impresionante y muy interesante, me gustaria saber acerca de algun documental que explique el significado mas profundo que encierra cada kata......slguien conoce alguno???
@gghhap Not nowadays and not outside Japanese schools except certain places. We were taught the jump instead of the turn where you end on the ground, and also taught the jump after the initial blocks but they're only used in particular schools where they have kept the roots from kung fu closer in the kata.
I personally think that the Cat stance is the true stance in okinawan karate. The shotokan kokutsu dachi seems to me a recent invention which Funakoshi passed onto the Japanese. I think he did want to tell them the "whole truth" .Karate was a martial art AGAINST the japanese raiding and sacking samurai on RyuKyu Islands.
If you want to reveal a well kept secret, you will never tell 100% - you will only tell what is sufficent. Back to the roots!
I am a 30+ year shotokan practicioner of Shotokan and I love this version of our kanku dai. Shito ryu is so good with the in-close techniques that shotokan is lacking. I especially like the strength they find in cat stance.
i agree.. it's my understanding that shotokan was changed to add extra athleticism to the techniques, but there is a lot that is lost in between. watching the original versions of the kata gives me a lot more appreciation for the bunkai
ptboy, could you please elaborate on the strength Shito ryu practitioners find in the cat stance? I do a style of Shorin ryu and we have a nikkoashi dachi (I hope the spelling is correct) which is similar to the cat stance, only the front foot's heel is a millimeter above the ground and the big toe is rooted into the ground. It is a very strong back stance and I understand where the power comes from. I don't think I understand the power source or the use of the cat stance. Thanks in advance
Hydration - Spelling was only a little off - "Neko". You are talking about exactly the same thing. The difference in heel position is immaterial. In my experience, stances are only transitional instants in time - in action we do not stay there as we do in kata or basics. We train them so we have way points, like points on a road map. Shotokaners feel weak in this stance, and they are, because they do not train it. It took me many years and much pain to understand it at all.
Continued - I find cat stance most useful in stepping - forward or back. So many people just push with the back leg, throw the foot forward and fall onto it, or push with the front leg and fall back. This creates a HUGE kyo while moving and can get you killed in self-defense. Instead I teach to PULL into cat stance to put control of the body on the supporting leg and then keep that control as the other foot moves to its final position. This eliminates the kyo. Side benefit - good cat stance
a cat stance is actually a very good defensive stance which a cat stance was intended for...we uses it alot in muay thai and its one of our basic and most used stance in fighting...with most of the weight on the back leg it becomes hard for someone to sweep your front leg and becuz your front leg is almost weight less its easier to lift up to do a front snap or push kick for defense or to lift it up to block a leg kick. its not meant to be a "power" stance but one that quick for defense
in my style its called a cat stance. and i never said it in japanese nor did i use any japanese terms in my comment...your the weird one that translated it into japanese.. (-_-) haha...
Depends on the individual shorin dojo, high or low cat stance, or wide or close is an allowable difference accepted in most okinawan dojo, even may vary within a particular dojo among senior students.
Love this kata it shows how all of the other katas put in into one final kata looks like !
:)
TheDragolance 4 months ago
J'essaye de me le mémoriser pour cet été.
Adrienx 7 months ago
one f ma favourites!!!!!!
vijigeesha 1 year ago
no megusto muchu no me agrado
walnny 2 years ago
impresionante y muy interesante, me gustaria saber acerca de algun documental que explique el significado mas profundo que encierra cada kata......slguien conoce alguno???
marcotube3 2 years ago
son como quien dice peleas imaginarias
chong171 2 years ago
bunkais?
cruditox 2 years ago
@cruditox application of katas i think
craytoes67 4 months ago
no jump?
gghhap 2 years ago
nope
adrenalinerushskier 2 years ago
@gghhap Not nowadays and not outside Japanese schools except certain places. We were taught the jump instead of the turn where you end on the ground, and also taught the jump after the initial blocks but they're only used in particular schools where they have kept the roots from kung fu closer in the kata.
