Dobermann, protection, Schutzhund, IPO training Topi 2008.02

[sziklai73]

Super!!!:))

[FilmerOfBobcats]

the movement is spectacular. It's amazing how agile they really are.

[KitsNTats]

Not quite the impact of a mal, but still amazing... Great obedience!!!

[odaie1]

Wow , awsome. Such a beautiful, intelligent and powerful breed the dobermann is.!! My Dobie is now 4. Its nice to see how many different ways you can train them. I enjoyed watching your post. They are truly awsome dogs.!!!!

[d4n1c]

Only thing I do not like about this video is the second they take off the protective sleeve the doberman stops attacking.. meaning in real life situations.. will the dog stop attacking or even attack without the protective arm band on.. It is a common mistake many protection dog trainers make, wonder how they over come it.

[laddiedog562]

@d4n1c a good trainer will occasionaly take off the arm and still aggitate the dog. the helper at my club occationaly takes off the arm and aggitates my dog and he will still go nuts. although i am shure if i let him go he wouldnt bite, if a stranger were threatning me i am 100% positive he would bite

[dirtyfunky86]

You are wrong, the Rotts at my Schutzhund club are amazing! Equally as efficient as any of the Shepherds, it all depends on the drive of the individual dog and the quality of training!

[tapsarautanen]

Uh? Isn't he supposed to enter the blind from the left?

[jangoparrot]

@tapsarautanen

that dosenmatter, they can enter from both sides

[sonnyck5]

fantastico perro

una pasada

[bandog700]

hermoso perro

[besiaka]

awesome doggie! good job training!

[lins0mniak]

nice

[GDR352]

The problem with this training method is that you are training the dog to attack the SLEEVE, not the intruder/assailant. Notice that as soon as the sleeve falls off the dog loses all interest in the target human and continues just mauling the sleeve. This is pointless. It's teaching the dog a 'game,' nothing more. Realistic training should use decoys who appear normal with padding that does not slide off the arm or appear overly bulky.

[JacquelyneWilkerson]

You really dont know what you are talking about mate....

You also dont know why this is the preferred method of training because when they bite you they are not gonna let go.....Thats why they dont let go of the sleeve as it is the first part they bite. Trust me they will not bit your freekin sleeve they are going to bight your arm, flesh,,,, hard...

[Immerlockerbleiben]

lol ...

[GDR352]

Unst daz komblatteratzigh unt zee blatheruptdater cornvalumenschey allehdasnfneldueverda.

[squirrelmaster22]

lol, if you knew anything about K9 protection training GDR352, you would know that this is a very effective method and used by virtually every police/military/protection K9 training program...but if you think you have a better solution please, elaborate.

[eminart]

GDR352,

You're wrong. This is exactly how police dogs are trained. Unless the intruder/assailant's arm falls off, the dog won't release him. It's shutzhund and it's tried and true.

[GDR352]

Okay, EMINART, and I'm sure that if the intruder's sleeve falls off your dog will be sure that the sleeve doesn't mug you, at least not while the sleeve's owner is beating your head in with a crow bar and taking your wallet and car keys.

[WhippleBaby]

If you actually got attacked, the mugger is not wearing a huge sleeve, so that guys arm is gonna hurt. And if he were to go back after the dogs owner, you think the dog would ignore that?

[eminart]

OK, GDR352, you're right. Police dogs don't work. It's a fad sure to die out now that you've pointed out the detaching sleeve loophole.

[BeevaLaMex]

Yes, maybe you are right, but you need to watch this from a psychological point of view also.

I think this dog is not well trained, if you watch on on 00:51 you will notice that dog was about to bite that thing,

I think the dog aims for the "biter" thing(the protector) and the dog sees this as a game, which is not fair for the dog because he could encounter real danger while he could think it is a game.

He needs to aim to the hand, yes, he needs to, but the hand, not the protector.

[bananian]

then what's the point of the protector?

[BeevaLaMex]

They should use smaller body protector, people please try harder when you want to argue... if they go against this big sponge thing, they will think it is a game, dogs like to bite this kind of things.

Anyways read my past post, and if you want to argue make smarter posts.

[bananian]

Then the dog will get use to the smaller body protector. Maybe the trainer shouldn't use any protector at all to similate the real deal. :)

[bananian]

And what's the point of a protector at all if they use a small one that's not going to cushion the bite?

[BeevaLaMex]

Man open your fucking mind, you are like radical Taliban but on open ideas, holy shit, smaller, and harder, like plastic so it doesn't brake dogs teeth, holy fuck man, so everybody has to chew everything for you or what?!?!?!

And then you will probably say, but plastic is fragile, and you will say that cause you are a fucking moron, and probably doesn't know that there are thousands of different plastics.

[MikesGoAcademy]

@BeevaLaMex later in training they often go on the a Hidden Bite Sleeve where the dog is taught to simply bite a hand and not the bite sleeve itself.

But first he must develop a strong bite and this is what this kind of equipment is for.

