Honestly that cop is way more mellow than the cops around where I live. I'm pretty sure I would have been asked to leave my vehicle and handcuffed while my car was searched. Sure he had no right to do that but does it really matter.
Just image tht u were pulled over and officers are looking for someone tht looks like u (whatever call goes out such as White male or Hispanic and whatever age) and u tell them u can from the same area and u didn't even know it. This is a prime example why u should shut your mouth as soon as u encounter police.
Please stop being ignorant. There is no one with a BA, MBA or law degree in criminal justice tht will tell u to cooperate with police. Never speak. If they ask where u are coming from, say over there. If asked where u are going, say just driving and not sure where I want to drive to yet
sorry but you are crazy. if you just showed him your ID then you wouldnt have a problem. what if there was a suspect on the loose and they just wanted to clear you? you were making yourself look guilty...smh
And furthermore, you have absolutely no clue what officers go through everyday. They've sworn to protect YOU from the burglars, the robbers, the parolees, and the garbage that walks the streets each and everyday. They protect you while spending time away from their families and loved ones. They don't always get to be there for soccer games and Christmases. You need to think twice before you preach about something you've been taught by someone that had no experience working in law enforcement.
You are an idiot. You have rights and RESPONSIBILITIES, too. Get out of the United States you liberal idiot. You have NO IDEA what you're actually preaching about. Go to a socialist country (that of which you stand for and don't actually realize it) and try this crap that you pulled when Officer Swithenbank asked for your ID. Who do you call when your house is broken into, again? Or how about when you're approached by a robber on a poorly lighted street?
Socialist countries have different laws then representative republics like the United States/ For example, officers do not have the authority to compel people to answer investigatory questions on demand.
@Pafoofnik1 If there's a potential threat then yes, yes they do. Get the "corrupt cops" thinking out of your head and look at it from the perspective of what he is truly trying to do. You have been brainwashed by your professors who have no law enforcement experience.
Some of these comments are in denial, its as simple as this, if what he was doing was against the law he would have been given a ticket or arrested, did either occur? Its right on camera in front of your face and you still don't believe?, wow
ok i understand why you were doing this but if you give them your name and everything else why didn't you just give him your id? if your gunna do this don't tell them anything!
Mr. Marvin Woods' "Cross Roads to Life" is inspirational. His book adds to the good. Few books (in this age of mechanical computation & mediocrity) bolster decency, humility and thrift.
when they ask for ID ask them for their badge number and if they dont give it to you then dont give them any personal info on you self it is you right not to give them information about yourself
so by this cops reasoning, he could just pull anyone over and demand their ID, and he doesnt need to have a reason other than their in the drivers seat and the engine is running. I </3 when police misuse their authority
i know this officer, he is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. He wasnt being a dick, his job is to keep the campus safe and see who sitting in their parking lot.
@whosyanig Bull! When will you people learn that there has been a campaign of terror set upon citizens? If I decide to have a break in my own car at my city college I will without the interference and intimidation of some blue suited ego inflated security guard!
@lumeriam Although this officer handled the situation pretty well without being too much of an ass. I agree with you that everyone should have their own privacy to sit in their damn car without being annoyed by someone asking for you ID.
You don't actually have to show id, it has to be a lawful order and if you don't have it, you don't have to show it, because as long as you're not doing commerce you can freely travel.
Of course, I hope you do know those officers simply let you go, likely deciding anyone so silly was probably harmless.
California Vehicle Code §12951 (a) The licensee shall have the valid driver's license issued to him or her in his or her immediate possession at all times when driving a motor vehicle upon a highway. (b) The driver of a motor vehicle shall present his or her license for examination upon demand of a peace officer enforcing the provisions of this code.
Well, the obvious answer is that part of §12951 (above) saying he will have a drivers license in his possession at all times when driving. Yes, that's a provision of the code as well. And, yes, he did say he was driving.
Hogwash. I provided the full text copied directly from the California Vehicle Code.
'.. He said he was driving? Where? ..'
At 1:40. The officer says, "Your engine is running. You're in the drivers seat. Are you planning on driving this away?" He answers, "Yeh." With that, §12951 fully applies.
Buddy, you're trying to split hairs, but no court (or sane person) would accept your absurdly narrow interpretation. He was behind the wheel of a vehicle on property which did not belong to him, with the key in the ignition and the engine running. That's operating a motor vehicle. He operated a motor vehicle to get there and intended to operate a motor vehicle to leave. The officer had ample grounds to ask for his drivers license. Enough of this nonsense. Bye.
Not true. Under our Constitution, the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution and it's amendments. According to the Supreme Court ruling in 1968 Terry v. Ohio, only "reasonable suspicion," not probable cause or evidence of a crime, is required to stop, frisk, ID, and/or question an individual. Further, as a condition of driving privileges, state laws require the possession of a drivers license while operating a vehicle and presentation of that license upon demand.
@stewartx5 The constitution does not need to be interpreted by any one including the supreme court that is how we loose our right. The constitution trumps any court or state law, it is in plain english, you must have probable cause according to 4th amendment, reasonable suspicion is not enought.
By the way a privilege can be taken away any time for no reason a driver license cannot be taken away for no reason therefore is a right not a privilege. Thank;s
You're living in pure fantasy land. Again, the Supreme Court, under it's Constitutional mandate, decided the issue of reasonable suspicion versus probable cause (regarding stops, frisks, questioning, etc) in 1968 during Terry v. Ohio. Therefore, it's the law of this land (nation), whether you like it or not. And, of course, a drivers license is granted (or not granted) by the state (after testing, etc), not something you're born with, so is obviously not a right.
@stewartx5 This is an untrue statement. Driving is a right. We as a nation have decided that driving on certain public roads require the possession of a license indicating proficiency in controlling the vehicle you use.
Possession of this license is a right, once the holder satisfies the criteria for the license. The license cannot be rescinded without just cause.
don't you need to be a legally licensed driver in order to operate a motor vehicle?
so if you're in the driver's seat, with the engine on, and admit to driving the car... can't they check to see that you have a valid license, i.e. you have to show them your ID?
I would think that's the reason right there, without even getting into the fact that you basically gave them every piece of info on an ID, but refused to show them the actual card, which shows you just wanted to be a dickhead
@viper3183 said: "don't you need to be a legally licensed driver in order to operate a motor vehicle?"
Nope, unless you're on, say, a public highway and operating a vehicle that needs a license to operate on that road. I live in a area with private roads. My daughter was driving all over this area before she got her license.
I can drive my tractor to Hellenbach, no license needed.
@viper3183: Yep. However the officer probably did not have to authority to demand a license. I think that almost every state requires that an officer have reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot before he can demand a person ID himself. The Supreme Court itself concurred when it decided just that in the case known as "Hiibel"
what a moron... I didn't watch to the end but I hope you ended up with a ticket or worse for your ignorant argument that you shouldn't have to show a police officer your license.
You were placed under arrest illegaly per judgements of Appeal Courts in the US and you didn't know it. The two cops broke the law and stepped on your civil rights. That is a crime under the US Constitution. You need to be prepared and know the law so you can defend yourself. This is not taught in school for a reason. They want a dumb downed population so they can manipulate you illegaly without your kowledge. The cops drove away because they knew they had dishonored their uniforms.
Sorry dude, if you are behind the wheel of a car weather driving or not , a police officer in the state of ca can and will ask for ID. it's California law but I don't remember the vehicle code section. It's in weighting on the back side of ca registration card
@truckindawg1: Well... they can 'ask'. That doesn't mean they can require.
"(b) The driver of a motor vehicle shall present his or her license for examination upon demand of a peace officer enforcing the provisions of this code. " V C Section 12951 Possession of License.
@angryamerican: Correct, you are essentially re-stating what I said. My comment: "enforcing the provisions of this code." equates to your "accused of a crime".
Not investigating criminal activity, but want my ID there officer? Go pound sand.
@angryamerican my buddy and i where stopped in tn i was driving we both where told to get out of my car ,officer asked me for my DL i showed it to him then he ask my buddy for his id my buddy asks why?officer says i want it that's why my buddy asks why again. that's when all hell broke out cops threw both us on the ground and beat my buddy almost to death i just got a busted mouth and stitches in my head my buddy was in the hospital for two weeks.our crime was he asks why did they need his id .
