@sydneymillions Russians have 100 over 100 of Mi24 trust me Mi24 would rape ass of AH64D, why?AH64D is capable to carry and fire AIM 9 (18km) range, Russian Helicopter can carry and fire R73 (30-40km)range.AH64D coudn't stand against Mi24. Mi24 is the most succesfull helicopter on earth, it has seen air to air combats, apache not.
@Providence932 You dont realize the fact RPG is the most succesful AT weapon nowdays.New Warheads of RPG Tandem HEAT with 850mm RHA same RHA like Javelin.RPG rounds flying 1km thats more than enough.Javelin is to expensive can be jammed from small ground spots and Radar jammers,And now Javelin use not always the Stuka principe to destroy tank this cant be used often because the most used method is straight target aim, you cant use fly up method in buildings or small places.
@Providence932 ohh child whats wrong with you, maybe you dont think about APS, like Iron Fist,Trophy or the Arena.This is very useless when you fire from big distance each APS systeme is able to destroy RPG and Missiles, but from much shorter distance the Computer of Iron Fist and Trophy is not capable to react fast enough on short distance than 500-250meters arena does.And you cant shot with Javelin always the up method its used only in citys where you could shot wrong building.
You've lost even more credibility when you started to get personal.
Your point about the javelin being direct attack only outside of an urban environment is a lie. This tactic is used to engage weaker armor on armored vehicles and to make it more difficult for APS to engage the weapon.
The effectiveness of trophy and APS is disputed, especially in a combined arms environment when in proximity with friendly forces. Against a tank, even 2 or 3 javelins is cost effective.
Sure! If you want to equip the AH-64 with old, outdated missiles then please, be my guest, but don't equip your MI-28 with the latest and greatest at the same time.
@Providence932 What the shit you talking about the missiles of Mi28 are about 20 years old AT6Spiral (1962) counterpart of AGM114 Hellfire 5km range very old.AT9Sprial 6km B-E version 9km (1980).R73 range 30-40km more than double of AIM9 1980.Vikhr 12km range highest presicion over 90% 1986.I cant see anything new, the newst parts are not in service only in bearings.AGM114 with newer versions is only 9km range 10km with optimal conditions.ATGMS dont use more than 12kmcause radar.
The old AGM-114 range may be limited to 5KM, you're probably confused with the BGM Tow. Hellfire has a range of 8km+ with no maneuvers. However the range may decrease when top-down attacks are employed against armored targets. the Vikhr and Spiral do not have this capability.
The Vikhr has a terrible capability to flat-out miss when aiming at hull-down targets, or when a close distances. The guidance system of the Vikhr does not allow the launching helicopter to evade.
The Vikhr requires consistent line of sight with no only the target, but the missile itself or else the missile will lose tracking and miss. The spiral, poorly controlled flightpath of the Vikhr missile also contributes to it's poor hit ratio against hidden targets, or more awkward targets.
The Aim9 of 1980 is not the Aim9 of 2010, you should understand this as any critique of American hardware.
I could really give two shits about 1980s hardware in 2010.
Your simplistic comparison of range completely ignores the vast array of capabilities held by the AGM-114 and AIM-9 platforms. You're ignoring the capability for LOAL by both platforms, the top down ability of the AGM-114, the capability for radar guidance, and hull down shots that these gunships perform regularly.
@Providence932 The vikhr missile is guided by its own systeme and plus by the 3 direction target FLIR, its fire and forgot, the vikhr missile is one of the most accurate and presicion and very relaible missile.It dont miss targets your information is completly lie.And the Hellfire had always 8km modern version max 9km under optimal conditions 10km its about 2-3,5km under vikhr.Its oneshit missile 850mm RHA with Vikhr you can destroy any modern tank,it dont need to hit upsite.
The Vikhr is a SACLOS guided weapon where the launch platform must not only maintain LOS with the target, but with the actual weapon itself due to the placement of the seeker.
Several launch platforms of the Vikhr - such as the KA-50 - do not include FLIR and would thus not be able to utilize the KA-50.
