Democracy in Pakistan: It's the feudalism stupid!

[asimqaumi]

raise ur voice against feudalism visit the website of awamofpakistan and take ur 1st step ..it is now or never

[nangamujra]

Solution, Land reforms. No military intervention any more. Fair and Free election. Totally independent judiciary. Pakistan will sky rocket.

[masoodpic]

ONLY .Gareeb Awam Party .zinda bad

no feudal rule .stop feudals in elections

NO Army they are the sons of feudal

we will take all the land from feudals

which musharaf not did in his govt

[amirali2]

only mqm

[BITUSAM]

Long Live Porkistan

[SilverPanther2312]

But all thanks to Musharraf, many Pakistanis went missing and their relatives were assaulted right in public when they protested. Human Rights organizations are cursing Musharraf for these crimes.

Massacre in FATA and Balochistan are also there.

One thing about Pakistani Army is that it has made a record of killing its own citizens.

I hope one shouldn't forget who Musharraf's formed PML-Q is, a party headed by Chaudhries of Gujrat, means feudals yet again.

[geoimmi]

Why didnt the land reforms carried out by ZA Bhutto in the 1970s curb the influence of the feudals.

It is admitted that there (feudals) influences over years has decreased.

[geomush]

listen immi, there is no person with sane mind who will ever defend or try to defend feudalism except feudals

i request you not to go there. i have been there..i have seen it...i have read about it..how poor people fell to feets of powerful..

when i said if a feudal puts a dog then that dog will be elected..the biradiri, the private jails..oppression of the weak

i expect more from you

[yahoovisitor]

To re-stable democracy in Pakistan politicians need to unite at one platform & control the inflation, instability, & unlawful actions becoming the cause of instability of a democratic govt,mostly taken over by the army.The Pak Constitution needs to be revised by a team of retired judges and senior barristers like Aitzaz Ahsan to remove the loop holes allowing misdoings to the rich class,giving equal right to survive to each & every Pakistani.Only then can democracy gain stability in Pakistan

[geomush]

will add 2 things

- crackpots like a ahsan are good for protesting and dancing in streets and that is their worth

- we can always start with people talking against feudalism and doing something against it

[Type59]

ALL the Soth Asia nations have criminals and corrupt politicians just read each nations domestic papers to see this.

[yahoovisitor]

At Pakistan fake inflation is created by violating the rule of supply & demand by hiding the every needs of life in huge stores. Similarly an industrialist imposes inflation making load shedding an issue & insisting on his production loss which he tries to recover by fake inflation imposed on low paid class. The Govt increases the rates of fuel and electricity for its lavishness and a common man pays for it. Ruling community does all its lavishness at the cost of a common low paid man.

[nangamujra]

The inflation is also created by too much money generation by private banks. Import export deficit. High oil prices etc.

[yahoovisitor]

Pakistani investor/industrialist is mercilessly throwing 85-90% of Pakistans National Wealth out to the foreign banks.Remaining 10-15% wealth in Pakistani banks is declared as the income and taxation is being done on its behalf. As a result of fake inflation created crushing a common man govt declares all protests as terrorism whereas main terrorist is 1st State Bank of Pakistan not stopping National Wealth from being thrown out and then the govt imposing unjust taxes to fill its empty stomach.

[Dargortheshadowlord]

America isn't a democracy, america is a polyarchy. And nobody is looking for democracy in pakistan they are looking for power and control.

[farah1111]

good points in this video

[huzefaq]

In rural Pakistan 5 percent of the population controls 66 percent of the land which is one of the most lopsided ownership divisions in South Asia. Winning elections depends on creating an alliance among landlords - often by spreading government favors - not by meeting the needs of average voters. As the whole political system is controlled by Feudals one person can't do anything, the only way is to unite and come out of it together by eucating and mutual protests agat it

[geomush]

thanks i agree with your views

[scimex1]

Take your point, it would only work if the army or any other form of autocracy, was benevolent, i.e. Malaysia, but in the Pakistan's case it isn't and it never has been.

[geomush]

Well relatively speaking it has been better than other form of govts (ayub abd now mush)..i do agree with you though as it reuires geniune commitment on their part.

that's my hope also..thanks

[scimex1]

I agree with everything you say, but I believe the Pakistani Diaspora, which numbers around 4 million, can affect change from outside. Together these 4 million earn as much in a year as the Pakistani govt does for the same period.

The Indians and the Chinese can do it why can't we?

[geomush]

nah..they are too busy fighting among themselves...different ethnicities hating eachother ..pulling each other's leg..

only army can get rid of feudal system and then create an even playing field..no other power on this earth can end feudalism in pakistan

thanks for your message

[geoimmi]

you contradicted yourself.the army has ruled pakistan for more than 30 years did any general tryied to finish this feudalistic system in pakistan.

general musharraf himself is surviving with the support of the feudals like the choudharys of gujarat.

[geomush]

that's the only thing that musharraf has not done in Pakistan ie. end fuedalism

i have said it in my video

i think it is extremely difficult as 80% of the Pakistan is feudal based and they have started to accept it as norm

[bazaik]

Mr Military secretary of mush .. its very clear that mush will leave soon, now you are too late... we were listening to mush propaganda since 1999..

