if you say savior let him win, then you dont know SC
savior started fixing matches 'after' this final.
Bisu is the best PvZ player in the world, and the best in history, no other protoss can rape zerg this badly even vs Jaedong, whos the best Z player ever. so how can you say savior threw the game? Bisu won it.
Wow Savior's APM isn't that great lol. Not that APM determines skill, just weird to see a Bonjwa with such slow APM. For progaming standards that is lol.
Suppose say... Mr B won many Medals and victories in a long career in the Olympics. One day in 1988, the police finds evidence that he cheated in a competition in Seoul. The authorities remove his latest Gold Medal. Irregardless, whether he keeps or is forced to return previous titles is not important to me. I will be under the impression that he must have cheated more than once but is caught once. That is enough.
Seriously, I appreciate your replies. But do calm down. No anger ok?
1. 6 months ago, you were right; just rumours. Now, match fixing is or hopefully was a reality in e-Sports.
2. Ben Johnson cheated in Seoul 1988. I don't doubt your knowledge of StarCraft's build. In fact, you sound obsessed. But for me, I understand integrity is important, not greed or cheating to fix a match. Can you imagine all players cheat just to win a StarLeague? Thats bad.
please stfu, your rumors are plain wrong and your views are also plain wrong. savior not anyone else did match fixing till 2009 and this has been proven. How is this game even prove savior did matchfixing then? this series specifically changed the way pvz was played, youre just some idiot who started watching starcraft this year and think you know everything. stop your rambling please
Well, now that we know sAviOr did lose on purpose, the entire game becam so meaningless. What's more disappointing is, that I was cheering for Bisu and was happy when he won. Now I feel so fucked, it makes me angry!
@tal91 this game is being specifically investigated by the police. For me, it is confirmed rigged because it matches the time that sAviOr was receiving bribes to fix matches.
@seabard77 3 months ago, u can call it rumours. now, KeSPA has removed all SaviOr's records in MSL/OSL/PL so this match does not even count, not official and thus is rigged. If the integrity of a player is already exposed, all his matches are fixed.
because he was involved in fixing, KESPA wanted all of his records off.
Do you want me to actually pull links and prove that time savior was involved in fixing was long after this match?
and do you understand this logic.
Bisu style changed PvZ flow for a year until they discovered that hydra all in was effective against it and Jaedong invented Neo sauron. (Watch Bisu vs Jaedong in blue storm)
Do you seriously think Savior fixed this match to lose?
@seabard77 Exactly, you are right this time. I do think that this match is fixed. That is a YouTube comment by me. The links you can try, its up to you. Its hard to explain to you the general views in Korea, that no one believes Ma any more, even though he has lots of fans in the past but KeSpa decide to sack him. Why? He has no integrity. And you sound very angry, are you depressed by my comments? If I upset you, I apologize for my frank views.
Yes, I seriously think Ma fixed this match to lose to Kim. Why do you sound like a angry person? I am so puzzled. SaviOr fixed matches since day one. Before you go in a YouTube rage, here is stating that this is my opinion. Why I say this. He kept replays of his team mates like Effort, Xellos, Much. He then sold them to other teams & outsiders.
@WanderingHealer1945 haha shut up dude your stupid, it was said that they payed savior 2 - 3 gs for losing, msl win is 50 million Korean won, about 40 k US. haha think about that,.
@aznxboix188 and did u know the 50 million korean won is shared in CJ Entus? and did u know Ma can bet an undisclose sum of himself losing since the odds are higher thus higher winning?
@WanderingHealer1945 did you know that savior gets to get at least half of the earnings, and half of it use for the house, did you know that this was 3 years ago, and it didnt even start back then, did you know that you are. wait. basically. wrong.
The main reason he runs zerglings into Bisu's base is to get rid of some supply for stronger units...are you a freakin idiot?
The main reason is that he wants to scout. He needs to know what Bisu is doing inside his base. Playing blind will get you demolished. As for making room for stronger units, get a f*ckin overlord you noob. I'd love to play you and have you sacrifice all your zerglings and lurkers to get a couple ultralisks so you don't have to make an overlord.
i like watching to see not only their micro, but their macro. See how they work their entire army from tech'nm expanding to coordination of fights. Really do learn how the pros play.
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the gay thing is pros dont watch their units fight which means in fpvods when the commentators are screaming about nexus and spire saviors screen is just somewhere else and youre like "WTF IS HAPPENING"
APM is a rough measure of how quickly you can make choices and enact them. Making choices is purely mental/reflex (reflex if you've trained that particular choice to be made subconsciously, which is much faster), and enacting them is a measure of manual dexterity.
