Finite Matter scientifically can Not be brought to being by Nothing,
Nor can it be eternal because you can NOT go back far enough in time to have a Beginning or 1st day in order to get to here, Therefore GOD IS & science agrees
@chicraig6421 You are Going against Scientific Principles !
you cant flip a light swith infinity times, keep on flipping...... never get there,
in the same way, you can NOT go back far enough in time to get to the 1st Day & complete it so you can have a 2nd Day to get to today,
"in the Beginning God" doesnt mean God appeared & then things began, God was already there & then he Created thus starting the Biginning for us Finite creations, that is scientifically Accurate, Big bang is NOT
@ncwdane Ya know Im going back to what I said. There was no beginning, and there is no end. We finite beings cannot understand that. you can turn you switch on and off until it wares out, wont change what I said.
Like I said the Universe (God if you like)-no beginning - no end.
@chicraig6421 It sounds like you are misunderstanding me,
I DO NOT Argue YOUR Point
God is NOT the universe nor is he any chemical/molecule or Mater contained in the universe, God created the universe, & the universe scientifically can not of always existed !
God hath said re; such philosophy in Romans1;25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
@ncwdane I dislike it when people say this kind of thing. Yes; god is a filler of gaps for some, but please dont ever say '& science agrees'. They might not.
@ncwdane I wasnt saying anything about the Bible being scientifically accurate (that debate is a long one). I was simply requesting that someone didnt decide someones viewpoint, especially such a generic set of people. Let the scientists decide for themselves.
@ncwdane do some homework... and watch the video where Steven Hawking explains how it is possible for entire Universe to pop out into existence without any miracles... it can simply form its self with the current known laws of physics....:/
@DrKillaser Yes, I've watched Much material on the Matter,
It is all very Faith Based,(More like grasping for straws) to expain away God & Hold on to a bankrupt Theory, TY for suggesting, But alraedy been there, I Learned how much once you get past quarks(which really hasn't even been observed), But once you get Past that then leptons, and Higgs bosons are mearly Theory, Much less something from Nothing which really is rediculas, But you do have a right to believe everything came from nothing
@Struss1982 My comment is attacking christains who observe paganism and teach there children cartoons stories like Santa because Jesus said NO! Why? There roots go back to Babylon,the drunken whore of Babylon,and a lot of real christains were forced and beheaded because of Sunday. This was predicted in the bible before it happen and its predicted to happen again. GERMANY is becoming powerful again and it has passed a forceful law,and that's to closed all business on Sunday. Christains mock god
The bible is law that starts at the thought pattern,its all sum up as love defining god. Man has error since the beginning,and bible history show's that. Christain's believe god laws were done away at the cross,and that reviled there bloody history. Even today they observe paganism like Christmas,Easter,and Sunday sun-worship. This show's who are beast of law less that will rise again.
Darwinian Evolution doesn't so much justify things that are wrong. I would say that it actually cannot explain how said wrong things are objectively wrong. Evolution may be able to account for subject moral values, but it cannot account for objective moral standards.
@roont If there are no objective moral standards then there is nothing inherently wrong with rape or genocide. Now I'm not going to try to prove objective moral values exist, but if you don't say that objective moral values exist, then you have to say that there is nothing wrong with racism or many other things that are considered "wrong" by our society.
@gelndjjrskcene Absolutely not. Why do you think because nature does not hand us down rules from on high, that rape and racism are okay? You need to get in tune with nature man. Ask the jaguar if he thinks its objectively immoral for it to hunt, rip away from its herd, and kill a lame gazelle baby and eat it alive. Or the black widow if its immoral to eat her partner after mating? Those things that WE deem wrong are because we live in a society.
@gelndjjrskcene IMO, if these were "morals" were some code written into the universe, then don't you think that everyone would follow them? If OBJECTIVE morals exist, then why do we HAVE murderers and rapists and homophobes and sexism? Why do those "bad" things exist?
@roont You are misunderstanding what I am saying. I'm not saying that those things are wrong for animals or whatever. The objective morality I'm speaking of only applies to human beings because God only gave us those rules. If said objective morality doesn't exist, then there isn't anything wrong with murder, rape, and stuff. If objective morals do exist, then it by no means prevents murderers from existing. It just means there are people who break the rules. Do you understand what i'msayin now?
@gelndjjrskcene Yes, and I think you misunderstand me too. The way that I see it, we are animals. we're mammals, warm blooded vertebrates. We are not separate from the other plants and animals on this planet. Different, but not separate. And any laws which apply to them, apply to us as well and vice-versa. There is a set of laws like that. The laws of physics apply to all life without prejudice. These are laws THAT CAN NOT BE BROKEN. Its impossible to. They are truly objective.
@gelndjjrskcene And yes, I understand what you're saying. But to me, that does not sound very objective. If the rules depend on the situation and the people or things involved, then how can they be anything but subjective? The Mayans sacrificed people every day to make sure the sun would rise. They thought they had to, or the sun wouldn't come up. It must have APPEARED to them to be objective, a law that had to be followed, but it wasn't truly objective.
@roont I think I get what you're saying now. And I think i'm actually more in agreement than you think. I'm not trying to make a claim that objective moral values exist. What I'm trying to say is that evolution CANNOT explain objective morals. What you're saying is that we aren't any different from animals and so objective moral values don't exist. I say if that is true, then you are right, objective moral values don't exist. But if that is true, then it should follow that there is nothing inher
@gelndjjrskcene Ah, okay. I see what you're saying. But I'm still a little unclear on why you say so. Evolution does not explain objective morals, but it also does not explain nuclear physics. And that is simply because evolution does not try to explain nuclear physics. Or objective moral codes. Evolution does not even try to explain the origins of life. All that evolution explains is how species change over time. This is all evolution explains, and it does so superbly.
@roont I agree with you that evolution does not try to explain those things. However, people that believe that evolution is the end all say all cannot claim that anything is inherently wrong because their worldview does not permit for objective moral standards. That's really what i'm trying to get at.
@gelndjjrskcene Well then we are in agreement! However those people who claim 'evolution is the end all, say all," the ones you are talking about at least, understand evolution as much as creationists. That is to say, not at all. As I mentioned I do not believe objective moral standards exist. That does not mean to say though, that I think rape is okay. Our subjective morals, (don't kill or steal from your neighbor), I believe are imprinted on us in the evolutionary sense...
@gelndjjrskcene (cont) I believe are imprinted on us in the evolutionary sense... that had we not developed these rules for living together in a society, we would have gone extinct long ago. But they are just that, our rules. Human rules. Not ordained by a god or the universe, but invented by us to better care for ourselves and our loved ones.
@gelndjjrskcene Religious claims of objective moral standards are perfectionist ideology that has little to do with the real world. Regardless of claims that one gets their morals from "god" or not, they are the ones making the claims. These "objective" rules never are complete and most are archaic and of little use. People are always making claims that they claim come from god while another person gets their different morals from "god".
@roont ently wrong with rape and genocide. What I am saying does not depend on the situation, people, or things involved. Objective moral values apply to everyone. For instance, if it is objectively true that we should not kill each other, then we shouldn't. And if there are people that kill each other, then they are simply breaking the moral law that applies to everyone. Also, although a moral law may appear objective, does not mean it is. It's like someone saying something is true but it isn't
"Evolution causes homosexuality, divorce, abortion . . ." The implication in these audio bits that " . . . even if evolution is true . . ." we should disbelieve it because it causes bad stuff to happen is itself unbelievable. I have a really difficult time understanding how a human mind capable of thought could excrete such obvious nonsense.
WHY!? Why the fuck are people so goddamn fucking stupid? Do they really think that every creature on Earth was created AS IS, and has never eveoled? Oh, that's right. The Earth is only 6,000 years old and every person on it is an inbred from Noah's bloodline.(Who's 77 Ark folk re-populated the Earth in just a couple generations.) Religion is indoctrination for the useless and stupid who would rather live as zombies & let religion tell 'em how to live because life scares the shit out of them.
@TheCrimsonification What makes more SENSE the world was repopulated by 8 people who where created by an all powerful god or that a fully functional cell in all of its vast intricate complexity was able to build and give life to itself POOF out of nowhere! THINK about it.
"So the first claim, that random mutations are selected and create different forms of life, is unsustained. The second problem is that there are a vast number of complex systems in nature, and no matter how unglamorous this problem is, no matter how people try to look the other way, the fact is that a huge number of highly complex systems in nature cannot be plausibly accounted for in terms of a gradual build-up of small random mutations." - Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis
just imagine in the world exist so powerful civilization which can create organism like human, create planets, stars. Incredible to image this, not for human mind.
