The fact that you are arguing that MONARCHISM is somehow LEFT WING should make any person who passed high school civics immediately recognize you as doublespeak propaganda, almost certainly Koch-funded. The very etymology of left wing originally denoted members of the French Assembly who most ardently supported democratic rule, and OPPOSED the monarchy and any sort of limited ruling class.
So a republic is correct because the government gains more control? but I thought they said that leftist / democratic beliefs are cause for more government control in the beginning of the video comparing them to fascists / socialists... And also, I believe that the jury in the end would be considered a democracy... Majority rules. Am I right? and of course he says "Lynch Mob in a democracy"... Trying to throw in every brainwashing, subliminal, and Irrelevant example of a democracy. STRAMEN.
Freedom is restricted by law, the point of law being to stop you doing things you wouldn't want done to people in your society. That is a loss of freedom, and in most cases justified, of course.
I declare propaganda at 3:12 How must someone assume anarchy automates violence and thievery? Are we not human beings? As well, suppose someone born into anarchy knows nothing of another form? Don't reply, just spam it
@akusuijin There are a lot of people I would do horrible things to given the chance. These range from murder to rape and sometimes both. I would also steal some stuff if I could get away with it too.
Defining the politic only by the degree of governement intervention is a form of reductionnism and a mistake. And in a republic like in United-States there is always a little group of men with a lot of money to influence those who make law.
This is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever seen. Anyone who lives in a democracy has the right to a fair trial, and in the case of Australian voting you need more than just 50 percent. Everyone second choice of party must be considered during an election. Democracy also have a monarch and in the case of the nations in the commonwealth the Queen has the power to pull out the Prime Minister if he where to send the country into communism. Republican rule does not have this safety.
@thedoctorwho1 The king an queen in britain are a joke. If they every disagreed with the elected officials of the people, they'd be dead. Britain is a Constitutional, Parlamentary, Monarch.
Only pure liberty can overcome the problems of society. The blueprints of the state consists of mere and raw usage of violence. Libertarianism has done nothing but boost the size of government. How else could the US governement become the most powerful in the world? By harvesting freedom in the first place. There is but one truly free society, it is that of anarchy based on liberty and capitalism.
How else could the US governement become the most powerful in the world? Truly the OPPOSITE, by harvesting SLAVERY in the first place, and then ABOLISHING IT to claim that it is through their system that they became the most powerful nation in the world.
Slavery is not productive. The obvious lack of incentives slavery causes compared to mutual deals could not possibly create more wealth. Slavery does not create wealth; it merely subjugates a group. An unfree individual will always externalize it's discontentment; this is very obvious when watching children develop under authoritarian parenting and comparing them to less imposing forms of parenting.
Slavery is not productive? Salves WERE FORCED to be productive, otherwise, they were KILLED. Slaves had the incentive to work NOT TO BE KILLED. In fact, slavery contributed so much to the economy that most plantation owners, also known as overseers, turned to auction blocks to buy slaves as a cheap and effective method of increasing their productivity! Costs of goods sold? VIRTUALLY ZERO. Whoo-ray! Good job America, keep on lying....
You really think slaves weren't victim of mental depressions and lack of sense of purpose? Even if a slave is the most productive of all slaves doesn't change the fact he will still externalize his discontent in a form or another. Even animals aren't productive when they live in a limited space, their meat isn't exactly the most tender anyway. Even a dead unhappy animal is less productive than a dead happy one. Plus, force reduces IQ; can't expect high level techs to be efficient slaves.
The fallacy refuted was the following: "Slavery is not productive". The reality is that slavery WAS productive; otherwise, plantation owners wouldn't have bought them in the first place. You said: "Even animals aren't productive when they live in a limited space, their meat isn't exactly the most tender anyway". By selecting the strongest slaves and by nourishing them appropriately, does not deny the fact that they were still treated like animals and were still productive.