Manual dexterity is rarely the bottleneck, though. The APM-killer is indecision, which comes from lack of confidence, which comes from not knowing what to do.
Its rather hard to be able to preform all the things you want to at times.
I'd say that there is a roof for whats possible in terms of APM, 800amp as an example is just impossible.
Then there is a personal roof that is determined by your brain. With that i mean that theres a point where you run out of things you want to do with your APM.
So I belive APM is a product of practice, but once you reach your mental limit, there is no point going further with your APM.
APM definitely is important in starcraft. APM tells how many things you can possibly do in one minute. even if ur spamming, if you spam constantly, you will find yourself finding things to do that you never thought to do before. the higher ur apm is, the better ur micro tends to be and thats what seperates the good players from the noobs.
APM has a soft cap in relation to your actual skillin terms of doing stuff by the bare minimum. If you have 70 apm and are an amazing player you will obviously do better with 170, mostly past that is spam.
There is corsair-reaver that requires a good 200+ none spam just because so much micro and control is required. But otherwise i agree, Bisu is at 300+ stork is at 250+ and Stork does win a lot.
This was when savior was absolutely dominating korean starcraft; and bisu beat him in straight sets. The revolutionist strikes again! Of course Bisu's play in the past month has been iffy, he just lost to go.go but he is still a monster. And has anyone else been following Efforts play at all? Man has been destructive
that sexy split....... how does he deselect the drones.. his not using the shift key then deselecting by clicking the drones portraits.. right? his doing something else.. something slick give it to meeee!
As a zerg player u can really experience what sAviOr must have felt during the game. sooo frustrating abt the loss since he played so well and so hard. btw I think it really helps a lot when u look @ replays of the games u just played, and especially if u lose its a bit like a habit or an impulse to watch the replay to see where u hav gone wrong & what the opponent was doing (especially a rival like bisu u really want to know when and where u can do something)
savior was doing really well, but...Bisu really pulled it. sair harass was seriously fruitful. dt against zerg? Bisu must really have been doing something right, or just lucky, but prolly through skill.
meh not that key, savior had started his Muta's. What was key was Saviors early 4th and his poor decisions against the sair/dt (bad ovie position at his nat, decision to go lurk ling in the face of sair/dt, decision for Mutas...)
Not to say he played badly, I mean, he'd never seen the build executed so well before, he didn't have a build planned out to counter it.
How do you get reflexes like this? Just years of playing, or is there a special method for being able to move the mouse and select things really quickly?
maybe jut years of playing and constant practice, i beleive thiss progamers practice 10 hours a day,makes thier hands so keen yet so fast, i think they play the game by memory and its become an instinct for them
you have to train your apm (actions per minute) and practice all day. The instinct comment is dead on too, watched a documentary on Starcraft Korea. Regular people base their actions on what they see on screen (brain activity was checked btw), while the pro gamers are pure instinct. You can look up apm counters online if you really want.
Sorry for the misunderstanding... I am talking about Bisu compared to the other progamers not to me ofcourse :D I have no idea of my APM but i gues it's probably arount 60 (no clue at all) though i heard some progames have around 800 APM (not sure about that) I like how Bisu ownz with his 300 :D meaning APM is not everything!!!
I know, lower skill level players shouldn't focus on what their apm is. It will scale with time, the better you get at the game, the more multitasking you can do and the easier it is for you to keep track.
hes slow compared to others pros, and if you watch pro zergs like jaedong with 350apm u see its much faster than his faked 800 apm which is physically not possible
I'm not saying apm is useful. I have 200 apm and lose to people with 100 apm. At the same time, i can beat people with 300. It's just an indication of how fast you are when playing.
As I've said before you can click faster then actually doing something.
And Apm is completely useless, I play with 320 apm with terran (mostly spam) versus my brother he has at most 170 apm, and he'll probably always beat me because he has "faster" reactions.
When you are in a micro war, and you need to macro we'll see how much high apm does for your "fast" reactions.
Actually savior is one of the slowest progamers in Starcraft. He averages around 250 APM, but his actions are all useful ones, so he can compete with and at his peak, dominate everyone else.