That's why you should get a cell phone with a video camera. Immediately but RESPECTFULLY tell the cop "Officer you are being audio and video recorded."
You need to learn your RIGHTS and how to talk to a cop like you KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.
Go to the You Tube Channel "Flex Your Rights" and educate yourself to avoid this situation in the future.
By the way you should SUE the cop and the police department for a violation of your CIVIL LIBERTIES. Get a good lawyer.
If you were there simply for the WiFi or to pick someone up, all you have to do is tell that to the Officer, show him your license, and it would have been a done deal. I'm tired of liberal college kids that act like pseudo-lawyers. You "won" because the cop realized you were just a jackass and not drunk. They left to handle an emergency call.
You are a tool. You may go to college, but clearly you are not "educated." Let's recap: you're sitting in the driver's seat of a vehicle (with the engine idling), parked in front of bar, at closing time? That my friend, IS probable Cause for the Officer to investigate whether or not you operating that vehicle under the influence. Further, anytime you are operating a motor vehicle on a public street you may be required to show your driver's license, vehicle registration and proof of insurance.
dude, the officer was right. By law you DO have to show that you are legally authorized to operate a motor vehicle. If you had been walking, you would have been right. And giving them your business card is no different than giving them your license. You still identified yourself.
@nvechols Actually you're wrong. The supreme court struck down all state laws requiring to show ID upon demand without probable cause. That includes operating a motor vehicle. Unless there has been some crime committed, you are not compelled to show ID.
You are a dildo.....That was the University Police..A door shaker..People like you are the reason for having a Police Department in the first place..Loser....
LOVED this video. im a perspective student to csu chico and ive heard of things like this (presumably because its known as a party school) but this is ridiculous. you did an awesome job and i would have been laughing too.
Without reading any of the responses you got, thus far... if I were a police officer and someone was refusing to show ID, I would assume they are trying to hide something. You go through ALL that trouble showing them everything BUT your ID yet you make an issue out of them wanting to see it? In Chico, there are tons of good citizens, shitty citizens and those on parole. If you were downtown, the police are probably 10 times as likely to randomly ask you for your ID 'w/o' reason.
@MorbidGirlie: It is not lawful to require a person to produce ID for no reason. Refusing to produce ID just because some officers asks you to is perfectly legal.
How about casing the place for a break in. insulating to the suspect. What does some who casing a place look like some one who sits and watches building. Looks up and back down make note. I bet that is what person looked like to the cop.
How about this for a reason... You look like a loser with that wanna be beard goatee, and a general troublemaker. Show me your ID before we pull a Rodney King beatdown on you.
california law is that when operating a motor vehicle you must have a valid drivers license, registration for the vehicle and proof of insurance for that vehicle. the cop is totally in the right by asking him to prove that he is allowed to operate a motor vehicle. would you want to be involved in an incident where the other party has no license? i like to see that this cop is doing his job and keeping the road safe. you want to see cops acting inappropriately? look up Oscar Grant
If they detain you for more than a minute, that is an arrest.You need no handcuff's or anything else.You were detained for more than a minute for no reason, that's false arrest! Know your rights! Most people think you're just being a smart ass.But unless people remind those thugs, they will go further and further. You did the right thing.Don't show them shit without probable cause for approaching you like that. Most cops don't care or know about the laws of our country.They're thugs! Dumb shits!
@KlingonSpider - the point was the cop just randomly asked him for a driver's license, when the guy was doing absolutely nothing illegal.
But the other cop didn't have a right to point that light around in his car, he was almost searching around and that violates the guy's fourth amendment, just throwing that out there.
@JusAnotherStoner not a violation of the fourth amendment. the cop is allowed to do a quick sweep for his or her own safety, that does not mean that he or she can actively search the vehicle but they can look for anything that could be in "plain sight, plain smell" and gives them probable cause to search the vehicle. also the fact the the driver admitted he had a license on him but refused to produce it, which is required by cali law to operate a vehicle, gives the cops probable cause
1.) You are sitting in a motor vehicle "with the engine on" while in the "driver's seat" in public - You need a drivers license for that dude.
2.) The officer asked you and I quote "Are you planning on driving this away" You responded with "Yeah" - You just confirmed to the cop that you were going to operate the vehicle, thus a valid driver's license from the DMV is required.
If you weren't in a car, he needs a reason to ask.
if u had nothing to hide then show em you id u dummy, they r lookin for people driving home from the bars, its a college town for fucks sake! us as locals gotta deal with this shit on a regular basis.
What a boring life you must have to set people up! I hope someday you need their help, but they don't respond for fear of being set up by a coward such as yourself.
Well the reason they contacted you is because you are a suspicious person. You may not think you were but thats where police find people doing things wrong. Its suspicious just sitting there in the dark. If you were a truly honest and good citizen you would be complying with the officer.They would have ran your name, made sure you were clear and it was over. But in your case you thought you would be a smart ass. Grow up!! The reason cops can be jerks is because they deal with idiots like u daily
@s1ccorry go read the law and the definition continues to read "must have reasonable suspicion that a crime is in the act of or has been committed" Not just suspicion of "doing something wrong". There must be clear evidence that a CRIME has occurred for an officer to legaly detain (which is a form of arrest) or full on arrest you. I guess you enjoy living in a world where your "equal" can demand papers for no other reason than his own assumed prerogative.
@MastoJay as he should be, their job is to stop crime when it is occurring. What crime what happening when he was sitting in his car? his reason for use of police resource is completely valid, while this was a tremendous waste of time. As he said he was there for upwards of 30 minutes with multiple squad cars and officers at the scene. Talk about a waste of money!
DesertFalcon - You are wrong. The police need a lawful reason to demand ID even when operating a motor vehicle. There has to be some reasonsable suspicion that a law was broken.
Demanding ID simply because a citizen is operating a motor vehicle is NOT LEGAL.
If you are in a motor vehicle and it is reasonable to assume you have or are, going to operate it, then you are required under every state's laws to show drivers licence, registration and proof of insurance upon request by a police officer. You do not have to be moving. You do not have to have broken any law. You can be sitting at a parking meter with the engine off and a cop is still allowed to request those documents. Operating a motor vehicle is not a "right".
@desertfalcon: Well, not just 'on request'. At time tic 2:10 on, the officer admitted that he did not have reasonable suspicion to initiate the stop.
CVS 12951: "(b) The driver of a motor vehicle shall present his or her license for examination upon demand of a peace officer enforcing the provisions of this code."
and
CVS 14607.6: "(b) A peace officer shall not stop a vehicle for the sole reason of determining whether the driver is properly licensed."
"The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horse-drawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135
It seems that traveling in my automobile IS a right......
I had a similer situation at a DWI checkpoint except it was that I didn't want to answer questions. Because of that, I was taken out and detained and another officer got in my vehicle and searched a closed container and removed my gun from it. Its obvious I was stopped and then investigated for a crime simply because I was driving and not other reason. Click on my acct and check out my 4 part video of it.
you have to have a license to operate a motor vehicle in California. your car was running. You are just looking for trouble. Why would you waste my taxpayer dollars dorking with these cops? You were just being a punk.
@dana8asb Maybe your tax dollars are going torwards Cops approaching people parked in a parking lot for no apparently good reason instead of out catching real criminals instead. That sounds equally like a good waste of tax payer dollars dont you think?
@dana8asb why are you allowing and encouraging these lawmen to waste your tax dollars for no lawful reason? The problem isn't with the young man who was being investigated out of thin air. The problem is with the nosey agents of the system that is so interested in sticking their noses into the treads of our underwear.
@dana8asb The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horse-drawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135
Your taxpayer dollars were being misused by the officer, your kidding right? You really want you tax dollars going to
@dana8asb the enforcement of making sure everyone hanging out in their cars is properly licensed? You don't think he could have been looking for DUI's or something? Maybe patrolling to keep a presence in the streets and limit break ins. Hell i could think of tons of things that would have been a much better investment than this 30 min circus.
The people who said hes legally obligated to show ID are a bunch of complete fucking morons because he never did show his ID and look what happened, a whole bunch of NOTHING lmao!
@MiClLC yep, it would suck to be tased but it would be great to get paid the thousands of dollars that tasing would cost them. Me, I prefer to be beaten with a nightstick by an unlawful officer. I could take a bludgeoning much better than electrocution.