If you continue to let religion influence your political and economic plans, then probably US will not have much time left indeed. Start addressing your economical and social issue by first making reforms in your system and how your country is run. Not just sit back, engage in self pity and think its God punishing you because its not god. Australia and Canada are secular societies, yet they don't experience same social and economical issues as US. Think about that.
Hey, kiddos, want to see a fairy tale that adults really believe? Google whale evolution and go watch a 7 minutes video on the PBS web site that shows how an ancient 200 pound wolf searched for food along the beach, wander out into the surf, and morphed (evolved) into a 100 ton whale. There is nothing scientific about it, but nonetheless, this is the fairy tale that some adults really believe! Especially comical are the nostrils migrating to the top of the head to become a blow hole!
Hey, kiddos, want to see a fairy tale that adults really believe? Google whale evolution and go watch a 7 minutes video on the PBS web site that shows how an ancient 200 pound wolf searched for food along the beach, wander out into the surf, and morphed (evolved) into a 100 ton whale. There is nothing scientific about it, but nonetheless, this is the fairy tale that some adults really believe! Especially comical are the nostrils migrating to the top of the head to become a blow hole!
@muddhole777 Intelligent design has not been proven, and was defined as religion in Kitzmiller vs Dover. This is Federal Law in the USA. Your 3rd rate vid from the Disco Institute [do the hustle] is utter bilge and toatally unreliable. Get better sources!
@djmixer7 Evolution doesn't claim anything of that sort. And yes, there is absolutely no proof of god. If you really think this is how evolution works, go read a simple high school biology book.
you fucking retards if the world "needed" to be "created" by a superior, omnipotent, all knowing, all powerful being because life is so complex then who the FUCK made this supernatural freak in the first place????? Face it you idiots are trying to argue against people who have dedicated decades of their lives to understand biology while you wasted your own precious time agreeing to whatever bullshit you local preacher vomits out of his pit of ignorance!!
Everything in reality first was a thought. Thought by someone before a word was made to express the idea. God, Jesus whatever your belief is nothing more then a thought many prominent people in society believe god is real but, they all have different interpretations of its presents with no physical evidence to prove its existence; other then personal idiomatic feeling. We are our own gods of our own perceived reality. That god is real only to your self. There’s no exterior omnipotent God.
Everything in reality first was a thought. Thought by someone before a word was made to express the idea. God, Jesus whatever your belief is nothing more then a thought many prominent people in society believe god is real but, they all have different interpretations of its presents with no physical evidence to prove its existence; other then personal idiomatic feeling. We are our own gods of our own perceived reality. That god is real only to your self. There’s no exterior omnipotent God.
@UnbiasedIntellectual actually no .. its to do with measuring the decay rate of atoms and radiation values... its consistent ... you can try it out across the dozens of methods of dating matter... ppl like yourself and the height of ignorance and use your failings as an excuse not to learn... afraid of the unknown are we!.... grow a pair of balls and actually go learn something..... "seek and ye shall find"... every scientist does that ;0)
religion is caked in "FORCED to be good by damnation tactics".to make the bad so called good.doesn't work like that.it is a choice if its really the intent of a decent person.you can kiss ass all you like.but if you need fear to be a decent person what does that say about that individual they are self destructive and to others.we are defined by our actions and molded to..and the perfect judge.and sentence will be our own actions ;0) perfect in every way.. stay dumb, tough! act ...become better!
@UnbiasedIntellectual your talking nonsense about this life... we make it what it is... so plz stop the manic depressive BS... but I guess some of us have worked that bit out.... reason/actions lead to solutions ... hope solves nothing! ... without pain life would have no meaning <---- how true... but as a species we can work together to reduce such uncomfortable ways.... religion will not solve it.. only reason and honestly (without FEAR concepts and damnation) otherwise its insincere morality
@UnbiasedIntellectual you ever thought that heaven(s) = space and afterlife was a way to control ppl to do certain social acts... a bribe... after all it does involve men between you and this god... of which there are many... i personally do not trust religion for any of its value's due to history and the sick side of so called good... all of it is nothing but a control system laced in false humility and bribes... you think god needs money lol.. i mean its just so petty! and weak!
@UnbiasedIntellectual yes thinking is the key to many balanced paths.how believing in a man made ideal of a god will not guarantee decency or our survival.the only real thing is learn from the mistakes of the past and improve on not repeating them. like superstition, witchcraft and all the mindless BS from desert dwellers with heatstroke and mental issues.if you cannot reason you are doomed and you will be meeting your god personally I would rather appreciate this life as its the only 1 we know!
@UnbiasedIntellectual or that the myths written by men about god are complete BS..which is really the case.... religion is a best guess - prescience based on no real collective knowledge or discipline with physics, biology, chemistry and the other multitude of practical applications..religion at the time these books were written was at a very early stage of questioning the environment around..that is why its complete bollox... over time science has opened our eyes towards a realistic reality!
Wow, you even managed to quote-mine Ken Miller! Great stuff! I suppose the bit about not bearing false witness plays no part in your faith, so if I asked you what religion you claim to be a part of, you would have no qualms about lying about that too.
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@EnragedTurkey it depends which god do you believe in and pls dont be one of those christains who ignore the bible and is like god is my savoir i just ignore all of his rules and stuff and all his messages. so if your something else that does not out right contradict evidence then it should be ok i guess. unless you made the god up urself.
@emanrulez1 well it all depends on how you take the context. for instance, in the bible it said it took God seven days to create everything. what's a day to a god? for all we know, the first day could be referring to the creation of earth and all the days after referring to the time between that and the dawn of man. If God has full control over nature, then wouldn't it make sense that evolution would be the most obvious way that he created man?
@EnragedTurkey "what's a day to a god" in context of genesis, the whole concept of a "day" is worthless. Why? Because the word "day" implies certain things.
Mainly the fact that you need to be on a planet that is orbitting a star and rotates around it's own axis. Without that star and the orbitting planet, the concept of a "day" doesn't even exist. But, this is exactly the kind of thing we expect from sheep herders who don't have any knowledge of what makes day/night happen.
@ScientificBob or, exactly how i would expect God to explain it to them. probably would have made it millions of times easier explaining it in a way sheep herders would understand.
@EnragedTurkey You aren't getting it. For the word "day" to have any kind of meaning, you need a rotating planet and a start to orbit around. There's no "day" and "night" in space or 'outside of space-time' (wherever that is...).
Are you saying that your god is some creature on some planet?
I'ld expect bronze-age nomads to talk about days, because they wouldn't have realised what a day REALLY is and how you can't have "days" if you are not on a rotating planet oribitting a sun
@EnragedTurkey or i could turn that around and say the samething about the ten commandments whats murder to a god? he must obvouisly mean not to murder myself. you see you cant take this stuff serious how about dont lie? he obviously meant to say thou shalt not lie unless you want to. sense hes all knowing it only makes since he'd know i would lie so he wouldnt make this rule of course. you see this is what you can get if you can pick and choose what you want to take serious and what u dont.
@EnragedTurkey What emanrulez is trying to say is that you don't have any objective basis to decide which parts of the bible are meant literally and which parts aren't.
And this is easily shown as well. Plenty of things in the bible were taken literally before science explained it. Like with this "6 days" business... People only stopped calling it literal days once they understood what is required for the concept of "day" to even exist.
@ScientificBob if you want to know what i'm basing my assumptions on, i am basing them on the most recent of the stories in the bible. obviously something happening about 2,000 years ago would be more accurately documented than something happening 10,000 years ago.
@EnragedTurkey That doesn't make any sense nore does it address the issue that was raised.
Also, by that reasoning (that the more recent stuff is more reliable then the more distant stuff), you'ld be required to go with science instead of the bible. So your non-argument is even contradictory to the position you take.
@EnragedTurkey BOB is right god says in his bible the bible is law. (that is not a qoute) he also says he's never changing so what he said then must also impact now or you'd by definition(of your god) have to say your god lied. cause he'd have to have changed wouldnt you think? also god let 2 billion people die without knowing the word of god? also i must ask you a question. why are they altering the bible? there taking out adam and eve? so if they can do it now they could do it before?
@emanrulez1 I'm a little confused as to what you are saying. no one is taking adam and eve out of the bible. not sure where u got that from. also, i'm sure that over the centuries people have changed the bible in a few parts. i can't necessarily trust them nutjobs over at the vatican. they've been holding on to it for so long keeping people from looking at it for centuries. im sure they have made modification.
