@Zmijowaty Jak grzyby po deszczu zaczęły wyskakiwać na ziemiach zachodnich różne ruchy autonomii. Ruch autonomii Śląska, ruch autonomi Mazur itd. Głupi domyśliłby się kto za tym stoi po kilku wiekach podobnej historii. Do tego jeszcze te kontrmanifestacje tęczowych.
Jedyne co Polacy umieli to wydaje mi się, że liczenie tylko na opatrzność, bo jakoś tak samemu coś pomyśleć to jakoś nic nie wychodzi. Podobno historia kołem się toczy, zobaczymy już krótkim czasie, czy tak samo.
@Zmijowaty Nie pamiętam teraz dokładnie który to był rok ale chyba 1720r., kiedy Prusy z Carską Rosją miały pierwsze układy o redukcji wojska w IRP, czyli ładnych parę dekad przed rozbiorami. Proces gnilny zaczął się na długo przed rozbiorami, a potem to już tylko historia i kolejne etapy tych układów. Żyjemy obecnie w czasie przyśpieszenia. Dzisiaj takie procesy już nie trwają dekadami ale znacznie krócej. Jaki następny etap w Polsce każdy może się domyśleć.
@mp3hipnozy Mówisz tu chyba o traktacie poczdamskim 1720, ale dotyczył on tylko utrzymania w Polsce najgorszych objawów aktualnej wówczas formy ustrojowej, czyli wolnej elekcji oraz liberum veto.
@mp3hipnozy Co do redukcji liczby wojska to my sami je zredukowaliśmy w czasie negocjacji konfederacji tarnogrodzkiej z królem, co przypieczętowano na sejmie Niemym, ale to był odruch obronny, bo I RP była już wtedy zadłużona u wojska na 10 mln tylko nie wiem czego, a dochody wynosily najwyżej 6-7 mln i to gdy wysyłało się wojsko w teren dla poparcia mocy poborców podatkowych siłą oręża. O próbach podwyższenia etatów w wojsku słychać dopiero w latach 40., gdy skarb zaczął iść na plus
@boniek11101988 Zgadza się ale tam złożyło się na to dużo rzeczy. Zaraza i śmierć 1/3 liczby ludności, zniszczenie plonów to spowodowało duże problemy finansowe.
Konfederacja Tarnogrodzka była już tylko objawem walk dwóch państw, naszych późniejszych zaborców. August II Mocny sprowadził wojska saskie do IRP i z drugiej strony sprzeciwiająca się część szlachty, która związała konfederację tarnogrodzką.
@boniek11101988 Ta właśnie część szlachty była wspierana przez Rosję. Od sejmu niemego zapoczątkował się okres zależności Rzeczypospolitej od Rosji. Skutkiem k.tarnogrodzkiej była wojna domowa.
Ten okres pokazuje, że już trwało rozrywanie IRP przez Sasów z elektorem Augestem II Mocnym i zwiększającymi się wpływami rosyjskimi.
Wszystko co sie wtedy działo to już były działania obu ościennych państw. Sejm niemy to właściwie był sejm bez możliwości głosu posłów.
@boniek11101988 To co się działo po śmierci Jana III Sobieskiego to można za głowę się złapać. Francuski pretendent do polskiego tronu z sasem urodzony w Dreźnie Augustem II Mocnym i do tego zwiększające się wpływy Rosji. To już wtedy był upadek, a zabory to tylko było podsumowanie tego okresu.
@mp3hipnozy Akurat to co się działo podczas tej elekcji i bezkrólewia to jedna wielka bzdura. Przeczytaj o tworzeniu tej czarnej legendy: Aleksandra Skrzypietz, Francuskie zabiegi o koronę polską po śmierci Jana III Sobieskiego, Katowice, 2009. Moja ulubiona książka historyczna. Zresztą dostępna na stronie śląskiej biblioteki cyfrowej
@Zmijowaty Jakbyś czytał w moich myślach. PRLowskie pokolenie tak jakoś po tych 20 latach swoich poczynań zaczęło mi się od jakiegoś czasu kojarzyć z tymi przedrozbiorowymi. Wyrzucenia swojego narybku młodego w milionach za granicę, zupełnie bez instynktów, jakby nie wiedzieli, że niedługo wyż demograficzny lat powojennych będzie masowo przechodził na emerytury.
Co do wojska to nie mam wątpliwości kto stoi za tą redukcją armii, tak jak ty zresztą.
rozjechał nas Szwedzin od północy do południa. W odpowiedzi bogurodzica. A czy nie lepiej było już na wybrzeżu przywalić jakąś 24 funtową kolubryną? Potworne dziadostwo do dzisiaj.
Wojen domowych to w historii polski było od groma. Licząc tylko od czasów zjednoczenia państwa, bez wszystkich piastowskich książąt wycinających się nawzajem, będzie tego:
1) wojna Grzymalitów z Nałęczami
2) wojna Oleśnickiego z Husytami
3) rokosz Zebrzydowskiego
4) rokosz Lubomirskiego z bardzo krwawą bitwą pod Mątwami
for those who don't know... the monster canon was needed to bust through the thick walls of the fortified monastery/church... this is all fiction based on actual events... so, ...we don't really know what truly happened
since the Polish Church and the Polish Communists had/have a bad habit of rewriting history... etc.
nie dali rady kozacy nie dali rady szwedzi nie dali rady turcy......polacy zawsze solidarnie pokonali najeźdżce.....jeszcze polska nie zginęła.....bogarodzica maryja........
@piorun402 po potopie z kraju zostały zgliszcza.........tak samo po powstaniach kozackich (pół Ukrainy płonęło)......a z Turkami był haniebny dla Nas pokój w Buczaczu(staliśmy się lennikami Imperium Osmańskiego). Solidarnymi nazywasz wojny domowe?
@piorun402 " nie dali rady kozacy nie dali rady szwedzi nie dali rady turcy......polacy zawsze solidarnie pokonali najeźdżce.....jeszcze polska nie zginęła.....bogarodzica maryja........"
Szwedzi nie dali rady??? Potop to była gigantyczna porażka.
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szkoda ze nas wtedy nie zdobyli zylibysmy w normalnym kraju w ktorym stac na wszystko a nie tylko na oplacanie rachunkow................................
Ciekawostka - Ks.Kordecki, gdy przyszło do kryzysu wśród załogi, podwoił żołd i co jeszcze ciekawsze wypłacił go. Król nie mógł nawet pomarzyć o takich możliwościach.
To my dostaliśmy ogromnego łupnia i tylko dzięki szczęściu się z tego wygrzebaliśmy. Po wszystkim większośc bogacw z polski było już w szwecji lub na dnie bałtyku.
Ja, joonte1010, det är vad dom sjunger, eller ska sjunga.. Den borde väl du känna till. Att döma från dina uttalanden här på nätet. Eftersom det är en polsk film så antar jag att dom sjunger "vår gud är oss en väldig borg" på polska.. som ochså hade en minoritet av protestanter. Den här psalmen sjöngs länge i Sverige, speciellt vid krig, någons bortgång eller bistra tider.. Den sjöngs väldigt mkt udner trettioårigakriget, polska och ryska krigen
Jag vet mycket väl att Svenskarna sjöng den psalmen inom den Svenska armèn under krigen förut.. Men inte att dom gjorde det i denna videon ^^ Låter lite konstigt när dom har gjort om det till Polska.
psalmen är inte omgjord, det är en polsk översättning från tyskan som det skrevs på och sjöngs på från självaste början.. Musiken är inte annorlunda, låter precis som det ska låta, kanske något mäktigare än vad som sjungs i kyrkan.. har en finsk inspelning, men den här är helt klart mkt bättre
a Yank? well i suppose i am, but i actually happen to be a polack too. though got to admit i am not sure if being either disqualifies me from being the other.