LOL ur a moron ur operating a VEHICLE u dumb shit you need to show your drivers license to prove you have a drivers license. Wow You defenetly don't have a clue about your rights.
@WhatsAfterThisPlace He OBVIOUSLY didnt need to show his ID because he never did you fucking retard lmao! Its you who definately doesnt have a clue about your rights. Ive been pulled over in the state of Pennsylvania without my drivers liscence and it was never a problem. You just tell them your name and they look it up on their computer. Dumbshit.
You jackass if you are operating a vehicle California law- you have to show I.D. if the police asks............. They dont have the right to ask for I.D. id your walking on the street and not being suspicious.
Ever heard of graveyard shifts? Being as over 30 million americans work between the hours of 11 pm an 7 am doesnt that mean we should start requesting all ID's at ALL times?
Uh...you guys are retarded. First of all, the police--ANYWHERE in the US can demand to see your identification. It's the law. Second, nearly ALL campus police have police powers while on the campus/property of wherever they're working. Instead of trying to be a dick, how about just obeying the law/rules?
"First of all, the police--ANYWHERE in the US can demand to see your identification."
They can demand all they want. I don't have to show them a thing.
I do have to tell them my name and maybe a few other bits, but only if they have reasonable suspicion and are actively investigating a crime. I can state it verbally.
@VastFlux In Pennsylvania, as well as other states, you are in no way, shape, or form, obligated to show the Police your ID. You dont know shit, your a fucking clown who only makes assumptions about the law without doing any homework what so ever.
You are a dildo....That was campus police, equal to security guards..Good luck when you interact with real police..You better have an ID and readily available..
that's pretty stupid, if you would have just shown your ID you could have avoided the whole conflict with the cops...assuming you were not guilty of anything,
what reason do you have to not show them? unless you're guilty of something then stop don't be a pussy, thinking you're "standing up for your rights" it won't change the way the world works.
What reason do they have to ask? It is NOT required by law to show ID merely because an officer asks you. Innocent until proven guilty, by the officers actions he is ASSUMING guilt by asking for ID. Yes we can change the way it works being as WE the PEOPLE are the ones who allow or disallow rules and laws.
If you just sit back and let them do what they will, then why have a vote? Why practice democracy?
Sure it would EASIER to just give them the ID, but EASY isn't what our constition is
Its obvious your an obedient little sheep. And little sheep ALWAYS get lead to slaughter. Keep allowing yourself to get trampled on dipshit. I on the other hand prefer to keep my rights.
Maybe in some facist /Mao-ist country... he just DIDN'T show ID and what happened.
- Know Your Gun Laws, Know Your Penal Code...
PS: You were polite to that cop... look up some of these a## holes who tell um where to put that night stick.. thats what'll get ya a few in the county (rightfully so)
this really wasn't a huge deal. the cops were just trying to be proactive. they saw a man on a computer in a car at night and thought, gee i wonder what this guy is doing. no everyday citizen sits in the car at night on a computer. if they didnt check to see who you were they wouldnt be doing their job.
I agree, police should check out situations. But checking a scene, and demanding ID is an entirely different matter. I too live in Chico, and I have personally seen blatant disregard for law here, and I am talking about the police.
ur crazy! u HAVE to give ur id when the police ask for it. but u did treat that cop...he shoulda got tuff on ur ass.and he was stupid for allowing u to record the stop. AND they didnt make u get off the phone!!!??? gaaadamnt!!! dude...try that shit in a real city....lol...u would get hammered.
These nazi checkpoints in America are to stop and show your "papers". America is not free....America is a huge police state and it's going to get worse. Americans better wake up soon....real soon!
What a freaking moron. He wasted time and resources on trying to prove a point. How many idiots sit in their car on the computer doing "research" in the early morning hours? Try that in the south boy and your butt would have been hauled to jail. California cops were to "nice'.
The reason to refuse police *requests* for ID is to refuse to give your name, etc. Why did Jones give his name and address, and even offer his SSN, yet withhold his driver's license? There's no point by then. Also, he told the officer, while sitting in a car with the engine running, that he intended to drive. Driving requires a valid license. Jones therefore handed the officer a valid reason to demand his license. Counterproductive, at best.
All you brainwashed GITS bashing this guy for upholding his rights are a bunch of retards. No.. There is NO reason to walk around the United States with papers or ID or anything of the sort if you are not commiting any wrong doing. The only time you must show ID is if there is probable cause to believe you have broken a law. Otherwise NO ONE is required to prove who they are. THIS IS NOT NAZI GERMANY CIRCA 41 for crying out loud!
I have actually not found any state where you must show ID even if there is probable cause to believe you have broken a law, except for drivers of vehicles.
For example, Nevada has a state law requiring a person to "identify themselves" if the officer has a reasonable and articulable suspicion they are involved in a crime.
In California, you do not even have to show ID if you are arrested. Again, you just have to "identify" youself, such as by giving them your right thumbprint.
@Seetherr you dont seem to understand that anyone who is operating a motor vehicle in the state of california must have a valid drivers license. how is the cop supposed to prove that he is operating the vehicle legally if he wont show his license? the cop even tells him that he needs to see the license because the name that was given did not match any driving record. he is breaking the law by not having proof a valid license, the cop is being nice. he could be arrested and his car impounded
@baybossadabildin but what was his original reason for requesting ID? im from san diego and our cops are really chill down here so i dont really know, but im pretty sure cops dont just walk around checking people for warrants...
It is extremely important to note the limits of police action. Your rights are your rights, regardless of how "small" they may appear. And the police do have the right to "ask" you for ID, but they do not have the right to "demand" it of you.
If you felt like it was a consensual encounter and just refused to show ID and drove away, knowing you had done nothing wrong, THEN they would need probable cause to pull you over. Was this was a scam? Was it your intention to get a video that would prove whatever point it is that you're trying to make?
The officer is within his rights to ask for identification. The driver was within his rights to refuse. The question here is, was this a detention or a consensual encounter? I did not see any evidence that the officer was doing anything other than trying to persuade the driver to let him see some I.D. The question is, driver, did you feel like you could at any time just drive away? If so, it's a consensual encounter and your "win" is a moot point.
This police action is illegal, according both to the Fourth Amendment and to precedent case law. This police officer has no idea that he is absolutely violating your rights. Because he had no probable cause, according to Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court (2004), he has no right to ask you for any form of identification. Once you gave it to him, though, and he found probable cause that you have had a warrant, it becomes a different issue, though it was originally outrageously illegal.
"Consider your source. You're aware (Jones is) a political activist, and he informed us he was a Constitutionalist," Hansen said. "Constitutionalists have an ax to grind with government, and they see police as an extension of government in which they don't recognize their authority, because they think their authority is the Constitution."
WRONG. IDIOT. THE CONSTITUTION IS THE SOVEREIGN LAW OF THE LAND. ALSO YES, WE DO HAVE AN AX TO GRIND AND WE'RE ABOUT TO GRIND IT ALL OVER YOUR STUPID FACE.
You shouldn't have registered your car with the state. Only COMMERCIAL VEHICLES are required to register. Read the fucking state vehicle code. For california it's section 260 a &b. a states that only commercial veh. are required to be registered (which then also means you need to put plates on your car AND get a license). sec. b. CLEARLY states, passenger vehicles and motor homes ARE NOT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. Hence no registration, no plates, no license required. I practice what I preach.
Absolutely. I was just extending things further because most people think they actually NEED to have a license, license plates, and are REQUIRED to register, which just ain't the case. But thieving agencies won't tell you that it's voluntary to register a passenger vehicle, and of course if you do then you are subject to the contractual obligations that you sign on to in the process...
Well, officers CAN demand a valid driver's license just because they want to.
You are not breaking the law by refusing to show them your driver's license, unless you are operating your vehicle and they have a legitimate reason to detain you (such as at a legal checkpoint, or if they have a reasonable and articulable suspicion you are involved in criminal activity).
Good point. I think I could make a simple change to my statement to get it to work right:
A person does not have to produce a valid drivers' license to a law enforcement officer just because he asks for it. The officer must first have a legitimate reason or reasonable suspicion.
It looks like Forthoffer is correct then. Oofficers may require a valid driver's license, but only for drivers and only when enforcing code provisions. But they can't demand it just "on request".
pafoofnik1, i was referencing VC 12951, but on further review, it looks like that only applies to drivers operating a vehicle on a highway (I am not a lawyer, dont take my advice!)
