Bible vs. Quran - Which Book is the Word of God?

[positron66]

Mark 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into a high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

Mark 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Notes: Jesus had the glory equal to his Father, not given but is his own; He is God.

[phylosophycalwisdom]

They are both the Words of GOD. They are both the Books Of Good and Evil. They can both destroy you and they can both save you. Woe be on to those who add anything to them or take anything from them. When you all try to add your own interpretations to them, don't you know that you are guilty of adding and taking away? Those books are a curse to those who reads them for ills, and for those read them without understanding. They are a blessing to those who use them to bless. It is that simple!

[positron66]

Woe to those who wrote the Book with their own hands and say it is the Word of God!

[Mabvudza1]

when they know full well it is not. e.g. God says He made men and then beast, but then turns and says made beast then men. honestly. as for Iblis mocking Allah, i sent u a mail about that.

[positron66]

There is no turn around as Genesis Chapter 2 is not a chronology of creation.

Allah practises idolatry for commanding angels to worship a created man Adam.

Surah 7:11 And We created you, then fashioned you, then told the angels: "Fall ye prostrate before Adam!" And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration.

[positron66]

Allah is not all-knowing for lacking the knowledge as why Iblis refused to worship Adam???

Surah 7:12 He said: What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee? (Iblis) said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.

[phylosophycalwisdom]

positron66, True, but the Book had to have an origin. Of course it has the tainted finger prints of man, but those who have eyes to see are able to identify the sense from the total nonsense. I do not believe in their god; I believe that the SUN, the Earth and the Moon are our GODS. Destroy one, and no alien christ can save us. If our SUN refuses to shine for 40 days, could any alien sun come in and tell our SUN to step aside and give us light? Could any god save us? WE are gods with GOD

[positron66]

God is the Creator of all things and inspired the holy men to write his words in the Holy Bible. Man is man; God is God. You are a mere man and not God!!!

[positron66]

Mark 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into a high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

Mark 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. Jesus had the glory equal to his Father which is not given but originally his.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

[phylosophycalwisdom]

positron, Jesus can NEVER be GOD'S equal, nor can he ever ascend and sit with GOD. OUR concept of GOD is a distorted fantasy perpetrated upon us by our religious leaders. GOD in not a man. God is not in partnership with any ONE MAN (Christ). GOD is a THOUGHT! THE SUPREME CONSCIOUSNESS; out of which came first LIGHT, THE SUN. And together, the GREAT CONSCIOUSNESS and THE SUN created the heavenly HOSTS, including Earth and US. WE ARE ALL OUR OWN CHRISTS. None can save you but YOU. WE ARE gods

[positron66]

phlosophycalwisdom, I have seen your profile which you confess as an anti-Christ and bear the mark 666. You are rebelling the works of the true Messiah Jesus the Son of God. You cannot comprehend the wisdom of God nor understand that you are a created being. Your soul is not of your own but from the creator. Choose you this day whom you will serve; as you serve the Fallen Angel Lucifier, you have made the wrong choice. Repent of your sins and worship your Creator God.

[positron66]

JESUS is the image of GOD as He could forgive sins on earth which the Scribes testified that no man can, except God only! Mark 2:7 Who can forgive sins but GOD only? Mark 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of Man hath POWER on earth to forgive sins

[DianaArmstrongGonzal]

ALL who wish to AVOID eternal damination, pay close attention to 5:40 the 2nd paragraph~

[positron66]

Iblis mocked Allah for being a fool. When Allah failed to command Iblis to submit, he still could not read the mind of Iblis as why he refused. Do you think such a god is almighty and all-knowing???

Surah 7:12

He said: What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee? (Iblis) said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.

[Mabvudza1]

yo yo yo, God is All knowing, He offers us the choice of what to believe, and has superior manners in which to show us. e.g. He knew wat happened, but Iblis was so arrogant he thot he was telling God was God didnt know, Quran speaks of God asking Jesus if he claimed to be God, Jesus then replies, if i had said such a thing, u would have known it, showing humbleness, opposite to Iblis. can u see the use of God asking questions?

had to format my pc, sory im late

[positron66]

Iblis mocked Allah for being a fool. When Allah failed to command Iblis to submit, he still could not read the mind of Iblis as why he refused. Do you think such a god is almighty and all-knowing???