Battle of Stegeborg 8 September 1598. In Sweden it is part of the War against Sigismund, of the Polish-Swedish Wars. 6000 Polish army defeated 18000 Swedish soldiers and captured Stockholm.
people calm down this shit happened centuries ago, and you argue like it was yesterday, its spilled milk under the bridge. besides its France and Britain who have done most damage to Poland not Sweden, if you don't believe that read up WWII.
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Your right, We Swedes only killed half of the Polish-Lithuanian population and ended your "Golden age" Thats nothing.. Not the killings anyway ;) A Slav will allways be a slav which means something the Germanic man can practice shooting at hahaha.
that's just uncalled for, true i don't agree in arguing about this crap but i am a Slav myself and that's a hurtful comment i at least try not to insult everyone on the basis of their ethnicity.
and if you really think that look up Polish-German wars. (there is only one they actually won)
somehow i still fail to see what you said as a joke. i just cant seem to think of people as "things to shoot at," dont get me wrong i am no humanitarian but what your saying sounds more like something a psychopath would say.
joonte1010 I think you have a problem maybe you should speak with a good specialist? I think that Swedes are ok of course also in Sweden there are some people with huge problems and fears (as you) You should cmoe here to Poland and visit Pruszków facility it will helps you really.
Britney Spears is 1000 or more times knowed then that gustav II adolf, that means she is better commander? Stanislaw Koniecpolski was only a hetman not a king but he was a master who never loose a battle and he beated gustav adolf ass all times. That feared bitch even dont want to take battle against Koniecpolski and many times he was just runing away with his army with no fight. He was smart not strong, because he was knowing that Koniecpolski will beat him like a little boy.
You better go bitch to school learn some history, then we can discuss, because now u are not contender against me I crushing your shitty " proofs" like a worm as you really are. And ww2 showed whos nation have honour and pride whos have not. We stand and fight nad never give up and finally win, in the 1944 in the brief to Himmler Hitler was admiring Poles for they bravery, clever, persistance. Read some about that. Even our worst enemy was admiring us. What was svedes? Only pussies who giving
sveds naver win in a fair war. But when they have chance to change their reputation of pussies they will giving "svenska stall" in order to not attacking them, fuckin cowards and bitches for sale. Like in ww2 they lost their rest of pride if they had some ever. And one thing more, Slavs made many powerfull countries and an empire, i hate russian pussies, but they made an empire by conquering no mans land, Slavs give to world many great people who changed world. What give sveds? gays? abba?
rebelion, finnaly some casaulties from war but if u have at least a small part of non knowed by you thing called brain, you will understand than in situation when we are attacked by some like 6 enemies in 1 time, and have big part of army on the enemies side, that casaulties must be big. Victory in the end is a proof of polish mastery and art of warfare. That are facts u bitch, you can still belevie in ur shit, no matter that a dirty worm to crush like you will still believe in his "history" hah
of their army was mercaneries like czechs, germans, scots and other and someones of them was fighting good someone not special, but sveds asses was always slayed. Killing half of populatian?O.o Get a life you bitch, you must have a big imagination to imagine stories like this hahaha. Poland lost 1/4 of population in deluge maked by: Russia, Cossacs, Wallachia, Branderburg, Siedmiogrod, Moldovia, sweden, because we lost some lands, cossacs also was a part of our population but they made a
so why gustav adolf loosing all time against Koniecpolski, and always he have bigger armies? gustav adolf maybe was o good officer but not enough good against our genius of the battlefield like Stanisław Koniecpolski, Jan Karol Chodkiewicz, Jan Zamoyski andf many other. We had just shitty kings from sweden. When on polish throne was a Pole or somebody from Commonwealth then it was good times with slaying all enemies in one time swedes also but there was a small number of them, because most
Gustav II Adolf is a 100 times more knowned then that Koniecpolski, Strong people still lives on in History while the weak perish.
Didnt the Germans exterminate lowlifes such as you during WW2? Or did your father hide himself among the Pigs on the Farm? Where you belong you former slave shit.
Hetman Koniecpolski 3 times meet with ur whore gustaw adolf on battlefield, always sweds had more soldiers, and always they loose. That are facts. I forgive ur stupidity, because its sad that such a stupid and miserable people live on this planet. I can teach real history if u want. U are discrediting yuorself with every your single argument, u dont see that? What a fucking shit who belevie his uncle adolf who tell him that hes better because he have pig hair hahaha.
I was looking here some like year ago and you still writiing ur shit. Get a life u fuckin fat retard. Go to schoole bitch, because that history what u learning from ur pedophile father is bullshit. Swedes was always weak duel swede vs Pole= alwaus wins Pole, we was masters of fencing. 1st Polish-swedich war= we slaughtered swedish pigs, u were weak like shit. hahah and u still traying to tell us of sweden superiority? hahaha. And that legend of killing 1/4 of polish population hahaha
more then half of Poland where Conquered by Sweden, More then half of the major towns of Poland including your Capital where taken and plundered by the Swedes, Half of the Polish-Lithuanian population got killed during that War.
I thought all the weaklings and hypocrites of Poland got butchered and exterminated during that war and the WW2, apparently not. Your swine to a father must have hide himself at the farms with the Pigs. Its probably there he meet your mother! Son of a pig.
And make a marionette, loosing all their weights except pure scanidnavia, what nobody wants to conquer, because for what? But todays times making for us good perspectives to be regional leaders, sveden is a marginal country with muslims and gays, who is a neutral pussy like all the last 2 ages. Let us wait some time and there will be an emirat of svedeXD. I dont want a reply of joonte because i know that kid is retarded & i know what he will say- nazi shit- typical for a no-life who he is.
Omg, a Subhuman tjust wrote that i am a Retard, And still it is him who bring retarded things up.
Former slave listen to me, Read your History again, I know that your braincampacity is to low to get all informations. But lets start with the Deluge. I didnt even read your bullshit, I dont have a interest to read Bullshit.
In the russian campaign, cossacs who was a nightmare for soldiers of west europe and german pussies, was fearing to fight with Poles and they was getting round when Poles marching against them. The conclusion is that we have great soldiers & people, but kings pussies from other countries like sveden, fucked up neighbours, and really bad geopoliticall situation and location. And finishing off The Commonwealth by sweden was a bad decision for sveden also because that marginalisate them
War was moderning all time, all nations who fight a lot was giving new tactics, inventions etc... But some complexed kids dont understand this. Polish lancers was famous in whole Europe in Napoleon age, thats a heritage from their ancestors who was leaders in using cavarly in wars, everybody know power of Polish soldiers, everybody want Poles to fight on their side, read Napoleons citations about Polish soldiers . What sveds was doing i Nappys age?
In battle of Kircholm, there was no germans you piece of shit on our said, raitars from Kurland-latvians seemingly dont feel germans and they was in a small number, most of our forces were main commonwealth forces. But sveds uses mercs like germans, czechs, scottish, polish( yes in the deluge big number of polish nobles want karol gustav to be their king, and they serve him to time when they was seeing that sveds going to loose the war and what they are doing with civilians) God know who more.
lol that piecie of shit joonte still commenting?O.o omg. That boy is a retardXD. He cant take a fact that svedes do nothing in history. And a proof is theyre position today. Week and with no meaning.
Turks in XVII century was a big power, ask germans who was loosing with theme all the time to moment of Polish intervention. During the deluge we had wars with Cossacs, Russia, Prussia/Branderburg, Wallachia, Moldovia, Siedmiogrod. All of them was killing civilians, only cowards kills unarmed.
A decision to attack Poland was a foolishness. Poland was weak so Russia became more powerful and Prussia got independence. Sweden lost control on the Baltic Sea due to the imperialistic Prussia and Russia. It would probably never happened if Poland existed, we didn't want to build an empire, we have never had a war in order to conquer something that never belonged. Republic of Both Nations was a republic with the biggest range of freedom in any country in the world.