This is the third time I am trying to reply, but previous posts dont seem to work. I am trying again without the hyperlink...
cops were right, you were operating the vehicle. california state law requires an operator of a motor vehicle to produce a drivers license on request of any peace officer.
"california state law requires an operator of a motor vehicle to produce a drivers license on request of any peace officer. "
Please cite this law.
In an earlier comment,
DavidForthoffer said that "California does not have a stop-and-ID law. Kolender v. Lawson" and "how ID on demand, but only for legal traffic stops or checkpoints. This was neither."
Also, Hiibel says different.
Are you saying this isn't true? If so, then please cite your sources.
It's not fucking true. The only persons required to have a license are those who are registered. The only persons required to register are COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. California vehicle code, sec. 260 a & b. A states who is required to be registered and b indicates that passenger vehicles ARE NOT. Therefore, no registration, no license, and no license plates are required for passenger vehicles OR house cars. Go look it up. The bulk of the code applies to commerce vehicles.
cops will still harass you even if you are following the law. they are not lawyers. they only do as the lawyer SOBs train them to do. Those lawyers need to be hanged. Just about every fucking individual who uses a car has registered their cars when ONLY COMMERCIAL VEHICLES (for the transport of people or goods for money) are EXPLICITLY required to do so veh. code 260a
A sign of the times in Chico and elsewhere.Last night I witnessed an inhebriated college girl in handcuffs get put in the back seat of a patrol unit ,upon doing so she kicked the officer and stood up in the officers face yelling. Without hesitation the officer punched her in the face just like you would see in a college bar brawl.The sound of the punch was easily heard from across the street.I for one was taken back but tried to justify what the officer was going through at the time.
You're probably the same people that scream the police don't prevent crime, they just go after the criminals after a crime is committed. Well those cops were taking a proactive approach. If he was completely innocent, and didn't have such an attitude and just shown the cops his drivers license, and told them what he was doing, they probably would have left him alone in minutes. Of course then he wouldn't have had his 5 minutes of fame on U Tube screaming look how bad the police are.
Cops are LEGALLY allowed to LIE to you in order to get you to comply.
KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.
Go to "Flex Your Right" and educate yourself!
angryamerican 2 weeks ago
Honestly that cop is way more mellow than the cops around where I live. I'm pretty sure I would have been asked to leave my vehicle and handcuffed while my car was searched. Sure he had no right to do that but does it really matter.
UserName89 3 weeks ago
Big win for the little guy.
N1k1mon 3 weeks ago
Just image tht u were pulled over and officers are looking for someone tht looks like u (whatever call goes out such as White male or Hispanic and whatever age) and u tell them u can from the same area and u didn't even know it. This is a prime example why u should shut your mouth as soon as u encounter police.
mnoguera13 1 month ago
Please stop being ignorant. There is no one with a BA, MBA or law degree in criminal justice tht will tell u to cooperate with police. Never speak. If they ask where u are coming from, say over there. If asked where u are going, say just driving and not sure where I want to drive to yet
mnoguera13 1 month ago
sorry but you are crazy. if you just showed him your ID then you wouldnt have a problem. what if there was a suspect on the loose and they just wanted to clear you? you were making yourself look guilty...smh
CheetahXtravaganza 1 month ago
And furthermore, you have absolutely no clue what officers go through everyday. They've sworn to protect YOU from the burglars, the robbers, the parolees, and the garbage that walks the streets each and everyday. They protect you while spending time away from their families and loved ones. They don't always get to be there for soccer games and Christmases. You need to think twice before you preach about something you've been taught by someone that had no experience working in law enforcement.
22JThompson 1 month ago
You are an idiot. You have rights and RESPONSIBILITIES, too. Get out of the United States you liberal idiot. You have NO IDEA what you're actually preaching about. Go to a socialist country (that of which you stand for and don't actually realize it) and try this crap that you pulled when Officer Swithenbank asked for your ID. Who do you call when your house is broken into, again? Or how about when you're approached by a robber on a poorly lighted street?
22JThompson 1 month ago
@22JThompson: Apples and orange comparison.
Socialist countries have different laws then representative republics like the United States/ For example, officers do not have the authority to compel people to answer investigatory questions on demand.
Pafoofnik1 1 month ago
@Pafoofnik1 If there's a potential threat then yes, yes they do. Get the "corrupt cops" thinking out of your head and look at it from the perspective of what he is truly trying to do. You have been brainwashed by your professors who have no law enforcement experience.
22JThompson 1 month ago
@22JThompson: You are correct, now that you changed the parameters of this subject.
I said officers do not have the authority to compel people to answer investigatory questions on demand. This is still a true statement.
Pafoofnik1 1 month ago
Now that's just awesome haha. Thumbs up to you for standing up for your rights.
Campus Security at Citrus College Glendora California can be a real hassle as well.
SagaraSouske 1 month ago
Traveling is a right, driving is a privilege, its all in the words
TheBarerOfBadNews 1 month ago
Some of these comments are in denial, its as simple as this, if what he was doing was against the law he would have been given a ticket or arrested, did either occur? Its right on camera in front of your face and you still don't believe?, wow
TheBarerOfBadNews 2 months ago
@TheBarerOfBadNews they never will they are likely cops
teeswatertom 1 month ago
ok i understand why you were doing this but if you give them your name and everything else why didn't you just give him your id? if your gunna do this don't tell them anything!
nicktime29 2 months ago
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SummerInJuly 2 months ago
when they ask for ID ask them for their badge number and if they dont give it to you then dont give them any personal info on you self it is you right not to give them information about yourself
DROIDJR 3 months ago
so by this cops reasoning, he could just pull anyone over and demand their ID, and he doesnt need to have a reason other than their in the drivers seat and the engine is running. I </3 when police misuse their authority
obamasucksdick99 3 months ago
i know this officer, he is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. He wasnt being a dick, his job is to keep the campus safe and see who sitting in their parking lot.
whosyanig 6 months ago
@whosyanig Bull! When will you people learn that there has been a campaign of terror set upon citizens? If I decide to have a break in my own car at my city college I will without the interference and intimidation of some blue suited ego inflated security guard!
lumeriam 4 months ago
@lumeriam Although this officer handled the situation pretty well without being too much of an ass. I agree with you that everyone should have their own privacy to sit in their damn car without being annoyed by someone asking for you ID.
SagaraSouske 1 month ago
@whosyanig how does that change the truth
teeswatertom 1 month ago
that was ace haha
ibez07 6 months ago
yeah they're very liberal, liberal at handing out tickets. good thing you had the camera.
TheNewMusicNetwork 6 months ago
You don't actually have to show id, it has to be a lawful order and if you don't have it, you don't have to show it, because as long as you're not doing commerce you can freely travel.
TheNewMusicNetwork 6 months ago 3
Police are just gang members with badges.
TheNewMusicNetwork 6 months ago 6
Dumb Ass LOSER
JAYDEE44 7 months ago
@JAYDEE44 you are, i agree.
TheNewMusicNetwork 6 months ago
Of course, I hope you do know those officers simply let you go, likely deciding anyone so silly was probably harmless.
California Vehicle Code §12951 (a) The licensee shall have the valid driver's license issued to him or her in his or her immediate possession at all times when driving a motor vehicle upon a highway. (b) The driver of a motor vehicle shall present his or her license for examination upon demand of a peace officer enforcing the provisions of this code.
stewartx5 9 months ago
@stewartx5 said: "...enforcing the provisions of this code."
What code was he enforcing that concerns someone that is sitting "in his parked car"?
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 '.. What code was he enforcing ..'
Well, the obvious answer is that part of §12951 (above) saying he will have a drivers license in his possession at all times when driving. Yes, that's a provision of the code as well. And, yes, he did say he was driving.
stewartx5 8 months ago
@stewartx5: You forgot to quote the part of the code that disagrees with your opinion: "...all times when driving a motor vehicle UPON A HIGHWAY."
Read the description of the video: "...he sat in his parked car". He said he was driving? Where? Doesn't matter as it's hearsay unless observed.
So we both agree that the driver does not have to present a license unless a "peace officer (is) enforcing the provisions of this code".
What part of the code was the officer enforcing again?
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 '.. You forgot to quote ..'