@EnragedTurkey my question is how can you trust the bible as the word of god if people alter it? you even agreed that they may have altered it. even if it was only one time why would you alter the word of god? why would you do that? did god go hey guys alter this cause i changed my mind even though im never changing but dont tell anyone its altered. cmon now. also i will ask you this too why do you believe in a god. if you answer that then heres another why do you believe in the christian god.
"'fresh knowledge leads to recognition of the theory of evolution as more than just a hypothesis"
Pope John Paul II, 1996
One has to be extremely retarded to still stick to creationist nonsense if even the head of one of the most dogmatic religions on this globe doesn't believe in it.
OK lets say evolution is BULLSHIT & GOD created everything. Does it not stand to reason that then GOD IS THE SOURCE OF HOMOSEXUALITY, PORNOGRAPHY, AND RACISM.
I'll be short - God (conciousness) created everything even aliens. Natural selection IS a fact. Aliens created and genetically modified life on earth. And that's it! We create and alter life forms too. Alien life keeps a distance from us for obvious reasons - tyo let us develop. We will soon find out what is really going on. It's time.
Natural selection is not a development process... it's a selection process. Selective pressure cannot be measured or has no amount, and thus natural selection is not a development process, it does not effect any of the other random processes which develop an organism.
Uh....wtf is Darwinism? Is there a Newtonism? An Einsteinism?? BTW I really think they need to change the word Theory to Rule or something because that word is a problem. Most people dont understand what it means. If anything is apparent- it is that. The Rule of Evolution would cut a lot of crap out of the shit creationists try to feed people. jmho
your all hypocrites. a theory is a theory i dont care whos side your on... you people disgust me. You think you know EVERYTHING because you can factor prime numbers? or maybe you think your theorys are somehow logically different from a religious person.
i dont care what you are but NOTHING is ever "proven"... one of the scientists you look up to (and apparently worship if u go to hateful lengths to troll) has said that
@MrMeineNamen Well in actuallity, its you who have no idea what a scientific theory means, LOL. Ok, so how do you explain the fact that Humans and Chimpanzees hav 98% similar DNA, and that or cells have 46 base pars of cromozones, while their cells have 48 (because of fushion in the cromozones), and their 3 and4 is fushed to what is out 3? How do you explain that?
@MrMeineNamen And to you a theory means? Because you seem to think a theory is a gues, which it isnt. If you think it is you need to go read some actuall science, not creationist pages.
@gulbirk and to you faith means? you have faith in your theory... if you werent so ignorant you would see we are both the same but believe in different things... u read textbook pages and i read the bible. both are paper written by people weve never met. that make it fiction? no. do you now see the hypocracy
@MrMeineNamen No, the paper I read is demonstrably true, LOL. I remember talking to you, but you refuse to do any actuall study in science so pleas stop. You dont know the different between an hypothesis and a theory, you dont know what the scientific method is. You dont understand what demonstrably true means. Do some science BEFORE you make thoose claims.
@gulbirk the book i read is demonstrably true LOL. see we can both say that it doesnt make anything more real. btw i have an education my life doesnt revolve around the bible i dont claim to know EVERYTHING because i can factor just because i go to church every now and then doesnt make me less intelligent. be less ignorant from now on
@MrMeineNamen Im not ignorant. And btw, 99,95% of biologists would say you were an idiot. You dont understand what demonstrably true means. Your book suggest that the earth existed BEFORE the sun. thats demonstrably FALSE. Its not my problem that you dont understand science.
@gulbirk lol i suppose you pulled those stats out of your butt... 99% of biologists would say that because THEY ARE BIOLOGISTS. btw not all of them are athiest
@MrMeineNamen Im not talking about religion here, LOL. Im talking about evolution. And btw, yes, 99,95% of biologists would say that evolution is a fact. It doesnt have anything to do with atheism. Francis Collin is the head leader of the human genome project. He has done great work in figuring out how we share a common ancestor with chimpanzees, AND HE IS A CATHOLIC. That doesnt bother me at all.
@MrMeineNamen 99,95 isnt above 100, hahahhaha. 99,95+ 0,05= 100. Since you dont even known simple math that tells me something about you, lol. I have to include that in my upcoming video. Just gooogle biologists who believe evolution is a fact. There are several studies. Google DonExodus2, he has several of them. BUT, if you think 99,95 is ABOVE 100 you seriously need to get back to school because again. 99,95+ 0,05=100
@gulbirk then you need to learn what the difference between a comma and a period are artard. a PERIOD is what you put in a percentage. just another example of some athiest pretending to know everything no matter what anyone says to them. but what do i know? apparently a simple difference between the compounding of multiple digit numbers. idio
@MrMeineNamen Actually you can use a period all the time, but that doesnt matter. 99.95 or 99,95. Anyone with a brain can understand what it means. Also, now you are just dodging what we are talking about, which is so typical from creationists.
@gulbirk no i would be happy to return back to me proving your an ignorant hypocrite but you you want to make a debate with someone how about making yourself look more intelligent instead of just assuming "anyone with a brain can understand"... just another sign of your yelling and spitting to reassert yourself
@MrMeineNamen NO im just sick of your way of arguing because you refuse to go read anything about evolution. FIrst of you didnt know what a theory was. When I asked you to explain the similarities between humans and chimpz your ONLY response is ""There is no evidence for evolution""": So why the similarities, why the cromozone similarities? Why do we have several human species that fits on a fossil level and DNA level? Why do 99.95% of biologists believe in evolution?
@gulbirk you are the BIGGEST ignorant stereotypist iv ever seen in my entire life! never once did i say i didnt believe in evolution! what? just because im christian means im just incapable of knowing science. jesus christ you are the WORST kind of person...
and how about this: you refuse to read anything about the bible
@MrMeineNamen WHat, I was a christians until the age of 14. I think It would be fair to say that I have read about 80% of the bible. I didnt argue that you dont BELIEVE in evolution. I argued your understanding of Nr1. WHat a theory is. Nr2: What evolution is considered to be. Nr3: science.
I hate it when people say that evolution is merely a theory and therefor not proven. Well there is the theory of gravity as well. I am going to go walk outside and I DAMN well better float into the sky.
@podoau indeed we did. Without searching google, I can recall it was used to break down a type of enzyme or cellulose? I believe it's a similar thing which allows rabbits to eat their own excrement, although I don't believe we used it that way. Anyway our diet doesn't require it anymore, so it will be on it's way out
@kly45 Quite correct. In fact, how do you know you even have one ? nless you have have some kind of internal examination, MRI etc, or appenacitis, there is a good chance you dont have an appendix.
Science has never been wrong. Evolution is wrong. Evolution = dumbass .science = stuff like medicine. you cannot disprove religion because it has never been done. and if humans came from monkeys how come nothing has come from humans?
@supermariobubba Evolution is a branch of biological science. Its a science because it stands up to the scientific model..
So you argument is that you cant disprove religion so that makes religion true ? I guess that means the Loch Ness monster is real because you cant disprove it.
No one every said humans came from monkeys. Did you miss science classes too ??
Meh, the argument of evolution vs religion is for the birds.
I have no clue why people continue to cling to archaic arguments such as these when they should have been left in the stone age where they belonged. but whatever floats your boat I suppose!
"Random mutations consistently destroy information." P. 15; "Selection cannot rescue the genome." P. 69; "Mutation / selection cannot even create a single gene." P. 123; "All evidence points to human genetic degradation." P.143 - Genetic Entropy & The Mystery of the Genome by Cornell U. Genetics Professor John Sanford. He holds 25 genetic patents and is the inventor of the gene gun. He is truly an expert on the subject of mutations and natural selection. Evolution is a fairy tale for adults.
All scientific laws support creation. As of yet we have no laws that support evolutionism. Evolutionism has been rejected because it breaks many accepted laws of science. Whatever evolutionists tell you it is NOT part of any science we are aware of.
@warriorprince1010 Creationism is biblical teachings turned pseudoscience, and I'm not saying that god doesn't exist, but to believe in creation is almost laughable. There is a large amount of evidence to support evolution, such as dating methods, uranium-lead dating is the most accurate, and don't say that it isn't because even if it wasn't it couldn't be of by billions of years. Also I hope you know there are different variations of evolution such as theistic evolution.
@supermariobubba ah, so your response is just to get a bit insulting,
The orignal post stated "All scientific laws support creation " Just that very statement is unfounded and incorrect.. In fact, EVERY sentance in the post is incorrect.
This person obviously missed all the science classes at school
Whaat? Do you still don't believe in evolution? Ohhh its proven, what are you going to say of the different kind of hominid fossils ? They are all real and proven, so have you ever wonder why the europeans has white skin and the africans has dark? or native caucasians are hairy etc...? Evolution is real if you dont eccept it then you are fooling yourself !