It's meaningless. Nothing can equals to what they stole during 1655 ;) Nearly each Swedish musem nowadays has something that belongs to Poland. And they will never get it back.
for your information joonte1010 only reason swedish army go so far was misunderstanding of swedish rob intentions. polish nobility thought it is only a war for sweden crown between Wasa royal family members. deluge was swedish victory because sweden was weaker and smaller badland. swedish stole evrything what could be stolen, 1/4 polish population died. polish noblity to late understood own stupidity. this war shows weaknes of polish golden freedom. the "polish empire" was soon to fall
but in my opinion it was bad. tolerance and freedom died with republick. freedom and tolerance became heresy, polish idiotism like russians like to shows it. people which save whole europe many times, wasnt able to save themeselves. so sad, only turks remeber about us whe evrybody forsaken and God we will remember this.
Sweden had the strongest Military power in the North at that time, after the succesfull 30 years war which we had plundered our way through, But Sweden was weak in our economy. Much of the things we plundered their went to build up new Military regiment and buy in merceneries.. When the 30 years war was over, we had to invade another Country. And Poland had claims our throne so that was the perfect target to invade and plunder. Not our fault but ur stupid King.
tell that to all ur polish ancestors who got slaughtered by my ancestor.
Remember the Great Northern War? Sweden alone against Poland,Schasen,Russia,Denmark and we sure as hell kick u as easily as before in that war.
Do u remember the Battle of Chojnice?
The battle of Kircholm? ahaha , that Army was mostly build up by merceneries, and it was really backward. Sweden got strong after Gustav II Adolfs reform.
We didn't fight in Northern War :) It was Polish king war, we as a Polish nobility fucked this. We didn't came and fight - only king with small army of his, that wasn't made even by polish taxes.
I see you now history only of yours, not Poland so what the hell are you talking about.
In whole 17 century we had 80 years of Wars - with Sweden, Russians, Cossacks, Turks (that was on their golden age then) and we wone them most, so what the fuck you want to say? U now nothing. 13 years old Nazi gay
And the Poles did fight in the Great Northern War, polish armies.
hmm have u never thought about one thing? All the wars where fought on ur mainland. In Poland. Sweden plundered ur Country back to stoneage. We were the winners in that war.
I know that the peseants revolted against us and forced us back to the sea. But we went home richer then beforewhile Poland ended the war weakier then before.
But the Polish king was a fucking German (August II) - didn't you notice that? he didn't care about Poland so he made a piece of shit. In normal situation you will lose - it's obvious :)
In this time Poland maybe was weaker but as I said we had to much wars to win because of our geopolitician situation.
i know that he was a German King (Schasen), But he was indeed King over Poland. And therefore, He was able to use some of ur armies, Which werent that good infront of the Swedes.
I take that "In normal situation you will lose - it's obvious"
because everybody can beat Polacks, Its an Historical fact ^^ Poland is probably the Country in Europe (Among the biggest ones) Who have lost most, and getting plundered most) in the History.
You say that you lost kircholm because of "bla bla bla" and you don't want to notice politican situation of Poland those time. That is why disscusion with you is so sensless.
If you will live in this territory, that we live you, will not even have a country for a ten years.
Yeah, we lose frome time to time, but the proportion of wins:lose is positive for us. And for you don't now but i know that you survived mostly because of your terrain, not who you were.
He was involved in war as king of Sachsen, not as king of Poland-Lithuania. POland was formally neutral. Until you invaded that is; and of course then our army was sabotaging king's orders (Kliszow), and half of nobles again sided with Sweden ... Yes, our history since 1648 was reallu fucked up.
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I was just anwsering this and was trying to be funny but you didn't get it....
"because everybody can beat Polacks, Its an Historical fact ^^ Poland is probably the Country in Europe (Among the biggest ones) Who have lost most, and getting plundered most) in the History"
you exaggerate all swedish victories and underplay polish ones. in your texts swedish are best, organised, allways victorious. polish are chaotic, weak and allways loosers. that way of thinkink leading to conclusion: swedish are kind of race of masters. just like nazi propaganda said
"Swedish internet worriors" , Fake proud , Fake honor , U have nothing from ur history , u was neutral always , u let germans come to ur country without fight-couse u was scared.
Poland has wars with all of neighbours (Prussia , Moscow-Russia, Austria etc.).Of course with neghbours like that we lose ur independens but we never give up.
One thing "Vienna 1683" and u can put ur "Great history" to the pocket.
joonte1010. What about Jomsborg? And Vikings serving for Chrobry(Polish King 1025- coronation date)after defeat- like dogs? What about Oliwa battle(1627) when our young fleet crushed yours? What about 1655 and your asses kicked away though the Baltic sea to Sweden? What about keeping killed Jews money in your banks? What about you men? You don't know even history of your contry, so shut up.
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look whos talking hahaha!
At the battle of Oliwa ur naval was bigger then the Swedish one, During the Deluge? We plundered ur Country back to stoneage and massacred ur Polacks.
What about the Estonian wars? We fucking took the baltic from ur cheap asses.
Does Sweden hs powerfull histor? HUauahauhauhauahuaauha Dont make me laught please ^^.Did u say about Sweden "german country"? huahauhauahahahuau.Ty mały kutasie bez szkoły ^^. What about Deluge, hmmm u didnt won this war so fuck off ^^
part of the final treaty:"...in the name of Christ there will be no further disagreements between us(kingdom of sweden)and our brother jan casimir(kingdom of poland).(they both were brothers at birth).therefore there will be no requests regarding our territorial rights,dynastic rights or any other further forms of request....so help us God".if that is loseing,i don't know what winning is about.:)
yup,that swede guy is a bit retarted,but who cares? ;) You are full of pride bout deluge...i just remind you that you lost ;) like in the battle of Oliwa or Kircholm, so just stfu, this wasn't 30 years war..and all this german/slavic bullshit...chill out boy, or say it to my face,otherwise just shut up and don't get involve in discussions when you don't have any histrocial knowledge,k? ;*
your knowledge of modern history is below all levels.:)look,boy:about 90% of polish casualties were civilians,executed by germans.you must be really sick person if you supporting such executions.
just because you were cooperating with germans,at that time you once more proved that you afraid of anyone who is stronger than you.cheap labour(not labourer?:))i finished one of the best schools in canada and i couldn't consider my self:"cheap labour",unless you are really reach.but the way you write...i don't think so.:)
"it means that we only lost arund 50-100 soliders"-for every each hour during the war.:)you f....brainless moron! i don't know what you mean by weakness,but as far as i see it,you are just big mouth imbecile.
sweds got collection of flags?hehehe.fags that they are buying during sport events around the world,buhahaha!we lost so much people just because swedish army killed so many civilians(they were acting like germans during II WW)
if you didn't run like a f....chicken shit what are your military flags doing till today in poland?:)(including flag of great admiral,flag of great kingdom and flag of field marshall-total,about 100)in western knight code loseing flag means loseing honour.
what? Ur fucking weird :S Ur putting up statements u have got from ur slavic weakling head.
Sweden have the greatest collection of war captured flags and banners in the World.. In our Military Museum, and u start talking about some flaggs Poland have?? hahahaha :P
bottle of chojnice was typical example of swedish dishonour.sweds attacked unarmed nobelmen during catholic holiday,while ongoing treaty.there were very limited numbers of regular army on polish side.
try invading us again, mother fucker, and you will be sorry you ever tried! Polish pride, bitch, you better remember that! You try invading again, we'll kick your ass right back to Sweden, and invade your piss ass country!