[Dobermank12]

This is sport training, and was originally designed as a breed suitability test to prove the dog had good drive, temperament, and willingness to serve a handler. It is not designed so these dogs would be ready for Police or personal protection, its to prove that they have what it takes. There are a lot of KNPV and other sport dogs that do PPD and police work but there is additional training.

[Leevi72]

And incase u still wanna continue arguing check wikipedia for "Schutzhund" it basically gives u information to this.

Insult like "computer geek" suits 18y olds. But in future cases dont use em if u wanna look anywhere near mature or intelligent.

[maradonasssssss]

what if i was a thief and a Dobermann tried attacking me....and i had my over and under winchester shotgun with me???:)

[prideofdublin]

thats is bad out, hitting the dog !! it dosent need to be done, it aggravates them and makes them vicious, which is a bad thing!! training them for police work or a guard dog can be done without it... and sumebody said that it wouldn't know how to react if it got hit on the job !!! a dobermann!!!! :) it's got instinct mate it would bite yer fuckin hand off, PEACE !!

[Leevi72]

They are not hitting it.. plz find things out before commenting. They pretend to hit it.. and it must be done cos dobbies had to be train not to loose hold even if someones in real thing is hitting it whit fists.

[prideofdublin]

i've got a dobermann and he was trained and he wasnt hit and he does a better job than most dogs, how the fuck do you no?? wer you there and i no that trainers "fake" hit, but most really hit, shud keep all yer fuckin comments toyerself computer geek

[Leevi72]

dude i own 2 dobermans. Iv trained both for protection too and thats common style whats seen in video to train dobbies. Its not hitting the dog its fake hits to train dog not to care about other things whats happening in its eyesight. Training not to loose grip. Some are eating dogs and skin em alive.. and u deside to comment about dogs protection training and bitch about dogs getting fake hitted whit a string whitout any common sense. Gj mate.

[Leevi72]

And that dog would probably let go and run back if being hurted.. or u think that they are that dum? Its plaything to em they joy to do it

[geo5026]

and ill bet you that that wonderful doberman probably makes a great footrest like mine does. well done, excellent work!

[ddowling89]

Dobermans rule!

[chich311]

a dobies speed and with a rotwilers jaws and a colly brian would be the perfect dog with a goldens frindly ness would be the perfect watch dog

[david959100]

bro get a fukin life u nasty perv

[nutsack666]

you are sick in the head. get help now

[christian2nenkov]

I am involved with this kind of training and the rod that is used is rubber. It will not harm the dog. It is used to condition the dog to be used to strikes similar to the type a criminal would try inflict. This also conditions the dog to the pain. The same way a boxer will condition himself to punches in the stomach etc... This kind of training is strickly regulated these days and no form or cruelty would be allowed.

[drugfreebrotha]

yea hitting it is a little extreme i mean normally they just hit the thing the dog bits on

[lolesos]

its not metal dude, it doesnt hurt

[mirjanafjarn]

i dont think they need to hit them.

[monkeyfunky]

lol well to tell u the truth if a dog attacked me i would punch it as hard as i can. Hes just training the dog to take hits

[weo1weo1weo1]

dobbies I've seen have had a really high pain tolerance they can be bit by another dog and they're fine

[lordblighty]

LOL another bloody idiot who thinks dogs are babies who need cuddling on the couch. This is a working dog from working stock and its being trained to do a job. If he didn't hit the dog, and allowed it to go out to work as a police dog or guard dog, then you will have no idea how the dog is going to react to being hit when it has its faced with doing the job it was bred for.

Get a grip.

[nutsack666]

cant they be both?

[Resingurly]

My doberman and others iv been around are smart very and they trained right can be a dog that you can control well after all you see how that one had distraction as it held that one man at bay in his hideing spot and how well they eye the threat calmly till that threat makes its move smmmmart very smart dogs and very loveable if you treat them right

[RoxxyLee]

Nice wish I could train mine to do that to my neighbors who hate my dogs i got 3 dobermans

[Doberfrau]

Ha, ha. Poor you. I wish I could do the same to my neighbours (they're inbreeding "dachshunds" which furiously attack everything - anyone wanna pocket fighting dog?).

[EvilGothGuy]

I hate that, I know what you mean. People see a doberman and just think its some killer horrible dog! Ive dealt with it myself a few times. My dog isn't dangerous. As long as your not trying to hurt me my or my wife my dog wouldn't hurt a fly...Haha, cross that line however and my dog will tear you a new asshole. :)

[kowboydog]

Most American Dobes today have been bred down to be untrained family pets over the past 25 years however that is changing with the Euro bloodline coming into the United States. The Euro breeders have kept their Dobes rooted in protection and obedience. These dobes are what they were meant to be. America also has a huge problem with Z factored Dobes. Please never buy a white Doberman. They are all albino victims of bad breeding and will suffer painful eye and skin disease until they pass on.

[aksaboutm3]

They also have unpredictable temperements and all are inbreds.