Brilliant strategy, bisu makes DTs, forcing savior to produce mutas, in which he counters with anti air. Always one step ahead. The only thing that could have saved savior was a few more lurkers =[.
nah savior knew within the first second, but could not move due to slow move hydra & ovey. he expanded too fast vs standard pvz. not nonstop harass. just efficient and dangerous
"playing starcraft gives you a condition called split concentration.. which is actually very bad for you & when it comes down to things such as studying your fked. "
hmm i wonder if thats true ^^
I wonder if playing starcraft isnt also upgrading your all concentration skills which are vry usefull for studying h`m ...
The DT/Sair style requires very delicate control to work; a task only achievable by gosus like Bisu. This style does counter Zerg the most, however. Nal_Ra's classic style of PvZ is almost powerful vs zergs that expand crazily to overwhelm the protoss forces.
Yea its always a mystery to me how efficient Savior is with his game. When you look at Savior's FPVOD's you will just feel smooth transitions from build to micro to movement and attack of units.
Not like many other players whose screen movements are really jerky and may cause eptileptic seizures in kids haha.
Bisu kicked ass, great protoss player, my personal favorite after anytime. His DTs is just so fluent, he deserved this win as well as earn it. In fact, he deserved all three.
Savior's apm may be pretty low for a progamer, but he uses it at as close to 100 percent efficiency as humanly possible. He's just unbelievable. Sadly, he seems to be in his slump now.
Wrong. His tech is usually fine, Savior lost this match because of the macro harassment from Bisu, that was a huge distraction for him and forced him out of his comfort zone.
This is kind of eerie to watch, knowing sAviOr can never compete again. :(
INTOtheVOID11 5 days ago
No muta micro lolz
Beniu09 1 month ago
it is sick to think that he is considered a low APM player
Melancolia793 2 months ago
@Melancolia793 he actually looks kinda slow ....
ikameozero 1 week ago
Guys, the real skill in this game is not how Bisu completely controlled the game, but how Savior left the game so fast after typing in "gg"
digimon969 6 months ago
@digimon969 enter>gg>enter>alt+q>q
it's just 6 keypresses. not that hard.
rorcon 5 months ago
the most epic sc match of all time !
phamduc1987 6 months ago
This is a little bit of starcraft history... Crazy how one man, Bisu, was able to change the way the game was played.
JungleTerrain 7 months ago
damn savior must've been thinking
"WTF IS THIS GAY SHIT"
gamapg 9 months ago
at the end he saw that pylon and left
arclite1entity 9 months ago
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XvBOOMvX 8 months ago
@arclite1entity nope actually when he saw the pylon he knew there was another nexus duh..
a zerg thats rather poor and getting expo killed cant beat 4 nexus so he gged
XvBOOMvX 8 months ago
if you say savior let him win, then you dont know SC
savior started fixing matches 'after' this final.
Bisu is the best PvZ player in the world, and the best in history, no other protoss can rape zerg this badly even vs Jaedong, whos the best Z player ever. so how can you say savior threw the game? Bisu won it.
brianious 10 months ago
This match/final and build changed ZvP metagame forever.
tomken91 1 year ago 2
was this game rigged?
ViciousZeroEnder 1 year ago
@ViciousZeroEnder yes savior threw it
DeadbeatXT 1 year ago
savior could have done so much better. after game he also mentioned he made too many mistakes
iorify 1 year ago
fuck savior for match fixing.
whooshx2 1 year ago
@whooshx2 fuck you
meatissodumb 1 year ago
btw what the hell is he writing in those last seconds?
GraniteAge 1 year ago
@GraniteAge gg...
outbreak02 1 year ago
Wow Savior's APM isn't that great lol. Not that APM determines skill, just weird to see a Bonjwa with such slow APM. For progaming standards that is lol.
L337Zealot 1 year ago
i dont understand this one. Who won? Why did he left game? there was a lot of things left... please someone explain me, im new to sc
GraniteAge 1 year ago
@GraniteAge 1. he left because he lost already (he had no chances to win = lose).
2. bisu (protoss) won the game.
Mun885 1 year ago
Lol,screaming for 1 overlord 9:24
nukemell 1 year ago
@nukemell I hope you know it's cuz a DT was on the way and that was the only ovie around.. ;;
makeone88 1 year ago
@nukemell they were screaming at the lurks being taken out at the nexus...
REIsen24 1 year ago
@nukemell They scream over Nexus 9:21. They dont see it from our point of view.
Kkosta 1 year ago
Lol,screaming for 1 overlord
nukemell 1 year ago
@Onek1Ss eh only makes you better :P
Yoonjin90 1 year ago
Jesus Christ.