Bitch, @ Kirchholm, for every Pole, at least 15 Swedes fell. You piece of shit, come over to Poland and say this. Joonte, what a panzy ass name. Modern day Swedes are nothign compared to their viking ancestors. Nothing but neutral cunts, who can't even fight a war anymore. Let Poland and the others who know how to fight, keep fighting, and you just stand back and be a bitch with Switzerland all those other neutral pussies.
If you knew your geography better, you twat, you'd know Poland is between Germany and Russia, two powers. Who did Sweden ever have, hiding way up in the north like that? Finland? Give me a break, your country is just a bunch of fucking criminals. You killed innocent women and children, stole, and ran back and hid like the stupid blonde cunts you are. You have no honor.
@Zmijowaty Jak grzyby po deszczu zaczęły wyskakiwać na ziemiach zachodnich różne ruchy autonomii. Ruch autonomii Śląska, ruch autonomi Mazur itd. Głupi domyśliłby się kto za tym stoi po kilku wiekach podobnej historii. Do tego jeszcze te kontrmanifestacje tęczowych.
Jedyne co Polacy umieli to wydaje mi się, że liczenie tylko na opatrzność, bo jakoś tak samemu coś pomyśleć to jakoś nic nie wychodzi. Podobno historia kołem się toczy, zobaczymy już krótkim czasie, czy tak samo.
mp3hipnozy 3 months ago
@Zmijowaty Nie pamiętam teraz dokładnie który to był rok ale chyba 1720r., kiedy Prusy z Carską Rosją miały pierwsze układy o redukcji wojska w IRP, czyli ładnych parę dekad przed rozbiorami. Proces gnilny zaczął się na długo przed rozbiorami, a potem to już tylko historia i kolejne etapy tych układów. Żyjemy obecnie w czasie przyśpieszenia. Dzisiaj takie procesy już nie trwają dekadami ale znacznie krócej. Jaki następny etap w Polsce każdy może się domyśleć.
mp3hipnozy 3 months ago
@mp3hipnozy Mówisz tu chyba o traktacie poczdamskim 1720, ale dotyczył on tylko utrzymania w Polsce najgorszych objawów aktualnej wówczas formy ustrojowej, czyli wolnej elekcji oraz liberum veto.
boniek11101988 3 months ago
@mp3hipnozy Co do redukcji liczby wojska to my sami je zredukowaliśmy w czasie negocjacji konfederacji tarnogrodzkiej z królem, co przypieczętowano na sejmie Niemym, ale to był odruch obronny, bo I RP była już wtedy zadłużona u wojska na 10 mln tylko nie wiem czego, a dochody wynosily najwyżej 6-7 mln i to gdy wysyłało się wojsko w teren dla poparcia mocy poborców podatkowych siłą oręża. O próbach podwyższenia etatów w wojsku słychać dopiero w latach 40., gdy skarb zaczął iść na plus
boniek11101988 3 months ago
@boniek11101988 Zgadza się ale tam złożyło się na to dużo rzeczy. Zaraza i śmierć 1/3 liczby ludności, zniszczenie plonów to spowodowało duże problemy finansowe.
Konfederacja Tarnogrodzka była już tylko objawem walk dwóch państw, naszych późniejszych zaborców. August II Mocny sprowadził wojska saskie do IRP i z drugiej strony sprzeciwiająca się część szlachty, która związała konfederację tarnogrodzką.
mp3hipnozy 3 months ago
@boniek11101988 Ta właśnie część szlachty była wspierana przez Rosję. Od sejmu niemego zapoczątkował się okres zależności Rzeczypospolitej od Rosji. Skutkiem k.tarnogrodzkiej była wojna domowa.
Ten okres pokazuje, że już trwało rozrywanie IRP przez Sasów z elektorem Augestem II Mocnym i zwiększającymi się wpływami rosyjskimi.
Wszystko co sie wtedy działo to już były działania obu ościennych państw. Sejm niemy to właściwie był sejm bez możliwości głosu posłów.
mp3hipnozy 3 months ago
@boniek11101988 To co się działo po śmierci Jana III Sobieskiego to można za głowę się złapać. Francuski pretendent do polskiego tronu z sasem urodzony w Dreźnie Augustem II Mocnym i do tego zwiększające się wpływy Rosji. To już wtedy był upadek, a zabory to tylko było podsumowanie tego okresu.
mp3hipnozy 3 months ago
@mp3hipnozy Akurat to co się działo podczas tej elekcji i bezkrólewia to jedna wielka bzdura. Przeczytaj o tworzeniu tej czarnej legendy: Aleksandra Skrzypietz, Francuskie zabiegi o koronę polską po śmierci Jana III Sobieskiego, Katowice, 2009. Moja ulubiona książka historyczna. Zresztą dostępna na stronie śląskiej biblioteki cyfrowej
boniek11101988 3 months ago
@Zmijowaty Jakbyś czytał w moich myślach. PRLowskie pokolenie tak jakoś po tych 20 latach swoich poczynań zaczęło mi się od jakiegoś czasu kojarzyć z tymi przedrozbiorowymi. Wyrzucenia swojego narybku młodego w milionach za granicę, zupełnie bez instynktów, jakby nie wiedzieli, że niedługo wyż demograficzny lat powojennych będzie masowo przechodził na emerytury.
Co do wojska to nie mam wątpliwości kto stoi za tą redukcją armii, tak jak ty zresztą.
mp3hipnozy 3 months ago
rozjechał nas Szwedzin od północy do południa. W odpowiedzi bogurodzica. A czy nie lepiej było już na wybrzeżu przywalić jakąś 24 funtową kolubryną? Potworne dziadostwo do dzisiaj.
mp3hipnozy 4 months ago
Wojen domowych to w historii polski było od groma. Licząc tylko od czasów zjednoczenia państwa, bez wszystkich piastowskich książąt wycinających się nawzajem, będzie tego:
1) wojna Grzymalitów z Nałęczami
2) wojna Oleśnickiego z Husytami
3) rokosz Zebrzydowskiego
4) rokosz Lubomirskiego z bardzo krwawą bitwą pod Mątwami
5) wojna "wszyscy na Sapiehów"
6) wojna Leszczyńskiego z Augustem
7) konfederacja barska
8) wojna z partyzantką antykomunistyczną
IronRud 1 year ago 3
Vivat Carolus Gustavus rex Poloniae!
albanuova10 1 year ago
for those who don't know... the monster canon was needed to bust through the thick walls of the fortified monastery/church... this is all fiction based on actual events... so, ...we don't really know what truly happened
since the Polish Church and the Polish Communists had/have a bad habit of rewriting history... etc.
RealDogofGenius 1 year ago
do cisu wojna domowa była tylko jedna.....a cos mało sie znasz na histori....chłopcze
a co powiesz o sobieskim który pobił turka pod chocimiem i pod wiedniem??????
piorun402 1 year ago
do cisu wojna domowa była tylko jedna.....a cos mało sie znasz na histori....chłopcze
piorun402 1 year ago
nie dali rady kozacy nie dali rady szwedzi nie dali rady turcy......polacy zawsze solidarnie pokonali najeźdżce.....jeszcze polska nie zginęła.....bogarodzica maryja........
piorun402 1 year ago
@piorun402 po potopie z kraju zostały zgliszcza.........tak samo po powstaniach kozackich (pół Ukrainy płonęło)......a z Turkami był haniebny dla Nas pokój w Buczaczu(staliśmy się lennikami Imperium Osmańskiego). Solidarnymi nazywasz wojny domowe?
cisu999 1 year ago
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@piorun402 " nie dali rady kozacy nie dali rady szwedzi nie dali rady turcy......polacy zawsze solidarnie pokonali najeźdżce.....jeszcze polska nie zginęła.....bogarodzica maryja........"
