Gilels plays Beethoven: piano concerto no.3 (1/5)

[gkollias14]

*that

* are you

[gkollias14]

You got thay whole wrong. Are you one of those trolls that do not believe what they say but just comment for self pleasure for the responses, or do are you serious about them thus i would make you a lonely man with phsycological problems or a with a girlfriend who believes that his opinion and ideology overthrows all others or a teenager.

[cigtt]

i saw this with lars vogt and the berlin phil! amazing concert!!

[cieobt2]

Magic ! Just magic in an ordinary (that is to say, magical) world. Molto grat.

[PetervonBelvedere]

Speaking of Paavo Berglund, what does it mean "one of the greatest Finnish conductors ever seen"? I mean no disrespect to the Finns but might be it analogous to being a "giant shrimp" or a "gigantic midget"? Some background on exemplary Finnish conductors is much needed. Evidently, mean spirits have taken me over my body today.

[Madamissima]

And this is all you have to say to this piece of music?

[cullivoebhoy]

I may be wrong, but I believe that Emil Gilels was born tn the Ukraine (Not Russia)

which is no longer under Communist domination - the Ukranian people still have bad memories and very strong anti-soviet feelings due to those very dark days in their history. (apologies if I am mistaken)

[murmanivanov]

@cullivoebhoy Gilels was born in Odessa, Russian Empire in 1916 to a Jewish family with no direct musical background that nevertheless owned a piano. The city of Odessa was founded by a decree of the Empress Catherine the Great in 1794. After graduating from the Odessa Conservatory in 1935, he moved to Moscow where he studied under Heinrich Neuhaus until 1937. many history? You were 1-st with yuor history bullshit

[stickitupyapipe]

You know what wiseguy? It was only my opinion, which no one is forcing you to agree with. You childish retort of "bullshit" clearly establishes your credentials.

[globality1]

Lovely, but I'm stuck between the rendering of Artur Rubenstein and Paul Lewis. 2 very different pianists but equally brilliant artistes. My son who is 16yrs old will be playing this next year at his school leaving concert at his wonderful high school in Cambridge, England.I'm encouraging him to look at different techniques, especially of the 2 maestros mentoned above.

[stickitupyapipe]

Not bad, but he should have invested some of his money in a few lessons with Arrau. It would definitely have paid dividends, and while he would never have fully understood Beethoven, he might have been able to at least copy the great Chilian.

[JCThomsonMA]

@stickitupyapipe bullshit

[stickitupyapipe]

@JCThomsonMA

Saying his playing is bullshit is being a bit harsh I´d say. He´s not quite that bad.

[JCThomsonMA]

@stickitupyapipe

as a comedian, you make a great music critic. still, you know best (everything?)

[mattcabideinchrist]

2 people are to picky to ignore the very slight buzzing noise. Get over it and enjoy the mastery!

[karazh]

7:46 is mozart! this little tribute is so charming :)

[lilymatti]

 matig....

[VictoryLeangue]

Ersten 4 Teile wunderschön von dieser Aufzeichnung, die 5. kann ich nicht gucken :'(

Scheiß auf diese Patente und Rechte...

[VictoryLeangue]

Wunderschönes Stück, sehr gute Version :)

Nur nicht soo gute Qualität :/

[LaMagnifica13]

I believe Beethoven was trying to eclipse Mozart and of course he was a huge role model.

[euhmamusic]

Great Video!!! Thank you for putting it up. Dear KlassikFan2007 put the conductors name on the tags, his name is Paavo Berglund, one of the greatest Finish conductors ever seen.

[KlassikFan2007]

@euhmamusic thank you for this information, I added it as well as the date of this concert in all clips.

[euhmamusic]

@KlassikFan2007 Thank you :)

[Chopin1976l]

Michelangeli placed seventh in asaÿe International piano competition. Gilels won.

[marielau87]

@Chopin1976l great, but competitions are not really what I'd call the best reference to classify great pianists... Not that I don't like Gilels - I love him - but I think Michelangeli is great too... They have different approaches and different repertoires.

[vonlwowitz]

@KlassikFan2007

There couldn't be a Benedetti-Michelangeli recording of a LvB 3rd, simply because B-M never recorded 98% of his repertoire, including the 3rd. If there is one, it should be uncomparable to anything you have ever heard as B-M wasn't mortal. Try to find the live recording of LvB 5th with Sweden symphony ( from about 1961 ) under Sergiu Celibidache's conducting. Then you'll see what I mean.

[kongsumei]

Hi, anyone know which year and with what orchestra was this video recorded? It will be much help if I have the full details about this recording. Thank you.

[jewish1972]

this reminds me so much of concert nº 25 by Mozart!

[jbbny]

Do you mean Mozart's no. 24 in C Minor?