I hate when people say "it's the THEORY of evolution, doesn't mean it was proven" haha have you heard of the THEORY of gravity? idiots. And evolution is proven, there is hard genetic proof.
@TheIronSights read this whole page. it documents our entire evolutionary timeline. search "timeline of human evolution on wikipedia" as apparently i am not allowed to post links
Who's the indian homophobian hahahahha... I love the argument "It doesn't say "fact of evolution" hahahha. It's also called the theory of relativity and the theory of gravity. You guys, this is just ridiculous.
Wow, evolutionists will believe anything. What a bunch of dolts they are. Do yourself a favor and read a few of A. E. Wilder-Smith books and also Robert Dick Wilson's book "A Scientific Investigation of the Old Testament". Do you know that Noah's Ark was discovered? Also, Sodom and Gomorrah, the Red Sea crossing site, the real Mount Sinai the Ark of the Covenant? Yes, the proof is there. All one must do is seek.
@thechessstick do you know that the "ark" they found wasn't even large enough to accommodate enough food the just 2 of every animal to survive as long as they would have needed to, "the red sea" is better translated in it's context as "sea of reeds", what they are calling the ark hasnt got much evidence of any sort to back up its claim, and no they havn't pinpointed sinai there are several mountains which are belived could be the location refered to. all one must do is fact check what one reads.
I just learn that the word god was based on idealisme(the perfect world). If you search for the theory of Platon you will see alot that religion is based on that theory that means it was before jesus christ and alot of religions.
this is utterly crazy and unbelievable, is this the twilightzone? am i the only one that knows? could a few simple facts be overlooked by chance, purpose or ignorance and create such a misinformed mess? STUDY Darwin! he believed in GOD! Unitarian from birth, was baptized, attended church, studied natural theology (devine design). stated his view as agnostic theism. QUOTE: I have NEVER been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of God. HE said God used evolut. to start life! WAKE UP!!!
early in his carrier, yes. later on, however, he stopped attending services.
his wife expressed concern over it, in fact. but despite that, she still held that he was not a believer after he died and the "deathbed conversion" myth started.
Revelation 10:11 And they say to me(John), "You must prophesy again with regard to peoples and nations and tongues and many kings."
Is John one of the witnesses?
Check out my favs, especially the one about the stars found in the bible. Pics in those videos of the Sun Moon and Stars are authentic and the end time is drawing. The stars seem to be 11 then 12 and then definitely7. Check out these symbols and signs from heaven.
Putting on my apologist hat: "lol but datajackone! god never came into being! god doesn't need a beginning because he's outside the universe! don't you know this, lololol"
All the books say 'Theory of Evolution'' NO SHIT, the Theory of Evolution is a Theory, Did you figure that out all by yourself?
gregrutz 2 months ago
"In the beginning God"
Not;
in the beginning Nothing
Finite Matter scientifically can Not be brought to being by Nothing,
Nor can it be eternal because you can NOT go back far enough in time to have a Beginning or 1st day in order to get to here, Therefore GOD IS & science agrees
ncwdane 2 months ago
@ncwdane oops thats a finite human talking.
Universe (God if you prefer) always was and always will be. There was no beginning, no 1st day as you put it. Hard for a finite human to grasp.
Matter cannot be created or destroyed, but can change form.
chicraig6421 2 months ago
@chicraig6421 You are Going against Scientific Principles !
you cant flip a light swith infinity times, keep on flipping...... never get there,
in the same way, you can NOT go back far enough in time to get to the 1st Day & complete it so you can have a 2nd Day to get to today,
"in the Beginning God" doesnt mean God appeared & then things began, God was already there & then he Created thus starting the Biginning for us Finite creations, that is scientifically Accurate, Big bang is NOT
ncwdane 2 months ago
@ncwdane Ya know Im going back to what I said. There was no beginning, and there is no end. We finite beings cannot understand that. you can turn you switch on and off until it wares out, wont change what I said.
Like I said the Universe (God if you like)-no beginning - no end.
chicraig6421 2 months ago
@chicraig6421 Believe that if you want but your belief is not scientific
(God is NOT the universe) God is the creator, not the creation !
ncwdane 2 months ago
@ncwdane Thanks for your permission to say 'God = the universe or the universe = God
they are 1 in the same.
God Bless you and everyone
chicraig6421 2 months ago
@chicraig6421 You dont Need my permission,
you Have a right to your wrong opinion,
Very new age, almost as if you got it from the movie Avitar
God is Spirit & you must worship Him in spirit & in Truth,
He is the creator, not the creation,
He is nor something you can examine under a micro-scope or a Tele scope,
thats rediculas,
Scientifically Finite can NOT be eternal,
you can NOT go back far enough in time to get here...
(Gods outside the time realm) The Bibles always stated that !
ncwdane 2 months ago
@ncwdane Thanks you argue my point. God-the universe-is infinite.
The universe / God is outside the realm of time. Thats way I say we as finite humans cannot understand God-the universe.
We all come from the universe/God and we all will return to God-the universe. They are 1 in the same.
chicraig6421 2 months ago
@chicraig6421 It sounds like you are misunderstanding me,
I DO NOT Argue YOUR Point
God is NOT the universe nor is he any chemical/molecule or Mater contained in the universe, God created the universe, & the universe scientifically can not of always existed !
God hath said re; such philosophy in Romans1;25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
(so the universe & God are NOT 1 of the same)
ncwdane 2 months ago
@ncwdane how do you know all of this?
omgopet 2 months ago
@omgopet Ask Hoim if he's real to reveal himself to you
ncwdane 2 months ago
@ncwdane I dislike it when people say this kind of thing. Yes; god is a filler of gaps for some, but please dont ever say '& science agrees'. They might not.
UpgradedWorld 2 months ago
@UpgradedWorld Your suppose to say, "For example" & then give an example & proof for you assertian, or else it's just shooting from the Hip words,
Give a water tight example of where the Bibles not scientifically Accurate
ncwdane 2 months ago
@ncwdane I wasnt saying anything about the Bible being scientifically accurate (that debate is a long one). I was simply requesting that someone didnt decide someones viewpoint, especially such a generic set of people. Let the scientists decide for themselves.
UpgradedWorld 2 months ago
@ncwdane do some homework... and watch the video where Steven Hawking explains how it is possible for entire Universe to pop out into existence without any miracles... it can simply form its self with the current known laws of physics....:/
DrKillaser 2 months ago
@DrKillaser Yes, I've watched Much material on the Matter,
It is all very Faith Based,(More like grasping for straws) to expain away God & Hold on to a bankrupt Theory, TY for suggesting, But alraedy been there, I Learned how much once you get past quarks(which really hasn't even been observed), But once you get Past that then leptons, and Higgs bosons are mearly Theory, Much less something from Nothing which really is rediculas, But you do have a right to believe everything came from nothing
ncwdane 2 months ago
@Struss1982 My comment is attacking christains who observe paganism and teach there children cartoons stories like Santa because Jesus said NO! Why? There roots go back to Babylon,the drunken whore of Babylon,and a lot of real christains were forced and beheaded because of Sunday. This was predicted in the bible before it happen and its predicted to happen again. GERMANY is becoming powerful again and it has passed a forceful law,and that's to closed all business on Sunday. Christains mock god
pillowhole 2 months ago
Actually, there is no such things as 'Darwinism'.
What you are referring to is the Theory of Evolution.