Bring me a link that proves this match was fixed(not some crappy forum crap).
I will bring you a link that clarifies the time savior started fixing matches
long after this game. k?
seabard77 1 year ago
@seabard77
Suppose say... Mr B won many Medals and victories in a long career in the Olympics. One day in 1988, the police finds evidence that he cheated in a competition in Seoul. The authorities remove his latest Gold Medal. Irregardless, whether he keeps or is forced to return previous titles is not important to me. I will be under the impression that he must have cheated more than once but is caught once. That is enough.
Seriously, I appreciate your replies. But do calm down. No anger ok?
WanderingHealer1945 1 year ago
@WanderingHealer1945
1. you're spreading rumors about stuffs that you have no idea, and disgracing not only Savior(whom I don't really care) but also Bisu.
Don't spread false rumors.. you really have no real information about this issue stop making other ppl believe rumors too.
2. Saying that Mr B. crap means you didn't even watch starcraft back then.
If you don't understand don't talk. I'm not a Bisu fan but if you understand any part of PvZ back then, you wouldn't say this was a fixed one.
seabard77 1 year ago
@seabard77
1. 6 months ago, you were right; just rumours. Now, match fixing is or hopefully was a reality in e-Sports.
2. Ben Johnson cheated in Seoul 1988. I don't doubt your knowledge of StarCraft's build. In fact, you sound obsessed. But for me, I understand integrity is important, not greed or cheating to fix a match. Can you imagine all players cheat just to win a StarLeague? Thats bad.
WanderingHealer1945 1 year ago
@WanderingHealer1945
Savior fixed matches in 2009 only, this was in 2007.
elan2000 1 year ago 2
@WanderingHealer1945
please stfu, your rumors are plain wrong and your views are also plain wrong. savior not anyone else did match fixing till 2009 and this has been proven. How is this game even prove savior did matchfixing then? this series specifically changed the way pvz was played, youre just some idiot who started watching starcraft this year and think you know everything. stop your rambling please
Undeadtaro 1 year ago 7
@seabard77
when did savior start fixing matches?
whooshx2 1 year ago
@whooshx2 This Finals.
DeadbeatXT 1 year ago
@DeadbeatXT
I don't think so.
whooshx2 1 year ago
@whooshx2
Who was Bisu in this finals? The New Kid.
Who was Savior? The bonjwa.
Who will everyone bet on? Savior
Who's savior going to let win? Bisu
DeadbeatXT 1 year ago
@DeadbeatXT
kekkek fail
tomken91 1 year ago
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seabard77 1 year ago
So Savior is caught faking matches, I hope this isn't this match.
ppshchik 1 year ago
aijfklsdhfjka!!!
rednas3636 1 year ago
wow.. that was kickass!
MrGeschmacklos 1 year ago
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seabard77 1 year ago
Ma Jae Yong gtfo! u rigged cheating match fixer!
WanderingHealer1945 1 year ago
between bisu, savior, and jaedong they created ZvP to be what it is today.
this is one of the legendary match ups.
slowmanrunning2 1 year ago
Well, now that we know sAviOr did lose on purpose, the entire game becam so meaningless. What's more disappointing is, that I was cheering for Bisu and was happy when he won. Now I feel so fucked, it makes me angry!
unihumi 1 year ago
@unihumi Well we don't know which matches he lost on purpose. These matches might have been the legit ones.
tal91 1 year ago
@tal91 this game is being specifically investigated by the police. For me, it is confirmed rigged because it matches the time that sAviOr was receiving bribes to fix matches.
WanderingHealer1945 1 year ago
@WanderingHealer1945 rofl don't talk about stuffs that you don't know
1. Police investigation revealed that the time Savior was involved in fixing matches were after this event.
2. Do you even know what bisu style is? This changed ZvP flow for a year, do you think Savior could have done anything against it at that time?
For fuck sake stop spreading fucking rumors so ppl who are new to starcraft don 't get wrong idea
seabard77 1 year ago 2
@seabard77 3 months ago, u can call it rumours. now, KeSPA has removed all SaviOr's records in MSL/OSL/PL so this match does not even count, not official and thus is rigged. If the integrity of a player is already exposed, all his matches are fixed.
WanderingHealer1945 1 year ago
@WanderingHealer1945
because he was involved in fixing, KESPA wanted all of his records off.
Do you want me to actually pull links and prove that time savior was involved in fixing was long after this match?
and do you understand this logic.