[geomush]

hahaha! u have invaded my videos

anyway its ok with me

[geomush]

My suggestions

-Stop and fight such terrorist ideoology both by force and education and information and telling the uneducated people truth

- Catching criminals like OBL and AQEDA

- Solving world problems which these thugs are using as an excuse to promote their pseudo hatred ideology

[bashali321]

It is very unfortunate, every leader in pak is corrupt, Musharaf,Benazir, Nawaz, everyone. All these are the risk to existance of pakistan, specially this General, he can do anything, literally anything to save his rule. But I guess we deserve it, if dont then we should have thrown all these corrupt peopole into arabian ocean.

[geomush]

don't sound as if u r already in the arabian sea.

pakistan has improved a lot in last 8 years economically and socially. yes terrorism has increased but that is due to outisde situation and is not fault of current leadership.

Unfortunately chodary tried to act as executive and legislative leader of this country and he paid the price for that. Everyone should know their role.

thanks

[bashali321]

Dont you know whose war this general is fighting? and he is ruining whole nation in the name of terrorism. I agree there are some areas where Pakistan made progress, but it lost alot more than it gained. There is one simple rule of thumb, If america is supporting some ruler in the middle east or asia then simple means that this ruler is not good for that nation.and by the way I live where I can alot more than living in Pak, I live in US.

[geomush]

and yet you have no problem living in a that country.

I would urge you to respect that country where you are currently living or LEAVE. Enough of this dual nature hypocrisy.

UI don't believe in any conspiracy theories. It is the fault of extremists and terorrists that they did 911 and killed 4000 innocents and it is they who have caused increase in extremism not USA. Stop blaming others for your problems. Call it as it is

[geomush]

We should first look into ourselves and stop finding scapegoats. We have people among us who are BEHEADING PAKISTANIS. IS AMERICA RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ALSO?

Sunni killing shia, shia killing sunni, sunni killing shia. anything left? Every other person is an infidel in such people's eyes and is liable to death. They can behead/kill anyone after declaring them criminal.

Musharraf is doing an historic job not for US (Unites States) but for us (Pakistanis).

God bless him!

[geoimmi]

what about the other 60+ judges who were removed by mush because they thought it was illigitamate to take oath under the PCO because the constitution has been suspended.

every general who,s come to power has found some kind of scapecoat to prolong his rule.

musharraf is surviving with the support of the west.

his popularity has been reduced to an all time low.

[geomush]

Even this argument is wrong. If people like Immu are so concrned for "legality of judges" then why are they supporting Choodary, a PCO product.

Their argument of independence of judges is false as what they want is an "anti musharraf judge" regardless of the fact that whether he took oath under pco or did not

when people will use such tactics ..and when judges becomes political then you have to clean the slate sometimes..its a lesser evil

[geoimmi]

you need to get the facts straight.

when choudhary took oath under the PCO for the first time at that time the constitution was not suspended like after november 3.

i am not biased against musharraf.

i used to support his policies before 2007 like many other pepole.

[geomush]

in 1999

President Musharraf ordered all Supreme Court, Shari'at court, and provincial High Court justices to take an oath committing themselves to uphold the PCO, which suspended the Constitution and legislative bodies and prohibited the superior courts from making any decision against the Chief Executive "or any person exercising powers or jurisdiction under his authority."

[geomush]

Six Supreme Court justices, including the Chief Justice, and nine provincial High Court justices resigned in protest; however, 85 percent of the affected justices agreed to swear allegiance to the PCO. As a result of this decree, government directives and ordinances under the PCO no longer are subject to judicial review

[geomush]

In January 2000 Chief Executive General Musharraf dictated that all superior court judges swear a new oath under the PCO No.1 issued on October 15, 1999, which had suspended the Constitution of Pakistan. After swearing an oath on the PCO Justice Iftikhar was elevated to the Supreme Court on 4 February 2000.

[geomush]

BOTTOM LINE!

He is a PCO PRODUCT. BOTH PCO SUSPENDED THE CONSTITUTION

Imran will not tell you that

[geomush]

Importantly the Chief Justice took oath under the provisional constitutional order (PCO) that Musharraf introduced after taking power and suspending the constitution. Thus the CJ can hardly be considered a principled flagbearer of democracy

[geoimmi]

well when mush first came to power the whole nation accepted him only few judges resigned in protest this time 60% of the judges have refused to take oath under the PCO.

[geomush]

you passed on my point cleverly.

anyway i dont blame you as you have been brainwashed by imran's charm..its ok with me as you have your own views and i dont mind that

i only hope that people like you think rationally

[geomush]

Thanks to all the new comments!

Musharraf has to live these feudals as they can create havoc. Benazir, Shujaat, Nawaz Sharif..everyone you see there are people like these who are either feudals or land lords.

No one should demand "real democracy" in pakistan as there can never be a democracy until people elect their leaders freely.