Stronger slaves aren't the majority. Productive slaves aren't the majority. There is no way a "productive" slave could possibly manage more tasks; a team, machinery without endless security costs and some forms of protection. The slave knows better what to do with himself if he is free and employed. Central planning of slavery has failed in many regimes; Hitler, Stalin have tried it and many deaths insued. Large scale slavery has always failed, i don't see how small scale is different.
[1] Stronger slaves ARE the majority. That's how they were selected in the first place from Africa. Historical facts not words: By 1840, cotton is more valuable than everything else the United States exports put together, so the value of slaves is tremendous. By the time of the Civil War, by 1860, the dollar value of slave property is greater than the dollar value of all of Americas railroads, all of Americas banks, all of Americas manufacturing put together.
Slavery is more effective than technology? More effective than the costs of breeding or capturing? More effective than independant workers? Central planning works? (Stalin...) More effective than the costs of replacement? It's more effective to have slaves under no form of protection from accidents than with? More effective than the costs of fighting slave resistance? I'll bring up more invisible costs as they pop in my mind.
[2] "...slavery is no sideshow in American society. It is very much the main event, and the cotton crop that slaves produced makes America important to the world". "American South by 1860 produces seven eighths of the worlds cotton. Now, thats equivalent of OPEC today and oil."
[1] I'm glad you rephrased your statement. NOW we're having an argument. And of course, we agree... slavery is not as productive as freedom. I never said slavery was more effective than technology and I never said it was more innovative. What you overlook is the IMPACT slavery had on the economy. That is a HISTORICAL FACT we can't deny. Another element you're ignoring, is that at that time, cutting-edge technology was not available, and many even considered slavery as "the necessary evil"....
Well in this sense, we can reasonably agree. For a while i thought i was debating a pro slavery demon, hahaha. Well i can see more clearly what you're defending,
And I'm only considering one factor that contributed tremendously to the economy of the United States. I'm not even taking into account the HISTORICAL FACT that when the settlers arrived to North America, they KILLED hundreds of thousands of NATIVE AMERICANS and STOLE their economic resources. Pretty cool huh?
I agree in the sense that the wealth is saturated into few hands, so these individuals are wealthier; but society as a whole is not. One less human being is a life worth of labor down the crapper.
Remember the costs of weaponry of the guards. The costs of the guards not producing themselves. I don't care that cotton was a great asset to produce, it does not mean it couldn't have been better.
I'm not exactly ignoring it, i was attempting to point out how liberty is superior to slavery. I was merely attempting to show the hidden losses from slavery compared to liberty. I was wondering why one would defend "slavery" over liberty when it seems morally beneficial to look at the bright side of liberty, other than for pointing out historical facts. I appreciate your intellectual honestly although it ; at first, made you appear as a demon, and i apologize for my assumptions.
I'm not against freedom, you totally misunderstood me. But it is not the republic capitalist system that made the United States "the most powerful nation in the world." That's my opinion based on facts.
Especially because a capitalist system is supposed to defend liberty and not the other way around. This video is wrong in stating that those were the initial principles of the founding fathers, when the same "founding fathers" owned slaves (Thomas Jefferson for example). Therefore, there is a clear contradiction right there.
"In the days before the discovery of germs, gangrene
was an omnipresent danger whenever the skin was broken". Life expectansy was of about 5 years for freshly captured slaves. The "strong ones" were indeed at a high cost. And you do not cover this. Even if the slave owner does not bear the cost, society does. Slaves became empirically more effective if their freedom was promised; which aids my point on incentives and externality.
The United States had three important historical stages of development: Agricultural, Industrial and Service-Oriented (which is the current stage). Therefore, it was precisely SLAVERY (Agricultural Stage) the economic engine that helped to enrich the "most powerful nation in the world".
Also, you have to look into the fact slaves didn't pay any taxes. Women didn't pay taxes either. Now they do. It is in the government's interest to have additional taxpayers to leech their power from.
Look at the example of the video, a ship wrecks and the person that was on board reaches the coast of an island. In his desperation to SURVIVE, he PRODUCES something to eat. Therefore, he WAS productive.