@Talshet The Vikhr, carrying only one guidance servo, flies in an erratic pattern, and becomes inaccurate at close distance, and unreliable at long ranges against hulldown and or mobile targets.
If the Vikhr did not miss targets, then it's ratio would be higher than 90%. This is the reason why Vikhrs will launch their weapons in PAIRS, rather than alone, to increase the probability of a hit.
@Providence932 Vikhr is capable to hit targets at any distance of 30m-12km, it hits targets doesnt matter if it moving or standing.Vikhrs presicion is very accurate more than the most.It is very relaible like AT9,you can troll whole day if you want but never said russian weapons are unrelaible or inaccurate.
@Providence932 you are ignorant you even dont know anything of your own american technology.you realy thinking aim9 has 40km range.Child first join the army after that you can deal with people who know things from first source.
@Providence932 Ohh child talk so many faked facts how ever you want.R73 is the most effecient short range AA missile there is no counterpart in no western country.You can talk shit like 40km range of AIM9, however.Vikhr is capable to guided by FLIR (Saclos)The FLIR has 3 cameras for Target locking to give the capability for fire and forgot,this kind of FLIR is needed and for One seater and even Su25 is using this kind of FLIR for fire and forgot capability on aziumth 165° frontal.
@Talshet AIM-9X Block II is a LOAL missile, the Vikhr is not. Also, the AH-64D won in a tender in India over the Mi-28N. The Apache won on over 20 counts. If you want a source, I will show you.
@franknbeans4761 You tell what ever you want, Apache is old concept and its outdated, less survivable and less safty for the crew, no capabilities for SAR, and less armored than any other russian helicopter.I dont care about Indians desicion,in tests MI28N has better results than AH64D,i dont care what experts manipulate indians for their desicions,Russian helicopters was always the better in any catagorie,maneuvrability,survivability,speed,power,range,variants and lot of more.
@Talshet You are clearly in denial. I have even read Russian magazines stating the results of such a tender.
The AH-64D is a much more proven, matured system. While the Mi-28N is not. Also, the Mi-28N is much heaver and has much poorer performance. It's optics have also had no real time to grow and develop yet.
Be in denial if you want, the AH-64D beat the Mi-28N in 20 counts.
@dexhivvv Senseless spending on the military isn't senseless if it's actually being used in conflict ; )
Advanced fire control systems, fire and forget like some versions of the Hellfire are capable of are part of the complete package. Sitting there and lasing a target until the missile hits also makes you vulnerable.
It's along the same philosophy why at the portable infantry level the Javelin AT missile was developed to replace the guided Dragon AT system.
@Warmaker01 Missiles like Javelin are more than unqualified you need more than 10 times bigger fund to supply many soldiers with it and when you fire 1 javelin you waste 80.000$ for that money you can buy RPGs for 3200$ and warheads with same equal like PG7VL 800mm RHA tandem HEAT about 10 Warheads per RPG for about 15 RPGs.RPG wins and Fire and Forgot is not a garantee of destroying targets.Javelin have lot of problems in heat or cold conditions to follow a target.
@Talshet Damn, you lie all over the place. The Javline is a much better weapon being fire and forget and it does not have problems in heat or cold. The RPG is well know for being inaccurate. In addition, even Russia's long time friend India has picked the Apache over the Mi28 for the following reason: "India gave Boeing the nod over Russia's Mikoyan because of the American aircraft was more versatile, the report said, citing an unnamed
Indian military official who was present at competitive testing between the Apache and the Havoc in 2010. Both aircraft performed exceptionally well, but the American aircraft showed an advantage in key characteristics."
If you want to try and fight tanks at 2500meters with a tandem RPG then please, go ahead. If you ever manage to put yourself back together again after you're finished, then come back and tell us how you did.
You can take 30 RPGs, even.
Oh wait, you're wanting to engage the tank at close range with the RPG?
It wasn't made for long range?
Guess what, the Javelin is a long range standoff/defensive weapon: it's not a SMAW, It's not an AT4, and it's not an RPG.
Are you all kidding? The AH-64D is better in 2 main ways
> The Mi-28N doesn't even have a fire control radar- EVERYTHING is manual.