Hogwash. I provided the full text copied directly from the California Vehicle Code.
'.. He said he was driving? Where? ..'
At 1:40. The officer says, "Your engine is running. You're in the drivers seat. Are you planning on driving this away?" He answers, "Yeh." With that, §12951 fully applies.
stewartx5 8 months ago
@stewartx5: You sure did provide the full text... in one of your comments, but not the one I responded to.
You are correct, once the driver starts driving, then §12951 can come into effect, if the officer wants to enforce a provision of the code.
Of course, jnone of that had happened yet in this video.
So, again, what part of the code was the officer enforcing?
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago
@Pafoofnik1
Buddy, you're trying to split hairs, but no court (or sane person) would accept your absurdly narrow interpretation. He was behind the wheel of a vehicle on property which did not belong to him, with the key in the ignition and the engine running. That's operating a motor vehicle. He operated a motor vehicle to get there and intended to operate a motor vehicle to leave. The officer had ample grounds to ask for his drivers license. Enough of this nonsense. Bye.
stewartx5 8 months ago
@stewartx5: OK. So you won't be telling us what part of the code the officer was enforcing.
See you.
Pafoofnik1 8 months ago 2
@stewartx5 The police must have probable that a crime has been commited or about to be. By the way the 4th amendment trumps any state law or code.
233yvan 2 months ago
@233yvan
Not true. Under our Constitution, the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution and it's amendments. According to the Supreme Court ruling in 1968 Terry v. Ohio, only "reasonable suspicion," not probable cause or evidence of a crime, is required to stop, frisk, ID, and/or question an individual. Further, as a condition of driving privileges, state laws require the possession of a drivers license while operating a vehicle and presentation of that license upon demand.
stewartx5 1 month ago
@stewartx5 The constitution does not need to be interpreted by any one including the supreme court that is how we loose our right. The constitution trumps any court or state law, it is in plain english, you must have probable cause according to 4th amendment, reasonable suspicion is not enought.
By the way a privilege can be taken away any time for no reason a driver license cannot be taken away for no reason therefore is a right not a privilege. Thank;s
233yvan 1 month ago
@233yvan
You're living in pure fantasy land. Again, the Supreme Court, under it's Constitutional mandate, decided the issue of reasonable suspicion versus probable cause (regarding stops, frisks, questioning, etc) in 1968 during Terry v. Ohio. Therefore, it's the law of this land (nation), whether you like it or not. And, of course, a drivers license is granted (or not granted) by the state (after testing, etc), not something you're born with, so is obviously not a right.
stewartx5 1 month ago
@stewartx5 This is an untrue statement. Driving is a right. We as a nation have decided that driving on certain public roads require the possession of a license indicating proficiency in controlling the vehicle you use.
Possession of this license is a right, once the holder satisfies the criteria for the license. The license cannot be rescinded without just cause.
Pafoofnik1 1 month ago
don't you need to be a legally licensed driver in order to operate a motor vehicle?
so if you're in the driver's seat, with the engine on, and admit to driving the car... can't they check to see that you have a valid license, i.e. you have to show them your ID?
I would think that's the reason right there, without even getting into the fact that you basically gave them every piece of info on an ID, but refused to show them the actual card, which shows you just wanted to be a dickhead
viper3183 9 months ago
@viper3183 said: "don't you need to be a legally licensed driver in order to operate a motor vehicle?"
Nope, unless you're on, say, a public highway and operating a vehicle that needs a license to operate on that road. I live in a area with private roads. My daughter was driving all over this area before she got her license.
I can drive my tractor to Hellenbach, no license needed.
Pafoofnik1 9 months ago
@Pafoofnik1
didn't know that about the private roads.
but Im pretty sure he was on a public road, in a registered (and therefore needing a license) automobile
viper3183 9 months ago
@viper3183: Yep. However the officer probably did not have to authority to demand a license. I think that almost every state requires that an officer have reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot before he can demand a person ID himself. The Supreme Court itself concurred when it decided just that in the case known as "Hiibel"
Pafoofnik1 9 months ago
what a huge tool
hippie fags frontin instead of doing something worthwhile
preludeofwrath 9 months ago
way to GO!!!!! haha y7o utell them CopO's!!! haha
bumblebee4me22 9 months ago
what a moron... I didn't watch to the end but I hope you ended up with a ticket or worse for your ignorant argument that you shouldn't have to show a police officer your license.
Candera 10 months ago
You were placed under arrest illegaly per judgements of Appeal Courts in the US and you didn't know it. The two cops broke the law and stepped on your civil rights. That is a crime under the US Constitution. You need to be prepared and know the law so you can defend yourself. This is not taught in school for a reason. They want a dumb downed population so they can manipulate you illegaly without your kowledge. The cops drove away because they knew they had dishonored their uniforms.
xmenrus 10 months ago
this is funny I like how he is actually having a good time lol
cmazzac 10 months ago
Sorry dude, if you are behind the wheel of a car weather driving or not , a police officer in the state of ca can and will ask for ID. it's California law but I don't remember the vehicle code section. It's in weighting on the back side of ca registration card
truckindawg1 11 months ago
@truckindawg1: Well... they can 'ask'. That doesn't mean they can require.
"(b) The driver of a motor vehicle shall present his or her license for examination upon demand of a peace officer enforcing the provisions of this code. " V C Section 12951 Possession of License.
Pafoofnik1 11 months ago 2
@Pafoofnik1
You are only required to show your ID if you are accused of a crime or if you are under arrest.
The police can NOT just ask for your ID in order to run your ID for warrants.
If you are obeying the law and not committing a crime the police can REQUEST to see your ID, but they can NOT demand to see your ID.
This guy knew his rights and the cops knew it.
angryamerican 4 weeks ago 8
@angryamerican: Correct, you are essentially re-stating what I said. My comment: "enforcing the provisions of this code." equates to your "accused of a crime".
Not investigating criminal activity, but want my ID there officer? Go pound sand.
Pafoofnik1 4 weeks ago
@angryamerican my buddy and i where stopped in tn i was driving we both where told to get out of my car ,officer asked me for my DL i showed it to him then he ask my buddy for his id my buddy asks why?officer says i want it that's why my buddy asks why again. that's when all hell broke out cops threw both us on the ground and beat my buddy almost to death i just got a busted mouth and stitches in my head my buddy was in the hospital for two weeks.our crime was he asks why did they need his id .
maverick10241 2 weeks ago
@maverick10241
That's why you should get a cell phone with a video camera. Immediately but RESPECTFULLY tell the cop "Officer you are being audio and video recorded."
You need to learn your RIGHTS and how to talk to a cop like you KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.
Go to the You Tube Channel "Flex Your Rights" and educate yourself to avoid this situation in the future.
By the way you should SUE the cop and the police department for a violation of your CIVIL LIBERTIES. Get a good lawyer.
angryamerican 2 weeks ago
If you were there simply for the WiFi or to pick someone up, all you have to do is tell that to the Officer, show him your license, and it would have been a done deal. I'm tired of liberal college kids that act like pseudo-lawyers. You "won" because the cop realized you were just a jackass and not drunk. They left to handle an emergency call.
CkH2704 1 year ago
You are a tool. You may go to college, but clearly you are not "educated." Let's recap: you're sitting in the driver's seat of a vehicle (with the engine idling), parked in front of bar, at closing time? That my friend, IS probable Cause for the Officer to investigate whether or not you operating that vehicle under the influence. Further, anytime you are operating a motor vehicle on a public street you may be required to show your driver's license, vehicle registration and proof of insurance.
CkH2704 1 year ago
"give me your id so we can clear it up" i guarantee that was so set up..
Chslosers 1 year ago
dude, the officer was right. By law you DO have to show that you are legally authorized to operate a motor vehicle. If you had been walking, you would have been right. And giving them your business card is no different than giving them your license. You still identified yourself.
nvechols 1 year ago
@nvechols Actually you're wrong. The supreme court struck down all state laws requiring to show ID upon demand without probable cause. That includes operating a motor vehicle. Unless there has been some crime committed, you are not compelled to show ID.
