Re: The Dangers, Results, and History of Decisional Regene

[CRoadwarrior]

@fractalfires Repeat what you wish. But the RECORD here will speak for itself. I never called you a name. I challenged you to have Hebrew read to you in LIVE CHAT. I am done with your nonsense.

[CRoadwarrior]

@fractalfires According to the "best Hebrew scholars" ...which you clearly are NOT. I can read and write in Hebrew and Greek. You do not understand what spiritual death means. LOL. Wow...it is clear you need to study Christian theology more.

[CRoadwarrior]

@fractalfires I have learned Hebrew ("A" student in graduate school).  LOL. Please...

[CRoadwarrior]

@fractalfires No, the liar is you. As I said, come to Paltalk and I will READ GENESIS 2 TO YOU IN HEBREW. Don't tell me what I don't know. You have exposed yourself as one who makes wild assumptions and does not know Scripture accurately.

[CRoadwarrior]

@fractalfires Really now? I know nothing of Hebrew? How about you join me in a LIVE audio chat like Paltalk or video chat like Stikam, so I can READ TO YOU GENESIS 2 in Hebrew? I know BOTH original languages of the Bible. So don't go there with me. You have revealed your nature by name-calling and your ignorance is revealed. No, it's YOU who knows nothing of Hebrew. LOL.

[CRoadwarrior]

@fractalfires And by the way, I am not a "calvinist." Stop making assumptions and get facts by asking questions.

[CRoadwarrior]

@fractalfires LOL. You clearly do not know the Bible. The text clearly says IN THE DAY YOU EAT, you will surely die. Not 930 years later. So it is clear that on that day, Adam and Eve died spiritually, and LATER physical death followed. It's really simple. Case was never open because you don't understand Scripture. Now if you want to persist in displaying your ignorance, then please explain what Jesus meant in Matt. 8:22. PLEASE try to tell me He meant physically dead. LOL.

[CRoadwarrior]

@fractalfires Quit playing semantics. ON or IN THE DAY you eat. Same difference. The death on that day was "spiritual."

[CRoadwarrior]

@fractalfires Try reading Genesis 2:17 then compare Gen. 3:6-9, then read Gen. 5:5. You should be able to get this. God said in the DAY you eat, you shall surely die. It is clear no one died that day...thus...if it wasn't physical it had to be (drum roll).....

[daveme7]

Brother,

If that is you "rambeling" I say, keep rambeling on! Great testimony.

[CRoadwarrior]

The only thing I would add here is that, being a new Christian, you are more suseptable to false doctrine. I find Paul Washer is unnecessarily alarmist and at times unbiblical in his views. In one video he totally took a Psalm out of context making up a flawed argument based on his out of context Psalm. So I would advise you to be careful, prayerful and discerning. The church does not teach "decisional regeneration." That something Paul made up. God does the regenerating upon repentance.

[blaqstar1]

While I would agree with you concerning Paul Washer's approach. Decisional Regeneration is an approach that has been used often (Especially in seeker-sensitive churches) Maybe not the church that you go to, and I thank God that you have one that dosent teach that. But from experience I can say that it does, and it is an approach that does not exist in the new testament. To a person that is lost and "dead in sin" cannot choose God. A man must be regenerated before one can repent

[CRoadwarrior]

blaqstar1. While a person "dead" in sin is dead to God, such a person is still alive physically and can make choices. There is no Scripture that teaches you must be regenerated "before" you can repent. Repentance comes first, then there is forgiveness, then regeneration. There are similarities between the "dead" physically and the dead spiritually, but there are also vital differences. There is no absolute correlation.

[parakeethands]

able to make choices....yes. able to choose the good as relates to salvation....no. we have a will but it is bound to choosing only what God considers evil and not good that could assist in your salvation. dead means dead. dead in sin is what the scriptures teach. unable to respond to God. thus the reason and necessity for regeneration which is soley done by God for His glory alone. read "Bondage of the Will" by Martin Luther and "The Death of Death in the Death of Christ" by John Owen.

[CRoadwarrior]

parakeethands...It's not about choosing anything that could "assist" in salvation. Salvation does involve a choice. Dead may mean dead, BUT there is a vital difference between being dead physically and dead spiritually. Physically dead people can't do ANYTHING. However, spiritually dead people can drive cars, fly airplanes, etc. The Bible nowhere teaches that you must be regenerated BEFORE you can respond to God. I don't have to read Luther or Owen on that. Scripture is clear enough.

[parakeethands]

yes scripture DOES in fact teach regeneration before repentance. the bible teaches that the very act of repentance and faith is a gift given after the gift of regeneration has been accomplished. look at Philippians 1:29. i didn't say you had to read Luther and Owen, they only point out what the scriptures already teach. it's always helpful to consult other books about the bible, commentaries, classic systematic theology, etc. in the context of scripture on being dead in sin means dead 2 God

[parakeethands]

you really didn't make a point here. everyone knows that a physically alive person is capable of different functions, hence the term "alive" by the very definition that they are in fact able to function in a lively manner. no one doubts or debates that. that would be illogical. however, the context of scripture is such that it teaches man outside of God is dead in sin and therefore totally unable to respond to God as it relates to repentance toward salvation and so needs God's intervention.