[Smilthy]

Oh my dearr the violins!!!

[davidpiano]

who is this conductor? he is left-handed.

[Lonegan63]

Paavo Berglund

[MrYakk]

There is a lot of Mozart in this concerto.

The scales, the fine staccato in the main theme. You know?

[aramian21]

@MrYakk I agree that Beethoven was largely influenced by Mozart in his first and second concertos, but I fail to see Mozart here...This is middle age Beethoven...only Beethoven

[71lupenzo710]

@MrYakk is very similar! and 'the last one before the fourth and fifth that are completely different

[mikejr41387]

@MrYakk oh totally. Beethoven was obviously imitating the dramatic minor keyboard concertos of bach and mozart, especially mozart (d minor concerto!)

[throwscats]

@MrYakk I very much agree with that. That's the first thing I thought when I heard this.

And yet there is a lot of Beethoven in it--the passion, the bizarre mood swings, and the amazing virtuosity. That's why I love this piece. It's got so many Beethoven characteristics, but it's very classical--it's classical Beethoven.

[stickitupyapipe]

@throwscats Oh my god. Nothing like a youtuber passing comments on someting they heard for the first time today.LOL.

A LOT OF MOZART IN IT??????? WTF are you on about????? This is Beethoven you retard, the greatest composer ever. The only thing this piece has in common with Mozart is that it is, .... MUSIC.

It´s also badly played BTW. A jew playing a nationalistic German composer? Don´t make me laugh.

[throwscats]

@stickitupyapipe Dude, I'm a classical pianist. You have no idea what you're talking about in regards to how many times I've listened to this. It does have Mozart in it, in that it has classical elements that Mozart uses frequently. Listen to his music, it's actually an obvious comparison.

Are you antisemitic or something? I don't like his playing, either, but who cares about him being Jewish?

Beethoven being the greatest is a matter of opinion, also, although I adore Beethoven.

[throwscats]

@stickitupyapipe Lastly, who trolls classical music on youtube? If you actually like music like this then I would assume you're intelligent or more refined than other people, but of course that's my mistake for making such an assumption, since clearly it doesn't always make a difference, as in your case.

[stickitupyapipe]

Yes, actually I´m very anti semitic, now that you ask. Actually, every one should be anti semitic, until the jew stops claiming he´s superior. By claiming to be gods chosen they place themselves above the rest of humanity. Semitic supremacy is just as bad as white supremacy or black supremacy. Or did I get that wrong?

[flicka196]

In school we had to read the score for this, and follow it, i got so lost at the cadenza cause the teacher didn't tell us what it was... XDD

[icelaikafreak]

just how long is ths concerto?

[flicka196]

15-20mins long all together

[CodyNelsonMusic]

How old is Gilels in this?

[MacMat667]

Cover your mouth with your hand

2. Make a wish

3.Close your hand (fist)

4. Hold your hand at heart for 5 seconds

5. Send this to 3 more videos

6. Tommorrow will be the best day ever

it actually worked

Money- you will find a wad of $200 in cash

Love- Your crush or lover will kiss you or ask you out

[sclyfes1212]

I saw this last night at the TSO, it had Radu Lupu live, I was left speechless for two hours after the performance.

[keelan111]

I now envy you for life

[lauritzpettersen]

Paavo Berglund is conducting

[Willemklassiek]

I found a good version of Beethoven Piano Concerto No. 3. But i cant post it, so this is how you'll find it:

go to:

M O N T E V E R D I . T V / R C O

and then navigate to 'watch movies'. Its the first one on the list.

Also, this christmas, on the 25th, there will be a live internet broadcast of the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra there.

You're all welcome ;).

Willem

[Grigoris80]

who 's conducting?

[LMJ314142]

I keep expecting it to go into the theme of the Emperor concerto.

[skinnymcgees]

He made a slight mistake straight after when he first came in with the scale passages, when he first plays the Ur motive (at 3:36). You can just hear an C and D clash when he hits it with his fifth finger in the right hand. I was just wondering whether anyone else noticed that...

[nburton85]

Yes you can just hear it can't you, whilst playing the octaves! No big deal though :p

[chrish12345]

a mistake ?? shock horror!!

[deandusk]

so ? :))

[etude12]

It gives us all hope!

[deandusk]

:)) indeed.. i kinda love them..

[etude12]

Do you play this- or another- Beethoven concerto? It's many times better than listening to someone else play! I love the Emperor too, especially the second movement- of course, so does everyone else, but it's a classic!

[gromit99]

especially the second movement of the Emperor?! surely its either especially the first or the third?! you have no idea...

(the second movement is still fantastic, but not as amazingly striking as the first or last, Beethoven at some his best!)

