Some of you metioned "phlegm", that will shut your voice, and clearly Mr. Domingo holds the note.......as he fell you can hear the real voice............
wow! can u folks even enjoy cause your looking for flaws and being so critical! I bet none of you sound better than he does! I happen to enjoy Domingo - but then I listen for my enjoyment cause that's what it's all about. I'm not writing a column on the opera that I'm being paid for cause it's my job. Life is much better when you look for the good vs the bad!
domingo falters, because of gunk in his throat. if you listen to the attack, you hear from the start that the tone is masked and prevented from projecting by the gunk. and this is domingo technical weakness that also appears for instance in his otherwise great forza met broadcast with price et al conducted by levine. there too, the tone is finally masked and defeated, in part, by gunk or flem. domingo has never been a high tenor, but when gunk doesn't impede the young domingo soared at best!
its gunk, you can hear it, amd that's what makes the tone break,. support problems will make the tone do all sorts of thing--it will make the tone wobble, go off pitch, beome too thin, begin to forward, but the distinct sound heard here, which is flem in the throat or in the pharynx or layrynx is what domingo is having problems with. domingo made this sound at 39 when he was thin! in htat he hasn't found a way to stop the flem, it may be regarded as a tehcnical issue, but not as you mean it
domingo doesn't sound at all nasal. i think you guys are mistaking squillo for nasality. he's a dramatic tenor, and he sings as such. were you honestly expecting some kind of nice lyrical sound? this is a freaking intense moment in the opera! you should learn your subject before commenting...
The high A# is very pushed sounds strained and simply is far far from other tenors like Corelli, Tucker, Pertile or Filippeschi who all were just as or even more dramatical then Mr Domingo who should have stayed away from roles that exposed his lack of vocalability in other words roles that had very few notes above A-natural.
It´s so strange I have the Ricordi score infront of me and there are just the long A# on the second vittoria othervise it´s just Ab as the highest notes are you indicating that Placido interpolated one high note outside of the key Db major not likely!! Why can´t people admit the truth Domingo could sound as if he were in great shape up until he had to sing above A and still sound strained up there!That is proof to me that he did something wrong when he squeezed highnotes out of his mouth.
your incoherency is astounding. i am claiming that it is a B natural in this recording, hence not the correct recording to judge. different artists sing this cavatina in different keys. corelli sang a high C, and most artists now choose to sing either a Bb or a B natural.
I have never heard such stupidity your indicating that Domingo would put high notes in scores that aren´t there, when he is having a hell of a time singing the once that are there from the begining!! show me one note in any opera accept the obvius once like the stretta Di quella pira or Che gelida manina where Domingo sings high notes that aren´t written!!!
your arrogance blinds you. this isn't a matter of opinion. the not he's singing in this version is a B natural. any piano will help you determine that.
I thought the recording had you fooled but when I hit the A# note on my piano it´s clearly that note he is hitting even if it´s strained and ugly. ps A# is the same note as Bb on a piano but not on a violin or in singing, A# is a tint higherbecause it strives upwards while Bb is resting.
before the tempered piano they had a system where there were 9 steps between A and B natural and there were 4 steps to Bb and five steps to A# but when the tempered claver came it changed so there is 4,5 steps between each halfstep. But if you sing in a # key you can or atleast I can feel that it´s harder to be intone. I wouldn´t care if it would have been a B-natural Mr Domingo sang cause it´s a strained ugly note! And if you can´t hear that then it´s not strange that A# became B!
what are you saaaaying dude. quit with all the incoherent mumbo jumbo about old pianos or w.e. and just listen to the note. if you play a B natural on a piano, that's the note he's singing. this is not an argument as to the timbre of his voice. just the frequency of the note being sung.
I don´t know what kind of piano you have at home but my piano is tuned in 440 herz on A4 and Placido sings half a step higher A#4 as written in the score I don´t have a clue where you here the B-natural but if you think the note sounds good then it might as well be a high E5 or something even higher!
oy, you're right. i was using one of my school pianos when first listening, but i tried it again at home just now, and it's an A#. that being said, this one isn't a nice note, but he definitely did have some really good B flats on occasion. B natural was where he got iffy...
sorry but you should learn the meaning of words--and stop being so arrogant. i at least did not call his singing nasal, and in fact it is a well know rule of the garcia vocalize to place the tone on nasal ah, very much like ehtel merman--as horne as pointed out--to hook onto and find the proper head tone for the upper voice. but domingo has had this problem consistently through the years-- his '78 met broadcast forza where high climax in act ii duetto is spoiled by gunk that gets in the way.