> The Mi-28N missiles are manually laser guided, while the AH-64Ds are fire-and-forget (You lock on and fire, then it will automatically chase the target)
actually dumbass, the S-8-type rockets are just larger versions of our 70mm pods, the Scopion AT missile is more accurate than the hellfire, the MI28 has a more modern version of Longbow, adn the Scorpion is fire and forget as well.
@belleisfat, the guts of the Apache Longbow are far more advanced, but it is on par with the Apache A, Apache B and all other attack helicopters (including the over priced Tigre). Look how well the Apache A and B models did in Desert Storm. Even Western tanks have weak top armor, which is where attack helicopters tend to strike.
@darkerego . Gunships aren't air-to-air fighters.... They're ground support . People who argue Apache vs. Havok don't even know what the weapon platforms are designed for. . You might as well be arguing which truck would win transporting supplies back and forth. . The winner is the side that uses an AA countermeasure. Whether that be from the ground, or from another aircraft designed for that task. . A havok isn't designed to take on an apache. Why? Because as a MILITARY something else will.
heavier armored but the apache really doesn't need heavy armor it has the technology to attack targets from standoff ranges with total stealth. good luck shooting at a ghost
(1) Apache is not stealthy, it is very far from being stealthy. Yes, you may argue that Apache is technologically superior than MI-28 (that may be true), but as far as stealth is concerned , they are almost the same (Apache may have a inferior IR signature though, fruit if a better designed exhaust outtake), but the radar signature is the same.
Now there was a helicopter under development called "Comanche" that if it had
@Paulo412349 They are pretty much equal except I think the Apache-64D has one advantage over the havoc for one reason...the radar dome. It can see over hills / terrain, and can communicate with over Apaches. Its built to work in squads which is why 1 vs 1 the havoc might win, but in a real war group attack against each other the Apache has the advantage.
@hackerisslv I really hope you know that that doesn't make sense . In a simulator? A fight between a russian and american pilots ? When did that happen again ? any documents ? A helicopter dogfight ? WTF? Both apache and the Havoc are controlled by a pilot and a gunner . These things do not engage air targets ... Try bringing up some facts because your last comment prooved your complete lack of knowlage about military equipment , or knowing about how these choppers work .
@hackerisslv Ahm.. Do you have any proof on that? Or you're just saying random stuff? For some reason that sounds kinda bullshit to me- Russians and Americans testing eachoter's state-of-the-art weapons just like that? Again your complete lack of documents makes your statement look stupid . When you send me a link to those documents or something , or proove that the tests took place , I might belive you . Other than that . Not only me , but noone will belive you.
@Andrismilitary Its true about the test.. because there were testing air combat ground atacks and boat / ship atacks.. Air combat was just a part of all test
Would it have a chance though of evading the F-22's lock on :(?
Seeing as the radar frequency changes at a speed of 1KHz, I imagine the Havoc would have no chance unfortunately, but I know absolutely nothing about this kind of electronic warfare business...
@bittemeinrammstein I won't say it's a piece of shit alot of techlogical advancements were made creating the f22 but it turned out to be a complete basketcase. $65bil into developement. $350mil per plane , never sees air to air combat for which it was actually developed, requires a too much maintainace (something like 1 hour flight costing approx = 40hours engineering headache), costs too much to fly ( ± $46k per hour), it hates rain, don't ever try fly it for more than 1.5 hours
@tarkinfish not really.Fighters have cannons,which can tear apart certain helis.They also have air-to-air missiles (usually more than 2) that will allow them to shoot them down.
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saamohod 2 months ago
MI-28 Was built in the responce to the creation of the Attack Helicopter 64 (AH-64)
Russia did a pretty good job with there version of it...though systems could use so upgrades, it is still an equal match to the AH-64.
xXJoshuaDXx 2 months ago
super chemadan s propelerom uaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaaaaaaaaaa
nik789100 2 months ago
Best in heli in Call of Duty + best heli in real life XD
ArticFox1030 3 months ago
@sydneymillions Russians have 100 over 100 of Mi24 trust me Mi24 would rape ass of AH64D, why?AH64D is capable to carry and fire AIM 9 (18km) range, Russian Helicopter can carry and fire R73 (30-40km)range.AH64D coudn't stand against Mi24. Mi24 is the most succesfull helicopter on earth, it has seen air to air combats, apache not.