Realtomahawk07 1 year ago
Why did you give him your name? You were doing nothing wrong.
libra8a8 1 year ago
You are a dildo.....That was the University Police..A door shaker..People like you are the reason for having a Police Department in the first place..Loser....
n6umndon 1 year ago
LOVED this video. im a perspective student to csu chico and ive heard of things like this (presumably because its known as a party school) but this is ridiculous. you did an awesome job and i would have been laughing too.
pegasus619Q 1 year ago
Without reading any of the responses you got, thus far... if I were a police officer and someone was refusing to show ID, I would assume they are trying to hide something. You go through ALL that trouble showing them everything BUT your ID yet you make an issue out of them wanting to see it? In Chico, there are tons of good citizens, shitty citizens and those on parole. If you were downtown, the police are probably 10 times as likely to randomly ask you for your ID 'w/o' reason.
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Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
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@MorbidGirlie: It is not lawful to require a person to produce ID for no reason. Refusing to produce ID just because some officers asks you to is perfectly legal.
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
How about casing the place for a break in. insulating to the suspect. What does some who casing a place look like some one who sits and watches building. Looks up and back down make note. I bet that is what person looked like to the cop.
samten10a 1 year ago
How about this for a reason... You look like a loser with that wanna be beard goatee, and a general troublemaker. Show me your ID before we pull a Rodney King beatdown on you.
pokerhelper 1 year ago
california law is that when operating a motor vehicle you must have a valid drivers license, registration for the vehicle and proof of insurance for that vehicle. the cop is totally in the right by asking him to prove that he is allowed to operate a motor vehicle. would you want to be involved in an incident where the other party has no license? i like to see that this cop is doing his job and keeping the road safe. you want to see cops acting inappropriately? look up Oscar Grant
baybossadabildin 1 year ago
If they detain you for more than a minute, that is an arrest.You need no handcuff's or anything else.You were detained for more than a minute for no reason, that's false arrest! Know your rights! Most people think you're just being a smart ass.But unless people remind those thugs, they will go further and further. You did the right thing.Don't show them shit without probable cause for approaching you like that. Most cops don't care or know about the laws of our country.They're thugs! Dumb shits!
buddybleau 1 year ago
@KlingonSpider - the point was the cop just randomly asked him for a driver's license, when the guy was doing absolutely nothing illegal.
But the other cop didn't have a right to point that light around in his car, he was almost searching around and that violates the guy's fourth amendment, just throwing that out there.
JusAnotherStoner 1 year ago
@JusAnotherStoner not a violation of the fourth amendment. the cop is allowed to do a quick sweep for his or her own safety, that does not mean that he or she can actively search the vehicle but they can look for anything that could be in "plain sight, plain smell" and gives them probable cause to search the vehicle. also the fact the the driver admitted he had a license on him but refused to produce it, which is required by cali law to operate a vehicle, gives the cops probable cause
baybossadabildin 1 year ago
Look dude this cop is totally in the right.
Evidence:
1.) You are sitting in a motor vehicle "with the engine on" while in the "driver's seat" in public - You need a drivers license for that dude.
2.) The officer asked you and I quote "Are you planning on driving this away" You responded with "Yeah" - You just confirmed to the cop that you were going to operate the vehicle, thus a valid driver's license from the DMV is required.
If you weren't in a car, he needs a reason to ask.
KlingonSpider 1 year ago
if u had nothing to hide then show em you id u dummy, they r lookin for people driving home from the bars, its a college town for fucks sake! us as locals gotta deal with this shit on a regular basis.
justtbenn 1 year ago
central ohio? any opportunities for grants there?
patrickDnugZ 1 year ago
What a boring life you must have to set people up! I hope someday you need their help, but they don't respond for fear of being set up by a coward such as yourself.
csuk9 1 year ago
Well the reason they contacted you is because you are a suspicious person. You may not think you were but thats where police find people doing things wrong. Its suspicious just sitting there in the dark. If you were a truly honest and good citizen you would be complying with the officer.They would have ran your name, made sure you were clear and it was over. But in your case you thought you would be a smart ass. Grow up!! The reason cops can be jerks is because they deal with idiots like u daily
s1ccorry 1 year ago
@s1ccorry go read the law and the definition continues to read "must have reasonable suspicion that a crime is in the act of or has been committed" Not just suspicion of "doing something wrong". There must be clear evidence that a CRIME has occurred for an officer to legaly detain (which is a form of arrest) or full on arrest you. I guess you enjoy living in a world where your "equal" can demand papers for no other reason than his own assumed prerogative.
polevaultrockstr 1 year ago
You are an absolute TOOL. Cops would be the first entity you called if someone was threatening you harm. Idiot.
MastoJay 1 year ago
@MastoJay as he should be, their job is to stop crime when it is occurring. What crime what happening when he was sitting in his car? his reason for use of police resource is completely valid, while this was a tremendous waste of time. As he said he was there for upwards of 30 minutes with multiple squad cars and officers at the scene. Talk about a waste of money!
polevaultrockstr 1 year ago
wow.... kept your cool man! haha
the way he said "you win this round"... i'm serious, some officers just like to f*** around.. but this was so funny how you got at em! good job
inoout 1 year ago
DesertFalcon - You are wrong. The police need a lawful reason to demand ID even when operating a motor vehicle. There has to be some reasonsable suspicion that a law was broken.
Demanding ID simply because a citizen is operating a motor vehicle is NOT LEGAL.
Katoosha2006 1 year ago
Sweet! you won! I thought you were great!
duxnbux13 1 year ago
If you are in a motor vehicle and it is reasonable to assume you have or are, going to operate it, then you are required under every state's laws to show drivers licence, registration and proof of insurance upon request by a police officer. You do not have to be moving. You do not have to have broken any law. You can be sitting at a parking meter with the engine off and a cop is still allowed to request those documents. Operating a motor vehicle is not a "right".
desertfalcon 1 year ago
@desertfalcon: Well, not just 'on request'. At time tic 2:10 on, the officer admitted that he did not have reasonable suspicion to initiate the stop.
CVS 12951: "(b) The driver of a motor vehicle shall present his or her license for examination upon demand of a peace officer enforcing the provisions of this code."
and
CVS 14607.6: "(b) A peace officer shall not stop a vehicle for the sole reason of determining whether the driver is properly licensed."
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
@Pafoofnik1
Good enough.
desertfalcon 1 year ago
"The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horse-drawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135
It seems that traveling in my automobile IS a right......
polevaultrockstr 1 year ago
I had a similer situation at a DWI checkpoint except it was that I didn't want to answer questions. Because of that, I was taken out and detained and another officer got in my vehicle and searched a closed container and removed my gun from it. Its obvious I was stopped and then investigated for a crime simply because I was driving and not other reason. Click on my acct and check out my 4 part video of it.
MKrip808 1 year ago
I went to Chico State, thats Officer Mike, he is really cool. one of the nicest and most approachable cops i have met.
razilla1 1 year ago
LOL I see your point bro. But man your a ball buster!!! lolololol
BRAVAVICTA 1 year ago
you have to have a license to operate a motor vehicle in California. your car was running. You are just looking for trouble. Why would you waste my taxpayer dollars dorking with these cops? You were just being a punk.
dana8asb 1 year ago
@dana8asb Maybe your tax dollars are going torwards Cops approaching people parked in a parking lot for no apparently good reason instead of out catching real criminals instead. That sounds equally like a good waste of tax payer dollars dont you think?
MiClLC 1 year ago
@dana8asb why are you allowing and encouraging these lawmen to waste your tax dollars for no lawful reason? The problem isn't with the young man who was being investigated out of thin air. The problem is with the nosey agents of the system that is so interested in sticking their noses into the treads of our underwear.
MKrip808 1 year ago
@dana8asb The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horse-drawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135
Your taxpayer dollars were being misused by the officer, your kidding right? You really want you tax dollars going to
polevaultrockstr 1 year ago
@dana8asb the enforcement of making sure everyone hanging out in their cars is properly licensed? You don't think he could have been looking for DUI's or something? Maybe patrolling to keep a presence in the streets and limit break ins. Hell i could think of tons of things that would have been a much better investment than this 30 min circus.
polevaultrockstr 1 year ago
The people who said hes legally obligated to show ID are a bunch of complete fucking morons because he never did show his ID and look what happened, a whole bunch of NOTHING lmao!
MiClLC 1 year ago
They're not Police, they're the Gestapo.