[chakde26]

I am an Indian and I was once watching an interview with Musharaff, and he said that "a govt' can only facilitate social changes, if someone tries to bring sudden changes in the society, it will be a failure." and u knw what, hes right. To bring a true democracy, its gonna take time, but u have to start sometime!

[HammerSickle]

you know what is ment by FREE & FAIR ELECTION? yes maximum SAY of the people. you know what is the SAY of people? yes their BASIC RIGHTS.you know what are their BASIC RIGHTS: Guaranteed Bread, Cloth, Home, Health and Free Education FOR ALL.

Can any one of you show me with example these thing are possible through Captialist Economy.

[irfan786in]

Its unfortunate,Musharraf is making deal with one whom he has despised for 8 years, just to save his position. He is also Hypocrite like all other leaders. Shame on him.

[rokmyworld]

what was really unfortunate was that benazir and nawaz, were engaging in talks. Everyone knows how much they hated each other back then. Musharraf is the best option. And unlike Benazir, Nawaz, and anyone else, he didn't corrupt the nation.

[qwazy87]

capitalsim has been proven. and it ends up benefitting all. go study some economics. socialism failed. and cuba is not a very well of state. capitalism is the best option for pakistan to get out of pover in 20/30 years. look at india and china

[geomush]

i favor cap over socialism

socialism in pakistan would mean govt officails (who are always corrupt) controlling everything which is NOT good in country like pakistan. Socialism needs discipline and is too much dependent on character of ruling people as few control everything.

[ikyda1]

but you forgot US has got UN sanctions against the communist government in cuba, its not socialism fault but the capitialist who don't like the fact they can't make easy money off countries with socialist governaments

[geomush]

well i cant speak for US.

[pakiinlove]

The only solution to Pakistans problems are birth control and Socialism.The stste should own everything and the awam should share in its bounty.what we have now is Capitalist system that favours the few while the majority live in poverty.

[geomush]

socialism is pakistan will not work because STATE OWNING EVERYTHING MEANS FEUDALS LIKE BENAZIR AND NAWAZ OWNING EVERYTHING..AT LEAST IN CAPITALISM THERE ARE PRIVATE COMPANIES WHICH DO NOT HAVE MONOPLOY OF ONE PERSON LIKE THE UNEDUCATED, LOW CLASS FEUDALS!

[pakiinlove]

socialism in its true form provides for all from cradle to grave.Look at cuba!

[Annisa786]

i agree with u.......capitalism DOES favour the stupid rich who get richer by the day n it does injustice to the poor who get poorer by the day :-(

[pakiinlove]

Annisa786;I agree with you about socialism .How can we have social justice in Pakistan when the ppl in power even the law enforcers are corrupt.imran Khan has right party insaaf but we will see if ppl vote for him

[Annisa786]

n another thing....feudalism will not exist if Shariah comes in....because ppl will fear Allah n no-one will NOT dare 2 cross da limits set up by our Lord Almighty Allah!...we should work to stop it..bt i guess for ppl its better sed than done :'(

[Annisa786]

only way pak can be sorted out is by Allah's law - the Shariah!....extremists twist da shariah btw....Result - everyone will fear Allah, no-one will do bad things,no corruption,no women abuse,no crime,no-one will hav a black heart!....every1 peaceful n happy! - one day dis will happen inshAllah n i cant wait!!! :)

[geomush]

ok work for shariah in pakistan from UK.

Thanks!

[Annisa786]

r u being sarcastic with me?

[geomush]

yes

[irfan786in]

Then Geomush, now Mush days are almost outnumbered do you have any solution (idea)who could lead Pak, Some body has to run, right? Its unfortunate for Pak that there seems no one to lead.

Be prep to see Benazir soon.

[geomush]

This is just the beginning

Mush will not leave un till Pakistan is ready for "real democracy" and not the sham involving corrupts like nawaz and mma.

[Annisa786]

benazir did not do any good for pakistan..she ws corrupt jus like her daddy...like father like daughter....plz dont bring her back!

[geomush]

I will think about not bringing her back!

[Annisa786]

but why?!....u KNOW dat she hasnt done anything good for pakistan.....do u wana repeat history again?

[Annisa786]

(sorry i read ur comment wrong..plz delete the bottom one)

[geomush]

benazir is feudal

benazir is corrupt

benazir has mr 10% problem

benazir has feudal proble

only good thing about her is that she is against extremists. nawaz is all of the above and yet with extremists..

benazir better than nawaz

[LoveYouMQMDILSE]

Armay is also part of this FEUDALSIM, now thier family members are in Army, its not easy to take that land away from them. Well this is the only solution, now the whole nations has to join against with them.

Join MQM

Build the Country.

Build Pakistan

Go check out the Karachi the difference you can see.

GIA Mutthaida

GIA ALTAF

[geomush]

The last time i checked the topic was on FEUDALSIM!

Extremist Imran supporters somehow manage to fit MQM into everything.

[asher900]

MQM is a terrorism and fascist organization - mqm supporters are stupid if they still supporting Altaf nai even knowing about his crime history and his comment in India against creation of Pakistan was blunder and asking forgivness from hindus and shelter - why ?