Ida: Missing Links and Common Ancestors

[megaj1964]

i like looking at your face. lol [ By the way i hate people who use lol as a name like mate. It means laugh out loud ]

[firewallx]

Why do men insist on focusing the camera on their ugly faces for the duration of the video? No one wants to look at you - show pictures, graphs, etc.

[noelplum99]

@firewallx

I am talking to you therefore I am looking at you, what is so unusual about that?

When you have a conversation with someone to you hold a series of cards in front of your face with relevant images? Ahh maybe you do but where I come from we have attention spans longer than a gnat and don't need constant audiovisual stimulation.

Lastly, so what if I am ugly you insulting cunt, do you only ever talk to the 'beautiful people? Are you some kind of living Martini advert?

[firewallx]

@noelplum99 I am giving you suggestions to make your videos better - and you stoop to personal attacks?

No one wants to look at you...it should not be too shocking. Show pictures of Ida, tigers, etc...the stuff you're talking about, not your face going toward and away from the camera for almost 5 minutes. 

[noelplum99]

@firewallx

You called me 'ugly' first and in response I called you a 'walking martini advert'. Given that your insult preceeded mine and was somewhat more brutal how on earth can you have the gall to accuse me of stooping to personal attacks????

I should also point out that many many people, myself included, disagree with you and prefer looking at the person we are listening to rather than a bunch of stock photos. I should also, finally, point out to you that I am a YT partner.....

[noelplum99]

@noelplum99

...and often includes adverts on my vids which precludes me using images unless I have the legal right to display them.

May I suggest you simply avoid my vids in future. Remember the name 'noelplum99', file it in your brain as 'ugly fucking wanker who always shows his face' and then simply avoid clicking on any video either by me or where I am mentioned.

[ElnAlter]

@firewallx he isn't ugly. don't be a fucking troll you twat

[mikeeboy1000]

Fossils are contained in SEDIMENTARY rocks which are WATER laid and cover 75% of the earth and in some places are 60,000 ft deep and cover 100's of thousands of square miles! Where on Earth TODAY ,are animals from different environments being washed together and buried, in such layers as we find fossils in today?The slow processes we see today cannot account for the vastness of these strata! ONLY a WORLDWIDE WATERY CATACLYSM could do what we actually observe, as "Water and Dirt Flow Tests" show.

[awazha]

NO NO this IS the ancestor ... THE ANCESTOR of NEANDERTHALS that run the Christian Church and the Muslim Imams. LMAO

[nezahualcoyotl85]

some say its a link between humans and apes

[noelplum99]

those people are clearly wrong

[jgoemat]

1-No tooth comb 2-Nails instead of claws 3-Opposable thumbs 4-Small eye sockets 5-Eyes forward 6-High-domed head 7-Large brain XXXXXXX Lemur YYYXXXX Ida YYYYYYX Gorilla YYYYYXX Chimpanzee YYYYYXY Human

[soulshift14]

nicely put, keep it up =D

[ApostaclipsNow]

Put it this way, in the sequence P_R, Q is the missing link. It's just that we Homo sapiens might belong to a sequence that diverged at N.

[mattblackcat]

A missing link ceases to be missing once it has been found.

[DarkDragon187II]

All I know is that our perspective of science and evolution is more choppy and scratchy as the choppiest of Charlie Chaplin movies

[LogicSolver]

sounds logical to me

[ugriDnuub]

good vid.

Ida (the norwegian name is pronounced iida btw) could very well be a dead end species, but as a record 47 million year old specimen displaying many of the same features as modern primates including ourselves, she has more than earned the title "missing-link". To establish a proper lineage we would have to have at least a whole mountain of intermediate specimens, in other words a practical impossibility.

[PragnorVorn]

Great vid, well done.

[111Socrates777]

I think in your explanation you're mixing up the 2 concepts.

[noelplum99]

111Socrates777,

So you think we don't have to be necessarily related to a common ancestor but we do to a missing link???

With respect, I think you are wrong.

[111Socrates777]

I am no expert but your explanation was confusing. And the way in which you explained the concepts, it seemed as if you were conflating some characteristics from the one idea into the other and visa versa.

[noelplum99]

Well, missing links and common ancestors DO share some characteristics and a common ancestor can be a missing link (and vice versa). OFC the point I was trying to get across is that it is simply never possible to know if a fossil is a common ancestor, only a 'common ancestor like' organism.

I'm sorry you found my vid confusing though; for a video that set out to clarify that is a damning indictment indeed :(((

[noobapple]

Personally, I think Darwinus may be a cousin to us many times removed. You might want to read Laelaps or Pharyngula at scienceblogs to find out why. It may not even remotely resemble our common ancestor, which may have looked more like a tarsier.

[pmarceau]

What does OFC stand for?

Curiosity killed the cat, and it is coming for me next. :)

[SkepticsClaw]

OFC = of course

[111Socrates777]

What I would really like is for you to clearly delineate between the terms, where the one starts and ends and also where they might actually in certain circumstances. For surely cannot the missing link also be a common ancestor?

[noelplum99]

The missing link can ofc be a common ancestor but you have no way of knowing. This Ida specimen may have been one of dozens of similar species around that time and may not have been the one that made the evolutionary change to modern primate lineages, or it may have descended from another similar species and itself share a common ancestor with us (a bit like humans and neanderthal are similar but are believed to be seperate lineages with a recent commonancestor)

[fuckgodfuckyou]

Dude, what do you think about the latest news of shes not a common ancestor?

Good vid BTW.

[noelplum99]

didnt i answer that in my video???

[fuckgodfuckyou]

Sorry, i believe you did...

I dont know what im saying!!

[redquas6920]

Well said!!!

[bimblinghill]

There's a lot of publicity about Ida, but I get the impression that it may be more down to the beauty and preservation of this skeleton, rather than its evolutionary significance to us. There seems plenty of reason to doubt that we are descended from this species.

BTW: 'missing link' is a bit of a problematic one because when you find one, you get a new missing link on either side.. and so the obfuscation by creationists continues "the missing link has never been found".

[macnutz]

Thanks noelplum.

[spaceman300]

Well Explained Mate....!

[TheBenevolentPirate]

well explained

[dualranger]

Cool video Jim

BTW Nice shirt

[MrFacet]

Confusion well spotted and a good explanation.

[ravenslaves]

It's very nice to hear someone say "I don't know". That is, after all, the beginning of all learning.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Well stated, mate.

[mxdirector]

thanks for clearing that up.

i didnt actually know the definitions, so its nice to be clear.

[Vogter2100]

Very good points and I concur.

[halabalo195]

I can´t watch the video, there are some error.

[iamtwisted1]

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. :-)

[NaranjaPera]

If We're gonna be picky, Ida died before she was sexually mature, so she's not our common ancestor.

Jokes aside, good video. Keep up the good work!

[Textra1]

Yeah, but too bad no one will ever see your comment because it'll be marked as spam and down thumbed to oblivion.

[versanil]

BareEnLitenPose: Fail

[mrgeorgeallison]

you're ALL acting like kids. now I am too... woo.

[AnonEyeMouse]

I know you are, but what am I?

:D

[mrgeorgeallison]

you smell! hah beat that

[AnonEyeMouse]

My dad'll beat you up. So I don't have to.

Because you have cooties... from rats...

[mrgeorgeallison]

rats your face! hah!