It´s so strange that if the voice should be placed in the nose on an ah for easy high notes that Domingo always had problems hitting them. If you have gunk or flem on the vocalcords it is felt through the entire range not just on the notes above A-natural. And the talk of bad support is also very strange to me there are recordings of Mario del monaco singing flat on F4 and F#4 and to me that has nothing to do with support just a heavy registation -
I love Del monaco in the dramatic parts but the Melocchi method gave the singer great power and heft but also turned the voice to be heavy registrated. Domingo sings very big and heavy on the notes above the passagio wich makes the really high notes very hard to hit. Just my opinion.
the first element of support is breathing, and if you breath correctly your will sing on the breadth with a fully supported tone, that is not too open and too covered. if your are not relaxed, than you are breathing wrongly and not singing on the breadth in total relaxation when you release your breadth over the chords, open chords are not supported, and pressed chords are oversupported. when a singer is singging absolutely correclty, the tone has proper support and projection. garcia garcia!
domingo is not a high tenor, and the voice is tested on top! i disagree about chords and phlem, it is the positioning of the chords, together with the larynx and pharynx that can effect high notes and leave the lower voice clear. often a singer--like sills- who gets laryngitis cannot speak, but will be able to sing very well, because the positon is different for singing. as to the nasal ah--it is not the whole story but a technqique for flipping direclty and cleanly into head voice.
@HMW I agree with you, Domingo has ever sounded nasal in his life at all. He is just a dramatic tenor trying hard to sound lighters thats all. I am impressed of the fact that there are only a few who know exactly what a real nasal sound actually sounds like. Regards
@HMW I totally agree with you, he tried hard to use a complety head voice and sounded like that because he has troubles in his top register so needed to keep the voice that way to avoid craking. This is not a piece I would recomend him to sing, however he wants to sing it all.
Listen to some of Corelli's before you call this you favorite. Even Pavarotti's were good although he never seemed to hold them as long as Corelli did. Corelli would hold them till the crowd went so crazy he could pretty much spend the rest of the piece resting and not even singing and no one would have noticed.
.. in Opera, for me.., there's only the A or B or C, but so much passion, interpretation, I say that this is involving, exciting, B or B!! ...but what is the B? I know the Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Si Do .. : P and this is my favorite Cavaradossi! Great Placido!!!!!! :D
Not mine ;-) Have you seen him in the movie from 1976 ? The whole Vittoria scene is absolutely glorious, really flawless in any aspect and has such an intensity ! The singing is DEVINE and that one is my favourite (but I only heard him in 4 Toscas and still planning to listen to at least 2 others ;-). Still, it's only a personal opinion :-)
Some of you metioned "phlegm", that will shut your voice, and clearly Mr. Domingo holds the note.......as he fell you can hear the real voice............
Mics problem when he is moving, not his voice!
ortpian 1 year ago
Sounds great!! The mics could not pick his voice correctly!
Probably the best singing and drama by Mr Domingo!
Learn to listen, before offending anyone!
ortpian 1 year ago
Quanta pochezza! Povero Placido...
Wolts1983 1 year ago
wow! can u folks even enjoy cause your looking for flaws and being so critical! I bet none of you sound better than he does! I happen to enjoy Domingo - but then I listen for my enjoyment cause that's what it's all about. I'm not writing a column on the opera that I'm being paid for cause it's my job. Life is much better when you look for the good vs the bad!
PCSerialMom 1 year ago
domingo falters, because of gunk in his throat. if you listen to the attack, you hear from the start that the tone is masked and prevented from projecting by the gunk. and this is domingo technical weakness that also appears for instance in his otherwise great forza met broadcast with price et al conducted by levine. there too, the tone is finally masked and defeated, in part, by gunk or flem. domingo has never been a high tenor, but when gunk doesn't impede the young domingo soared at best!
mmbriggs 2 years ago
gunk? wow
cornificius22vain 2 years ago
Its not caused by gunk or flem, its just bad technique consisting of many things like swallowed tone, too much weight, and too much breath pressure.
aroncooker 2 years ago 5
In the beginning, it sounds like he's saying "Aia, Vittoria".
