National Education Association using union dues for partisan left-wing politics

[Imagine20121]

The undersigned employees of the US Public School System do NOT want to be represented by the National Education Association. Should the undersigned make up 30% or more of the bargaining unit, the employees hereby petition the NLRB to hold a decertification election. Should the undersigned make up 50% or more of the bargaining unit, the employees hereby request that US Public Schools withdraw recognition from the NEA immediately.

[UTubekookdetector]

IMA: We can only hope that happens. A lot can be done at the state level (although Dems in Washington will try to circumvent Federalism) such as right-to-work laws and cutting off the taxpayer-funded gravy train for public-sector unions. We're seeing some progress, let's just hope it continues and the GOP doesn't become linguini-spined when dealing with these union goons.

[srvblueslvr]

So the NEA recommended reading on their website is "Rules for Radicals".

Isn't that the Cloward and Pivens book on how to overthrow the US Government.

Recommended reading eh. Rules for Radicals is dedicated to what socialists refer to is the ultimate radical.........Lucifer. Good reason to home school your kids. Don't rely on the socialist agenda that has infiltrated our school systems.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS also writes: "The Constitution does NOT forbid public education in any way at all." It's not listed as one of the enumerated powers and doesn't fall under the "general welfare" clause, it is a 10th amend. issue. PRIS writes: "Anything the govt touches prices go up" is a right wing myth." See my videos on "public transporation" or "universal health care", the gov't has gotten much more involved with those items in the past 50 years, costs are way up and efficiency is way down.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS realized his data was coming from his butt, then finally looked at my data (which links to gov't spending figures) and began utilizing the "you're biased" argument. To answer my own question, charter schools are NOT free market, they're fed with taxpayer dollars. AZ's state tax credit for donations to private schools is a good way to go. The more gov't gets involved with anything, the more expensive it becomes. It's fed with tax dollars. private entites aren't, unless they get a TARP.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector Lie. Your "data" is BULLSHIT. YOU are the one pulling stuff out of your butt, this has NOTHING to do with the "free market" and the free market is an evil that has no place in educational policy. No, Charter schools should NOT be given taxpayer money, PUBLIC SCHOOLS should.

"Tax credits" are just another way to ROB our public schools, another tax cut for the rich, they're a horrible, immoral idea.

And I see a VERY simple question still hasn't been answered.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

Funny you gripe about me not answering questions, while you've dodged mine repeatedly. Do you even know what IDEA is? People want to prattle on about costs of education, with NO understanding that costs have increased FAR more than the rate of inflation, FAR more than spending has increased, and WHY this has all happened.

voucher schemes says you only care about yourself, and have no concern about denying the RIGHT of education to other kids. We need public education available for ALL children

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: This my show son, if you're concerned about something, put up your own video. Now, is a charter school a facet of school choice or not? For the last time, you're desperate, it's obvious, although it did take you a while to finally look at the info I've linked to and then declare it "biased."

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector Fuck you. I'm not your son, and that you are such a COWARD to pretend to talk about education while proving to know NOTHING about it has been firmly established. I'm not "desperate", I'm just not playing your bonehead games. I did NOT need to look at your LIES (not info) to know it's a pack of radical right propoganda, based in pure selfishness. Thank GOD our society sees through this trash and still puts what little it does into the RIGHT of every child to an education.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS writes: ""Tax credits" are just another way to ROB our public schools." He doesn't even understand that AZ"s tax credit program was a voluntary contribution. If I voluntarily give $150 to a private school in AZ, I pay $150 less in taxes at teh end of the year. He had no idea about that program. Much like the rest of his comments. If he's upset about tax credits overall, then get rid of the IRS, tax only consumption & you wouldn't have special interests gaming the tax code.

[srvblueslvr]

@PrisonerNumber9653 Look Dopey........voucher systems work. Public education is a failure! More vouchers would lead to privatization. Yeah! Any way we can get capitalists to come up with good ideas rather than the government......I'm all for it. UTubekookdetector.....give up on Pris.....he's been drinking the koolaid.

[UTubekookdetector]

I think PRIS needs an economics class. Inflation is a measure of how much costs have gone up. His comment "YOU KEEP BABBLING ABOUT INFLATION IT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT." He's upset. If avg. inflation was 4% during a given time frame and spending increases were 12%, that's a massive increase. If spending were only up 3%, that would be a decrease in REAL dollars. I don't think he understand the difference.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

Dear God...then you want us to believe schools aren't underfunded, because not only the hate group Heritage but the idiots at CATO say so?? Are you JOKING??