[shrry007]

oh really bro??get in any house who has a dobie,it ll bite ur c*ck off if you have any,

[WelshLokiDog]

The doberman is a family dog. It will NOT guard a property as well as some of you may think. A dobe will guard you. They are very protective of their owners.

[michaeljfo]

Totally untrue, My dobe will protect her property, her other dog, and me. The mistake people make with these dogs is protection training them. It is best to just obedience train and socialise them well, they got the protection part down.

[WelshLokiDog]

Lewis Dobermann created this particular breed to protect people. It was unlike all the other German Shepherds and Rottweilers because their jobs were to herd and naturally protect. In a way, the family was like a flock of sheep while the German, hence the name Shepherd, was to protect.

The Dobermann is not a property guard dog. However, ALL dogs will be dominated and defend their territories. Schutzhund is nothing but a game and the dogs love it.

[michaeljfo]

Thanks for the info. The vid looks like the guy is actually hitting the dog, I must be misinterpreting. What is the thing in his hand that looks like a crowbar? Can a dog start this schutzhund at any age? I have a fully obeience trained super intelligent dobie, and if there is no hitting involved and they enjoy it so muchI am interested in more info.. THX

[WelshLokiDog]

The stick he is using s VERY flexible and made of some type of foam. It is used to distract the dog away from the arm and tends to make a loud noise. Hitting is no problem. A dog needs to be at least 18 months to compete but they may be lowering it.

A BH Must be attained before you can try for your Sch 1 title. It's like a Canine Good Citizen exam. Your dog must behave itself around joggers, strange noises, other dogs, automobiles, and crowds of people as well as do basic obedience.

[christian2nenkov]

I agree. My dobes must protect me and not my plastic replaceable shit.

[michaeljfo]

shrry007 WTF, If you are looking for cock go to a gay website, this post is about dogs!

[hydrochelle]

Why the hell would you want to break into peoples houses and steal? to much of looser to work for your own "goods" plus I doubt you broke the legs of a Doberman Pincher unless it was tame and your a big time asshole.

[TheMicEntertainer]

I was just joken about what I said but I still wouldnt buy myself a Dobermann I rather get the rott instead because they are the real thing when it comes to take down a large man

[aksaboutm3]

Dobermans have been designed for it, rotts havnt. Rotts have the harder bite but there slower, less agile and much dumber.

[BluntActivist2008]

Actually they're not THAT much dumber. I own neither of the two breeds, and yes I know the Doberman is more intelligent, but the rottweiler is far from much dumber than a dobie. Slightly less intelligent, yes, but not enough for the doberman to be a way better pick. The rott can be trained to do anything the doberman can do. Having said that, as far as home security goes, a Fila Brasileiro would wipe the floor with any intruder. Get that over any dobie or rott :)

[aksaboutm3]

No they are not THAT much dumber to make the Dobe a WAY better pick but they are hard headed and less intelligent enough (dumber isnt the word) to make the dobie a better pick and for a family dog it is a lot easier to train a doberman. BTW bullmastiff would wipe the floor with a Fila Brasileiro :).

[BluntActivist2008]

What you are saying makes sense as far as family dog goes.

I doubt the bullmastiff would wipe the floor with a fila though :P It would be possible, depends on the dog I suppose, but from everything I've read, it seems to me that a fila has more of that fearless aggression that makes a good fighting dog. Not that Im for dog fighting btw, I hate it.

[aksaboutm3]

I just said bullmastiff because they are ranked number 1 for NATURAL desire to protect (doberman 2 rotty 3) i know nothing about filas but i do know we can come to an agreement that Neapolitan Mastiff swallow both without even chewing.

[pboyle69]

no way, a fila is wayyy more protective than a bullmastiff or doberman or rotty... you have to train them not to attack strangers....

[aksaboutm3]

Well i cant argue with you because i dont know much about filas. But there is a difference between protectiveness and aggression.

[GDR352]

The only way a Neopolitan Mastiff would defeat a Fila Brasileiro is if the Fila drowned in the Neo's drool. Every Neopolitan Mastiff I've ever seen was a drooling, crippled mess with bad hips and weak hind legs. However, I'm sure that if you have linoleum floors any burglar would be sure to slip on Neo drool and break his ass falling down.

[pboyle69]

they're not dog fighting dogs, but they are fearless protectors of their home and property... they would not do well as dog fighters, but they are unsurpassed as guardians of the home and property... especially the filas in brasil, they have not been watered down like the filas here... they can be a truly dangerous dog in irresponsible hands... they're not afraid to attack a person

[michaeljfo]

dobie is just fine for protection, if u disagree just try to get into my house . Anyway why would you want a dog that would "wipe the floor" I'm assuming you mean kill an intruder? Just means your dog will end up euthanized and you will be sued. My dobe is protection enough yet obedience trained and well socialized smart enough to know the dif between the UPS guy and a burglar that I don't even lock my house

[perfectcircleluv]

Great video and beautiful Doberman

[scoverzi]

the best protectin dog

[Abyssinian23]

king of dogs!

[stephshane1]

lets see some bite