Surah 7:12

He said: What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee? (Iblis) said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.

[Mabvudza1]

Son of God is one led by the spirit of God or not... please dont use one logic here and another there about the same term. keep in mind, Semetic language, no casing properties. please.

[positron66]

God is not limited by man's wisdom. You need the Holy Spirit of God in order to understand the spiritual things of God.

According to Al-Ghazali (1058-1111), one of the great Muslim Scholars, he expresses support for mathematics as an exact science, but argues that it cannot be used as a form of proof for religious or metaphysical doctrines due to their non-physical nature.

[positron66]

God is a Spirit, invisible, immaterial of time , space and non-physical. Can maths prove the existence of God? Neither can Maths refute that God cannot exist in more than one person. God is Almighty and infinite. So an finite mind cannot fully comprehend with an infinite God.

[positron66]

The incarnation of God to become a man means His glory is veiled by the flesh. Remove the veil will see his original glory. See the transfiguration of Jesus on the holy mount mentioned in Mark 9:2-3 which show the original glory of Jesus. If you look into a mirror in front of you, is the image exactly you? Jesus is the image of God.

[kutibah]

Surah 4:159 refers to the return of Jesus and when he TRULY dies and becomes resurrected. It is not in contradiction with the other surah's claiming he didn't die. He hasn't died. But when he returns to earth in the end of times, and then lives the life he never lived, and THEN dies, that is the death the verse refers to.

[positron66]

Quran [19:33] (Jesus said) "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!

[19:34] Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about

which they (vainly) dispute.

Note: The day I was born [by Mary - Past tense], the day that I die [Jesus was speaking - Present tense], and the day that I shall be raised up to life (Future Tense). The verse is a continuous event of Jesus' life on earth and not a broken chain.

[kutibah]

The Qur'an tells us that everyone shall taste death only once in their life. If this is the case, then the die I shall die and raised up to life refers to the day Jesus dies and is then resurrected on the day of Judgment. To say that this refers to the resurrection of him after his "death on the cross" is to deny that he will return to Earth as a Messiah and live his full life which he never got to live and die and be resurrected with everyone on Judgment day.

[positron66]

Quran [19:33] (Jesus said) "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!

[19:34] Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about

which they (vainly) dispute.

Note: The day I was born [by Mary - Past tense], the day that I die [Jesus was speaking - Present tense], and the day that I shall be raised up to life (Future Tense). The verse is ONE continuous event of Jesus' life on earth and not a broken chain.

[positron66]

Jesus died once and lives forever:-

Revelation 1:17-18 [Jesus said]..."Fear not: I am the First and the Last; and who liveth and was DEAD; and behold, I am alive for ever and ever. Amen. And I have the keys of death and of the unseen world. "

So did Quran confirm the Gospel as stated in Surah 3:3 and Surah 5:48???

[kutibah]

The Gospel present today is the collection of eyewitnesses reports. In Islam we do not refer to the present day Gospel as the Gospel of Jesus because it was not the direct words of revelation to Jesus from God. In Islam we have something similar called Hadeeth which are sayings of the Prophet, but we do not believe in all of them because they are prone to wrong accountations. But in Islam we have both. We have the Qur'an which is the direct words of God revealed to Muhammad.

[positron66]

kutibah, you have been deceived. Please show me the Torah and the Gospel which Surah 3:3 tells us about. If you cannot produce it then it is a fat lie. Surah 7:157 says the BOOK was kept by them - the Jews and Christians. Do u tell us who told you so?

"In Islam we do not refer to the present day Gospel as the Gospel of Jesus because it was not the direct words of revelation to Jesus from God." Whatever Jesus teaches are from GOD. WHO says it is NOT???

[kutibah]

All I can say is that I believe in God and Science. As Dr. Maurice Bucaille researched both the Bible and the Qur'an and wrote in his book "The Bible, The Qur'an, and Modern Science" he has concluded that at least in terms of Science and Religion, it is only the Qur'an which does not contradict Science. Genesis tells us that God created the Sun after the Earth and after plants had been growing on Earth. To me, that is an altered word of God because God's words would not contradict science.

[positron66]

Internal Contradiction in Quran:

1) Heavens and earth were created in 6 days and then Allah mounted on his throne (Surah 7:54, Surah 10:3, Surah 11:7). Allah omitted to create all things between the 6 days.