And the vomitous LIE that you give a DAMN about our children truly makes one wonder if you have any conscience at ALL. You continue the sick racist attacks on ACORN, and again whine about them contributing to UNICEF, calling it a "worthless organization"? Yeah, that proves it, you have no conscience whatsoever, just sick selfishness.

[UTubekookdetector]

I will also reference again, my videos at watch?v=t2I01sepAks & watch?v=39I6XyzsyFE that further refute PRIS' misinformation on class sizes, per pupil spending, test scores and graduation rates.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector Test scores are STILL a worthless measure of education, we put FAR too much emphasis on test scores. You STILL haven't even shown that you know what IDEA is, much less acknolwedged it's affect on costs of education. Per pupil spending is up, but NOT as much as costs, we are STILL badly underfunding our schools.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector Your video doesn't "refute" jack squat, it just promotes more lies, and as "reference" gives links to radical right hate groups with the credibility of the bathroom wall at Stuckeys. You want to pretend the PROVEN FACTS of global warming aren't real, all to promote the sick schemes of school vouchers (which you dishonestly refer to as "school choice", which ALREADY fully exists) just one more way the far right wants to underfund our schools and DENY educational opportunity.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: School choice does not exist everywhere. Is a charter school a facet of school choice? Now you're going off on an unrelated topic. You seem to be rather desperate. Now you're just claiming by data is "biased" much like a mathematician has a "bias" towards 2+2=4. School choice has not been fully implemented because if a man sends his kids to a private school, he still pays property taxes to fund public schools. Lastly, where is education mentioned in the US Constitution?

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector Lie. School choice DOES exist everywhere. EVERY SINGLE PERSON has the right to choose to home school or put their kids in private schools. EVERY SINGLE ONE. This is NOT about choice, it's about robbing our underfunded public schools. You BET a person who sends his kids to private schools does, and SHOULD, pay for public schools which benefit ALL of society. The notion that the RIGHT of education should only be for the wealthy is from the bowels of hell.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

the far right continues to attack teachers, and the NEA's goal of educational opportunity for every child.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: Give me some specifics to back up that rag. I'll ask you the same question I've asked several others. In the last 40 years (adjusting for inflation) has per pupil public spending gone up or down and by how much? How are test scores faring in that time frame? Good luck!

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector Test scores are a lousy way of measuring education goals, and the COSTS of education have gone up far far MORE than the money we put into our schools. Two facts remain-- one, we UNDERFUND our schools, and two the teachers organizations you attack and hate exist SOLELY to promote better education for every kid.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: Per pupil spending is more than 3 times the rate of inflation. I'd say YOU were probably education in a public school. New York public schools added 15,000 teachers between 2000 and 2009, despite losing 121,000 students during that time frame. Between 2001 and 2007, 12 states experienced declining enrollments while expanding teaching and support staff. These unions are liberal house organs that use union dues for political purposes. Why do you think they fight tenure reforms? Sorry!

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector And costs are ALSO increasing far more than inflation, which you CONTINUE to ignore entirely.

FAR from all those added are classroom teachers, many are paraprofessionals, reading experts, special education teachers. You continue to IGNORE that in the time frame we "increased spending 3 times the rate of inflation" we ALSO passed IDEA and stopped merely shuttling the disabled into the "LD trailer" to be ignored. THAT is what those attacking our schools would return us to.

[UTubekookdetector]

See my previous comment and provide actual data. Sorry, you have NOT looked at the data kid, you are spouting talking points. You've also avoided the fact that a dozen states added thousands of public sector education positions while enrollment declined. Whoops! nationwide we have gone from 22.3 pupils per teacher in 1970 to 15.7 in 2005

