movement. It our rights that are more important. That is what we want.

[0209475s]

And at elast they didnt take money from us, like goverment and MIC that taxes but goes where i dont know, defintiely not to the indian community. And honestly speaking no indian I know is bothered about the legal suit to the British, what we want to know is whether the goverment is going to give us our rights. that is more important to my future generation than money.

[0209475s]

didnt receive the fax - so what if the British didnt receive the fax. No indian is bothered about this. I have to again stress my point. we want to know what the malaysian goverment is going to do about our demands. so far they beat us, broke our temples, jailed our 5 heroes who dared to ask.

[0209475s]

and about the british, Waythamoorty released a press statement that he will deliver it to the Queen, and he has done that. He is currently under political asylum in london, and they just protested in front of the malaysian embassy. He has personally handed the petition to the royal guards, the queens representatives to be delivered to the Queen.

[0209475s]

About the petition to the Agong its in malaysia kini, but there is also a clip on youtube that shows them all outside the national palace, they also went to parliament to pass it to the PM. no one came to take it. These 2 clips are on you tube. Look for them, dont make assumptions based on reading the Malaysian news, those are the governments propoganda arms. but the good thing is, you made a good start by asking. that is better than assuming. thank you.

[zenaku86]

thank you for the information.

as i said i agree with hindraf that we shud help Malaysian Indian but their approach is just unacceptable to me.

they claimed we've got ethnic cleansing here? that's an insult to the malay you know. my malay friends are very2 frustrated.

are the malays cruel enough to kill the Indians?? we lived peacefully for 50 years now and 'sampai hati' they've made that such wild statement...

i know they need attention but please, do not insult other races...

[0209475s]

all the HIndraf people are sorry about this, even Uthaya apologised when he was asked about this, he said he cant even remember how it got put down. im sorry its an inslut to the malays, but if this one thing you cant forgive us, then what about the hihsmuddins keris? what about destorying my 100 year old temple on Diwali eve? what about calling us thugs and hooligans? and what about burying M.Moorthis body as a muslim without even going through the courts?

[0209475s]

all this and we forgive them? and this is just over a few years, if i start naming all the things over 50 years? like francis udayappan that dies in jail? forgive us, we make mistakes too, but that is no reason to not listen to the rest of our points. We still listened for 0 years to BN. we kept forgiving. so fo rthis one thing. tell our very fair Malays to forgive us, now that's over, what about the other claims in our petition? what are you going to do about them?

[0209475s]

*we listened for 50 years to BN* so just for one mistake, tell your malay friends to be patient like how the indians ahve been patient. we make mistakes too, concentrate on our other demands, not our mistake which we already apologised for. of course this apology your malaysian news wont tell you.

[zenaku86]

I dont see a big problem with the keris, bcoz under the social contract that our forefathers have agreed, we shud respect Malay specialities..

about the temple, even masjids are also torn down if they hv no permit..in fact a lot more masjids hd been torn down than temples..but still rebuiled in alternative places have been presented for both..

we dont call Indian hooligans, only few uneducated people do, just like some Indians, so fair enough..

[zenaku86]

M.Moorthy had gone thru syariah court bcoz he was a muslim b4 he died..and this didnt contradict the constitution...

[0209475s]

well i am the current generation of malaysian, not my forefather, who thought that he was an immigrant. I am a malaysian, and i dont believe that i should be treated less than another malaysian, especially when i am much poorer interms of equity. so give me respect. sheath that keris and dont take it out again please. because there is only one use for a keris. to draw blood. i dont like that, you may but not me and HINDRAF.

[zenaku86]

dont look at the keris from negative perspective..it is to protect all the races in Malaysia..org Melayu dont draw friend's blood..

you cant say u dont agree bcoz that was your forefather's word..if so, the Malay can also say they didnt agree with their forefather, and dont even want to share the land with other races long time ago..

thing has passed, so let just respect the contract as prescribed and live peacefully...

[0209475s]

according to the wife, he wasn't a muslim, that why the case agaisnt the government even started, thats how this whole HIDRAF group started, from the Moorthi case. So these facts come from malaysian news. and i perosnally know the nes lies. because i wwas in batu caves when they shot tear gas. why dont you ask the wife whther he converted?

[0209475s]

there are even videos and photos that show them shooting tear gas, yet the head of police comes on in STAR saying, no we didnt use tear gas. you expect me to beleive them if they tell me Moorthi converted before he died? no chance. waht about Kampung Medan? till today there is no comission to look in to how the situation was handled and how many indians really died and whther the police were biased.