Uberlaser 2 months ago
The bible is law that starts at the thought pattern,its all sum up as love defining god. Man has error since the beginning,and bible history show's that. Christain's believe god laws were done away at the cross,and that reviled there bloody history. Even today they observe paganism like Christmas,Easter,and Sunday sun-worship. This show's who are beast of law less that will rise again.
pillowhole 3 months ago
is that a baby with a indian accent ? 1:20
DirtyEdon 4 months ago
Darwinian Evolution doesn't so much justify things that are wrong. I would say that it actually cannot explain how said wrong things are objectively wrong. Evolution may be able to account for subject moral values, but it cannot account for objective moral standards.
gelndjjrskcene 4 months ago
@gelndjjrskcene that is because objective moral standards do not exists. like free will. it is an illusion that some ancient peoples thought up.
roont 4 months ago
@roont If there are no objective moral standards then there is nothing inherently wrong with rape or genocide. Now I'm not going to try to prove objective moral values exist, but if you don't say that objective moral values exist, then you have to say that there is nothing wrong with racism or many other things that are considered "wrong" by our society.
gelndjjrskcene 4 months ago
@gelndjjrskcene Absolutely not. Why do you think because nature does not hand us down rules from on high, that rape and racism are okay? You need to get in tune with nature man. Ask the jaguar if he thinks its objectively immoral for it to hunt, rip away from its herd, and kill a lame gazelle baby and eat it alive. Or the black widow if its immoral to eat her partner after mating? Those things that WE deem wrong are because we live in a society.
roont 4 months ago
@gelndjjrskcene IMO, if these were "morals" were some code written into the universe, then don't you think that everyone would follow them? If OBJECTIVE morals exist, then why do we HAVE murderers and rapists and homophobes and sexism? Why do those "bad" things exist?
roont 4 months ago
@roont You are misunderstanding what I am saying. I'm not saying that those things are wrong for animals or whatever. The objective morality I'm speaking of only applies to human beings because God only gave us those rules. If said objective morality doesn't exist, then there isn't anything wrong with murder, rape, and stuff. If objective morals do exist, then it by no means prevents murderers from existing. It just means there are people who break the rules. Do you understand what i'msayin now?
gelndjjrskcene 4 months ago
@gelndjjrskcene Yes, and I think you misunderstand me too. The way that I see it, we are animals. we're mammals, warm blooded vertebrates. We are not separate from the other plants and animals on this planet. Different, but not separate. And any laws which apply to them, apply to us as well and vice-versa. There is a set of laws like that. The laws of physics apply to all life without prejudice. These are laws THAT CAN NOT BE BROKEN. Its impossible to. They are truly objective.
roont 4 months ago
@gelndjjrskcene And yes, I understand what you're saying. But to me, that does not sound very objective. If the rules depend on the situation and the people or things involved, then how can they be anything but subjective? The Mayans sacrificed people every day to make sure the sun would rise. They thought they had to, or the sun wouldn't come up. It must have APPEARED to them to be objective, a law that had to be followed, but it wasn't truly objective.
roont 4 months ago
@roont I think I get what you're saying now. And I think i'm actually more in agreement than you think. I'm not trying to make a claim that objective moral values exist. What I'm trying to say is that evolution CANNOT explain objective morals. What you're saying is that we aren't any different from animals and so objective moral values don't exist. I say if that is true, then you are right, objective moral values don't exist. But if that is true, then it should follow that there is nothing inher
gelndjjrskcene 4 months ago
@gelndjjrskcene Ah, okay. I see what you're saying. But I'm still a little unclear on why you say so. Evolution does not explain objective morals, but it also does not explain nuclear physics. And that is simply because evolution does not try to explain nuclear physics. Or objective moral codes. Evolution does not even try to explain the origins of life. All that evolution explains is how species change over time. This is all evolution explains, and it does so superbly.
roont 4 months ago
@roont but of course, this doesn't necessarily mean that those other things do not exist.
roont 4 months ago
@roont I agree with you that evolution does not try to explain those things. However, people that believe that evolution is the end all say all cannot claim that anything is inherently wrong because their worldview does not permit for objective moral standards. That's really what i'm trying to get at.
gelndjjrskcene 4 months ago
@gelndjjrskcene Well then we are in agreement! However those people who claim 'evolution is the end all, say all," the ones you are talking about at least, understand evolution as much as creationists. That is to say, not at all. As I mentioned I do not believe objective moral standards exist. That does not mean to say though, that I think rape is okay. Our subjective morals, (don't kill or steal from your neighbor), I believe are imprinted on us in the evolutionary sense...
roont 4 months ago
@gelndjjrskcene (cont) I believe are imprinted on us in the evolutionary sense... that had we not developed these rules for living together in a society, we would have gone extinct long ago. But they are just that, our rules. Human rules. Not ordained by a god or the universe, but invented by us to better care for ourselves and our loved ones.
roont 4 months ago
@gelndjjrskcene Religious claims of objective moral standards are perfectionist ideology that has little to do with the real world. Regardless of claims that one gets their morals from "god" or not, they are the ones making the claims. These "objective" rules never are complete and most are archaic and of little use. People are always making claims that they claim come from god while another person gets their different morals from "god".
mentalphysicalism 3 months ago
@roont ently wrong with rape and genocide. What I am saying does not depend on the situation, people, or things involved. Objective moral values apply to everyone. For instance, if it is objectively true that we should not kill each other, then we shouldn't. And if there are people that kill each other, then they are simply breaking the moral law that applies to everyone. Also, although a moral law may appear objective, does not mean it is. It's like someone saying something is true but it isn't
gelndjjrskcene 4 months ago
Evolution justifies homosexuality, divorce and abortion? You forgot Nazism.
AcAwSk8Vids 4 months ago
"Evolution causes homosexuality, divorce, abortion . . ." The implication in these audio bits that " . . . even if evolution is true . . ." we should disbelieve it because it causes bad stuff to happen is itself unbelievable. I have a really difficult time understanding how a human mind capable of thought could excrete such obvious nonsense.
gnrands50 4 months ago
WHY!? Why the fuck are people so goddamn fucking stupid? Do they really think that every creature on Earth was created AS IS, and has never eveoled? Oh, that's right. The Earth is only 6,000 years old and every person on it is an inbred from Noah's bloodline.(Who's 77 Ark folk re-populated the Earth in just a couple generations.) Religion is indoctrination for the useless and stupid who would rather live as zombies & let religion tell 'em how to live because life scares the shit out of them.
TheCrimsonification 4 months ago
@TheCrimsonification What makes more SENSE the world was repopulated by 8 people who where created by an all powerful god or that a fully functional cell in all of its vast intricate complexity was able to build and give life to itself POOF out of nowhere! THINK about it.
achiwowow 4 months ago
@achiwowow That would be possible in a lab. WE ARE TANK BORN PRODUCTS OF A SYRINGE!!! See? I like getting stoned and shitfaced too.
TheCrimsonification 3 months ago
@achiwowow hahahaha... and god creating man is not POOF?! Yeah, what is more likely - science or magic.
eleminatus 3 months ago
Lol.... Creationists believe that some magician In the sky made everything.... How fucking stupid does that sound?
Lawlzilla 4 months ago 2
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Atheists believe that objects made them what they are.
Evolution is an absolute disgrace to science.
Objects never order anything, mutations never order anything and natural selection will only select what has already been ordered.
Evolution is so irrational that it should be removed from all classrooms.
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JungleJargon 4 months ago
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"So the first claim, that random mutations are selected and create different forms of life, is unsustained. The second problem is that there are a vast number of complex systems in nature, and no matter how unglamorous this problem is, no matter how people try to look the other way, the fact is that a huge number of highly complex systems in nature cannot be plausibly accounted for in terms of a gradual build-up of small random mutations." - Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis
achilles197474 4 months ago
just imagine in the world exist so powerful civilization which can create organism like human, create planets, stars. Incredible to image this, not for human mind.
amper1141 4 months ago
Evolution is 99.9% true ,proven, bitch
MidgeX2000 4 months ago
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you should feel bad becouse your Imaginary gone whith the wind. A famous British paleontologist, Derek V. Ager, admits
this fact, even though he is an evolutionist:
The point emerges that if we examine the fossil record in detail,
whether at the level of orders or of species, we find—over and
over again—not gradual evolution, but the sudden explosion of
one group
There is no Evolution, ((but)) that does not means that the Bible is true
Findsomthingright 4 months ago
Creation is 100% Truth
Evolution is 100% Deception.
Evolution = Nephilim Education
Google: Evolution Explained Vip
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SpiritWorldBlog 4 months ago
@SpiritWorldBlog
Story of Red Riding Hood is 100% truth.
History of the Roman Empire is 100% deception.
History of Roman Empire = Nephilim Education.
Now read your own comment, and think about what you wrote.
OptimalElement 4 months ago
@OptimalElement Ridding Hood = Folktale based on World Morals.
Story of Roman Empire is equal to the Story of the Mayan and many others.
They tried to rule but failed. We will try too, and will fail just like them.
SpiritWorldBlog 4 months ago
@SpiritWorldBlog
When you say ''We'' who exactly do you mean?
OptimalElement 4 months ago
@OptimalElement United States. It's our turn next...
SpiritWorldBlog 4 months ago
@SpiritWorldBlog
If you continue to let religion influence your political and economic plans, then probably US will not have much time left indeed. Start addressing your economical and social issue by first making reforms in your system and how your country is run. Not just sit back, engage in self pity and think its God punishing you because its not god. Australia and Canada are secular societies, yet they don't experience same social and economical issues as US. Think about that.