[CRoadwarrior]

I also wanted to add that when I mentioned "church" in my prior post, I was not speaking of "my" church but the church as a whole. We make decisions but our decisions do not produce salvation - God does. We love Him because He first loved us, but His "first" does not negate that we return that love.

[parakeethands]

yes there are many churches that in fact do teach decisional regeneration. maybe you should read some books on this subject to become aware of what is being taught in churches. you might want to read "The Invitation System" by Iain H. Murray to begin with.

[CRoadwarrior]

parakeethands. IF some churches are indeed teaching "decisional regeneration," then they are wrong.  However, I have not see this on any wide scale.

[parakeethands]

then you aren't looking. decisional "regeneration' is so accepted as being the way it's done by so many that many do not even question it nor do they seem to see the need to question it. they just think that it's been done this way so it's the way to continue. it's in the very fabric of church "services" to have altar calls. look at the Billy Graham crusades, Greg Laurie too. it IS on a wide scale. open your eyes and look around you.

[daveme7]

If you want to see this, I got some great places to go see this. Oentecostal, Independent Fundamental Baptist and some Evangelical churches. Perhaps also Weslyan type churches-never really went to one, but because of my experiance in those other types of churchrs.

Sword of the Lord is a newspaper where you will see this. "How to win souls and get them down the aisle" byCurtis Hutson a former editor of the Sword of the Lord

[justin3905]

Amen brother, i have almost the exact same testimony ran across the same Pual Washer sermon and a sermon by John MacArhur that opened my eyes that i was truely an unsaved believer and that everything rests soley on God doing that transforming work of changing your heart, filling you with the spirit, changing your nature to where you hate the sin you once love and love the sin you once hated, awesome testimony just like mine

[parakeethands]

it appears as though from what i am reading and what i have heard from scholars that reformed theology is experiencing a revival!!! hallelujah!!! i am excited about it! may i also recommend r.c. sproul, john piper, michael horton, martin luther, john calvin, jonathan edwards, john owen, etc. and other puritan authors such as charles spurgeon, richard baxter, john mcgill ( i think)....etc. :)

God bless.

[zkueker88]

I pray that God continues to conform you to the image of His son for His glory alone. God bless!

[EzekielRomans]

Blaqstar1, thanks for posting this. What an encouragement. I can really relate to all the postings on here as well. I made my "decision" many times during my childhood/teenage/college years only to find out now that I had never truly repented of my sins with "Godly sorrow" that only he can grant us. It takes a supernatural work of God in our hearts to break the tradition of men "decisionism" that has been created and passed down over the last several decades.

[bereansearch]

May God bring revival, by the power of His gospel, and through faithful carriers of His truth.

[roboshort72]

Amen and Amen!

[Jitpring]

Even if you are not Catholic, I recommend that you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Infinite depths....

[AllForYeshua]

You say that one has to show evidence and that scipture says to bring forth fruit suitable for repentance. What do you think that means? You also say that choosing Christ is not any where in scripture. We know that Jesus preached man's need to repent all through the Gospels, as does the all of scripture. What do you think that means? What has changed in your heart from your previous condition?

[blaqstar1]

To bring forth fruits suitable for repentence (Luke 3:7) is to recognise one's depravity before God and that we have nothing within ourselves to offer him to warrent our salvation (human righteousness, works). The person that comesto that knowledge will have no self-righteousness whatsoever and will come humbley to Christ that is what that means. Choosing Christ is nowhere in scripture when I say that I mean this. In Scripture no one decided that Christ was Lord he just was (Con't)

[blaqstar1]

As far as Decisionism no one comes to Christ unless the Father calls them (John 6:44). Also God works in us to will and do that of his Good Pleasure (Phil. 2:13). So based on those verses you cannot choose Christ unless God draws you nor can you seek God unless God by his Spirit compels you to. Repentence is not of man either, it is the ministry of the Holy Spirit alone that draws men to repent. John 16:8-11. Men cannot/will not repent on their own because by nature they hate God (Rom 1:30)con't

[blaqstar1]

My life has changed in many way since my conversion but mostly in this way. The sin that was so enjoyable to me before I now hate and mourn over and the God that I so despised and Mocked I now throw myself upon as my only hope. I hope this helped.

[valambiguous]

Yah bless you my brother, for your bold testimony of the truth, and Yah bless brother Lane for being a lighthouse, in the midst of darkness, here on You Tube. I came from a very well known legalistic institutional background, where they made us tarry, i.e. clap, spit and roll around all night shouting out, "Please, Please, PLEASE... save me Jesus! My heart is filled with sorrow for them, because this is still their way.

[roboshort72]

Praise God He opened your eyes and now you see!