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector I'm not a kid, and I have looked at the data. Yes, funding is up, but costs are up MORE. These are FACTS, not "talking points". At LEAST you now admit what I said all along, these are NOT all classroom teaching positions, they are EDUCATION positions, many dealing with very few children because of the need for special education, paraprofessionals, and specialty teachers we did not have 40 years ago. And class sizes have decreased but are still too high in many schools.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: You're flailing away now kid. Class sizes on avg. have been dramatically reduced across-the-board, you haven't disputed that (after saying before they have not been significantly reduced). You might want to take your info up with the CPI or the gov't, per pupil spending is well abov the rate of inflation. It sounds to me like you don't even know what core inflation is. Many states have continued adding positions as enrollment falls. So, unless you have something new, you'll be on your way.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector It's not "flailing", it's facts. And, AGAIN, I tell you AGAIN that spending is NOT going up as fast as costs. Why are you talking about "inflation" that is NOT educational costs, that is OVERALL inflation, as if all we were doing is buying products. YES positions are added, so there is a little LESS understaffing in the schools, but there is STILL great need in most of them, NOT enough teachers, NOT enough funding, ALL you're doing is misrepresenting things to bash teachers.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: I have linked to the facts, Dept. of Education figures and state spending tell a diff. story. You don't understand what core inflation is, take en economics class. You haven't responded to anything, you're posting generalized rants. It's akin to taking talking points off the bathroom wall. You haven't looked at the figures. Per pupil spending overall (state, local & Federal, federal alone is much higher) is more than double the inflation rate. Sorry.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector Uh, no, you linked to radical right hate groups and Cato crapola. Now, I'll ask AGAIN, since you've not answered a simple question, do you even know what IDEA is??

I don't do talking points, and it is NOT "generalized rants" to tell the TRUTH, that your sick LIE that our schools aren't underfunded is based in selfish propoganda and NOT reality. I HAVE looked at the figures, they're TOTALLY misleading and IGNORE the needs of our KIDS, about whom you obviously don't care.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: In your next comment you will answer the following questions, you don't wnat do do the necessary legwork and instread of refuting the stats (they are linked within the links too but you didn't look) you're just going to declare everyone else's stats "biased." That doesn't work here. Here are your 3 questions. 1) Is a charter schol a facet of school choice 2) why do I have to pay property taxes if I send my kids to a private school? 3) Where is education mentioned in the US Constitution?

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector

Now, school choice has NOTHING to do with charter schools or vouchers. It is about people being able to choose which school they go to, and that exists fully and always has.

You have to pay property taxes if you have no kids or kids in private school because education is a right for EVERY child and some cannot afford it, and because ALL of us benefit from an educated populace.

Education isn't required, or banned, in the constitution, nor is the internet, jazz, or baseball

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: Education is no more a right than anything else, except for those enumerated powers in the Const. The "general welfare" clause as interpreted by the Father of the Const. James Madison, would lend you no help (I doubt your school went over his comments on "objects of benevolence"). Glad to see you admitted that education is NOT mentioned in the Const. and is thus under the auspices of the 10th amendment. Is a charter school a facet of school choice?

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector A truly sick lie. Of COURSE education is a right for EVERY child. The constitution does NOT say 'These are the only rights', which is why this irrelevent blather about the constitution doesn't change this--education IS a basic human right.

Then again, so is food and housingand health care and, thanks to selfish lowlifes on the right, we have MILLIONS denied these rights, as well.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: You can't stay on topic very long can you? You don't understand the Const. It has specific enumerated powers listed in it, education is not a function of the federal gov't. Anything the gov't touches, you will see costs increase. The same is true of public transportation (see my featured vid son). Ok, your next coment will finally answer my question while you're googling talking points. Is a charter school a facet of school choice?

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector Lie. The Constitution does NOT forbid public education in any way at all. "Anything the govt touches prices go up" is a right wing myth, and this is about education, NOT saving money, we're not trying to be cheapest, we're trying to be BEST. I've NO interest in your sick attacks on public transportation, it's no surprise you're foolishly against that. You want ONLY wealthy people to be able to get around, no matter how much better for the environment mass transit is.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector FUCK THE RATE OF INFLATION!!! YOU KEEP BABBLING ABOUT INFLATION IT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT!!

Costs have gone up much, much MORE than spending. "core inflation" has NOTHING AT ALL to do with this. ZERO. ZIP.

You have spending, you have costs. Spending IS up. Costs are up far MORE, for many reasons, NONE of which you have the slightest grasp of. You know NOTHING about education or teaching, you're just another selfish right wing thug looking for a tax break for the rich.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: Costs are increasing higher than the rate of infation? That's how core inflation is measured you moron. As of right now, we are going through deflation, prices are falling. You are totally clueless. The REAL (not NOMINAL, do you understand the difference?) spending increases concerning public education are well above the rate of inflation, they have been massive.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector Lie. Inflation is measured for ALL costs, not just the cost of education. I'm NOT clueless, I know a great deal about this subject, and all you "know" is the radical right lies and cheap teacher bashing. NO, the spending, real or nominal has NOT kept up with the increase in COSTS of education, primarily due to IDEA, which you've probably never heard of before.