Talshet 3 months ago
@Talshet
The AIM-9's range is not this short.
Providence932 2 months ago
@Providence932
Attack helicopters are not air superiority platforms regardless
Providence932 2 months ago
@Providence932 You dont realize the fact RPG is the most succesful AT weapon nowdays.New Warheads of RPG Tandem HEAT with 850mm RHA same RHA like Javelin.RPG rounds flying 1km thats more than enough.Javelin is to expensive can be jammed from small ground spots and Radar jammers,And now Javelin use not always the Stuka principe to destroy tank this cant be used often because the most used method is straight target aim, you cant use fly up method in buildings or small places.
Talshet 2 months ago
@Talshet
You've lost all your credibility when you said that 1km is enough range for an infantry AT weapon.
Providence932 2 months ago
@Providence932 ohh child whats wrong with you, maybe you dont think about APS, like Iron Fist,Trophy or the Arena.This is very useless when you fire from big distance each APS systeme is able to destroy RPG and Missiles, but from much shorter distance the Computer of Iron Fist and Trophy is not capable to react fast enough on short distance than 500-250meters arena does.And you cant shot with Javelin always the up method its used only in citys where you could shot wrong building.
Talshet 2 months ago
@Talshet
You've lost even more credibility when you started to get personal.
Your point about the javelin being direct attack only outside of an urban environment is a lie. This tactic is used to engage weaker armor on armored vehicles and to make it more difficult for APS to engage the weapon.
The effectiveness of trophy and APS is disputed, especially in a combined arms environment when in proximity with friendly forces. Against a tank, even 2 or 3 javelins is cost effective.
Providence932 2 months ago
@Providence932 exactly 18km range without maneuvers less with maneuvers (turns).
Talshet 2 months ago
@Talshet
Sure! If you want to equip the AH-64 with old, outdated missiles then please, be my guest, but don't equip your MI-28 with the latest and greatest at the same time.
Providence932 2 months ago
@Providence932 What the shit you talking about the missiles of Mi28 are about 20 years old AT6Spiral (1962) counterpart of AGM114 Hellfire 5km range very old.AT9Sprial 6km B-E version 9km (1980).R73 range 30-40km more than double of AIM9 1980.Vikhr 12km range highest presicion over 90% 1986.I cant see anything new, the newst parts are not in service only in bearings.AGM114 with newer versions is only 9km range 10km with optimal conditions.ATGMS dont use more than 12kmcause radar.
Talshet 2 months ago
@Talshet
The old AGM-114 range may be limited to 5KM, you're probably confused with the BGM Tow. Hellfire has a range of 8km+ with no maneuvers. However the range may decrease when top-down attacks are employed against armored targets. the Vikhr and Spiral do not have this capability.
The Vikhr has a terrible capability to flat-out miss when aiming at hull-down targets, or when a close distances. The guidance system of the Vikhr does not allow the launching helicopter to evade.
Providence932 2 months ago
@Providence932
The Vikhr requires consistent line of sight with no only the target, but the missile itself or else the missile will lose tracking and miss. The spiral, poorly controlled flightpath of the Vikhr missile also contributes to it's poor hit ratio against hidden targets, or more awkward targets.
The Aim9 of 1980 is not the Aim9 of 2010, you should understand this as any critique of American hardware.
Providence932 2 months ago
@Providence932
I could really give two shits about 1980s hardware in 2010.
Your simplistic comparison of range completely ignores the vast array of capabilities held by the AGM-114 and AIM-9 platforms. You're ignoring the capability for LOAL by both platforms, the top down ability of the AGM-114, the capability for radar guidance, and hull down shots that these gunships perform regularly.
Providence932 2 months ago
@Providence932 The vikhr missile is guided by its own systeme and plus by the 3 direction target FLIR, its fire and forgot, the vikhr missile is one of the most accurate and presicion and very relaible missile.It dont miss targets your information is completly lie.And the Hellfire had always 8km modern version max 9km under optimal conditions 10km its about 2-3,5km under vikhr.Its oneshit missile 850mm RHA with Vikhr you can destroy any modern tank,it dont need to hit upsite.