Or so I think :)
dark0ne2067 1 year ago
AWESOME, great control and power, not to forget posture. This is Perfect basic cat.
damian1469 2 years ago
I personally think that the Cat stance is the true stance in okinawan karate. The shotokan kokutsu dachi seems to me a recent invention which Funakoshi passed onto the Japanese. I think he did want to tell them the "whole truth" .Karate was a martial art AGAINST the japanese raiding and sacking samurai on RyuKyu Islands.
If you want to reveal a well kept secret, you will never tell 100% - you will only tell what is sufficent. Back to the roots!
Thingolfin 2 years ago 2
stop ruining kanku dai!
lizardkingrocks26 3 years ago
I am a 30+ year shotokan practicioner of Shotokan and I love this version of our kanku dai. Shito ryu is so good with the in-close techniques that shotokan is lacking. I especially like the strength they find in cat stance.
ptboyindenver 3 years ago
i agree.. it's my understanding that shotokan was changed to add extra athleticism to the techniques, but there is a lot that is lost in between. watching the original versions of the kata gives me a lot more appreciation for the bunkai
jippzmcghee 3 years ago
ptboy, could you please elaborate on the strength Shito ryu practitioners find in the cat stance? I do a style of Shorin ryu and we have a nikkoashi dachi (I hope the spelling is correct) which is similar to the cat stance, only the front foot's heel is a millimeter above the ground and the big toe is rooted into the ground. It is a very strong back stance and I understand where the power comes from. I don't think I understand the power source or the use of the cat stance. Thanks in advance
hYdratatiOn 2 years ago
Hydration - Spelling was only a little off - "Neko". You are talking about exactly the same thing. The difference in heel position is immaterial. In my experience, stances are only transitional instants in time - in action we do not stay there as we do in kata or basics. We train them so we have way points, like points on a road map. Shotokaners feel weak in this stance, and they are, because they do not train it. It took me many years and much pain to understand it at all.
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ptboyindenver 2 years ago
Good post!!!
ronin752 1 year ago
Continued - I find cat stance most useful in stepping - forward or back. So many people just push with the back leg, throw the foot forward and fall onto it, or push with the front leg and fall back. This creates a HUGE kyo while moving and can get you killed in self-defense. Instead I teach to PULL into cat stance to put control of the body on the supporting leg and then keep that control as the other foot moves to its final position. This eliminates the kyo. Side benefit - good cat stance
ptboyindenver 2 years ago
a cat stance is actually a very good defensive stance which a cat stance was intended for...we uses it alot in muay thai and its one of our basic and most used stance in fighting...with most of the weight on the back leg it becomes hard for someone to sweep your front leg and becuz your front leg is almost weight less its easier to lift up to do a front snap or push kick for defense or to lift it up to block a leg kick. its not meant to be a "power" stance but one that quick for defense
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
neko means cat... ashi means foot...
How could you not do something called 'cat foot stance"
Just sounds fun..
Nosferatu303 2 years ago
in my style its called a cat stance. and i never said it in japanese nor did i use any japanese terms in my comment...your the weird one that translated it into japanese.. (-_-) haha...
anhkhoinguyen 2 years ago
I wasn't talking to you in particular...
Actually most traditional karate schools refer to the techniques in Japanese.
RapidianShitshow 2 years ago
@Nosferatu303 cat stance ftw
PablotheFEAR 1 year ago
Depends on the individual shorin dojo, high or low cat stance, or wide or close is an allowable difference accepted in most okinawan dojo, even may vary within a particular dojo among senior students.
ronin752 1 year ago
ZOMG this is soooo new to me! I always get confused since this kata consists of various parts of other Pinan/Heian katas -_-
Saltkringlan101 3 years ago
I heard that the pinans were created by (was it?) Anko Itosu using the capital I embusen and elements of the kusanku kata.
hYdratatiOn 2 years ago
Aaaah, I kinda have no idea ö_Ö Sorry :)
Saltkringlan101 2 years ago
esto me recuerda cuando iba a classes de karate
T.T
danielmaiden15 3 years ago
hola sharkito
jorge69696 4 years ago
nice
sid4lev 4 years ago