All this gets to one basic point, which is that our schools are badly underfunded, and teachers are underpaid.

[biggerturtle]

NEA = scum

[ReprogramurMind]

NEA = Rockefeller founded institute. We all know they promote socialism, and one world Govt.

[UTubekookdetector]

Good point. Not sure if you've read up on this but the NEA was pushing FDR hard during the Great Depression to nationalize as many industries as possible.

[ReprogramurMind]

Really?

Page 804 Of David Rockefellers book he states " I am a part of Kabal, And if it is a one world govt that I am accused of trying to create than I stand guilty as charged"

Watch the documentary " One Nation Under Siege" It us on google video. Stalin and Hilter also wanted to control the education system.

[UTubekookdetector]

All Fascist regimes want to control education, easier to brainwash the kids.

I would assume that you were as angry as I was when Bush pushed for and signed No Child Left Behind. I want the unconstitutional Fed. Dept. of Ed. shut down.

cato-at-libertyDOTorg/2009/04/­21/nea-asks-president-to-natio­nalize-industries/

Thanks for the documentary, I will put it in my queue.

[ReprogramurMind]

That's a pretty good article. Check out agenda 21, they are trying to promote this in our schools now. Sustainable Energy Concept, put forth by the UN

Yea the No child left behind was total bullsheit! Designed to bring everyone to the middle with no negative of positive results.

I want to put my child in private school

[UTubekookdetector]

If I were Governor, I would allow people to receive a dollar-for-dollar tax credit for donations to private schools (cutting it off at say $1000). It's much better than vouchers.

That way you could send your child to a private school and avoid the public brainwashers.

Bush was no conservative, NCLB proved that. All that federal money we've spent on public education and testing scores remain flat.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@ReprogramurMind You're making a McCarthyite clown of yourself with this idiotic claim. The NEA is not an "institute", it is funded by money from the EDUCATORS of this country.

They do NOT promote socialism, they promote ONLY good learning. The sick idea that it's the job of teachers to promote capitalism is as unAmerican as it gets, they SHOULD give students facts, not propoganda, and let them make up their OWN mind but in Texas where the radical right's taken over, they get propoganda.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: You're bringing up McCarthyism? Must be desperate. The fact that you didn't know that classroom sizes have fallen dramatically, per pupil spending has skyrocketed and federal dollars for education have increased dramatically proves that you are in fact a product of the system you defend. Sorry! I do accept your concession, unless you have some actual data and not generalizations to add to the conversation. I expect that in your next reply.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector There's nothing "desperate" about it at all, I'm not the one promoting the absurd LIE that the NEA is "socialist", there's nothing BUT McCarthyism behind that idiocy.

Classroom sizes have NOT fallen dramatically, spending has "skyrocketed" LESS than costs have, and I'm proud to be a product of public education, we ALL should be.

What "actual data" do you want? You've given perfectly meaningless "information", which still doesn't address that our schools are underfunded.

[UTubekookdetector]

PRIS: You're an idiot and I accept your concession. As I stated before (interested users can look up this info at watch?v=t2I01sepAks & watch?v=39I6XyzsyFE ) per pupil spending is up, test scores are down (a facet of a nat'l curriculum) & class sizes are smaller. One would think this guy would know how to reference actual data, but he can't. I accept your concession PRIS. You were given ample opportunity to provide data and failed.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@UTubekookdetector You're a fundementally dishonest person, I didn't "concede" jack and you know it. Per student spending is up LESS than costs have gone up, test scores are WORTHLESS as a measure of education, and class sizes are STILL too high in many schools.

[sfldd]

A lot more than if there were no union at all. I am sure you would agree that companies have the right to donate to organizations that support their interests. And so do unions. People have a right to receive a good salary plus benefits.

[UTubekookdetector]

"companies have the right to donate to organizations that support their interests"

So if my boss (who is a multi-millionaire) started using corporate profits to prop up certain politicians you think that would be ok?

Poeple have the right to organize a union (via secret ballot--unions do win more than half of elections typically) but that union doesn't have the right to use members' dues for political purposes.

Define "a good salary." P.S. Thanks for your comments. :)

[sfldd]

If you want nothing to do with the NEA then don't accept the health benefits that it gets for you. You should also allow your school system to cut your salary in half because that is about how much you would be making without the union.

[UTubekookdetector]

How much more money would those teachers have if the NEA didn't waste money on partisan political activities?

[UTubekookdetector]

Thanks. Unions used to play a decent role, but now they're just partisan political machines.