Talshet 2 months ago
@Talshet
The Vikhr is fire and forget? This is a LIE.
The Vikhr is a SACLOS guided weapon where the launch platform must not only maintain LOS with the target, but with the actual weapon itself due to the placement of the seeker.
Several launch platforms of the Vikhr - such as the KA-50 - do not include FLIR and would thus not be able to utilize the KA-50.
Providence932 2 months ago
@Talshet The Vikhr, carrying only one guidance servo, flies in an erratic pattern, and becomes inaccurate at close distance, and unreliable at long ranges against hulldown and or mobile targets.
If the Vikhr did not miss targets, then it's ratio would be higher than 90%. This is the reason why Vikhrs will launch their weapons in PAIRS, rather than alone, to increase the probability of a hit.
Providence932 2 months ago
@Providence932 Vikhr is capable to hit targets at any distance of 30m-12km, it hits targets doesnt matter if it moving or standing.Vikhrs presicion is very accurate more than the most.It is very relaible like AT9,you can troll whole day if you want but never said russian weapons are unrelaible or inaccurate.
Talshet 2 months ago
@Talshet
I used to think that you were ignorant of the facts because you were never told.
Now I know better
You're ignorant of the facts because you choose to be.
Providence932 2 months ago
@Providence932 you are ignorant you even dont know anything of your own american technology.you realy thinking aim9 has 40km range.Child first join the army after that you can deal with people who know things from first source.
Talshet 2 months ago
@Talshet
Unless you're in the American military I suggest that you stop talking before you ruin yourself even more.
The Aim9x has 30 to 40km range depending on the initial launch velocity and altitude.
Raytheon has already delivered over 3000 AIM9x missiles to the US and it's allies.
The Vikhr's 8km+ range is dependent on launch altitude, and the position of the target.
Even between the MI-28 and a Block III, pure range would play less of an issue for these tank hunters.
Providence932 2 months ago
@Providence932 Ohh child talk so many faked facts how ever you want.R73 is the most effecient short range AA missile there is no counterpart in no western country.You can talk shit like 40km range of AIM9, however.Vikhr is capable to guided by FLIR (Saclos)The FLIR has 3 cameras for Target locking to give the capability for fire and forgot,this kind of FLIR is needed and for One seater and even Su25 is using this kind of FLIR for fire and forgot capability on aziumth 165° frontal.
Talshet 2 months ago
@Talshet
How's that job at the Russian Propaganda Ministry "bullshit" Division working out for you?
Providence932 1 month ago
@Talshet AIM-9X Block II is a LOAL missile, the Vikhr is not. Also, the AH-64D won in a tender in India over the Mi-28N. The Apache won on over 20 counts. If you want a source, I will show you.
franknbeans4761 1 month ago
@franknbeans4761 You tell what ever you want, Apache is old concept and its outdated, less survivable and less safty for the crew, no capabilities for SAR, and less armored than any other russian helicopter.I dont care about Indians desicion,in tests MI28N has better results than AH64D,i dont care what experts manipulate indians for their desicions,Russian helicopters was always the better in any catagorie,maneuvrability,survivability,speed,power,range,variants and lot of more.
Talshet 1 month ago
@Talshet You are clearly in denial. I have even read Russian magazines stating the results of such a tender.
The AH-64D is a much more proven, matured system. While the Mi-28N is not. Also, the Mi-28N is much heaver and has much poorer performance. It's optics have also had no real time to grow and develop yet.
Be in denial if you want, the AH-64D beat the Mi-28N in 20 counts.
franknbeans4761 1 month ago
@Talshet Hey DIPSHIT, the Aim9x isn't used by the ARMY in the first place.
colorblindvids 2 months ago
@sydneymillions ha +)
well ... where do I even start
USA = NATO senceless amount of money spent on war tech ... like rly fucking alot (there is a shit-load of apaches in the world in many countries)
We had Mi24 , we dont need this shitty apache
mi28 (new one will be soon) is much better than apache ( much-much-much )
Russian helis and airfreighter planes are THE BEST on this planet, well known fact !
dexhivvv 6 months ago
@dexhivvv Senseless spending on the military isn't senseless if it's actually being used in conflict ; )
Advanced fire control systems, fire and forget like some versions of the Hellfire are capable of are part of the complete package. Sitting there and lasing a target until the missile hits also makes you vulnerable.