[roboshort72]

The first thing that I saw a problem with was this doctrine of "decisional regeneration". Which as I read things like, "If you persist..", "examine yourself to see if you are in the faith", "They went out from among us because they were not part of us..", "They will say Lord Lord and I will say depart from me I never knew you". That throws a real monkey wrench into "Pray the prayer and you're in". Then to find out that whole decision idea was very recent. Praise God he woke you and I up!

[blaqstar1]

Yes I know! a very incorrect and dangerous doctrine is being preached today! thanks for the comment

[roboshort72]

Not what the youth pastor did. But the response. I didn't understand why we wouldn't hold to doctrine no matter the cost. Why discipline wasn't practiced. Then I found Ligonier Ministries, Paul Washer, Spurgeon, Luther, MacArthur, Nine Marks Ministries. Then I saw the real mess the Church was in. How "evangelicals" were not willing to fight for Truth, or even debate it. They want peace, unity. But unity based on anything but Truth is not real unity. Doctrine divides.

[roboshort72]

We ran into some teaching that should have had no traction at all in our Church. But when we confronted it with leadership it was handled "quietly". The Youth Pastor left who was entertaining it and they never made any kind of statement to warn others of his teaching things that we would not allow him to teach. I was given all kinds of excuses. But ultimately it was that they were afraid it would cause problems because he was very popular with some. It was this that woke me up.

[roboshort72]

Praise God! I believe it was Paul Washer who said there was a rvival underway that most people were not aware of. That he was finding young people all over the world who were "discovering" the old preachers, Luther, Spurgeon, Calvin,Whitfield and Edwards. In the last couple of years my wife and I both started down that very road. We saw problems in the way the Bible described being saved and the way our Southern Baptist Church described it. Not to mention the lack of real understanding of God.

[blaqstar1]

Yes Brother, a revival is happening. And I praise God that he has made us a part of it!

[XtremeDevotion120]

Praise God! What a blessing it is to hear a bit of your testimony. As with many others responding to your video, I too was in a similar place. It wasn't until recently that God directed me into some of these great truths hidden through tradition in most churches. I am hungry for God's word; I am hungry for Him! It seems that the modern church is at a crux. Some are drifting further away and some are drifting toward scripture. Soli Deo Gloria!!

[roboshort72]

Amen and Amen! Even so Lord Jesus come quickly!

[118min]

blagstar1...we've never met, but you are my spiritual brother, it is great to hear your testimony and insight. I agree with you 100%. It is so enjoyable to witness this development in your spiritual insight and discernment. May God continue to bless you as you feed on God's Word.

I am the son of a pastor and grew up in the shallow intellectual decision of "trusting Jesus to remove my sins" but really trusting my "own decision" instead. I grew up in that for 26 yrs til God changed my heart.

[Chrystalwuzhere]

I first watched this on Lane's channel and wanted to jump over here and say God bless you. This truly blessed my heart and I rejoice in the Lord for you. To hear such truth in these dark days is so refreshing.

[Raada77]

It's always a blessing to hear that other people have gone through the same types of circumstances. My Christian convictions were definitely rocked after hearing messages posted by Lane and others on Youtube. I had always bowed my knee to God's sovereignty in creation (being a literal 6-day creationist), but had never fully understood how salvation actually works.

Books and online resources by John MacArthur, RC Sproul and others has really helped my walk with Christ.

[rpavich]

Count me in.

Falsely saved in 2001 by a pure decision with no regeneration of the heart.

Fast forward to 2005; being confronted by a friend over my Christless condition, thankfully God saved me!

there are many in the church today that are lulled into a false sense of security.

[mdkbdshan]

My thoughts exactly. When I first heart Paul Washer's "Shocking Message", I sent it out to my Christian friends and family. I was surprised that a few were offended. Why don't people want truth? My husband responded to it with stunned silence, and then the next day he was saved. He is reading his Bible as I'm typing. I wish I can give brother Paul a big hug. I'm grateful for Lane's channel to help me grow as a believer. God bless brother.

[shanebo99]

Thank you for sharing this brother! So many of us have a very similar story, and thank God that he rescued us from the wrath to come through his glorious and triumphant sinless Son Jesus Christ!

[hankdal]

Well said my brother. Thank you for posting this. I came down the same path that you brought up.

[usisguy]

Unfortunatly that what church is bringing easy believism-just raise your hand and say you exepted Jesus and now you are saved.Good post.People do not want to be inconvienced that have the tickling of ears like Paul mentioned.

Amen Brother

[diligentile]

Amen, well said! Those same messages from Washer turned my world upside down too.

[skalapunk]

Man, this touched me deeply. God bless you brother. I think alot of people can relate to your story, to be honest.

Praise Christ!

[waylifetruth]

Great Video, and well thought out. Praise God!

[LaneCh]

Thanks for posting this response! It warms my heart to hear these videos are making this kind of impact. I'd like to feature this on my channel for a while. Is that alright? I believe it would help others to hear this.

[blaqstar1]

LaneCh As much a your page has blessed me I would be grateful for it to be on your channel