OptimalElement 4 months ago
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Hey, kiddos, want to see a fairy tale that adults really believe? Google whale evolution and go watch a 7 minutes video on the PBS web site that shows how an ancient 200 pound wolf searched for food along the beach, wander out into the surf, and morphed (evolved) into a 100 ton whale. There is nothing scientific about it, but nonetheless, this is the fairy tale that some adults really believe! Especially comical are the nostrils migrating to the top of the head to become a blow hole!
achilles197474 4 months ago
Mathematics is a tool of the scientists! It's fake! Pi is an arbitrary number that means nothing! God is great!
Scorpionloses 4 months ago
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Hey, kiddos, want to see a fairy tale that adults really believe? Google whale evolution and go watch a 7 minutes video on the PBS web site that shows how an ancient 200 pound wolf searched for food along the beach, wander out into the surf, and morphed (evolved) into a 100 ton whale. There is nothing scientific about it, but nonetheless, this is the fairy tale that some adults really believe! Especially comical are the nostrils migrating to the top of the head to become a blow hole!
achilles197474 5 months ago
Anyway, watch this video on how it was intelligent design is proven and that Darwin sucks!. watch?v=kFNtdM8Ococ
muddhole777 5 months ago
@muddhole777 Intelligent design has not been proven, and was defined as religion in Kitzmiller vs Dover. This is Federal Law in the USA. Your 3rd rate vid from the Disco Institute [do the hustle] is utter bilge and toatally unreliable. Get better sources!
Bjornagin 4 months ago
You say no physical evidence to prove a god? Have you ever seen life rise out of the dirt, like evolution claims? Yeah, I didn't think so!
djmixer7 5 months ago
@djmixer7 Evolution doesn't claim anything of that sort. And yes, there is absolutely no proof of god. If you really think this is how evolution works, go read a simple high school biology book.
bobbysaysyo 5 months ago
@bobbysaysyo Yeah, it does, I took high school biology. How do you think it explains life got here?
djmixer7 5 months ago
@djmixer7 That's the thing, it doesn't try to.
bobbysaysyo 5 months ago
you fucking retards if the world "needed" to be "created" by a superior, omnipotent, all knowing, all powerful being because life is so complex then who the FUCK made this supernatural freak in the first place????? Face it you idiots are trying to argue against people who have dedicated decades of their lives to understand biology while you wasted your own precious time agreeing to whatever bullshit you local preacher vomits out of his pit of ignorance!!
krinoable 5 months ago 2
Everything in reality first was a thought. Thought by someone before a word was made to express the idea. God, Jesus whatever your belief is nothing more then a thought many prominent people in society believe god is real but, they all have different interpretations of its presents with no physical evidence to prove its existence; other then personal idiomatic feeling. We are our own gods of our own perceived reality. That god is real only to your self. There’s no exterior omnipotent God.
ttopperr 5 months ago
Everything in reality first was a thought. Thought by someone before a word was made to express the idea. God, Jesus whatever your belief is nothing more then a thought many prominent people in society believe god is real but, they all have different interpretations of its presents with no physical evidence to prove its existence; other then personal idiomatic feeling. We are our own gods of our own perceived reality. That god is real only to your self. There’s no exterior omnipotent God.
ttopperr 5 months ago
I mean the part of the Video where the man take of the kipa of his head? What is that video about?
luisrebaza 5 months ago
What is that muslim video about, where can I watch the complete video?
luisrebaza 5 months ago
@UnbiasedIntellectual actually no .. its to do with measuring the decay rate of atoms and radiation values... its consistent ... you can try it out across the dozens of methods of dating matter... ppl like yourself and the height of ignorance and use your failings as an excuse not to learn... afraid of the unknown are we!.... grow a pair of balls and actually go learn something..... "seek and ye shall find"... every scientist does that ;0)
jammapcb 5 months ago
religion is caked in "FORCED to be good by damnation tactics".to make the bad so called good.doesn't work like that.it is a choice if its really the intent of a decent person.you can kiss ass all you like.but if you need fear to be a decent person what does that say about that individual they are self destructive and to others.we are defined by our actions and molded to..and the perfect judge.and sentence will be our own actions ;0) perfect in every way.. stay dumb, tough! act ...become better!
jammapcb 5 months ago
@UnbiasedIntellectual your talking nonsense about this life... we make it what it is... so plz stop the manic depressive BS... but I guess some of us have worked that bit out.... reason/actions lead to solutions ... hope solves nothing! ... without pain life would have no meaning <---- how true... but as a species we can work together to reduce such uncomfortable ways.... religion will not solve it.. only reason and honestly (without FEAR concepts and damnation) otherwise its insincere morality
jammapcb 5 months ago
@UnbiasedIntellectual you ever thought that heaven(s) = space and afterlife was a way to control ppl to do certain social acts... a bribe... after all it does involve men between you and this god... of which there are many... i personally do not trust religion for any of its value's due to history and the sick side of so called good... all of it is nothing but a control system laced in false humility and bribes... you think god needs money lol.. i mean its just so petty! and weak!
jammapcb 5 months ago
@UnbiasedIntellectual yes thinking is the key to many balanced paths.how believing in a man made ideal of a god will not guarantee decency or our survival.the only real thing is learn from the mistakes of the past and improve on not repeating them. like superstition, witchcraft and all the mindless BS from desert dwellers with heatstroke and mental issues.if you cannot reason you are doomed and you will be meeting your god personally I would rather appreciate this life as its the only 1 we know!
jammapcb 5 months ago
@UnbiasedIntellectual ignorance is bliss.... i also do not imply there is no god... just our version of it is .. wack!
jammapcb 5 months ago
@UnbiasedIntellectual or that the myths written by men about god are complete BS..which is really the case.... religion is a best guess - prescience based on no real collective knowledge or discipline with physics, biology, chemistry and the other multitude of practical applications..religion at the time these books were written was at a very early stage of questioning the environment around..that is why its complete bollox... over time science has opened our eyes towards a realistic reality!
jammapcb 6 months ago
@UnbiasedIntellectual Thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard.
You dont need to take that on faith, because there is something called evidence that actually backs it up.
You didnt give me any reason/evidence to believe that god is right, or even exist.
gulbirk 6 months ago
Ok, give the list of hundreds of nobel prize winners who dont believe in evolution.
Evolution the source of abortion? No, not at all, in Nature she would have that child, but then die if she couldnt provide food to it.
gulbirk 6 months ago
How many of you were the little ape at the beginning of the line..better watch out an evolutionist might try to .................
RobLeveille 6 months ago
Wow, you even managed to quote-mine Ken Miller! Great stuff! I suppose the bit about not bearing false witness plays no part in your faith, so if I asked you what religion you claim to be a part of, you would have no qualms about lying about that too.
Zimbrabim 6 months ago
Damn you evolution! Why did you have to create pornography!
Paddles1993 6 months ago
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emanrulez1 6 months ago
The Lord will tell all of you the truth about our existence when you face your judgment.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
I believe in both evolution and God. Can't evolution be the how and God be the why?
EnragedTurkey 6 months ago
@EnragedTurkey it depends which god do you believe in and pls dont be one of those christains who ignore the bible and is like god is my savoir i just ignore all of his rules and stuff and all his messages. so if your something else that does not out right contradict evidence then it should be ok i guess. unless you made the god up urself.
emanrulez1 6 months ago
@emanrulez1 well it all depends on how you take the context. for instance, in the bible it said it took God seven days to create everything. what's a day to a god? for all we know, the first day could be referring to the creation of earth and all the days after referring to the time between that and the dawn of man. If God has full control over nature, then wouldn't it make sense that evolution would be the most obvious way that he created man?
EnragedTurkey 6 months ago
@EnragedTurkey "what's a day to a god" in context of genesis, the whole concept of a "day" is worthless. Why? Because the word "day" implies certain things.
Mainly the fact that you need to be on a planet that is orbitting a star and rotates around it's own axis. Without that star and the orbitting planet, the concept of a "day" doesn't even exist. But, this is exactly the kind of thing we expect from sheep herders who don't have any knowledge of what makes day/night happen.
ScientificBob 6 months ago
@ScientificBob or, exactly how i would expect God to explain it to them. probably would have made it millions of times easier explaining it in a way sheep herders would understand.
EnragedTurkey 6 months ago
@EnragedTurkey You aren't getting it. For the word "day" to have any kind of meaning, you need a rotating planet and a start to orbit around. There's no "day" and "night" in space or 'outside of space-time' (wherever that is...).
Are you saying that your god is some creature on some planet?
I'ld expect bronze-age nomads to talk about days, because they wouldn't have realised what a day REALLY is and how you can't have "days" if you are not on a rotating planet oribitting a sun
ScientificBob 6 months ago
@ScientificBob and i would expect God to explain it to them in a way they would understand.