Bisu style changed PvZ flow for a year until they discovered that hydra all in was effective against it and Jaedong invented Neo sauron. (Watch Bisu vs Jaedong in blue storm)
Do you seriously think Savior fixed this match to lose?
seabard77 1 year ago
@seabard77 Exactly, you are right this time. I do think that this match is fixed. That is a YouTube comment by me. The links you can try, its up to you. Its hard to explain to you the general views in Korea, that no one believes Ma any more, even though he has lots of fans in the past but KeSpa decide to sack him. Why? He has no integrity. And you sound very angry, are you depressed by my comments? If I upset you, I apologize for my frank views.
Ma Jae Yong
"In Prison"
Summer 2012
WanderingHealer1945 1 year ago
@seabard77 Again, since you asked...
Yes, I seriously think Ma fixed this match to lose to Kim. Why do you sound like a angry person? I am so puzzled. SaviOr fixed matches since day one. Before you go in a YouTube rage, here is stating that this is my opinion. Why I say this. He kept replays of his team mates like Effort, Xellos, Much. He then sold them to other teams & outsiders.
WanderingHealer1945 1 year ago
@WanderingHealer1945 haha shut up dude your stupid, it was said that they payed savior 2 - 3 gs for losing, msl win is 50 million Korean won, about 40 k US. haha think about that,.
aznxboix188 1 year ago
@aznxboix188 and did u know the 50 million korean won is shared in CJ Entus? and did u know Ma can bet an undisclose sum of himself losing since the odds are higher thus higher winning?
WanderingHealer1945 1 year ago
@WanderingHealer1945 did you know that savior gets to get at least half of the earnings, and half of it use for the house, did you know that this was 3 years ago, and it didnt even start back then, did you know that you are. wait. basically. wrong.
aznxboix188 1 year ago 3
@aznxboix188
saying that this match was fixed is saying that bisu style was fake too.
Was entire zerg involved in fixing? for christ sake I hate ppl like him,
fucking spreading rumors about stuffs that he doesn't know
seabard77 1 year ago
@seabard77 exactly!
aznxboix188 1 year ago
@WanderingHealer1945
fucking idiot
seabard77 1 year ago
@seabard77 it takes one to know another.
WanderingHealer1945 1 year ago
@WanderingHealer1945
and telling other ppl stuff that you don't really know doesn't show that you're a idiot?
seabard77 1 year ago
@unihumi this game is fixed.
WanderingHealer1945 1 year ago
@unihumi finally a smart comment :-)
WanderingHealer1945 1 year ago
@unihumi
1.read the comments I andaznxboix188 posted. The time savior was involved in fixing matches were long after this match.
2. If you actually watched starcraft back then there is no way that you think this is fake. Stop faking
seabard77 1 year ago
Savior..wow Bisu...wow
chrisbary 1 year ago
The main reason he runs zerglings into Bisu's base is to get rid of some supply for stronger units...are you a freakin idiot?
The main reason is that he wants to scout. He needs to know what Bisu is doing inside his base. Playing blind will get you demolished. As for making room for stronger units, get a f*ckin overlord you noob. I'd love to play you and have you sacrifice all your zerglings and lurkers to get a couple ultralisks so you don't have to make an overlord.
squinty1292 1 year ago
Bisu just made him look like a noob. even though savior was so damn good.
MyLifeForAuir87 2 years ago
@MyLifeForAuir87 actually savior threw the match because someone paid him to
Pheus 1 year ago
he HAS to see his own fail right after defeat...
how sad
HardGayd 2 years ago
i don't think there is any other game in the world where people get this excited.
gavnastyyy 2 years ago 19
These were the finals between a dark horse contestant and a freaking bonjwa, after all.
RoieTRS 2 years ago
football
elan2000 2 years ago
@gavnastyyy the girls come on in dry, and they leave wet
jeehoondevil 1 year ago 8
@gavnastyyy ever seen the world cup?
4LackOfaBetterNam3 5 months ago
I love how the Korean girls scream and cheer at intense moments. Definately adds something to the game, imho.
