Heraclitus and the Buddha on Impermanence

[opensourcebuddhism]

Thanks for sharing that!

[allsaintsmonastery]

Brilliant lecture, and much appreciated. (Archbishop Lazar.)

[opensourcebuddhism]

@allsaintsmonastery thanks for sharing that Archbiship Lazar!

[dvsthientai]

Wow! great

I just came to this realization today, when looking-up impermanence and the fear of success. Which had no real results when searched on the internet. So interestingly I found out about Heraclitus (in which I just pasted his name here) I'd only heard a little about him. So.....both guys were smart, fantastic. Most smart people understand Buddhism which is purely science. Anything beyond science, like gods, the before, and after life is not Buddhism. Just my thoughts as a Zen Buddhist

[MsRedjay]

@opensourcebuddhism - I think bretbret99 is referring to the comments made by CaronteEmpire 3 months ago, not Mr. Bakken's work!

[opensourcebuddhism]

@MsRedjay Thanks Ms Redjay,

for clarifying that for me!

[invanorm]

Heraclitus ftw.

[islandzebra]

great video, thank you : )

[bretbret99]

How can someone who loves philosophy degenerate to childish name-calling and what amounts to an e-hissy fit. I think you need to revisit Aristotle's ethics Greek philosophy lover.

[opensourcebuddhism]

@bretbret99 What could you possibly mean? Where does Mr. Bakken call names? I do not recall...please be specific. His aim is to compare the impermanence views of two world-renowned philosophers.

[cloud1232006]

It'd be hilarious to find out that you're a zen master hahahaha ^_^

[cloud1232006]

lmao...

"true interesting phylosophers"

I don't think you understood a lot of what I have said...

Heraclitus had some very good points, but for me to argue with you about how "interesting" each one of these people are is about as pointless as your own existence ^_^

You'll get there however you get there, and when you get there, you'll find yourself not agreeing or disagreeing, not resisting the constant flow that is life...

[opensourcebuddhism]

Hmmm....I wonder if they were so much greater than Buddha why no one one streets will likely have heard of any of those Greeks or Romans? Ask them about the Buddha. Sorry friend, Jesus' tradition overwhelmed your Greek and Roman friends' traditions. Philosopher Buddha won the day, and sorry, Heraclitus is a dabbler in the time/space debate. This kind of thing is the Buddhists "bread and butter."

[mussman717word]

How can you say Heraclitus was only a "dabbler in the time/space debate" when the vast majority of his writings were lost over time, as you've already admitted in the video. Fuck off, Heraclitus is bad-ass.

[cloud1232006]

Very interesting, I think if one starts looking for enlightenment, you'll see that there are almost no differences between the many masters... But if you look only philosophically at things, you'll miss everything

[opensourcebuddhism]

I think you are in a cloud, Cloud. Just writing those words you are a philosopher. Did you miss everything? The problem with the "many paths to the mountaintop" view is that we are not there, just on one of the paths. Until we get there, it doesn't look to me like Muhammad and Laozi are on the same path, does it to you? In that case we need philosophy. Buddha himself said not all high meditation states are the same, and was a philosopher even about that. kind of thing.

[cloud1232006]

Philosophy = the love of knowledge

Enlightenment involves losing everything you have known and stepping into the unknown, and this is what I meant that if you only look philosophically, you'll miss everything

[qaplatlhinganmaH]

Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE

[zigsauer]

One of the successor states of Alexander the Great's Empire was The Indo-Greek Kingdom .

And i think we can draw paralells with the forming of Christianity (wich is a revamping of the ancient Greek religion) and the forming of Buddism both had ancient Greek sources !

Buddism was the official Religion of the Indo-Greek State and there was a merging of Ideas .

Google for Greco-Buddhism

Odysseus name itself means Man of Pain

They main source of Greek Thinking is Homers Illiad and Odyssey

[zigsauer]

There was interaction between India and Greece before Alexanders campaign .

Alexander himself said the he was walking in the footsteps of Dionysus and Hercules .

Nonnus Dionysiaca is an epic in forty-eight books, the main subject of which is the expedition of Dionysus to India and his return .

[neothomist1275]

Heraclitus and The Buddha were also contemporaries with Confucius. They represent the discovery of the individual soul -- a process which culminated with the religion of Christ.

[Mig440]

No!

Christ and the christian faith is concerned with individuality free from all restrictions.

Heraclitus is concerned with eternal change, which doesn't go well with a notion of a soul that's fixed.

[neothomist1275]

Ontologically they are very different, yes.

But they both represent the move away from the compactness of pagan experience.

[Mig440]

The self for Heraclitus and much of the Pre-socratics were not as fixed as it is in the christian faith. Even the idea of fire as the sole basis of everything suggests a world were flux is the norm and not being.

Especially their god Dionysus reveals this unity of all beings, through intoxication and tragedy.

[neothomist1275]

Again, I understand that Heraclitus viewed things cosmologically, lacking the metaphysics necessary to account for an immortal soul. But I don't think you are considering the connection between an acknowledged impermanence in the cosmos and the search for meaning.

[Mig440]

Still Heraclitus didn't think of the soul as being eternal or immortal in anyway, just as much as the Buddha rejects the notion of atman in Hinduism. There is no fixed or immortal self. And still Heraclitus despised logical thinking and instead used intuition, which is very far from being metaphysical in the Christian sense of the word.

[x00p3]

Very interesting, thanks.

[NeoBarockLoki]

Indeed !

[sebastiaosalgado1979]

Good video!!