Some slaves will still resist, flee, you need to keep a constant watch on them; that is a waste by itself. Human beings externalise their internal problems consistently. The survivor is not a slave; he manages EVERYTHING. Without a mutual bond, there can't possibly be improvements on productivity. Slavery cannot lead to professionalism. Slaves tend to die more often, and require replacement and years to train. It's well documented that your points are refutable, you're being unreasonable.
I love this video and I love you, Scoforever, for posting it. You are a true patriot for all Americans regardless of color, race, creed or religion. Please stick to your values of 'live and let live'. It is the only way people will ever experience true freedom. Again, I thank you on the behalf of all true American patriots. Keep spreading the truth and its sensibility. Those who didn't understand it at first, like me, will eventually realize how important liberty is. Keep it up :0)
The fact that you are arguing that MONARCHISM is somehow LEFT WING should make any person who passed high school civics immediately recognize you as doublespeak propaganda, almost certainly Koch-funded. The very etymology of left wing originally denoted members of the French Assembly who most ardently supported democratic rule, and OPPOSED the monarchy and any sort of limited ruling class.
trilobright 2 months ago
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CloverfieldMonster95 3 months ago
BIASED! BIASED! BIASED! BIASED! BIASED! BIASED! BIASED! BIASED!
Adeikov 6 months ago
ancient greeks is a bunch of mythology bullshit. Founding fathers ftw
YourRSTV 1 year ago
Oligarchy, Oligarchy everywhere
peppermintjohn666 1 year ago
This excerpt from "Overview of America" is one of the best videos produced by The John Birch Society.
1Bircher 1 year ago
It seems like this piece is meant to compare republicans to democrats, saying republicans are better. It's really quite biased.
gerbennap 1 year ago
nice propaganda lol
PointlessRiot 1 year ago 9
@PointlessRiot yes, your spoon fed politically correct liberalism that you were indoctrinated with was a nice form of propadanda wasn't it?
fingerp5 10 months ago
So a republic is correct because the government gains more control? but I thought they said that leftist / democratic beliefs are cause for more government control in the beginning of the video comparing them to fascists / socialists... And also, I believe that the jury in the end would be considered a democracy... Majority rules. Am I right? and of course he says "Lynch Mob in a democracy"... Trying to throw in every brainwashing, subliminal, and Irrelevant example of a democracy. STRAMEN.
questionnoanswer 1 year ago
'Without Law, there can be no freedom'
This is the dumbest thing i have ever heard.
Freedom is restricted by law, the point of law being to stop you doing things you wouldn't want done to people in your society. That is a loss of freedom, and in most cases justified, of course.
ThMrksman 1 year ago
@ThMrksman Without law, you are nailed down. Guarding your property as an example they give you. Having law, gives you a greater net freedom.
Mavousandraxidias 1 year ago
This is wrong
themooddisorders 1 year ago
I declare propaganda at 3:12 How must someone assume anarchy automates violence and thievery? Are we not human beings? As well, suppose someone born into anarchy knows nothing of another form? Don't reply, just spam it
akusuijin 1 year ago
@akusuijin There are a lot of people I would do horrible things to given the chance. These range from murder to rape and sometimes both. I would also steal some stuff if I could get away with it too.
Mavousandraxidias 1 year ago
Defining the politic only by the degree of governement intervention is a form of reductionnism and a mistake. And in a republic like in United-States there is always a little group of men with a lot of money to influence those who make law.
louis1595 1 year ago
This is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever seen. Anyone who lives in a democracy has the right to a fair trial, and in the case of Australian voting you need more than just 50 percent. Everyone second choice of party must be considered during an election. Democracy also have a monarch and in the case of the nations in the commonwealth the Queen has the power to pull out the Prime Minister if he where to send the country into communism. Republican rule does not have this safety.
thedoctorwho1 1 year ago
@thedoctorwho1 The king an queen in britain are a joke. If they every disagreed with the elected officials of the people, they'd be dead. Britain is a Constitutional, Parlamentary, Monarch.