MiClLC 1 year ago
good thing this is a " friendly " officer, lol
CoolOrb 1 year ago
@CoolOrb No doubt dude, if he was one of the unfriendly type he woulda been cuffed and tased at the 2 minute mark lmao!
MiClLC 1 year ago
@MiClLC yep, it would suck to be tased but it would be great to get paid the thousands of dollars that tasing would cost them. Me, I prefer to be beaten with a nightstick by an unlawful officer. I could take a bludgeoning much better than electrocution.
MKrip808 1 year ago
LOL ur a moron ur operating a VEHICLE u dumb shit you need to show your drivers license to prove you have a drivers license. Wow You defenetly don't have a clue about your rights.
WhatsAfterThisPlace 1 year ago
@WhatsAfterThisPlace: "...ur operating a VEHICLE ..."
He wasn't operating a vehicle. Read the description.
While you're reading, be sure to read my other comment just a couple of comments before yours...
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
@WhatsAfterThisPlace He OBVIOUSLY didnt need to show his ID because he never did you fucking retard lmao! Its you who definately doesnt have a clue about your rights. Ive been pulled over in the state of Pennsylvania without my drivers liscence and it was never a problem. You just tell them your name and they look it up on their computer. Dumbshit.
MiClLC 1 year ago
You jackass if you are operating a vehicle California law- you have to show I.D. if the police asks............. They dont have the right to ask for I.D. id your walking on the street and not being suspicious.
Krazykilla 1 year ago
@Krazykilla: "You jackass if you are operating a vehicle California law- you have to show I.D. if the police asks"
Only if the officer is "enforcing the provisions of this [Vehicle] code." (Source: VC 12951)
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
Also, using WIFI from a nearby residence is illegal in California so you were actually violating the law.
JENNIFER3565 1 year ago
You want opinions? You're a huge jackass that was probably over indulged as a child and breastfed too long.
JENNIFER3565 1 year ago
How is sitting in your car suspicious?
Ever heard of graveyard shifts? Being as over 30 million americans work between the hours of 11 pm an 7 am doesnt that mean we should start requesting all ID's at ALL times?
punjedi 1 year ago
CSUC police are a bunch of amateurs.
They tazed my friend when he was already handcuffed, and took him to jail for drunk in public, and when he got to Oroville he blew a .01.
He could have owned them in court but he did not want to have to pay for a lawyer.
Also, it is not a crime to operate a car, therefore he does NOT have the right to see ID.
poopstreek 1 year ago
Uh...you guys are retarded. First of all, the police--ANYWHERE in the US can demand to see your identification. It's the law. Second, nearly ALL campus police have police powers while on the campus/property of wherever they're working. Instead of trying to be a dick, how about just obeying the law/rules?
VastFlux 1 year ago
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"First of all, the police--ANYWHERE in the US can demand to see your identification."
They can demand all they want. I don't have to show them a thing.
I do have to tell them my name and maybe a few other bits, but only if they have reasonable suspicion and are actively investigating a crime. I can state it verbally.
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago 5
People like this watching out for our rights, do obey the laws/rules. The laws/ rules of THE CONSTITUTION.
It is NOT a crime to sit in a car, therefor the cop does NOT have the authority to demand ID.
The cops do not have the right to run around asking people to show papers, did you not learn anything in history class?
poopstreek 1 year ago
@VastFlux In Pennsylvania, as well as other states, you are in no way, shape, or form, obligated to show the Police your ID. You dont know shit, your a fucking clown who only makes assumptions about the law without doing any homework what so ever.
MiClLC 1 year ago
You are a dildo....That was campus police, equal to security guards..Good luck when you interact with real police..You better have an ID and readily available..
n6umndon 1 year ago
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"You better have an ID and readily available.. "
No problem, as long as the police have reasonable suspicion that I have or am committing a crime.
Oh, and I'll be giving it verbally, no need to show them any paperwork..
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago 4
@n6
The CSUC cops do have full police authority.
poopstreek 1 year ago
that's pretty stupid, if you would have just shown your ID you could have avoided the whole conflict with the cops...assuming you were not guilty of anything,
icestorm0806 1 year ago
yeah just sit back and do whatever the blue tells ya eh? Good way to stand up for your rights.
punjedi 1 year ago
what reason do you have to not show them? unless you're guilty of something then stop don't be a pussy, thinking you're "standing up for your rights" it won't change the way the world works.
icestorm0806 1 year ago
What reason do they have to ask? It is NOT required by law to show ID merely because an officer asks you. Innocent until proven guilty, by the officers actions he is ASSUMING guilt by asking for ID. Yes we can change the way it works being as WE the PEOPLE are the ones who allow or disallow rules and laws.
If you just sit back and let them do what they will, then why have a vote? Why practice democracy?
Sure it would EASIER to just give them the ID, but EASY isn't what our constition is
punjedi 1 year ago
protesters never get their way.. certainly not as dumb as the guy in this video sounded.
icestorm0806 1 year ago
Ok, now THAT I can agree with :)
punjedi 1 year ago
lol
icestorm0806 1 year ago
Its obvious your an obedient little sheep. And little sheep ALWAYS get lead to slaughter. Keep allowing yourself to get trampled on dipshit. I on the other hand prefer to keep my rights.
MiClLC 1 year ago
your a fucking idiot you have to show ID upon request
fireguy2168 1 year ago
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"your a fucking idiot you have to show ID upon request "
Got a cite to the law backing up your claim?
Save yourself some time, because such a law doesn't exist.
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago 6
Maybe in some facist /Mao-ist country... he just DIDN'T show ID and what happened.
- Know Your Gun Laws, Know Your Penal Code...
PS: You were polite to that cop... look up some of these a## holes who tell um where to put that night stick.. thats what'll get ya a few in the county (rightfully so)
chrisrhudy02 1 year ago
@fireguy
You sound like a government worker, who received the benefit of a government education.
It is the 4th amendment. Do some research before telling people that they are idiots.
poopstreek 1 year ago
this really wasn't a huge deal. the cops were just trying to be proactive. they saw a man on a computer in a car at night and thought, gee i wonder what this guy is doing. no everyday citizen sits in the car at night on a computer. if they didnt check to see who you were they wouldnt be doing their job.
hbcrazyman 2 years ago
I agree, police should check out situations. But checking a scene, and demanding ID is an entirely different matter. I too live in Chico, and I have personally seen blatant disregard for law here, and I am talking about the police.
punjedi 1 year ago
ur crazy! u HAVE to give ur id when the police ask for it. but u did treat that cop...he shoulda got tuff on ur ass.and he was stupid for allowing u to record the stop. AND they didnt make u get off the phone!!!??? gaaadamnt!!! dude...try that shit in a real city....lol...u would get hammered.
facimadi 2 years ago
"u HAVE to give ur id when the police ask for it."
A person cannot be compelled to produce ID just because a police officer asks for it.
Research the Supreme Court case "Hiibel" for more info.
Pafoofnik1 2 years ago 3
You have a 4th amendment right, you do not have to show your I.D. or can they search you person or property without consent..
wootorxp 2 years ago
These nazi checkpoints in America are to stop and show your "papers". America is not free....America is a huge police state and it's going to get worse. Americans better wake up soon....real soon!
1EarthCitizen 2 years ago
What a freaking moron. He wasted time and resources on trying to prove a point. How many idiots sit in their car on the computer doing "research" in the early morning hours? Try that in the south boy and your butt would have been hauled to jail. California cops were to "nice'.
basatn 2 years ago
The reason to refuse police *requests* for ID is to refuse to give your name, etc. Why did Jones give his name and address, and even offer his SSN, yet withhold his driver's license? There's no point by then. Also, he told the officer, while sitting in a car with the engine running, that he intended to drive. Driving requires a valid license. Jones therefore handed the officer a valid reason to demand his license. Counterproductive, at best.
sytby 2 years ago 2
All you brainwashed GITS bashing this guy for upholding his rights are a bunch of retards. No.. There is NO reason to walk around the United States with papers or ID or anything of the sort if you are not commiting any wrong doing. The only time you must show ID is if there is probable cause to believe you have broken a law. Otherwise NO ONE is required to prove who they are. THIS IS NOT NAZI GERMANY CIRCA 41 for crying out loud!
Seetherr 2 years ago 6
I have actually not found any state where you must show ID even if there is probable cause to believe you have broken a law, except for drivers of vehicles.