It's along the same philosophy why at the portable infantry level the Javelin AT missile was developed to replace the guided Dragon AT system.
Warmaker01 4 months ago
@Warmaker01 Missiles like Javelin are more than unqualified you need more than 10 times bigger fund to supply many soldiers with it and when you fire 1 javelin you waste 80.000$ for that money you can buy RPGs for 3200$ and warheads with same equal like PG7VL 800mm RHA tandem HEAT about 10 Warheads per RPG for about 15 RPGs.RPG wins and Fire and Forgot is not a garantee of destroying targets.Javelin have lot of problems in heat or cold conditions to follow a target.
Talshet 2 months ago
@Talshet Damn, you lie all over the place. The Javline is a much better weapon being fire and forget and it does not have problems in heat or cold. The RPG is well know for being inaccurate. In addition, even Russia's long time friend India has picked the Apache over the Mi28 for the following reason: "India gave Boeing the nod over Russia's Mikoyan because of the American aircraft was more versatile, the report said, citing an unnamed
TheTequilaShooter 2 months ago
Indian military official who was present at competitive testing between the Apache and the Havoc in 2010. Both aircraft performed exceptionally well, but the American aircraft showed an advantage in key characteristics."
TheTequilaShooter 2 months ago
@Talshet
If you want to try and fight tanks at 2500meters with a tandem RPG then please, go ahead. If you ever manage to put yourself back together again after you're finished, then come back and tell us how you did.
You can take 30 RPGs, even.
Oh wait, you're wanting to engage the tank at close range with the RPG?
It wasn't made for long range?
Guess what, the Javelin is a long range standoff/defensive weapon: it's not a SMAW, It's not an AT4, and it's not an RPG.
Providence932 2 months ago
@sydneymillions Yeah and US debt is 15trillion$.That's relevant.
Stratigoz 6 months ago
Why is it carrying a briefcase?
tastyshoe 7 months ago
@tastyshoe its not a briefcase its where some missles are the lid is just closed.
jlsniper1 4 months ago
резвый кобелёк :)
Tevton231 9 months ago
Are you all kidding? The AH-64D is better in 2 main ways
> The Mi-28N doesn't even have a fire control radar- EVERYTHING is manual.
> The Mi-28N missiles are manually laser guided, while the AH-64Ds are fire-and-forget (You lock on and fire, then it will automatically chase the target)
ResiusOnline 11 months ago
@ResiusOnline
actually dumbass, the S-8-type rockets are just larger versions of our 70mm pods, the Scopion AT missile is more accurate than the hellfire, the MI28 has a more modern version of Longbow, adn the Scorpion is fire and forget as well.
futurejarhead0311 10 months ago
@futurejarhead0311
Not rockets you idiot. Missiles.
Rocket = unguided
Missile = guided
You have no idea what you're even saying.
The missiles that the Mi-28N uses are beam riding, they have to be guided to the target by the firer.
On the Apache's are fire and forget.
The Mi-28N has no fire control radar and its search radar is terrible. You are an idiot if you're trying to argue otherwise.
ResiusOnline 10 months ago
@ResiusOnline Hellfire missiles are beautiful :D
And you are the first person I have ever seen who actually knows the difference between Rockets and Missiles :D
ipodplaya 10 months ago
@ResiusOnline Well said. Futurejarhead displays his lack of knowledge to very nicely. "more modern version of Longbow"....LOL
OlderG0ds 8 months ago
@ResiusOnline So you gonna say that apache is better than mi28 ?
Not only by radars and trackers but by the whole thing (all aspects)
dexhivvv 6 months ago
Mafia transport with suitcase full of cash.
mizukami999 1 year ago
The "pod" on the one wing is its suitcase. Cause when that baby shows up, it's time for business.