VERSUS

2) Heavens and earth and ALL that is between them in 6 days (Surah 25:59, Surah 32:4, Surah 50:38)

Which days Allah created the first man and woman???

[Mabvudza1]

u guy, ALL that is between the heavens and the earth were created in 6 days, so then?? there is not contradiction up here!!!

is it that there are only 6 verses about the 6 days of creation?

[positron66]

Three (3) verses in Quran namely Surah 7:54, 10:3 & 11:7 speak of Allah created the heavens and the earth in 6 Days contradict with 2 verses Surah 25:59 & 32:4 speak of the creation of heavens & the earth, and all that is between them in 6 Days.

[positron66]

John 12:48 [Jesus said] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the SAME shall judge him in the last day.

Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Joh 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

[positron66]

Your denial is baseless because Surah 29:46 and Surah 5:157 says it is the same BOOK which Christians used at the time of MUhammad.

[Mabvudza1]

you guy, the Quran talks saying Scripture about certain things is still available in wat Bible they HAVE!!! but not all is true, check out Jeremiah 8:8, furthermore, bible says man was created then beast, the previous chapter says the opposite order. which is true??

[positron66]

The Son of God vs. Son of Mary???

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, "... holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called "the Son of God".

Surah 3: 45 when the angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, JESUS, SON OF MARY ...

Surah 3:3 boasts of it is confirming the Torah and the Gospel which you can see it is false: SOn of Mary Versus The SOn of God!!!

[Mabvudza1]

Son of God is one led by the spirit of God!! not a physical son... yeish

[positron66]

The Son of God is one born by the Spirit of God and not led by the Spirit of God.

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

[Mabvudza1]

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, nor a son of man.

please note, Semetic languages did not distinguish capitals and small case, Jesus refers to himself as the Son of Man much too many times to be ignored. He is not God.

As for Son of God, yes he is called son of God, but he is not begotten like an animal act, he was created by God! ur vicious circle will continue, i show u ur bible has mistakes, but u still end up refering to it. im not studing an error ridden book for my life exam no sirry.

[positron66]

Allah has decreed that all muslims to enter hell and rescue only those free from sins. Surah 19:71-72 tells it all and Christians and Jews are spared from hell as told in Surah 2:62. Surah 3:55 says that followers of Jesus are superior than other faith. So Christians are of superior faith than Muslims' faith.

[positron66]

God is not a liar and that His promise of salvation through Jesus is trustworthy.

No man can lie against God who told me that to follow Jesus is the right path to Paradise. The words of Jesus in the Gospel are true as the miracles of Jesus have proved Him to be honest and sent by His Father to tell the gospel of His Kingdom. Follow Lord Jesus today!

[positron66]

ThwIslamicVanguard, you must answer questions on Surah 3:3, Surah 5:48, Surah 29:46 and tell us what Quran is confirming about???

[TheIslamicVanguard]

The Quran confirms the truth of all previous revelations (muhaymin) In other words it is the benchmark upon which all previous revelation is to be judged. If something conflicts with the Quran then it will have been a later man made innovation and interpolation. You do not have the Injeel nor the Taurat.

You may be aware that Arabic words are for the most part formed upon a trilateral root, similar to Islam having the same root as Salam which is S-L-M.

[positron66]

NO, the correct benchmark are the Torah and the Gospel which are with the Jews and Christians - refer Surah 7:157. You failed to understand Quran or lied.

[TheIslamicVanguard]

No believe me it is you that have failed to understand.

Peace

[positron66]

When you confirm your friend's name is correct, but he said your confirmation is baseless, then who is right? Of course his Identification Card in hand will tell who is right. The logic is "whoever asserts, have to prove it is truthful and correct". Can u read who asserts to be confirming???

Surah 5:48

And unto thee have We revealed the [Quran] Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it [Quran], and a watcher over it [Quran].

[positron66]

Surah 3:3 He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He [Allah] revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

The rule of thumb is the latter Book which says to be CONFIRMING must be proven truthful in its claim and not the earlier BOOKS which never boast about to confirm WHATEVER BOOKS before it.