Sectorsophia 2 years ago 2
zerg could've had a chance, i don't know why he attacked protoss' expansion which had 1000 cannons in it and wasted all his lurkers.
ibclappin 2 years ago
He was way way behind. He was forced to take a risk to stay in the game, otherwise he would've just been steamrolled anyway.
truantbuick 2 years ago
i like watching to see not only their micro, but their macro. See how they work their entire army from tech'nm expanding to coordination of fights. Really do learn how the pros play.
arunoaj 2 years ago
seriously, bisu's probe is his life
HarmKTrust 2 years ago
best probe micro in the world, he snipes drones like clockwork
oryP 2 years ago
Just btw for those people talking about apm jaedong has most Likely the highest apm at 400(average)
poocrazy 2 years ago
@poocrazy by.hero is faster
DazedSpy2 2 years ago
i think i read julyzerg got 800 once
oryP 2 years ago
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the gay thing is pros dont watch their units fight which means in fpvods when the commentators are screaming about nexus and spire saviors screen is just somewhere else and youre like "WTF IS HAPPENING"
evilfatsh1t 2 years ago
If they watch their units the entire time.. they will lose the entire time...
okamasphere 2 years ago 3
After you win also :) To figure out if you could do anything better :)
vgk12345 2 years ago
APM is a rough measure of how quickly you can make choices and enact them. Making choices is purely mental/reflex (reflex if you've trained that particular choice to be made subconsciously, which is much faster), and enacting them is a measure of manual dexterity.
Manual dexterity is rarely the bottleneck, though. The APM-killer is indecision, which comes from lack of confidence, which comes from not knowing what to do.
ChortortleC 2 years ago 2
13:33 what music?
KeserYeser 2 years ago
Damn that first probe stayed alive forever
lin2k4 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Apm is determinded by speed of the mind ...not the fingers -_-
xkrnposerx256 2 years ago
Its rather hard to be able to preform all the things you want to at times.
I'd say that there is a roof for whats possible in terms of APM, 800amp as an example is just impossible.
Then there is a personal roof that is determined by your brain. With that i mean that theres a point where you run out of things you want to do with your APM.
So I belive APM is a product of practice, but once you reach your mental limit, there is no point going further with your APM.
zethgb 2 years ago
just for side information,
bisu's apm is three hundred something at best. It is considered high for protoss.
seabard77 2 years ago
Your mind certainly has to be able to make all the decisions and react to situations quickly, but your fingers need to be trained as well to keep up.
HankookSaram 2 years ago
APM definitely is important in starcraft. APM tells how many things you can possibly do in one minute. even if ur spamming, if you spam constantly, you will find yourself finding things to do that you never thought to do before. the higher ur apm is, the better ur micro tends to be and thats what seperates the good players from the noobs.
3HanSeL3 2 years ago 4
APM has a soft cap in relation to your actual skillin terms of doing stuff by the bare minimum. If you have 70 apm and are an amazing player you will obviously do better with 170, mostly past that is spam.
faiye1 2 years ago
I'm going to have to raise the spam bar.
There is corsair-reaver that requires a good 200+ none spam just because so much micro and control is required. But otherwise i agree, Bisu is at 300+ stork is at 250+ and Stork does win a lot.
topturkey2 2 years ago
This was when savior was absolutely dominating korean starcraft; and bisu beat him in straight sets. The revolutionist strikes again! Of course Bisu's play in the past month has been iffy, he just lost to go.go but he is still a monster. And has anyone else been following Efforts play at all? Man has been destructive
mb6wk 2 years ago
who won
soulstrike18 2 years ago
bisu
0mgVitaminE 2 years ago 3
do u have bisus view???
shadow94hyunseop 2 years ago
that sexy split....... how does he deselect the drones.. his not using the shift key then deselecting by clicking the drones portraits.. right? his doing something else.. something slick give it to meeee!
kakao777 2 years ago
He just individually selects the drones and sends them to different patches.
ckyisyourfuture 2 years ago
a spore colony at his mineral patches could have worked him wonders
abramsantana 2 years ago
rofl, they scrteam spire spire spire!!
l00seg00tyh0les 2 years ago
i wana see sAvIor vs Julyzerg. my 2 fav z players
karene27 3 years ago
As a zerg player u can really experience what sAviOr must have felt during the game. sooo frustrating abt the loss since he played so well and so hard. btw I think it really helps a lot when u look @ replays of the games u just played, and especially if u lose its a bit like a habit or an impulse to watch the replay to see where u hav gone wrong & what the opponent was doing (especially a rival like bisu u really want to know when and where u can do something)
sunnyK89 3 years ago 4
Damn pressure from bisu, if i were savior i guess I threw away the keyboard already
9diov 3 years ago 9
lol, he saves and loads the replay to watch, i didnt know they do that rite after the game
ChemChemicals 3 years ago 7
savior was doing really well, but...Bisu really pulled it. sair harass was seriously fruitful. dt against zerg? Bisu must really have been doing something right, or just lucky, but prolly through skill.
and he must be like wtf, how did he do that?!