I'm curious on how Domingo did as a baritone. I'm quite a fan of his.
hawkssens 2 years ago
its gunk, you can hear it, amd that's what makes the tone break,. support problems will make the tone do all sorts of thing--it will make the tone wobble, go off pitch, beome too thin, begin to forward, but the distinct sound heard here, which is flem in the throat or in the pharynx or layrynx is what domingo is having problems with. domingo made this sound at 39 when he was thin! in htat he hasn't found a way to stop the flem, it may be regarded as a tehcnical issue, but not as you mean it
mmbriggs 2 years ago
domingo doesn't sound at all nasal. i think you guys are mistaking squillo for nasality. he's a dramatic tenor, and he sings as such. were you honestly expecting some kind of nice lyrical sound? this is a freaking intense moment in the opera! you should learn your subject before commenting...
HMW 2 years ago 6
The high A# is very pushed sounds strained and simply is far far from other tenors like Corelli, Tucker, Pertile or Filippeschi who all were just as or even more dramatical then Mr Domingo who should have stayed away from roles that exposed his lack of vocalability in other words roles that had very few notes above A-natural.
Bjoerrelli 2 years ago
no, his Bb, was actually really good. also, he's singing a B natural in this clip. buy a keyboard before you talk trash perhaps?
HMW 2 years ago
It´s so strange I have the Ricordi score infront of me and there are just the long A# on the second vittoria othervise it´s just Ab as the highest notes are you indicating that Placido interpolated one high note outside of the key Db major not likely!! Why can´t people admit the truth Domingo could sound as if he were in great shape up until he had to sing above A and still sound strained up there!That is proof to me that he did something wrong when he squeezed highnotes out of his mouth.
Bjoerrelli 2 years ago
your incoherency is astounding. i am claiming that it is a B natural in this recording, hence not the correct recording to judge. different artists sing this cavatina in different keys. corelli sang a high C, and most artists now choose to sing either a Bb or a B natural.
HMW 2 years ago
I have never heard such stupidity your indicating that Domingo would put high notes in scores that aren´t there, when he is having a hell of a time singing the once that are there from the begining!! show me one note in any opera accept the obvius once like the stretta Di quella pira or Che gelida manina where Domingo sings high notes that aren´t written!!!
Bjoerrelli 2 years ago
your arrogance blinds you. this isn't a matter of opinion. the not he's singing in this version is a B natural. any piano will help you determine that.
HMW 2 years ago
I thought the recording had you fooled but when I hit the A# note on my piano it´s clearly that note he is hitting even if it´s strained and ugly. ps A# is the same note as Bb on a piano but not on a violin or in singing, A# is a tint higherbecause it strives upwards while Bb is resting.
Bjoerrelli 2 years ago
an A# has the same frequency as a Bb. no shit. you only notate them differently depending on the key... i'm saying that he's singing a B natural...
HMW 2 years ago
before the tempered piano they had a system where there were 9 steps between A and B natural and there were 4 steps to Bb and five steps to A# but when the tempered claver came it changed so there is 4,5 steps between each halfstep. But if you sing in a # key you can or atleast I can feel that it´s harder to be intone. I wouldn´t care if it would have been a B-natural Mr Domingo sang cause it´s a strained ugly note! And if you can´t hear that then it´s not strange that A# became B!
Bjoerrelli 2 years ago
what are you saaaaying dude. quit with all the incoherent mumbo jumbo about old pianos or w.e. and just listen to the note. if you play a B natural on a piano, that's the note he's singing. this is not an argument as to the timbre of his voice. just the frequency of the note being sung.
HMW 2 years ago
I don´t know what kind of piano you have at home but my piano is tuned in 440 herz on A4 and Placido sings half a step higher A#4 as written in the score I don´t have a clue where you here the B-natural but if you think the note sounds good then it might as well be a high E5 or something even higher!
Bjoerrelli 2 years ago
oy, you're right. i was using one of my school pianos when first listening, but i tried it again at home just now, and it's an A#. that being said, this one isn't a nice note, but he definitely did have some really good B flats on occasion. B natural was where he got iffy...
HMW 2 years ago
sorry but you should learn the meaning of words--and stop being so arrogant. i at least did not call his singing nasal, and in fact it is a well know rule of the garcia vocalize to place the tone on nasal ah, very much like ehtel merman--as horne as pointed out--to hook onto and find the proper head tone for the upper voice. but domingo has had this problem consistently through the years-- his '78 met broadcast forza where high climax in act ii duetto is spoiled by gunk that gets in the way.
mmbriggs 2 years ago
It´s so strange that if the voice should be placed in the nose on an ah for easy high notes that Domingo always had problems hitting them. If you have gunk or flem on the vocalcords it is felt through the entire range not just on the notes above A-natural. And the talk of bad support is also very strange to me there are recordings of Mario del monaco singing flat on F4 and F#4 and to me that has nothing to do with support just a heavy registation -
Bjoerrelli 2 years ago
I love Del monaco in the dramatic parts but the Melocchi method gave the singer great power and heft but also turned the voice to be heavy registrated. Domingo sings very big and heavy on the notes above the passagio wich makes the really high notes very hard to hit. Just my opinion.