Szwedzi nie dali rady??? Potop to była gigantyczna porażka.
mp3hipnozy 6 months ago
Is that "A mighty Fortress is our God" they are singing? Are they singing in Polish? Thats a big ass culvern, or is it a cannonade?
krashly71 1 year ago
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szkoda ze nas wtedy nie zdobyli zylibysmy w normalnym kraju w ktorym stac na wszystko a nie tylko na oplacanie rachunkow................................
bmistarz442 1 year ago
@bmistarz442 możesz wyjechać będzie spokój....
adulek33 1 year ago
Co oni śpiewają?
kursk1111111111 1 year ago
@kursk1111111111
Kazimierz Serocki - Psalm Szwedów
marcinosos222 1 year ago
Ciekawostka - Ks.Kordecki, gdy przyszło do kryzysu wśród załogi, podwoił żołd i co jeszcze ciekawsze wypłacił go. Król nie mógł nawet pomarzyć o takich możliwościach.
Czetwertynski 1 year ago
@Czetwertynski
OTOkiosk 1 year ago
@Czetwertynski
OTOkiosk 1 year ago
Bogiem Sławiena Maryja!!! Dostaliście szwedzi po dupie ha ha Polska nigdy nie padnie :)
Lukasz091000 1 year ago 4
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3BULIPL 2 years ago
Stary dobry jestes xD
kaczypawlak 2 years ago 3
2.
Vår egen makt var här försvag,
Det måste vi själve röna:
Ty fick för oss till detta slag
Kristus, den kämpen sköna.
Herren Sebaot
Beviste oss gott:
Den kämpen god,
Som gav oss mod,
Han vann seger och äro.
Eritter81 2 years ago 8
ale dostaliście łupnia sZwedzi hehehe
MrMarjo0 1 year ago 4
@MrMarjo0 Bez urazy ale pierdolicie głupoty.
To my dostaliśmy ogromnego łupnia i tylko dzięki szczęściu się z tego wygrzebaliśmy. Po wszystkim większośc bogacw z polski było już w szwecji lub na dnie bałtyku.
kursk1111111111 1 year ago
Vår Gud är oss en väldig borg,
Han är vår sköld och värja:
Han hjälper oss av nöd och sorg,
Som oss vill här besnärja.
Vår fiende bätsk,
Är oss så hätsk;
På makt och list
Haver han ej brist;
På jorden är icke hans like.
Eritter81 2 years ago 13
can you present all the text in swedish?
Kyreth666 2 years ago
Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott
Vår Gud är oss en väldig borg
Han är vår sköld och värja
Text: Martin Luther 1528
Svensk text: Olaus Petri 1536
Eritter81 2 years ago
Är det vad dom sjunger i videon?
joonte1010 2 years ago
Ja, joonte1010, det är vad dom sjunger, eller ska sjunga.. Den borde väl du känna till. Att döma från dina uttalanden här på nätet. Eftersom det är en polsk film så antar jag att dom sjunger "vår gud är oss en väldig borg" på polska.. som ochså hade en minoritet av protestanter. Den här psalmen sjöngs länge i Sverige, speciellt vid krig, någons bortgång eller bistra tider.. Den sjöngs väldigt mkt udner trettioårigakriget, polska och ryska krigen
Eritter81 2 years ago
Jag vet mycket väl att Svenskarna sjöng den psalmen inom den Svenska armèn under krigen förut.. Men inte att dom gjorde det i denna videon ^^ Låter lite konstigt när dom har gjort om det till Polska.
joonte1010 2 years ago
psalmen är inte omgjord, det är en polsk översättning från tyskan som det skrevs på och sjöngs på från självaste början.. Musiken är inte annorlunda, låter precis som det ska låta, kanske något mäktigare än vad som sjungs i kyrkan.. har en finsk inspelning, men den här är helt klart mkt bättre
Eritter81 2 years ago
Hade iallafall varit intressant att höra den på Svenska.
joonte1010 2 years ago
haha 2:00 awsome acting :D
acetylslicylsyra 2 years ago
Przepędziliśmy luterańskich Szwedów, odstepców od prawdziwej wiary katolickej,
Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna
Wielka Polska Katolicka
wojsport 2 years ago 2
zbierzmy się wszyscy razem i pozwólmy temu debilowi (wiecie któremu) pobić rekord w ilości minusów przy komentarzach.
duch14 2 years ago
Yes for sure You need a good specialist.
CIVMANEK1 2 years ago
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I can name one good specialist for you, To visite.
joonte1010 2 years ago
So please do it. :) Or you have no courage to do it?
CIVMANEK1 2 years ago
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You can visite me instead, But i wouldnt have given you a good treatment, Only kicked your ass and plundered your body from everything of wealth.
joonte1010 2 years ago
With what?? BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yes yes and then you will wake up with wet sheet.
CIVMANEK1 2 years ago
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ok, Now you sound like a gay, I`ll better take you out from distance instead. Dont want to risk to gain AIDS or something.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Not so brave nor smart whole joonte 1010
CIVMANEK1 2 years ago
Not brave or smart? What does that have to do with the discussion we have? hahaha.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Yes with this comment you prove me that I'm right
CIVMANEK1 2 years ago
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Eastern Europèan way of thinking.. I have never understand that.
joonte1010 2 years ago
I'm aware of this I really do. I'm wondering have you ever understand anything.
CIVMANEK1 2 years ago 2
a Yank? well i suppose i am, but i actually happen to be a polack too. though got to admit i am not sure if being either disqualifies me from being the other.
karol4775 2 years ago
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Battle of Stegeborg 8 September 1598. In Sweden it is part of the War against Sigismund, of the Polish-Swedish Wars. 6000 Polish army defeated 18000 Swedish soldiers and captured Stockholm.
tombry76wawa 2 years ago
people calm down this shit happened centuries ago, and you argue like it was yesterday, its spilled milk under the bridge. besides its France and Britain who have done most damage to Poland not Sweden, if you don't believe that read up WWII.
karol4775 2 years ago
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Your right, We Swedes only killed half of the Polish-Lithuanian population and ended your "Golden age" Thats nothing.. Not the killings anyway ;) A Slav will allways be a slav which means something the Germanic man can practice shooting at hahaha.
joonte1010 2 years ago
that's just uncalled for, true i don't agree in arguing about this crap but i am a Slav myself and that's a hurtful comment i at least try not to insult everyone on the basis of their ethnicity.
and if you really think that look up Polish-German wars. (there is only one they actually won)
karol4775 2 years ago
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I was jooking.
joonte1010 2 years ago
that's a terrible joke.
btw i aint laughing.
karol4775 2 years ago
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Thats the difference between North and South. Up here we are cruel in our jokes, In the south you cant handle our jokes.
joonte1010 2 years ago
somehow i still fail to see what you said as a joke. i just cant seem to think of people as "things to shoot at," dont get me wrong i am no humanitarian but what your saying sounds more like something a psychopath would say.
karol4775 2 years ago
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Maybee i am a psychopath.
joonte1010 2 years ago
you might just be right.
karol4775 2 years ago
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Yes, maybee i am.
You shoudl be carefull, Or i`ll might eat your eyes.
joonte1010 2 years ago
good luck trying.
karol4775 2 years ago
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Its an easy job For a psychopath, Especially when it come to defeating a Polack.
joonte1010 2 years ago
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Your not even a Polack ffs, Your a fucking Yank!
joonte1010 2 years ago
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CIVMANEK1 2 years ago
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joonte1010 I think you have a problem maybe you should speak with a good specialist? I think that Swedes are ok of course also in Sweden there are some people with huge problems and fears (as you) You should cmoe here to Poland and visit Pruszków facility it will helps you really.