FliBerries 3 years ago
oh my god =o Bisu <3 One more reason for loving bisuu
Lapynousc 3 years ago
lol @ savior pulling out that replay and looking at it right away
c0stc0dud1 3 years ago 4
pulling out is overrated
isaacdwalkup 3 years ago 12
Don't fuck with Bisu...that man has intense skill
NETMR2 3 years ago 9
Saviour , you kick ass !!!!
Alexanderson1988 3 years ago 3
saviors split/start was beautiful
LocoSpartan180 3 years ago 8
true, and this is hardest spot to split
Mendelevium146 3 years ago
killing that spire at 8:25 was the very key.
ibclappin 3 years ago 2
meh not that key, savior had started his Muta's. What was key was Saviors early 4th and his poor decisions against the sair/dt (bad ovie position at his nat, decision to go lurk ling in the face of sair/dt, decision for Mutas...)
Not to say he played badly, I mean, he'd never seen the build executed so well before, he didn't have a build planned out to counter it.
jjay75 3 years ago
stfu pilipp3 u ugly
BraCBraDPiTT93 3 years ago 2
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protoss can win :P?
pilipp3 3 years ago
lol, gotta love how that scout probe just kept getting in sAviOr's way
spiral622 3 years ago
yeah for like an hour xDDD
Bisu is god....
sAviOr's good too
SdeathkrazedS 3 years ago
whats an fpvod?
xxbluejay21 3 years ago
a First-Person VOD (and VOD means Video On Demand). So, this is a FPVOD from Savior's perspective.
cdrrules 3 years ago 2
How do you get reflexes like this? Just years of playing, or is there a special method for being able to move the mouse and select things really quickly?
verdantabyss 3 years ago
maybe jut years of playing and constant practice, i beleive thiss progamers practice 10 hours a day,makes thier hands so keen yet so fast, i think they play the game by memory and its become an instinct for them
pathfinder0009 3 years ago
you have to train your apm (actions per minute) and practice all day. The instinct comment is dead on too, watched a documentary on Starcraft Korea. Regular people base their actions on what they see on screen (brain activity was checked btw), while the pro gamers are pure instinct. You can look up apm counters online if you really want.
Jamsius 3 years ago
Saviors actually relatively slow compared to alot of other pro gamers, some of whom are almost twice as fast.
jjay75 3 years ago 7
Actually savior is some kind of slow but still he is an awesome player...
HKRazieL 2 years ago
Slow? he has over 300 APM
topturkey2 2 years ago
Sorry for the misunderstanding... I am talking about Bisu compared to the other progamers not to me ofcourse :D I have no idea of my APM but i gues it's probably arount 60 (no clue at all) though i heard some progames have around 800 APM (not sure about that) I like how Bisu ownz with his 300 :D meaning APM is not everything!!!
HKRazieL 2 years ago
I know, lower skill level players shouldn't focus on what their apm is. It will scale with time, the better you get at the game, the more multitasking you can do and the easier it is for you to keep track.
Ive seen 70 apm people beat 150 apm people.
topturkey2 2 years ago
that's exactly what i meant ;)
HKRazieL 2 years ago
julyzerg peaked 800 once. but thats just spamming imo. i mean common 800 eapm? zz..
20kcritsyo 2 years ago
Look at some of JulyZerg's FPVODs and you will see how he plays :) 800 should have clearly been just spam :)
HKRazieL 2 years ago
hes slow compared to others pros, and if you watch pro zergs like jaedong with 350apm u see its much faster than his faked 800 apm which is physically not possible
Golden2Talon 2 years ago 2
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eeg10 2 years ago
apm doesn't equate how fast you are.
BoywondeR338 2 years ago 4
yes it does. it says how many actions per minute you have. How fast you click the key board. shhhhhh
topturkey2 2 years ago
You don't really know what you're talking about.
Apm is about as useless as putting a band aid on a broken arm.
Apm tells you how many actions you have per minute.
However you can click faster then actually doing something.
BoywondeR338 2 years ago 4
I'm not saying apm is useful. I have 200 apm and lose to people with 100 apm. At the same time, i can beat people with 300. It's just an indication of how fast you are when playing.
topturkey2 2 years ago
Apm does not mean how fast you are by any means.
As I've said before you can click faster then actually doing something.