Bjoerrelli 2 years ago
the first element of support is breathing, and if you breath correctly your will sing on the breadth with a fully supported tone, that is not too open and too covered. if your are not relaxed, than you are breathing wrongly and not singing on the breadth in total relaxation when you release your breadth over the chords, open chords are not supported, and pressed chords are oversupported. when a singer is singging absolutely correclty, the tone has proper support and projection. garcia garcia!
mmbriggs 2 years ago
domingo is not a high tenor, and the voice is tested on top! i disagree about chords and phlem, it is the positioning of the chords, together with the larynx and pharynx that can effect high notes and leave the lower voice clear. often a singer--like sills- who gets laryngitis cannot speak, but will be able to sing very well, because the positon is different for singing. as to the nasal ah--it is not the whole story but a technqique for flipping direclty and cleanly into head voice.
mmbriggs 2 years ago
@HMW I agree with you, Domingo has ever sounded nasal in his life at all. He is just a dramatic tenor trying hard to sound lighters thats all. I am impressed of the fact that there are only a few who know exactly what a real nasal sound actually sounds like. Regards
tena2 1 year ago
@HMW
Hmmmmm. Domingo really isn't a dramaitic tenor. he sings that rep, but come on, he is not a dramatic.
JCLAWS 1 year ago
@HMW I totally agree with you, he tried hard to use a complety head voice and sounded like that because he has troubles in his top register so needed to keep the voice that way to avoid craking. This is not a piece I would recomend him to sing, however he wants to sing it all.
mrluistena 9 months ago
non è una delle sue migliori interpretazioni...ma continuo ad adorarlo
bekila 2 years ago
Anch'io :-) Il film dal 76 con Kabaivanska e' assolutamente perfetto : lo stesso momento e' da mozzare il fiato.
mrsRogue 2 years ago
This is such a piece of crap!
Domingo sounds so nasal; I can't hear the baritone Scarpia; and the soprano cracks at 1:04
Rubbish!!
picapin 3 years ago
if you can't hear......don't hear it! =)
11Believer 3 years ago 2
Not only nasal but pushed and hooted. It's like a potato back in his throat. As you can see he's overacting to cover his lack of vocal power.
operapimp 3 years ago 2
Nasal and shrill... He doesn't sing but shrieks
TraVoiBelle 3 years ago
@picapin hahha... you are wrong!
gonzalordm 1 year ago
Listen to some of Corelli's before you call this you favorite. Even Pavarotti's were good although he never seemed to hold them as long as Corelli did. Corelli would hold them till the crowd went so crazy he could pretty much spend the rest of the piece resting and not even singing and no one would have noticed.
Nater389 3 years ago
nobody says that Corelli isn't good. it's abou the intesity of Domingo. Obviously, you can like it or not but it still rimane my favourite one!!! =)
11Believer 3 years ago
"nobody says that Corelli isn't good."
I never mentioned anything about anybody saying that Corelli wasn't good.
Nater389 3 years ago
Sorry, you know my english is ot so good.......i had mistaken =)
11Believer 3 years ago
I think you are mistaking his vocal shortcomings for intesity.
tdeane34 2 years ago
and i think that it isn't so....... it's just my opinion!!! you can think whatever you prefere! =)
11Believer 2 years ago
You can like it or not but "AWFUL"???? awful is something else!!!!
11Believer 3 years ago
.. in Opera, for me.., there's only the A or B or C, but so much passion, interpretation, I say that this is involving, exciting, B or B!! ...but what is the B? I know the Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Si Do .. : P and this is my favorite Cavaradossi! Great Placido!!!!!! :D
yodonaflor 3 years ago 2
what?
rufforocks1766 3 years ago
That was awful! Ouch, what an awful B flat.
Mooorhe 3 years ago
Mine too!!! =)
11Believer 3 years ago
My favourite Vittoria :-)
wansob 3 years ago 3
Not mine ;-) Have you seen him in the movie from 1976 ? The whole Vittoria scene is absolutely glorious, really flawless in any aspect and has such an intensity ! The singing is DEVINE and that one is my favourite (but I only heard him in 4 Toscas and still planning to listen to at least 2 others ;-). Still, it's only a personal opinion :-)
mrsRogue 2 years ago