CIVMANEK1 2 years ago
huh? Why the fuck should i speak with a specialist? It was a joke, If you failed to see that you might need to visite a specialist.
joonte1010 2 years ago
I want only say, Joonte100 or something : U dumbass
SzatanHetman 2 years ago 2
he's making a fool out of himself
Meno013 2 years ago
lol true
SuperPingvinen 2 years ago
Britney Spears is 1000 or more times knowed then that gustav II adolf, that means she is better commander? Stanislaw Koniecpolski was only a hetman not a king but he was a master who never loose a battle and he beated gustav adolf ass all times. That feared bitch even dont want to take battle against Koniecpolski and many times he was just runing away with his army with no fight. He was smart not strong, because he was knowing that Koniecpolski will beat him like a little boy.
mumapredator 2 years ago
iron to germans, because they was feared hahaha, such a pitiful nation you are.
mumapredator 2 years ago
You better go bitch to school learn some history, then we can discuss, because now u are not contender against me I crushing your shitty " proofs" like a worm as you really are. And ww2 showed whos nation have honour and pride whos have not. We stand and fight nad never give up and finally win, in the 1944 in the brief to Himmler Hitler was admiring Poles for they bravery, clever, persistance. Read some about that. Even our worst enemy was admiring us. What was svedes? Only pussies who giving
mumapredator 2 years ago
sveds naver win in a fair war. But when they have chance to change their reputation of pussies they will giving "svenska stall" in order to not attacking them, fuckin cowards and bitches for sale. Like in ww2 they lost their rest of pride if they had some ever. And one thing more, Slavs made many powerfull countries and an empire, i hate russian pussies, but they made an empire by conquering no mans land, Slavs give to world many great people who changed world. What give sveds? gays? abba?
mumapredator 2 years ago
rebelion, finnaly some casaulties from war but if u have at least a small part of non knowed by you thing called brain, you will understand than in situation when we are attacked by some like 6 enemies in 1 time, and have big part of army on the enemies side, that casaulties must be big. Victory in the end is a proof of polish mastery and art of warfare. That are facts u bitch, you can still belevie in ur shit, no matter that a dirty worm to crush like you will still believe in his "history" hah
mumapredator 2 years ago
of their army was mercaneries like czechs, germans, scots and other and someones of them was fighting good someone not special, but sveds asses was always slayed. Killing half of populatian?O.o Get a life you bitch, you must have a big imagination to imagine stories like this hahaha. Poland lost 1/4 of population in deluge maked by: Russia, Cossacs, Wallachia, Branderburg, Siedmiogrod, Moldovia, sweden, because we lost some lands, cossacs also was a part of our population but they made a
mumapredator 2 years ago
so why gustav adolf loosing all time against Koniecpolski, and always he have bigger armies? gustav adolf maybe was o good officer but not enough good against our genius of the battlefield like Stanisław Koniecpolski, Jan Karol Chodkiewicz, Jan Zamoyski andf many other. We had just shitty kings from sweden. When on polish throne was a Pole or somebody from Commonwealth then it was good times with slaying all enemies in one time swedes also but there was a small number of them, because most
mumapredator 2 years ago
FFS, Im acting just as retarded and subhuman as you.. Thats what happens when you are having a conversation with Subhumans and slaves.
Im done with you, Go and make up your History elsewhere, Where people dont know a shit about History like you.
joonte1010 2 years ago
And that natural that u cant contrargumenting my proofs because its hard to discuss with clean facts.
mumapredator 2 years ago
Your "proof" is things made up in your low braincapacity head. You pig lookalike.
joonte1010 2 years ago
sry i made a mistake u are a swine not a human, because human have a thing that u dont have-thinking.
mumapredator 2 years ago
Gustav II Adolf is a 100 times more knowned then that Koniecpolski, Strong people still lives on in History while the weak perish.
Didnt the Germans exterminate lowlifes such as you during WW2? Or did your father hide himself among the Pigs on the Farm? Where you belong you former slave shit.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Hetman Koniecpolski 3 times meet with ur whore gustaw adolf on battlefield, always sweds had more soldiers, and always they loose. That are facts. I forgive ur stupidity, because its sad that such a stupid and miserable people live on this planet. I can teach real history if u want. U are discrediting yuorself with every your single argument, u dont see that? What a fucking shit who belevie his uncle adolf who tell him that hes better because he have pig hair hahaha.
mumapredator 2 years ago
I was looking here some like year ago and you still writiing ur shit. Get a life u fuckin fat retard. Go to schoole bitch, because that history what u learning from ur pedophile father is bullshit. Swedes was always weak duel swede vs Pole= alwaus wins Pole, we was masters of fencing. 1st Polish-swedich war= we slaughtered swedish pigs, u were weak like shit. hahah and u still traying to tell us of sweden superiority? hahaha. And that legend of killing 1/4 of polish population hahaha
mumapredator 2 years ago
haha how pathetic, You subhuman should read your History over again. You have completely wrong you slave.
We killed half of the Polish-Lithuanian population retard, So dont come here and try to change History haha, You weird retarded subhuman.
joonte1010 2 years ago
more then half of Poland where Conquered by Sweden, More then half of the major towns of Poland including your Capital where taken and plundered by the Swedes, Half of the Polish-Lithuanian population got killed during that War.
I thought all the weaklings and hypocrites of Poland got butchered and exterminated during that war and the WW2, apparently not. Your swine to a father must have hide himself at the farms with the Pigs. Its probably there he meet your mother! Son of a pig.
joonte1010 2 years ago
And make a marionette, loosing all their weights except pure scanidnavia, what nobody wants to conquer, because for what? But todays times making for us good perspectives to be regional leaders, sveden is a marginal country with muslims and gays, who is a neutral pussy like all the last 2 ages. Let us wait some time and there will be an emirat of svedeXD. I dont want a reply of joonte because i know that kid is retarded & i know what he will say- nazi shit- typical for a no-life who he is.
mumapredator 2 years ago
Omg, a Subhuman tjust wrote that i am a Retard, And still it is him who bring retarded things up.
Former slave listen to me, Read your History again, I know that your braincampacity is to low to get all informations. But lets start with the Deluge. I didnt even read your bullshit, I dont have a interest to read Bullshit.
"lol that piecie of shit joonte still commenting"
btw, I dont even know who the hell you are.
joonte1010 2 years ago
In the russian campaign, cossacs who was a nightmare for soldiers of west europe and german pussies, was fearing to fight with Poles and they was getting round when Poles marching against them. The conclusion is that we have great soldiers & people, but kings pussies from other countries like sveden, fucked up neighbours, and really bad geopoliticall situation and location. And finishing off The Commonwealth by sweden was a bad decision for sveden also because that marginalisate them
mumapredator 2 years ago
War was moderning all time, all nations who fight a lot was giving new tactics, inventions etc... But some complexed kids dont understand this. Polish lancers was famous in whole Europe in Napoleon age, thats a heritage from their ancestors who was leaders in using cavarly in wars, everybody know power of Polish soldiers, everybody want Poles to fight on their side, read Napoleons citations about Polish soldiers . What sveds was doing i Nappys age?
mumapredator 2 years ago
In battle of Kircholm, there was no germans you piece of shit on our said, raitars from Kurland-latvians seemingly dont feel germans and they was in a small number, most of our forces were main commonwealth forces. But sveds uses mercs like germans, czechs, scottish, polish( yes in the deluge big number of polish nobles want karol gustav to be their king, and they serve him to time when they was seeing that sveds going to loose the war and what they are doing with civilians) God know who more.
mumapredator 2 years ago
lol that piecie of shit joonte still commenting?O.o omg. That boy is a retardXD. He cant take a fact that svedes do nothing in history. And a proof is theyre position today. Week and with no meaning.
Turks in XVII century was a big power, ask germans who was loosing with theme all the time to moment of Polish intervention. During the deluge we had wars with Cossacs, Russia, Prussia/Branderburg, Wallachia, Moldovia, Siedmiogrod. All of them was killing civilians, only cowards kills unarmed.
mumapredator 2 years ago
"Not our fault but ur stupid King."