Blasphemous1980 1 year ago
The HIND is a Volkswagen Beetle (reliable, simple). The Mi-28 is a Porsche 911.
MagronesBR 1 year ago
Apache FTW but this is good, too!
thaR3ardon 1 year ago
Вот она малая авиация класса гольф.
turboleot 1 year ago
Nice, raw footage. No bullshit introductions, no crappy music. A+
Sunburn2007 1 year ago
what is this box on his left wing?
Plaayboarding 1 year ago
from my point of view it looks like a puppy with buck teeth.
POOPERSCOOPER1100 1 year ago
the weapons load on this thing alone gives it an edge over any western helicopter
belleisfat 1 year ago
@belleisfat, the guts of the Apache Longbow are far more advanced, but it is on par with the Apache A, Apache B and all other attack helicopters (including the over priced Tigre). Look how well the Apache A and B models did in Desert Storm. Even Western tanks have weak top armor, which is where attack helicopters tend to strike.
orlock20 1 year ago
havoc vs apache... who wins?
darkerego 1 year ago
@darkerego
the aa-rocket
sirhalyavshik 1 year ago
MaxAC40 1 year ago
@MaxAC40 It is possible to mount sidewindermissiles on both of them
gorgonzo1a 1 year ago
@MaxAC40 To actually do both. Primary role is ground attack, but they can do anti-air against other helicopters.
Gripen90 1 year ago
That's just an ugly helicoptor
goldfalco 1 year ago
heavier armored but the apache really doesn't need heavy armor it has the technology to attack targets from standoff ranges with total stealth. good luck shooting at a ghost
beerad715 2 years ago
(1) Apache is not stealthy, it is very far from being stealthy. Yes, you may argue that Apache is technologically superior than MI-28 (that may be true), but as far as stealth is concerned , they are almost the same (Apache may have a inferior IR signature though, fruit if a better designed exhaust outtake), but the radar signature is the same.
Now there was a helicopter under development called "Comanche" that if it had
Paulo412349 2 years ago
@Paulo412349 They are pretty much equal except I think the Apache-64D has one advantage over the havoc for one reason...the radar dome. It can see over hills / terrain, and can communicate with over Apaches. Its built to work in squads which is why 1 vs 1 the havoc might win, but in a real war group attack against each other the Apache has the advantage.
Breakneckhydra1 2 years ago
(2) seen the light of day it would have been by far the stealthiest attack helicopter ever produced, but unfortunately the project was canceled.
Paulo412349 2 years ago
That explains why so many were lost in afghanistan and Iraq
Ralroost 1 year ago
As ugly as breath taking son of a bitch! An incredible masterpiece!
hasseNicknames 2 years ago
that thing is sexy but its not as quiet as the apache. it can be heard from a mile away. still and awesome heli tho
SpartanW98 2 years ago
this helicopter is ... holy shit its the best ! WAY BETTER THAT APACHE!
Andrismilitary 2 years ago 22
Last time I checked the Havoc couldn't kill something without the target even hearing the damn helicopter. Still a good chopper.
death55546 2 years ago
not better than Apache at all. Russian Ka-62 WAY BETTER THAN APACHE
Bangelo95 2 years ago
62? did you mean 52?
SheepJumpFish 2 years ago 2
the KA-62 is a civilian chopper. Good luck with that.
wellerocks 2 years ago
its more heavy, yes. I still like the Kamov design better though. It is also a lot more maneuverable.
Simbirsk2130 2 years ago
@Andrismilitary APACHE! holy shit
Biogem369 1 year ago
@Andrismilitary visually,it may look meaner to people but statistically,theoretically and practically the ah-64 is better.
gtamodman122 1 year ago
@Andrismilitary in simulator between 1 very good russian pilot and usa airforce pilot apache won! soo thats not true :P
hackerisslv 11 months ago
@hackerisslv I really hope you know that that doesn't make sense . In a simulator? A fight between a russian and american pilots ? When did that happen again ? any documents ? A helicopter dogfight ? WTF? Both apache and the Havoc are controlled by a pilot and a gunner . These things do not engage air targets ... Try bringing up some facts because your last comment prooved your complete lack of knowlage about military equipment , or knowing about how these choppers work .