[zenaku86]

the wife's view cant be used in court..the conversion of Moorthy to islam has been recorded in Jakim..and Moorthy had chose Islam voluntarily..

its not the government fault..he chose his own life..

[0209475s]

if they are going to tear down a temple, you can choose to do it two ways. one with people agreeing peacefully, another disagreeing peacefully. They did it 2 days before Diwali. I think that is unacceptable. not all our temples have been given alternative places. and the areas they give it to are an insult, beside a sewerage plant, beside high generator electrical transformers, please, let us look at the truth here. they make too many mistakes. Hindrafs methods has a handful.

[zenaku86]

i heard about the alternative places, that were proposals and still negotiable..so no big deal..

lets sit together in the same table and discuss about it peacefully..not emotionally or thru demonstration..

[0209475s]

okay we will sit together. but if you dont listen to us, like ythey have not for the last 50 years, we will demonstrate. UMNO demonstrated when they were against the malayan union too? they forgot history now? khairy can demonstrate whenever he wants? why can i demonstrate. any other fair country people deomonstrate weekly. if the rakyat want to demonstrate, the goverment should let them. that is what the goverment is there for, the rakyat.

[0209475s]

refer to comments 1) 2) and 3) below.

[0209475s]

hey brother, tell hishamuddin to wave the keris more now, it is better than any campaign barisan rakyat have to gain opposition votes, he wave last time, this year 82 seats to pembangkang, tell him to wave again, so we can get 140 next time.

you dont see the keris as a big problem. we see it as a big problem, and we showed it to u in the ballot box. one more time we see that keris from that idiot, nik aziz and anwar are going to tell him to shut up and sit down in parliament.

[accordblack]

Rasuah ada di mana mana termasuk Pembangkang sekali dan kerajaan telah bertindak mana yang bersalah. Tapi... ko tak yah lah besarkan benda ni TOKOK TAMBAH sampai jadi MODAL POLITIK ko. Nak cerita rasuah pembangkangpun banyak, bukan saja duit kerajaan tapi duit penyokong diapun dia belasah.

Isue mcm ni dah lama Lim Kit Siang bawak, tapi DACING jugak pilihan sb rakyat menggunakan DACING untuk menilai. Bukan pakai MATA BUNTANG SEBELAH!. Mengintai je keje ko

[timbunan]

kalo ko kate die mnokok tambah buktikan...kalo ko kate pembangkang ade rasuah buktikan

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Kuburdunia sebenarnya nak cakap:

satu persatu tingkah laku pemimpin Keadilan memalukan negara di mata dunia. aduihh mana nak letak muka. dunia pasti cemburu melihat kepandaian rakyat malaysia memilih pemimpin. cukuplah Anuar jgn main tipu lagi. bagilah rakyat malaysia pilih pemimpin mereka dlm pilihanraya yg adil dan bersih. cukuplah.. maluu wei. sokonglah BN klu nak tgk masa depan negara cerah. sokong..sokong BN

[sementeb]

penipu punyer gov

[jeesumsee]

Ko la balaci Keadilan yang patut dilaknat Tuhan..

Ko sebarkan cerita ada cd blue pemimpin UMNO kat Johor.Ko cakap Islam hadhari benarkan maksiat pada hal benda tu tak adapun..

Ko dah DIREKRUT dek Anuar yg suka 'main sondol belakang', sebab tu mulut ko senantiasa menuduh orang..

Ko ingat ya.. lidah ko nyawa ko..!!

[pendetakpmu]

tak hidup melayu nak hidup Hindraf ker...

hahahaha..bodoh...!!

apa bangsa la ko nih...

[jeesumsee]

Ketua ketua Hindraf asalnya mintak kat kerajaan Britain dan M'sia projek utk kepentingan sendiri kononnya utk masy. India. Bila x dpt, joint pulak(DAP) Xdpt jugak pegi kat Anuar. Anuar pulak skrg tak boleh bertanding..(baru keluar penjara) so dia gunakan Hindraf utk lengahkan pilihanraya. Bila org Hindraf kena tangkap, dia kata setengah sokong, setengah tidak isu Hindraf ni. Jadi, org Hindu kena ketuk kepala Anuar dulu...

[akumalaysian]

I suggest PENDETAKPMU masuk bawah kain sarong perempuan orang UMNO untuk lihat siapa belakang HINDRAF.

Bawa kamu punya video clip pergi ke tempat lain lah.

[budak2008]

haha .... yea bullshit. must be from umno or its dog mic.

[humanact]

this video must be from UMNO!Anwar is true manly leader , willing to come down to the field to see the problem. Not like the COWARD UMNO led government!!!