Zygmunt III Waza was from Sweden, wasn't he ? ;)
Kenning1410 2 years ago
holy shite, thats what i call a cannon:)
zetter13 3 years ago
Svenskt stål ^^
joonte1010 2 years ago
in this time prussia was very very weak ... Poland was powerfull but Liberu Veto destroy Poland
czajkoszczakjwe 3 years ago 3
A decision to attack Poland was a foolishness. Poland was weak so Russia became more powerful and Prussia got independence. Sweden lost control on the Baltic Sea due to the imperialistic Prussia and Russia. It would probably never happened if Poland existed, we didn't want to build an empire, we have never had a war in order to conquer something that never belonged. Republic of Both Nations was a republic with the biggest range of freedom in any country in the world.
Wolfsangel22 3 years ago 4
It's meaningless. Nothing can equals to what they stole during 1655 ;) Nearly each Swedish musem nowadays has something that belongs to Poland. And they will never get it back.
cvty 2 years ago
* We
cvty 2 years ago
Is that a Swedish canon? I mean where was it made?
michun84 3 years ago
We created our own weapons back then, both Guns and cannons and ammo.
joonte1010 3 years ago
for your information joonte1010 only reason swedish army go so far was misunderstanding of swedish rob intentions. polish nobility thought it is only a war for sweden crown between Wasa royal family members. deluge was swedish victory because sweden was weaker and smaller badland. swedish stole evrything what could be stolen, 1/4 polish population died. polish noblity to late understood own stupidity. this war shows weaknes of polish golden freedom. the "polish empire" was soon to fall
infobreaker 3 years ago
but in my opinion it was bad. tolerance and freedom died with republick. freedom and tolerance became heresy, polish idiotism like russians like to shows it. people which save whole europe many times, wasnt able to save themeselves. so sad, only turks remeber about us whe evrybody forsaken and God we will remember this.
infobreaker 3 years ago
Sweden had the strongest Military power in the North at that time, after the succesfull 30 years war which we had plundered our way through, But Sweden was weak in our economy. Much of the things we plundered their went to build up new Military regiment and buy in merceneries.. When the 30 years war was over, we had to invade another Country. And Poland had claims our throne so that was the perfect target to invade and plunder. Not our fault but ur stupid King.
joonte1010 3 years ago
how is how ? is the big canón polish or swedish? uniforms where kinda mess up at this time =/
SuperPingvinen 3 years ago
big canon belongs to the Swedish, the poles are the ones defending
inorelin 3 years ago
thanks! u know more then me how is swedish =0
SuperPingvinen 3 years ago
Bogórodzica w tle... super...
Alladrix 3 years ago
Why you watch polish films about deluge? You search for great swedich history?
You can talk about your nation but NOBODY KNOWS you ^^, ehh maybe Russians (from wars)and ur neghbours (from Kalmar Union).^^
lisek005 3 years ago
I can talk about my nation but Nobody knows me? Ur fuckt up? Are u a retard or something?
Sweden have tha father of Modern Warfare! What does Poland have? Instead of an Fucked up History.
joonte1010 3 years ago
Instead of an Fucked up History?
Hmmm? Let see...fucked up neighbours.
erudalis 3 years ago 3
Fucked up neighbours who benefited from the weak Poland.
joonte1010 3 years ago
joonte1010:
I see U now nothing about history of Europe except some facts, but without it's context. Piece of brainless shit.
Show me a war with any german nation that Poland lost one-on-one first.
Do you remember Kircholm - when 3500 Poles defeted your fuckin' 12 000 big troops? Get over it - you suck polish bols in one-on-one war :)
mormirowski 3 years ago
tell that to all ur polish ancestors who got slaughtered by my ancestor.
Remember the Great Northern War? Sweden alone against Poland,Schasen,Russia,Denmark and we sure as hell kick u as easily as before in that war.
Do u remember the Battle of Chojnice?
The battle of Kircholm? ahaha , that Army was mostly build up by merceneries, and it was really backward. Sweden got strong after Gustav II Adolfs reform.
joonte1010 3 years ago
We didn't fight in Northern War :) It was Polish king war, we as a Polish nobility fucked this. We didn't came and fight - only king with small army of his, that wasn't made even by polish taxes.
I see you now history only of yours, not Poland so what the hell are you talking about.
In whole 17 century we had 80 years of Wars - with Sweden, Russians, Cossacks, Turks (that was on their golden age then) and we wone them most, so what the fuck you want to say? U now nothing. 13 years old Nazi gay
mormirowski 3 years ago
First of all boy, i am 20 years old.
And the Poles did fight in the Great Northern War, polish armies.
hmm have u never thought about one thing? All the wars where fought on ur mainland. In Poland. Sweden plundered ur Country back to stoneage. We were the winners in that war.
I know that the peseants revolted against us and forced us back to the sea. But we went home richer then beforewhile Poland ended the war weakier then before.
6 years old Communist Gay.
joonte1010 3 years ago
But the Polish king was a fucking German (August II) - didn't you notice that? he didn't care about Poland so he made a piece of shit. In normal situation you will lose - it's obvious :)
In this time Poland maybe was weaker but as I said we had to much wars to win because of our geopolitician situation.
mormirowski 3 years ago
And my nation at least was fighting with communist and in the end win that war, you were fucking neutral. So don't call me communist.
Btw. i'm 21.
mormirowski 3 years ago
i know that he was a German King (Schasen), But he was indeed King over Poland. And therefore, He was able to use some of ur armies, Which werent that good infront of the Swedes.
I take that "In normal situation you will lose - it's obvious"
because everybody can beat Polacks, Its an Historical fact ^^ Poland is probably the Country in Europe (Among the biggest ones) Who have lost most, and getting plundered most) in the History.
So much for ur ¨bullshit.
joonte1010 3 years ago
You say that you lost kircholm because of "bla bla bla" and you don't want to notice politican situation of Poland those time. That is why disscusion with you is so sensless.
If you will live in this territory, that we live you, will not even have a country for a ten years.
Yeah, we lose frome time to time, but the proportion of wins:lose is positive for us. And for you don't now but i know that you survived mostly because of your terrain, not who you were.
mormirowski 3 years ago
" you don't want to notice politican situation of Poland those time."
thats what i mean with fucked up Polish History. Ur History are just chaotic.
And Sweden had a smaller population then Poland back then, So dont come with ur bullshit.
joonte1010 3 years ago
Cedynia, Tannenberg, Secularization of Teutons, Kircholm, Oliva, Jasna Góra monastery. Yeah german nations rox xD
The Deluge was just because we had fucking hard uprising in Ukraine year before, and we lost 3/4 of Army (but won). But at least we won the Deluge.
Let better say, how many countries has to attack Poland at once to win with us?
mormirowski 3 years ago
Sweden crushed u when we were alone against Poland,Schachen,Russia,Denmark.
We fought Polish soldiers,German soldiers,Danish Soldiers,Russian Soldiers. Still we crushed everything untill Poltava.
joonte1010 3 years ago
He was involved in war as king of Sachsen, not as king of Poland-Lithuania. POland was formally neutral. Until you invaded that is; and of course then our army was sabotaging king's orders (Kliszow), and half of nobles again sided with Sweden ... Yes, our history since 1648 was reallu fucked up.
szopen76 3 years ago
Joonte1010 I wonder if the swedes said the same thing after the battle of Kirkholm...
dinmoster 3 years ago
The battle of Kircholn took place in the begining of 1600 Century, and it was mostly German Merceneries in that Army.
joonte1010 3 years ago
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I was just anwsering this and was trying to be funny but you didn't get it....