[TheIslamicVanguard]

From the root h-y-m-n which has the following classical Arabic connotations:

to watch over, oversee, protect, guard

to be a witness to

to offer security and peace

to determine what is true

It is a protector, an over see'er of previous scripture, a criterion for truth. It determines the truth held within previous scriptures. If you want truth seek it in the final revelation from God.....the Quran

Peace

[positron66]

You and other Muslims have distorted about your own Quran which says:-

to watch over, oversee, protect, guard

to be a witness to

to offer security and peace

to determine what is true

OVER YOUR QURAN BUT WE SEE THERE IS NO TRUTH WHEN IT FAILS TO EVEN CONFIRM THE EARLIER SCRIPTURES AS CLAIMED in SURAH 5:48.

[positron66]

Watcher OVER IT is your QURAN and not watcher over the earlier Scriptures. You failed to see the difference. But there is no truth in your Quran 5:48. The allegation of the earlier 2 books Torah and Gospel are corrupt is a last attempt to save your false claims in QURAN. BUT Surah 3:3 says it was Allah who revealed the earlier scriptures of the Torah and the Gospel. So how could you claim your Allah reveal Quran in truth but failed to preserve his own earlier scriptures? It means your Allah lied

[positron66]

You wrote "It is a protector, an over see'er of previous scripture, a criterion for truth."

NO, IT'S THE QURAN. WATCHER OVER IT, IS IN THE CONTEXT OF YOUR OWN QURAN AS "BEFORE IT" IS QURAN AND "WATCHER OVER IT" IS QURAN TOO. When Allah watched over Quran, how could it still failed to confirm earlier books told in Surah 3:3???

Surah 5:48

And unto thee have We revealed the [Quran] Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it [Quran], and a watcher over it [Quran].

[TheIslamicVanguard]

lol....Im afraid you are distorting the meaning of the Quran my friend. Its okay not to believe that the Quran is the criterion to which all revelation is to be judged, that will ultimately be your loss....it is your choice to reject the final revelation to mankind but your efforts at distortion are lacklustre and rather laughable. Like I said before you are sorely lacking in knowledge with regard this topic.

Peace

[positron66]

TheIslamicVanguard, Muslims do not believe what Quran says, eg. Surah 3:3, Surah 5:48 and Surah 29:46

Surah 29:46 (Pickthal) clearly emphasizes on 3 points: (1) And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong;

(2) and say: WE BELIEVE in that which hath been revealed unto us and REVEALED UNTO YOU;

(3) our God and your God is One [same God], and unto Him [same God] we surrender.

Yet Muslims say the Gospel is lost

[positron66]

The key word is "ASK" and not interpret your Quran. Ask what? Ask what was revealed in the Quran and yet in doubt about its meaning!

10:94 [Pickthal]

And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

[Mabvudza1]

Dude, If God wanted Muhammad to interact with someone unknowingly, further emphasizing it is God who guides, then this can be done many ways. one is to make him ask Christians about wat is revealed, and the differences in the Quran and Bible e.g Noah and the ark, show it was not copied, and Quran is more Archeaologically correct.

[TheIslamicVanguard]

It is futile to make the assertion that the Quran confirms the new testament or gospel accounts due to it condemning in the most explicit terms many of the articles of faith wriiten and derived from within them. Besides if the Quran confirmed all that was within the scriptures that the people of the book now follow why would God exhort us Muslims to 'not argue....except in the kindliest manner' (29:46)

Peace

[positron66]

It says 3 things and not just argue.

Surah 29:46 (Pickthal) clearly emphasizes on 3 points: (1) And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong;

(2) and say: WE BELIEVE in that which hath been revealed unto us and REVEALED UNTO YOU (this general statement cannot be true if one doctrine is contradictory so Quran is standing on soft sand)

(3) our God and your God is One [same God], and unto Him [same God] we surrender.

[TheIslamicVanguard]

As for surah 10 verse 94 christians are forever taking this verse out of its original context...

Just the last verse preceding it...

[10:93] We have endowed the Children of Israel with a position of honor, and blessed them with good provisions. Yet, they disputed when this knowledge came to them. Your Lord will judge them on the Day of Resurrection regarding everything they disputed.