Mavousandraxidias 1 year ago
Only pure liberty can overcome the problems of society. The blueprints of the state consists of mere and raw usage of violence. Libertarianism has done nothing but boost the size of government. How else could the US governement become the most powerful in the world? By harvesting freedom in the first place. There is but one truly free society, it is that of anarchy based on liberty and capitalism.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
How else could the US governement become the most powerful in the world? Truly the OPPOSITE, by harvesting SLAVERY in the first place, and then ABOLISHING IT to claim that it is through their system that they became the most powerful nation in the world.
fierced1989 2 years ago
Slavery is not productive. The obvious lack of incentives slavery causes compared to mutual deals could not possibly create more wealth. Slavery does not create wealth; it merely subjugates a group. An unfree individual will always externalize it's discontentment; this is very obvious when watching children develop under authoritarian parenting and comparing them to less imposing forms of parenting.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
Slavery is not productive? Salves WERE FORCED to be productive, otherwise, they were KILLED. Slaves had the incentive to work NOT TO BE KILLED. In fact, slavery contributed so much to the economy that most plantation owners, also known as overseers, turned to auction blocks to buy slaves as a cheap and effective method of increasing their productivity! Costs of goods sold? VIRTUALLY ZERO. Whoo-ray! Good job America, keep on lying....
fierced1989 2 years ago
You really think slaves weren't victim of mental depressions and lack of sense of purpose? Even if a slave is the most productive of all slaves doesn't change the fact he will still externalize his discontent in a form or another. Even animals aren't productive when they live in a limited space, their meat isn't exactly the most tender anyway. Even a dead unhappy animal is less productive than a dead happy one. Plus, force reduces IQ; can't expect high level techs to be efficient slaves.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
The fallacy refuted was the following: "Slavery is not productive". The reality is that slavery WAS productive; otherwise, plantation owners wouldn't have bought them in the first place. You said: "Even animals aren't productive when they live in a limited space, their meat isn't exactly the most tender anyway". By selecting the strongest slaves and by nourishing them appropriately, does not deny the fact that they were still treated like animals and were still productive.
fierced1989 2 years ago
Stronger slaves aren't the majority. Productive slaves aren't the majority. There is no way a "productive" slave could possibly manage more tasks; a team, machinery without endless security costs and some forms of protection. The slave knows better what to do with himself if he is free and employed. Central planning of slavery has failed in many regimes; Hitler, Stalin have tried it and many deaths insued. Large scale slavery has always failed, i don't see how small scale is different.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
[1] Stronger slaves ARE the majority. That's how they were selected in the first place from Africa. Historical facts not words: By 1840, cotton is more valuable than everything else the United States exports put together, so the value of slaves is tremendous. By the time of the Civil War, by 1860, the dollar value of slave property is greater than the dollar value of all of Americas railroads, all of Americas banks, all of Americas manufacturing put together.
fierced1989 2 years ago
Slavery is more effective than technology? More effective than the costs of breeding or capturing? More effective than independant workers? Central planning works? (Stalin...) More effective than the costs of replacement? It's more effective to have slaves under no form of protection from accidents than with? More effective than the costs of fighting slave resistance? I'll bring up more invisible costs as they pop in my mind.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
[2] "...slavery is no sideshow in American society. It is very much the main event, and the cotton crop that slaves produced makes America important to the world". "American South by 1860 produces seven eighths of the worlds cotton. Now, thats equivalent of OPEC today and oil."
James Oliver Horton, Ph.D., historian on
the economic impact of slavery.
fierced1989 2 years ago
Okay, i'll rephrase, slavery is not as productive as freedom if this is your problem here.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
[1] I'm glad you rephrased your statement. NOW we're having an argument. And of course, we agree... slavery is not as productive as freedom. I never said slavery was more effective than technology and I never said it was more innovative. What you overlook is the IMPACT slavery had on the economy. That is a HISTORICAL FACT we can't deny. Another element you're ignoring, is that at that time, cutting-edge technology was not available, and many even considered slavery as "the necessary evil"....
fierced1989 2 years ago
Well in this sense, we can reasonably agree. For a while i thought i was debating a pro slavery demon, hahaha. Well i can see more clearly what you're defending,
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
And I'm only considering one factor that contributed tremendously to the economy of the United States. I'm not even taking into account the HISTORICAL FACT that when the settlers arrived to North America, they KILLED hundreds of thousands of NATIVE AMERICANS and STOLE their economic resources. Pretty cool huh?
fierced1989 2 years ago
And killing is productive?