"because everybody can beat Polacks, Its an Historical fact ^^ Poland is probably the Country in Europe (Among the biggest ones) Who have lost most, and getting plundered most) in the History"
dinmoster 3 years ago
i think joonte1010 i neonazi. our brave pangerman coqueror
infobreaker 3 years ago
U think im a NeoNazi? Why?
joonte1010 3 years ago
you exaggerate all swedish victories and underplay polish ones. in your texts swedish are best, organised, allways victorious. polish are chaotic, weak and allways loosers. that way of thinkink leading to conclusion: swedish are kind of race of masters. just like nazi propaganda said
infobreaker 3 years ago 3
Check "Battle of Trzciana" 1629
ditzhastati 3 years ago 3
"Swedish internet worriors" , Fake proud , Fake honor , U have nothing from ur history , u was neutral always , u let germans come to ur country without fight-couse u was scared.
Pepiki północy.
lisek005 3 years ago 3
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U write like a retarded shit.
Compare Polands lousy History full of deafets and deafets.
With Swedens, a Nordic Countr Viking age, Our Crusaders age our Great Power age.
We have a more powerfull history then Poland.
joonte1010 3 years ago
u dont know polish history well ^^
"Great history" but u didint won the war ^^
Poland has wars with all of neighbours (Prussia , Moscow-Russia, Austria etc.).Of course with neghbours like that we lose ur independens but we never give up.
One thing "Vienna 1683" and u can put ur "Great history" to the pocket.
lisek005 3 years ago
Vienna? battles against Turks?
This is what Tsar Peter said, Fighting against Turks is one thing.. But fighting against Swedes? Thats different.
Ur country have been Europes victem.
joonte1010 3 years ago
Hadn't Poland won those wars against Sweden at last?
erudalis 3 years ago 2
joonte1010. What about Jomsborg? And Vikings serving for Chrobry(Polish King 1025- coronation date)after defeat- like dogs? What about Oliwa battle(1627) when our young fleet crushed yours? What about 1655 and your asses kicked away though the Baltic sea to Sweden? What about keeping killed Jews money in your banks? What about you men? You don't know even history of your contry, so shut up.
jarecki78pl 3 years ago 2
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look whos talking hahaha!
At the battle of Oliwa ur naval was bigger then the Swedish one, During the Deluge? We plundered ur Country back to stoneage and massacred ur Polacks.
What about the Estonian wars? We fucking took the baltic from ur cheap asses.
joonte1010 3 years ago
Does Sweden hs powerfull histor? HUauahauhauhauahuaauha Dont make me laught please ^^.Did u say about Sweden "german country"? huahauhauahahahuau.Ty mały kutasie bez szkoły ^^. What about Deluge, hmmm u didnt won this war so fuck off ^^
lisek005 3 years ago 3
Now, Silents infidel.
U have to know ur place in the sociaty, and it in below the Germanic man.
If u want to write to me, ask first.
joonte1010 3 years ago
part of the final treaty:"...in the name of Christ there will be no further disagreements between us(kingdom of sweden)and our brother jan casimir(kingdom of poland).(they both were brothers at birth).therefore there will be no requests regarding our territorial rights,dynastic rights or any other further forms of request....so help us God".if that is loseing,i don't know what winning is about.:)
msciciel14therope 3 years ago
yup,that swede guy is a bit retarted,but who cares? ;) You are full of pride bout deluge...i just remind you that you lost ;) like in the battle of Oliwa or Kircholm, so just stfu, this wasn't 30 years war..and all this german/slavic bullshit...chill out boy, or say it to my face,otherwise just shut up and don't get involve in discussions when you don't have any histrocial knowledge,k? ;*
echoes222 3 years ago
your knowledge of modern history is below all levels.:)look,boy:about 90% of polish casualties were civilians,executed by germans.you must be really sick person if you supporting such executions.
msciciel14therope 3 years ago
just because you were cooperating with germans,at that time you once more proved that you afraid of anyone who is stronger than you.cheap labour(not labourer?:))i finished one of the best schools in canada and i couldn't consider my self:"cheap labour",unless you are really reach.but the way you write...i don't think so.:)
msciciel14therope 3 years ago
"it means that we only lost arund 50-100 soliders"-for every each hour during the war.:)you f....brainless moron! i don't know what you mean by weakness,but as far as i see it,you are just big mouth imbecile.
msciciel14therope 3 years ago
what?
Sweden werent the ones who lost 2-3 million people boy, Know ur place in the sociaty when u speaking to a Swede, a Germanic Swede,, Cheap labour.
joonte1010 3 years ago
sweds got collection of flags?hehehe.fags that they are buying during sport events around the world,buhahaha!we lost so much people just because swedish army killed so many civilians(they were acting like germans during II WW)
msciciel14therope 3 years ago
A big collection, of flags we counquered from the enemies we killed in battles.
I dont give a shit about how my ancestors acted towards Poles, We were the same against the Germans during 30 years war. We did it to get wealthy.
joonte1010 3 years ago
if you didn't run like a f....chicken shit what are your military flags doing till today in poland?:)(including flag of great admiral,flag of great kingdom and flag of field marshall-total,about 100)in western knight code loseing flag means loseing honour.
msciciel14therope 3 years ago
what? Ur fucking weird :S Ur putting up statements u have got from ur slavic weakling head.
Sweden have the greatest collection of war captured flags and banners in the World.. In our Military Museum, and u start talking about some flaggs Poland have?? hahahaha :P
joonte1010 3 years ago
minimum swedsh losses means what?50%?(typical for sweds):)
don't call me stupid because people may think that i'am your brother.:)stupid fuck!
msciciel14therope 3 years ago
"minimum swedsh losses means what?50%?(typical for sweds):)"
Swedes are of Germanic Heritage, not slavic..
It means that we only lost around 50-100 Soldiers.
lol, Ur to ugly, to slavic, to weak to ever bee my Brother ^^ Slav.
joonte1010 3 years ago
bottle of chojnice was typical example of swedish dishonour.sweds attacked unarmed nobelmen during catholic holiday,while ongoing treaty.there were very limited numbers of regular army on polish side.
msciciel14therope 3 years ago
"bottle of chojnice"
an ordinaty battle which we won.
joonte1010 3 years ago
your imagination is limitless!:)you needed scottish and germans because you were afraid of us,hehehe.
msciciel14therope 3 years ago
"your imagination is limitless!:)you needed scottish and germans because you were afraid of us,hehehe."
Sure we were, We ust invaded ur country through the entiry 17th Century and plundered it and killed Poles.
During the Deluge, i heard that over 1/2 million Poles got killed XD hahaha!
joonte1010 3 years ago
try invading us again, mother fucker, and you will be sorry you ever tried! Polish pride, bitch, you better remember that! You try invading again, we'll kick your ass right back to Sweden, and invade your piss ass country!
Philly2002 3 years ago
Weakling. 1 Swede owns 10 Poles.
joonte1010 3 years ago
Bitch, @ Kirchholm, for every Pole, at least 15 Swedes fell. You piece of shit, come over to Poland and say this. Joonte, what a panzy ass name. Modern day Swedes are nothign compared to their viking ancestors. Nothing but neutral cunts, who can't even fight a war anymore. Let Poland and the others who know how to fight, keep fighting, and you just stand back and be a bitch with Switzerland all those other neutral pussies.
Philly2002 3 years ago
haha Polack, Ur Country have only got themself invaded or Counquered, an Easy target for any Country who whats to plunder a litle.
Philly? Sounds like a Black mans name during the Slave days in America hahaha!
Ey Boy!
joonte1010 3 years ago
If you knew your geography better, you twat, you'd know Poland is between Germany and Russia, two powers. Who did Sweden ever have, hiding way up in the north like that? Finland? Give me a break, your country is just a bunch of fucking criminals. You killed innocent women and children, stole, and ran back and hid like the stupid blonde cunts you are. You have no honor.
Philly2002 3 years ago