[positron66]

Surah 10:93 talks about the Jews, Children of Israel with position of honour and Surah 10:94 talks about what WE reveal to YOU Muhammad and not ISRAELITE

Surah 10:94 (Pickthal) And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto THEE,

[TheIslamicVanguard]

[10:94] If you have any doubt regarding what is revealed to you from your Lord, then ask those who read the previous scripture. Indeed, the truth has come to you from your Lord. Do not be with the doubters

[positron66]

Quran is merely words of Muhammad learnt from Christian Waraqa and from Bahira. There is no truth in it that it is confirming the Torah and the gospel as he made a grave mistake to presume it was so but now we know it is untrue. What is true are most names of the Biblical characters have been plagiarized.

[TheIslamicVanguard]

This verse is about the children of israel and their fleeing from the tyrant pharoah. If you look at the whole surah it is very obvious that God is telling Muhammed (pbuh) that if he has any doubt about this event taking place to ask the people of the book to confirm it. It is not an all out confirmation of the previous scriptures.

Peace

[positron66]

The event of the bondage of Hebrews by Pharoah of Egypt occurred about 1,400 years before Jesus was born or about 1,970 years before Muhammad was born in 570AD. So what does this event have to do with the Jews and Christians around 610-632AD when Muhammad was preaching???

The logical things are whatever was revealed to MUHAMMAD in the Quran and not about Pharoah which Jews have never seen too!

[eheana]

Praise the Lord

The Bible is the word of TRUTH

[lovecarlaa18]

The Bible is the word Of the living God_The greatest book on Earth_

[afghan303]

(continued) NO WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT IT DOESNT HAVE TRUTH IN IT...

[positron66]

Surah 3:3 failed to prove it is truthful because CONFIRMING the Gospel such as the title of Jesus known as The Son of God told by Gabriel in the Gospel is never used in the Quran. If Quran is from Gabriel, why the Son of God is never mentioned as the title of Jesus???

[afghan303]

Mr. Indeed Pickthal is CORRECT. But u misquoted.. You quotes Picthal's Translation and it still doesnt say that the The torah and the gospels dont have truth in t.. where does it say that???

No where in the quran does it sau that Jesus is the son of god..

God is NOT an animal that he will begate a son.. what are you uttering???

You are insulting god women have SEX with men and this how they brgate a son!!!

THEN WHO IS GOD'S WIFE???

[positron66]

Now common sense tells us that when it is CONFIRMING, it is the truth that is to be confirmed and not the falsehood which Quran wants to confirm. Surah 5:48 tells you better where "truth" is mentioned

[afghan303]

The Quran is NOT from Gabriel!!! The Quran is from GOD ALIMGHTY... and Gabriel was merley an angel///

and I will leave you with 5 simple questions...

[afghan303]

(continued)

(4) Who was the father of Jechoniah?

Josiah (Matthew 1:11)

Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)

(5) Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?

Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)

No. (John 12:27)

Hope to hear from you soon..

[positron66]

afghan303, please read my 7 rules for posting comments in my channel and observe Surah 29:46 on what are wrong

The aspect on crucifixion of Jesus has been confirmed in Surah 19:33 and Surah 29:46.

[mianrashed]

come on sir, Complete the chapter by reading it until Surah 19:29 - Surah 19:40, that is the complete statement of Almighty GOD with context and conclusion

[positron66]

Surah 29:46 (Pickthal) clearly emphasizes on 3 points: (1) And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong;

(2) and say: WE BELIEVE in that which hath been revealed unto us and REVEALED UNTO YOU;

(3) our God and your God is One [same God], and unto Him [same God] we surrender.

[afghan303]

Bro bro,,,, U are misleading ppl... And quoting the Holy Quran WRONGLY! IN THe QURAN in 3:3 u LIED! U said the torah and gospel HAS NO TRUTH IN IT...

Here is the real trnalstion..

It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Torah (Of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) (3) Before this as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

[positron66]

afghan303, you quoted from Yusuf Ali while I quoted from Pickthal How can u said Pickthal is wrong or I lied? I can say u lied indeed without looking at other quran translations!!!

Surah 3:3

Pickthal

He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

[positron66]

The title of the last song is "Nothing but the blood of Jesus" from United Hill Songs. You can click the Video Response above for the song. God bless you.

[MissDragonFyre]

Amen! If the Bible was changed then God himself would be rendered a liar which is impossible for God to lie!

[positron66]

Whosoever accused that the word of God in the Bible has been changed are liars because God cannot lie. So the evidence will rebound to the accusers of the Book.