Andrismilitary 11 months ago
@Andrismilitary Thats true .. it were tested in air combat ground atacks and in atacks on atacks for boats ..
Air combat was just a part from all test
hackerisslv 11 months ago
@hackerisslv Ahm.. Do you have any proof on that? Or you're just saying random stuff? For some reason that sounds kinda bullshit to me- Russians and Americans testing eachoter's state-of-the-art weapons just like that? Again your complete lack of documents makes your statement look stupid . When you send me a link to those documents or something , or proove that the tests took place , I might belive you . Other than that . Not only me , but noone will belive you.
Andrismilitary 11 months ago
@Andrismilitary Browse it by your self :P
hackerisslv 11 months ago
@hackerisslv hmm... epic fail.
Andrismilitary 11 months ago
@Andrismilitary anyway i realy dont care witch is stronger.. russia and usa dont have any conflicts
now russian biggest problem is Muslim Yihad that was started by checheyns
hackerisslv 11 months ago
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@Andrismilitary Its true about the test.. because there were testing air combat ground atacks and boat / ship atacks.. Air combat was just a part of all test
hackerisslv 11 months ago
@Andrismilitary I want to see this thing in action first.
TEHGROUND 11 months ago
@Andrismilitary Equal.
FighterGuDude3214 10 months ago
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On June, 19th helicopter Mi-28 from Torzhok, a board number 42 crash. Pilots are live. Details are found out.
jufkujgjgu 2 years ago
funk u.s.a
Zachu00 2 years ago
funk??.....;)
LC878 2 years ago
How many of these are Russia introducing into service?
Slamhound38 3 years ago
I don't know, maybe another 10,000
Petanator101 2 years ago
the havoc chopper is probably the best chopper in bad company\
callofdutyguy9 3 years ago
hahah its same on bf2
warzhawk1 3 years ago
what's the great big Box under the left wing?
Drop tank?
lst1195 3 years ago 2
I am not sure but it seems to be a counterbalance for the missile launcher on the right side
Gimbogehirn 3 years ago
Either counterbalance or extra fuel tank, still seems abit unbalanced.
lexa1986 3 years ago
it is an electronic war-fare pod... ment to jam enemy radar, and anti-air weapons systems
it is not a counter-balance.. if needed the Mi-28 can carry a full load of missile one both wings
bittemeinrammstein 3 years ago 11
Thanks.
lst1195 3 years ago
@bittemeinrammstein weak missiles - Russia doesn't have any modern missiles on board for choppers. Muahahahahahahahahah
Boberrosini 1 year ago
@bittemeinrammstein HAH... Awesome!
Would it have a chance though of evading the F-22's lock on :(?
Seeing as the radar frequency changes at a speed of 1KHz, I imagine the Havoc would have no chance unfortunately, but I know absolutely nothing about this kind of electronic warfare business...
tarkinfish 1 year ago
@tarkinfish - concidering the F-22 is piece of shit, I will not worry on that too much.
bittemeinrammstein 1 year ago
@bittemeinrammstein I won't say it's a piece of shit alot of techlogical advancements were made creating the f22 but it turned out to be a complete basketcase. $65bil into developement. $350mil per plane , never sees air to air combat for which it was actually developed, requires a too much maintainace (something like 1 hour flight costing approx = 40hours engineering headache), costs too much to fly ( ± $46k per hour), it hates rain, don't ever try fly it for more than 1.5 hours
badInvention 1 year ago
@tarkinfish wtf dude you're comparing a helicopter to a plane.......lol it's normal that no helicopter can defeat/evade a plane
gtamodman122 1 year ago
@gtamodman122 But surely with its countermeasures pod + flares/chaff it should be fine?
tarkinfish 1 year ago
@tarkinfish not really.Fighters have cannons,which can tear apart certain helis.They also have air-to-air missiles (usually more than 2) that will allow them to shoot them down.
gtamodman122 1 year ago
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wrong-AH-64 can carry up to 4 stinger missiles
Nick7380 4 years ago