EnragedTurkey 6 months ago
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@EnragedTurkey "and i would expect God to explain it to them in a way they would understand."
By saying things that are blatantly incorrect and non-sensical?
Okay then. You have strange expectations.
ScientificBob 6 months ago
@EnragedTurkey or i could turn that around and say the samething about the ten commandments whats murder to a god? he must obvouisly mean not to murder myself. you see you cant take this stuff serious how about dont lie? he obviously meant to say thou shalt not lie unless you want to. sense hes all knowing it only makes since he'd know i would lie so he wouldnt make this rule of course. you see this is what you can get if you can pick and choose what you want to take serious and what u dont.
emanrulez1 6 months ago
@emanrulez1 He meant that we shouldn't lie and kill each other. Even that is pretty obvious.
EnragedTurkey 6 months ago
@EnragedTurkey What emanrulez is trying to say is that you don't have any objective basis to decide which parts of the bible are meant literally and which parts aren't.
And this is easily shown as well. Plenty of things in the bible were taken literally before science explained it. Like with this "6 days" business... People only stopped calling it literal days once they understood what is required for the concept of "day" to even exist.
If you can't see the problem here, then... yeah.
ScientificBob 6 months ago
@ScientificBob if you want to know what i'm basing my assumptions on, i am basing them on the most recent of the stories in the bible. obviously something happening about 2,000 years ago would be more accurately documented than something happening 10,000 years ago.
EnragedTurkey 6 months ago
@EnragedTurkey That doesn't make any sense nore does it address the issue that was raised.
Also, by that reasoning (that the more recent stuff is more reliable then the more distant stuff), you'ld be required to go with science instead of the bible. So your non-argument is even contradictory to the position you take.
ScientificBob 6 months ago
@EnragedTurkey BOB is right god says in his bible the bible is law. (that is not a qoute) he also says he's never changing so what he said then must also impact now or you'd by definition(of your god) have to say your god lied. cause he'd have to have changed wouldnt you think? also god let 2 billion people die without knowing the word of god? also i must ask you a question. why are they altering the bible? there taking out adam and eve? so if they can do it now they could do it before?
emanrulez1 6 months ago
@emanrulez1 I'm a little confused as to what you are saying. no one is taking adam and eve out of the bible. not sure where u got that from. also, i'm sure that over the centuries people have changed the bible in a few parts. i can't necessarily trust them nutjobs over at the vatican. they've been holding on to it for so long keeping people from looking at it for centuries. im sure they have made modification.
EnragedTurkey 6 months ago
@EnragedTurkey my question is how can you trust the bible as the word of god if people alter it? you even agreed that they may have altered it. even if it was only one time why would you alter the word of god? why would you do that? did god go hey guys alter this cause i changed my mind even though im never changing but dont tell anyone its altered. cmon now. also i will ask you this too why do you believe in a god. if you answer that then heres another why do you believe in the christian god.
emanrulez1 6 months ago
"'fresh knowledge leads to recognition of the theory of evolution as more than just a hypothesis"
Pope John Paul II, 1996
One has to be extremely retarded to still stick to creationist nonsense if even the head of one of the most dogmatic religions on this globe doesn't believe in it.
kFrederking 6 months ago
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shncsr 6 months ago
OK lets say evolution is BULLSHIT & GOD created everything. Does it not stand to reason that then GOD IS THE SOURCE OF HOMOSEXUALITY, PORNOGRAPHY, AND RACISM.
cfrancisco74 6 months ago 2
Yes yes, Evolution does contradict Islam, because Islam is bullshit.
TomahawkTerror 7 months ago 2
what was this video about? Maybe its just me but I did not get it.
Creationist6000 7 months ago
I'll be short - God (conciousness) created everything even aliens. Natural selection IS a fact. Aliens created and genetically modified life on earth. And that's it! We create and alter life forms too. Alien life keeps a distance from us for obvious reasons - tyo let us develop. We will soon find out what is really going on. It's time.
tubemonks 8 months ago
Natural selection is not a development process... it's a selection process. Selective pressure cannot be measured or has no amount, and thus natural selection is not a development process, it does not effect any of the other random processes which develop an organism.
ThomasWinkworth 9 months ago
Uh....wtf is Darwinism? Is there a Newtonism? An Einsteinism?? BTW I really think they need to change the word Theory to Rule or something because that word is a problem. Most people dont understand what it means. If anything is apparent- it is that. The Rule of Evolution would cut a lot of crap out of the shit creationists try to feed people. jmho
mucephi1 9 months ago
your all hypocrites. a theory is a theory i dont care whos side your on... you people disgust me. You think you know EVERYTHING because you can factor prime numbers? or maybe you think your theorys are somehow logically different from a religious person.
i dont care what you are but NOTHING is ever "proven"... one of the scientists you look up to (and apparently worship if u go to hateful lengths to troll) has said that
MrMeineNamen 9 months ago
@MrMeineNamen Well in actuallity, its you who have no idea what a scientific theory means, LOL. Ok, so how do you explain the fact that Humans and Chimpanzees hav 98% similar DNA, and that or cells have 46 base pars of cromozones, while their cells have 48 (because of fushion in the cromozones), and their 3 and4 is fushed to what is out 3? How do you explain that?
gulbirk 9 months ago
@gulbirk its a theory dumb nuts... dont be a hypocrite
MrMeineNamen 9 months ago
@MrMeineNamen And to you a theory means? Because you seem to think a theory is a gues, which it isnt. If you think it is you need to go read some actuall science, not creationist pages.
gulbirk 9 months ago 2
@gulbirk and to you faith means? you have faith in your theory... if you werent so ignorant you would see we are both the same but believe in different things... u read textbook pages and i read the bible. both are paper written by people weve never met. that make it fiction? no. do you now see the hypocracy
MrMeineNamen 9 months ago
@MrMeineNamen No, the paper I read is demonstrably true, LOL. I remember talking to you, but you refuse to do any actuall study in science so pleas stop. You dont know the different between an hypothesis and a theory, you dont know what the scientific method is. You dont understand what demonstrably true means. Do some science BEFORE you make thoose claims.
gulbirk 9 months ago
@gulbirk the book i read is demonstrably true LOL. see we can both say that it doesnt make anything more real. btw i have an education my life doesnt revolve around the bible i dont claim to know EVERYTHING because i can factor just because i go to church every now and then doesnt make me less intelligent. be less ignorant from now on
MrMeineNamen 9 months ago
@MrMeineNamen Im not ignorant. And btw, 99,95% of biologists would say you were an idiot. You dont understand what demonstrably true means. Your book suggest that the earth existed BEFORE the sun. thats demonstrably FALSE. Its not my problem that you dont understand science.
gulbirk 9 months ago
@gulbirk lol i suppose you pulled those stats out of your butt... 99% of biologists would say that because THEY ARE BIOLOGISTS. btw not all of them are athiest
MrMeineNamen 9 months ago
@MrMeineNamen Im not talking about religion here, LOL. Im talking about evolution. And btw, yes, 99,95% of biologists would say that evolution is a fact. It doesnt have anything to do with atheism. Francis Collin is the head leader of the human genome project. He has done great work in figuring out how we share a common ancestor with chimpanzees, AND HE IS A CATHOLIC. That doesnt bother me at all.
gulbirk 9 months ago
@gulbirk show me the resource of where you got that info... btw 99,95% is not only not a number but its a percentage above 100
MrMeineNamen 9 months ago
@MrMeineNamen 99,95 isnt above 100, hahahhaha. 99,95+ 0,05= 100. Since you dont even known simple math that tells me something about you, lol. I have to include that in my upcoming video. Just gooogle biologists who believe evolution is a fact. There are several studies. Google DonExodus2, he has several of them. BUT, if you think 99,95 is ABOVE 100 you seriously need to get back to school because again. 99,95+ 0,05=100
gulbirk 9 months ago
@gulbirk then you need to learn what the difference between a comma and a period are artard. a PERIOD is what you put in a percentage. just another example of some athiest pretending to know everything no matter what anyone says to them. but what do i know? apparently a simple difference between the compounding of multiple digit numbers. idio
MrMeineNamen 9 months ago
@MrMeineNamen Actually you can use a period all the time, but that doesnt matter. 99.95 or 99,95. Anyone with a brain can understand what it means. Also, now you are just dodging what we are talking about, which is so typical from creationists.
gulbirk 9 months ago
@gulbirk no i would be happy to return back to me proving your an ignorant hypocrite but you you want to make a debate with someone how about making yourself look more intelligent instead of just assuming "anyone with a brain can understand"... just another sign of your yelling and spitting to reassert yourself
MrMeineNamen 9 months ago
@MrMeineNamen NO im just sick of your way of arguing because you refuse to go read anything about evolution. FIrst of you didnt know what a theory was. When I asked you to explain the similarities between humans and chimpz your ONLY response is ""There is no evidence for evolution""": So why the similarities, why the cromozone similarities? Why do we have several human species that fits on a fossil level and DNA level? Why do 99.95% of biologists believe in evolution?
gulbirk 9 months ago
@gulbirk you are the BIGGEST ignorant stereotypist iv ever seen in my entire life! never once did i say i didnt believe in evolution! what? just because im christian means im just incapable of knowing science. jesus christ you are the WORST kind of person...
and how about this: you refuse to read anything about the bible
its THE SAME THING
Y.O.U A.R.E A.