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
It depends, but it could be certainly used to steal economic resources. You do not produce but you acquire more wealth.
fierced1989 2 years ago
I agree in the sense that the wealth is saturated into few hands, so these individuals are wealthier; but society as a whole is not. One less human being is a life worth of labor down the crapper.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
Remember the costs of weaponry of the guards. The costs of the guards not producing themselves. I don't care that cotton was a great asset to produce, it does not mean it couldn't have been better.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
The opportunity cost was LESSER than the profits derived from slavery. Again you are ignoring that fact.
fierced1989 2 years ago
I'm not exactly ignoring it, i was attempting to point out how liberty is superior to slavery. I was merely attempting to show the hidden losses from slavery compared to liberty. I was wondering why one would defend "slavery" over liberty when it seems morally beneficial to look at the bright side of liberty, other than for pointing out historical facts. I appreciate your intellectual honestly although it ; at first, made you appear as a demon, and i apologize for my assumptions.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
I'm not against freedom, you totally misunderstood me. But it is not the republic capitalist system that made the United States "the most powerful nation in the world." That's my opinion based on facts.
fierced1989 2 years ago
Especially because a capitalist system is supposed to defend liberty and not the other way around. This video is wrong in stating that those were the initial principles of the founding fathers, when the same "founding fathers" owned slaves (Thomas Jefferson for example). Therefore, there is a clear contradiction right there.
fierced1989 2 years ago
@fierced1989 No one ever said they weren't hypocrites.
Mavousandraxidias 1 year ago
"In the days before the discovery of germs, gangrene
was an omnipresent danger whenever the skin was broken". Life expectansy was of about 5 years for freshly captured slaves. The "strong ones" were indeed at a high cost. And you do not cover this. Even if the slave owner does not bear the cost, society does. Slaves became empirically more effective if their freedom was promised; which aids my point on incentives and externality.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
The United States had three important historical stages of development: Agricultural, Industrial and Service-Oriented (which is the current stage). Therefore, it was precisely SLAVERY (Agricultural Stage) the economic engine that helped to enrich the "most powerful nation in the world".
fierced1989 2 years ago
Again my point does not try to prove that slavery was more productive or efficient than freedom.
fierced1989 2 years ago
Also, you have to look into the fact slaves didn't pay any taxes. Women didn't pay taxes either. Now they do. It is in the government's interest to have additional taxpayers to leech their power from.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
Look at the example of the video, a ship wrecks and the person that was on board reaches the coast of an island. In his desperation to SURVIVE, he PRODUCES something to eat. Therefore, he WAS productive.
fierced1989 2 years ago
The irrefutable and historical facts are: Slavery was productive and they CONTRIBUTED considerably to the economy of the United States.
fierced1989 2 years ago
Some slaves will still resist, flee, you need to keep a constant watch on them; that is a waste by itself. Human beings externalise their internal problems consistently. The survivor is not a slave; he manages EVERYTHING. Without a mutual bond, there can't possibly be improvements on productivity. Slavery cannot lead to professionalism. Slaves tend to die more often, and require replacement and years to train. It's well documented that your points are refutable, you're being unreasonable.
ExquisiteDoom 2 years ago
I love this video and I love you, Scoforever, for posting it. You are a true patriot for all Americans regardless of color, race, creed or religion. Please stick to your values of 'live and let live'. It is the only way people will ever experience true freedom. Again, I thank you on the behalf of all true American patriots. Keep spreading the truth and its sensibility. Those who didn't understand it at first, like me, will eventually realize how important liberty is. Keep it up :0)
Mauhadeeb28 2 years ago