And Apm is completely useless, I play with 320 apm with terran (mostly spam) versus my brother he has at most 170 apm, and he'll probably always beat me because he has "faster" reactions.
When you are in a micro war, and you need to macro we'll see how much high apm does for your "fast" reactions.
BoywondeR338 2 years ago
Actually savior is one of the slowest progamers in Starcraft. He averages around 250 APM, but his actions are all useful ones, so he can compete with and at his peak, dominate everyone else.
squinty1292 1 year ago
Well practice helps but if you're generally just slow on brain-to-hand actions you're "screwed" :p
Kilithaza 3 years ago 4
how fast he left the game when he saw that pylon(4th base) alt+q+q
NTL808 4 years ago
ive never seen a zerg player win one of these...
ArchaicShadow 4 years ago
FreeMuRa, GGPlay, July, GoRush, sAviOr and Jaedong are all OSL champions, while sAviOr, chojja, GoRush and Jaedong won MSL.
pilsyppah 4 years ago 3
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Brilliant strategy, bisu makes DTs, forcing savior to produce mutas, in which he counters with anti air. Always one step ahead. The only thing that could have saved savior was a few more lurkers =[.
Sovonk 4 years ago
nah savior knew within the first second, but could not move due to slow move hydra & ovey. he expanded too fast vs standard pvz. not nonstop harass. just efficient and dangerous
17teacmrocks 4 years ago
bisu OWNs
hsktoadftw 4 years ago
Savior is a good player. But Bisu's PvZ is just godly. OMG. good game indeed
hongfooey 4 years ago 9
aztecx (1 tydzień temu)
"playing starcraft gives you a condition called split concentration.. which is actually very bad for you & when it comes down to things such as studying your fked. "
hmm i wonder if thats true ^^
I wonder if playing starcraft isnt also upgrading your all concentration skills which are vry usefull for studying h`m ...
VraCaulaS 4 years ago 2
隐刀海盗流的开局需要超精细的微操来实现， 也只有bisu 类的高手的可以实现。虫族的最大克星也就是这种打法。到今天Nal_ra 的古典式打法就没什么威力了虫族地面乱矿流简直就可以完克任何神族地面部队。
jackjiezhang 4 years ago 2
The DT/Sair style requires very delicate control to work; a task only achievable by gosus like Bisu. This style does counter Zerg the most, however. Nal_Ra's classic style of PvZ is almost powerful vs zergs that expand crazily to overwhelm the protoss forces.
TerranHasArrived 4 years ago
wow my God, i saw bisu playing to, hes micro and macro are EXTRAORDINARY...not to mention boxer's
x_x
bablutu 4 years ago
there should be a bisu FPVOD on this.
republicansridiots 4 years ago
Bisu's the best protoss player in the world~ lol, can't help but say tat since he's been the onli toss player so far to reali kick savior's ass.
busisgo 4 years ago
According to that other apm program, savior's EAPM (effective APM) is around 190 at 250 apm, bisu gets 190 at 320 apm. Savior is amazingly efficient,
jaho101 4 years ago 5
Yea its always a mystery to me how efficient Savior is with his game. When you look at Savior's FPVOD's you will just feel smooth transitions from build to micro to movement and attack of units.
Not like many other players whose screen movements are really jerky and may cause eptileptic seizures in kids haha.
Fate025 4 years ago 4
Bisu kicked ass, great protoss player, my personal favorite after anytime. His DTs is just so fluent, he deserved this win as well as earn it. In fact, he deserved all three.
shadowlightn 4 years ago 3
Savior's apm may be pretty low for a progamer, but he uses it at as close to 100 percent efficiency as humanly possible. He's just unbelievable. Sadly, he seems to be in his slump now.
onemortal 4 years ago
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Wrong. Savior has some of the highest apm of any player: he's at a good 400 apm. But you are right, that he IS efficient.
Shwamperoos 4 years ago
NO. He's a 250 apm player, this is documented and recorded. The only guy to reach 400 is NaDa, but savior makes his apm count.
JelloJay 4 years ago
Savior has APM of about 250-280.
Mecha1 4 years ago
Wrong. His tech is usually fine, Savior lost this match because of the macro harassment from Bisu, that was a huge distraction for him and forced him out of his comfort zone.
Dwakey 4 years ago 3
Dwakey = win.
Shwamperoos 4 years ago
omgggg i feel sorry for savior...he had everything to lose while Bisu had everything to gain T-T
bloodLLL 4 years ago