For example, Nevada has a state law requiring a person to "identify themselves" if the officer has a reasonable and articulable suspicion they are involved in a crime.
In California, you do not even have to show ID if you are arrested. Again, you just have to "identify" youself, such as by giving them your right thumbprint.
DavidForthoffer 2 years ago
@Seetherr you dont seem to understand that anyone who is operating a motor vehicle in the state of california must have a valid drivers license. how is the cop supposed to prove that he is operating the vehicle legally if he wont show his license? the cop even tells him that he needs to see the license because the name that was given did not match any driving record. he is breaking the law by not having proof a valid license, the cop is being nice. he could be arrested and his car impounded
baybossadabildin 1 year ago
@baybossadabildin but what was his original reason for requesting ID? im from san diego and our cops are really chill down here so i dont really know, but im pretty sure cops dont just walk around checking people for warrants...
pegasus619Q 1 year ago
It is extremely important to note the limits of police action. Your rights are your rights, regardless of how "small" they may appear. And the police do have the right to "ask" you for ID, but they do not have the right to "demand" it of you.
frankzappas1guitar 2 years ago
Yeah dude its 2 am and your sitting in your car!!thats suspiciouse!!!!and your pulling that .i would have tazed ur ass..you are a total ass
terrancemckenna1 2 years ago
fuck fuck fuck fuck th epolice... specifically chico pigs. fuck them with an aids dick. and this guy who did this video is stupid as hell regardless
donnygregg64 2 years ago
Just show him your fucking license and move on. It's obvious you're just trying to start some kind of controversy. Get a life.
JeffMc 2 years ago
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infospill 2 years ago
If you felt like it was a consensual encounter and just refused to show ID and drove away, knowing you had done nothing wrong, THEN they would need probable cause to pull you over. Was this was a scam? Was it your intention to get a video that would prove whatever point it is that you're trying to make?
totallackofdrama 2 years ago
You did not win anything, you merely demonstrated a limited knowledge of the law and your rights.
totallackofdrama 2 years ago
The officer is within his rights to ask for identification. The driver was within his rights to refuse. The question here is, was this a detention or a consensual encounter? I did not see any evidence that the officer was doing anything other than trying to persuade the driver to let him see some I.D. The question is, driver, did you feel like you could at any time just drive away? If so, it's a consensual encounter and your "win" is a moot point.
totallackofdrama 2 years ago
This police action is illegal, according both to the Fourth Amendment and to precedent case law. This police officer has no idea that he is absolutely violating your rights. Because he had no probable cause, according to Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court (2004), he has no right to ask you for any form of identification. Once you gave it to him, though, and he found probable cause that you have had a warrant, it becomes a different issue, though it was originally outrageously illegal.
frankzappas1guitar 2 years ago
Police ALWAYS have the right to ASK you for your identification, as confirmed in Hiibel.
The real issue is what police are allowed to do if you refuse to show it.
DavidForthoffer 2 years ago
This idiot is willing to give his SS # but won't show the proper ID for operating a motor vehicle? Dude is a douche.
It's one thing if he was just out walking.
Something people need to understand is operating a motor vehicle is NOT a right. It's a privilidge.
mi6QBranch 2 years ago
"Consider your source. You're aware (Jones is) a political activist, and he informed us he was a Constitutionalist," Hansen said. "Constitutionalists have an ax to grind with government, and they see police as an extension of government in which they don't recognize their authority, because they think their authority is the Constitution."
WRONG. IDIOT. THE CONSTITUTION IS THE SOVEREIGN LAW OF THE LAND. ALSO YES, WE DO HAVE AN AX TO GRIND AND WE'RE ABOUT TO GRIND IT ALL OVER YOUR STUPID FACE.
misterkleen 2 years ago
As you start driving while on the phone still lol
I am in Chico as well
chicoquadcore 2 years ago
You shouldn't have registered your car with the state. Only COMMERCIAL VEHICLES are required to register. Read the fucking state vehicle code. For california it's section 260 a &b. a states that only commercial veh. are required to be registered (which then also means you need to put plates on your car AND get a license). sec. b. CLEARLY states, passenger vehicles and motor homes ARE NOT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. Hence no registration, no plates, no license required. I practice what I preach.
crackahcrackah 2 years ago
I think we agree on the basic premise: Officers cannot demand a valid driver's license just because they want to.
Pafoofnik1 2 years ago
Absolutely. I was just extending things further because most people think they actually NEED to have a license, license plates, and are REQUIRED to register, which just ain't the case. But thieving agencies won't tell you that it's voluntary to register a passenger vehicle, and of course if you do then you are subject to the contractual obligations that you sign on to in the process...
crackahcrackah 2 years ago
Well, officers CAN demand a valid driver's license just because they want to.
You are not breaking the law by refusing to show them your driver's license, unless you are operating your vehicle and they have a legitimate reason to detain you (such as at a legal checkpoint, or if they have a reasonable and articulable suspicion you are involved in criminal activity).
DavidForthoffer 2 years ago
Good point. I think I could make a simple change to my statement to get it to work right:
A person does not have to produce a valid drivers' license to a law enforcement officer just because he asks for it. The officer must first have a legitimate reason or reasonable suspicion.
Pafoofnik1 2 years ago
yea hyperlink was a problem... here is VC 12951...
12951. (a) The licensee shall have the valid driver's license
issued to him or her in his or her immediate possession at all times
when driving a motor vehicle upon a highway.
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(b) The driver of a motor vehicle shall present his or her license
for examination upon demand of a peace officer enforcing the
provisions of this code.
jefftube71 2 years ago
It looks like Forthoffer is correct then. Oofficers may require a valid driver's license, but only for drivers and only when enforcing code provisions. But they can't demand it just "on request".
Pafoofnik1 2 years ago
pafoofnik1, i was referencing VC 12951, but on further review, it looks like that only applies to drivers operating a vehicle on a highway (I am not a lawyer, dont take my advice!)
This is the third time I am trying to reply, but previous posts dont seem to work. I am trying again without the hyperlink...
jefftube71 2 years ago
cops were right, you were operating the vehicle. california state law requires an operator of a motor vehicle to produce a drivers license on request of any peace officer.
jefftube71 2 years ago
"california state law requires an operator of a motor vehicle to produce a drivers license on request of any peace officer. "
Please cite this law.
In an earlier comment,
DavidForthoffer said that "California does not have a stop-and-ID law. Kolender v. Lawson" and "how ID on demand, but only for legal traffic stops or checkpoints. This was neither."
Also, Hiibel says different.
Are you saying this isn't true? If so, then please cite your sources.
Pafoofnik1 2 years ago
It's not fucking true. The only persons required to have a license are those who are registered. The only persons required to register are COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. California vehicle code, sec. 260 a & b. A states who is required to be registered and b indicates that passenger vehicles ARE NOT. Therefore, no registration, no license, and no license plates are required for passenger vehicles OR house cars. Go look it up. The bulk of the code applies to commerce vehicles.
crackahcrackah 2 years ago
cops will still harass you even if you are following the law. they are not lawyers. they only do as the lawyer SOBs train them to do. Those lawyers need to be hanged. Just about every fucking individual who uses a car has registered their cars when ONLY COMMERCIAL VEHICLES (for the transport of people or goods for money) are EXPLICITLY required to do so veh. code 260a
crackahcrackah 2 years ago
Im getting Los Angeles Lawyers to look into this.
christophersteal 2 years ago
A sign of the times in Chico and elsewhere.Last night I witnessed an inhebriated college girl in handcuffs get put in the back seat of a patrol unit ,upon doing so she kicked the officer and stood up in the officers face yelling. Without hesitation the officer punched her in the face just like you would see in a college bar brawl.The sound of the punch was easily heard from across the street.I for one was taken back but tried to justify what the officer was going through at the time.
christophersteal 2 years ago
You're probably the same people that scream the police don't prevent crime, they just go after the criminals after a crime is committed. Well those cops were taking a proactive approach. If he was completely innocent, and didn't have such an attitude and just shown the cops his drivers license, and told them what he was doing, they probably would have left him alone in minutes. Of course then he wouldn't have had his 5 minutes of fame on U Tube screaming look how bad the police are.
sandmandave2008 2 years ago
"You're probably the same people that scream the police don't prevent crime,"
You are mistaken.
Pafoofnik1 2 years ago 2