[etude12]

gromit99,

I do think that mvts. 1 and 3 are wonderfully energetic and enjoyable. To me, though, the 2nd mvt. feels so personal, introverted- like a window into Beethoven's character- and in playing it, one feels that one is speaking to him.

Advice: If my thoughts and emotions seem "wrong" to you, they are still my own.

In saying that, I am glad that you are passionate about what you like, but never correct anyone's reaction to a piece of music, no matter who you are.

[gromit99]

I have never ever tried to 'correct' someones reaction to music, as thats simply not possible. So i do apologize if it looked as if that was what i was attempting to do.

Incidently, assuming your a pianist, do you know many of the great slow movements of his sonatas, now theres something to talk about!

Oh, by the way, saying it feels like your speaking to him when playing, just a bit of a cliché? ;)

ps. i think Beethoven could correct your reaction to this piece! :D

[etude12]

I know the sonatas well and think they're terrific. That is irrelevant, however, unless you are really implying that the second mvts. of Beethoven's sonatas are better than in this concerto. Since you have demonstrated that you think you're an authority on Beethoven's mind, why wouldn't you presume to be a judge of his music?!

I don't know if it's a cliche or not- that's subjective. To me, it feels very special to play such a work, and if my opinion is shared, I know I'm not mad!

[gromit99]

Oh my god, seriously you might think you're not mad, but you almost certainly have some social disorder, have you considered mental help?

Please point out to me where I have demonstrated that I have authority (?!) on Beethoven's mind, and by the way yes i can presume to be a judge of his music, just as everyone can, including you my crazy friend.

Blimey, I try to have a sensible conversation about Beethoven and i find a deranged psycho, making ridiculous comments... get real ffs!

[etude12]

There was an ambiguity in your p.s., and I jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Sorry; I am just pissed off with the world right now, and I should really just grow up and keep to myself.

I agree totally with you- I hate myself, and don't blame you for thinking me insanely unreasonable.

At least we may part in agreement that Beethoven is wonderful, even if we differ in anything more specific.

[gromit99]

I can definately agree 100% that Beethoven is wonderful, and its great about how everyone differs between what they specifically like, it just seems our conversation went a bit too aggresively far!

And I don't think you should just keep to yourself, because how can my, or anyone elses opinion be better or 'correct' over yours?

But still, I think the most important thing is that we both love this music!

[Sim882]

This is a first movement concerto. The second is avg. The prelude to cadenza, cadenza + finale = perfection (even if gilels is not at his best here)

[portoxali]

Yeah exactly, I have also noticed it and not only in this passage, during next parts there seems to be other flaws as well, especially in the fifth part (at 1:51 and 5:25). My overall impression is not convincing with this interpretation and Gilels seems to be not in his best shape while playing this concerto and the orchestra sounds too weak for Beethoven.

[maxi937]

He's old mate

[mandyschulz]

ich mag barenboim-klemperer 1967 mit new philharmonic london

[cityboy63]

Does anyone kow when this was filmed?

[amyparking]

1984: exactly 50 years since he played it for the 1st time, under the button of the legendary Otto Klemperer

it is really smth to see him at 2.40, experiencing with such authenticity and intensity the orchestral intro he must've heard hundreds of times. he had a heart attack in 1981, and every concert since he truly played as if it was his last one. his recordings of this concerto with Szell, Masur etc are invariably superb, but this is the one for posterity

[istreba]

c'est tout simplement géant

[mathpianist93]

Gilels's golden tone combined with certain passages of the concerto (such as secondary theme) produce a POWERFUL effect.

[Elfinsafety]

Oh yes, Klassik! :) The one with Szell conducting the VPO. I think that was Gilels's Salzburg debut, and he played this concerto as his calling card.

The EMI studio recording of the Third concerto, again with Szell, is also excellent. But I agree the live Salzburg performance is unrivalled. (If anyone reading is interested, it was released by Orfeo. I don't know if it is still in print though).

p.s. Thanks Klassik for uploading this precious footage.

[Elfinsafety]

You can't go wrong with Gilels in Beethoven. He was pretty unsurpassed in this concerto (which he played a lot) :)

[smurfmanbob]

the conducter makes me laugh!

[robshelrobshel]

The conductor is Paavo Berglund - Gilels played with him in his later years. Grieg's Concerto from 1984 is a well-known video with this conductor.

[smurfmanbob]

i know that, its just...

doesn't matter.

The music is fantastic tho!

[robshelrobshel]

I understand. He is just "too expressive" at times. Seems like overdoing it a bit. The solution - close your eyes and enjoy the music - :) :) :)

[chad410]

clara has competition. thanks  so much for your posts. my first tape I bought at 14 whith pocket money was Gilels Brahms 2. I fell in love with the myhologcal aspects to his playing.........