H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.T.E.
MrMeineNamen 9 months ago
@MrMeineNamen WHat, I was a christians until the age of 14. I think It would be fair to say that I have read about 80% of the bible. I didnt argue that you dont BELIEVE in evolution. I argued your understanding of Nr1. WHat a theory is. Nr2: What evolution is considered to be. Nr3: science.
gulbirk 9 months ago
sometimes I really feel bad that I have to live with these brainless people who deny evolution, just because it is written in some books.
kesav1985 10 months ago 2
I hate it when people say that evolution is merely a theory and therefor not proven. Well there is the theory of gravity as well. I am going to go walk outside and I DAMN well better float into the sky.
kylioneXsushi 10 months ago
If god made every species just as it is, why did so many become extinct ?
This god must be a really crap designer.
oh maybe creationalism is just crap
podoau 10 months ago 2
@podoau why do we have a colon? Why are some africans have an anti-malaria gene and not others? God is a bad designer indeed
kly45 10 months ago
@kly45 Why do we have an appendix ?? The only purpose its serves is to ecome infected.
Perhaps its a leftover from when our ancestors had a use for it
podoau 10 months ago
@podoau indeed we did. Without searching google, I can recall it was used to break down a type of enzyme or cellulose? I believe it's a similar thing which allows rabbits to eat their own excrement, although I don't believe we used it that way. Anyway our diet doesn't require it anymore, so it will be on it's way out
kly45 10 months ago
@kly45 Quite correct. In fact, how do you know you even have one ? nless you have have some kind of internal examination, MRI etc, or appenacitis, there is a good chance you dont have an appendix.
Evolution in action.
podoau 10 months ago
@podoau Sweet, you learn something new everyday
kly45 10 months ago
@kly45 well, I didnt learn anything, but Im hoping creationalist nut cases are starting to see the light
podoau 10 months ago
@kly45 well, I didnt learn anything, but Im hoping creationalist nut cases are starting to see the light
and please excuse the really bad typing
podoau 10 months ago
Science has never been wrong. Evolution is wrong. Evolution = dumbass .science = stuff like medicine. you cannot disprove religion because it has never been done. and if humans came from monkeys how come nothing has come from humans?
supermariobubba 10 months ago
@supermariobubba Evolution is a branch of biological science. Its a science because it stands up to the scientific model..
So you argument is that you cant disprove religion so that makes religion true ? I guess that means the Loch Ness monster is real because you cant disprove it.
No one every said humans came from monkeys. Did you miss science classes too ??
podoau 10 months ago
Meh, the argument of evolution vs religion is for the birds.
I have no clue why people continue to cling to archaic arguments such as these when they should have been left in the stone age where they belonged. but whatever floats your boat I suppose!
SmalltimR 10 months ago
There is no such thing as "Darwinism".
It's called Evolutionary Biology.
ResiusOnline 10 months ago
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"Random mutations consistently destroy information." P. 15; "Selection cannot rescue the genome." P. 69; "Mutation / selection cannot even create a single gene." P. 123; "All evidence points to human genetic degradation." P.143 - Genetic Entropy & The Mystery of the Genome by Cornell U. Genetics Professor John Sanford. He holds 25 genetic patents and is the inventor of the gene gun. He is truly an expert on the subject of mutations and natural selection. Evolution is a fairy tale for adults.
achilles197474 10 months ago
All scientific laws support creation. As of yet we have no laws that support evolutionism. Evolutionism has been rejected because it breaks many accepted laws of science. Whatever evolutionists tell you it is NOT part of any science we are aware of.
warriorprince1010 11 months ago
@warriorprince1010 Creationism is biblical teachings turned pseudoscience, and I'm not saying that god doesn't exist, but to believe in creation is almost laughable. There is a large amount of evidence to support evolution, such as dating methods, uranium-lead dating is the most accurate, and don't say that it isn't because even if it wasn't it couldn't be of by billions of years. Also I hope you know there are different variations of evolution such as theistic evolution.
thealmightymexi 11 months ago
@warriorprince1010 You obviously missed all the science classes at school
podoau 10 months ago
@podoau you obviously missed the vagina when you were born
supermariobubba 10 months ago
@supermariobubba ah, so your response is just to get a bit insulting,
The orignal post stated "All scientific laws support creation " Just that very statement is unfounded and incorrect.. In fact, EVERY sentance in the post is incorrect.
This person obviously missed all the science classes at school
podoau 10 months ago
Whaat? Do you still don't believe in evolution? Ohhh its proven, what are you going to say of the different kind of hominid fossils ? They are all real and proven, so have you ever wonder why the europeans has white skin and the africans has dark? or native caucasians are hairy etc...? Evolution is real if you dont eccept it then you are fooling yourself !
Artaxeus 11 months ago 2
I hate when people say "it's the THEORY of evolution, doesn't mean it was proven" haha have you heard of the THEORY of gravity? idiots. And evolution is proven, there is hard genetic proof.
AdvancedTraceur 11 months ago 2
@AdvancedTraceur so where did we evolve from.......?
TheIronSights 11 months ago
@TheIronSights read this whole page. it documents our entire evolutionary timeline. search "timeline of human evolution on wikipedia" as apparently i am not allowed to post links
AdvancedTraceur 7 months ago
Fucking nice! Well done vid, I must say.
ProblemHonorStudent 1 year ago
Who's the indian homophobian hahahahha... I love the argument "It doesn't say "fact of evolution" hahahha. It's also called the theory of relativity and the theory of gravity. You guys, this is just ridiculous.
tfelbo 1 year ago
Wow, evolutionists will believe anything. What a bunch of dolts they are. Do yourself a favor and read a few of A. E. Wilder-Smith books and also Robert Dick Wilson's book "A Scientific Investigation of the Old Testament". Do you know that Noah's Ark was discovered? Also, Sodom and Gomorrah, the Red Sea crossing site, the real Mount Sinai the Ark of the Covenant? Yes, the proof is there. All one must do is seek.
thechessstick 1 year ago
@thechessstick do you know that the "ark" they found wasn't even large enough to accommodate enough food the just 2 of every animal to survive as long as they would have needed to, "the red sea" is better translated in it's context as "sea of reeds", what they are calling the ark hasnt got much evidence of any sort to back up its claim, and no they havn't pinpointed sinai there are several mountains which are belived could be the location refered to. all one must do is fact check what one reads.
QCreyton 1 year ago
I just learn that the word god was based on idealisme(the perfect world). If you search for the theory of Platon you will see alot that religion is based on that theory that means it was before jesus christ and alot of religions.
Nanorom13 1 year ago
This is propagande at its worst. Propagande that contradicts itself and is wrong.
gulbirk 1 year ago
this is utterly crazy and unbelievable, is this the twilightzone? am i the only one that knows? could a few simple facts be overlooked by chance, purpose or ignorance and create such a misinformed mess? STUDY Darwin! he believed in GOD! Unitarian from birth, was baptized, attended church, studied natural theology (devine design). stated his view as agnostic theism. QUOTE: I have NEVER been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of God. HE said God used evolut. to start life! WAKE UP!!!
Zaaxun 1 year ago
@Zaaxun From the Darwinism vs creationism video.
I dont actually understand what the video is getting at if I am honest but I am impressed by your evidence on Darwin :)
Solitarious2011 1 year ago
Yet Darwin's Theory of Evolutions does not state, "God done it"
a68rebel 1 year ago
@Zaaxun
early in his carrier, yes. later on, however, he stopped attending services.
his wife expressed concern over it, in fact. but despite that, she still held that he was not a believer after he died and the "deathbed conversion" myth started.
pyr666 11 months ago
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themiraclesonearth 1 year ago
@DataJackOne
Putting on my apologist hat: "lol but datajackone! god never came into being! god doesn't need a beginning because he's outside the universe! don't you know this, lololol"
Taking off the apologist hat: "Eeeuurrrghh..."
laflugantabastardo 1 year ago