Whenever I get into a discussion about religion, I like people to this video.
You'd be surprised how fast that can end a conversation when a Godnut realises where their religion might have come from. Suddenly, they have new things to discuss, rather than trying to push others down with their religion.
Thank you Philhellenes, you are their "savior". :D
I totally agree with every word to said. However if you look at the nature world you know that death is as natural as life. Death is normal. As intelligent human beings we have study nature and found this to be so. I can understand why human invented a religion for the sake of the bonding of his fellow humans and invent a story as your describe. Having not come from any religion, I know all my ancestors/family members/Pets no longer exists. I would like to believe in reincaration though !
@TheVidas24 One cannot think one is smart, and be correct. Being that he IS intelligent, naturally that must mean, he does not THINK he is intelligent. Physical appearance hardly factors here, so I think it'd be best if you just left. Your comment alone has given away that this argument is likely beyond your scope, not due entirely to a lack of ability to perceive it's many facets, but moreover a lack of willingness to.
DEWD, did you ever get totally drunk and go to goodwill and see this kid asleep on one of their couches and just walked up to him and started yelling at him??? I was that kid! Seriously, you look just like that drunk guy who woke me up. :O
In the beginning Man created order out of chaos by inventing God. Man imbued Gods with power over nature & the universe. Man crafted God as a parent, one with wisdom and authority. Man began to petition the powerful parent begging for things like children this was called prayer. This all seems from a dread of death and fear of the unknown. Science & Stoicism is the answer for me.
Brilliant, and too true. I cannot say enough how I love this theory/argument. I too have thought about starting a religion, but my conscience prevented me.
I agree that tell children they will go to hell is a vile case of child abuse. Surprisingly this case of abuse is not illegal, but religion is an institution protected by law, closely guarded by it's following. Things like circumcision(for none medical reasons) against the child will is grossly evil, the child should be put to sleep as well if it is to be done(Only for medical, religion reasons should be outlawed).
They are often pressured socially to do it, to fit in. This is disgusting.
Yes, making children believe they will go to hell is a huge case of child abuse. Although funny enough it is not illegal.
I agree with the war thing, I don't think it is solely divine right, that makes people hate people for long term. It could be easily done if our government encouraged the idea, which they did while we were at war, logically so, but if they continued the animosity then we would still hate Germans(Well most would).
@swissnor, agreed, but he is talking before all that.
The reason a person would want to start a religion are numerous such as control, power, money, sex, guidance to people because he or she feels people are on the wrong path for what ever reason, one may feel that ones people should become monotheists instead of polytheists, one may feel ones people need a purpose in life, or one felt one had a divine revelation and need to tell people about or convert people to ones thinking ect ect.
IM HAPPY FOR WATCHING THIS!!!!! YOU SHOWED ME THAT IM NOT ANGRY AT RELIGION ; IM JUST REAL! IM NOT ALONE THERE ARE MANY OF US THAT THINK THIS WAY! [ i was raised as catolic... and i realy cant take that, they all come to church with FULL STOMAC with there cars and they pray in silence while there are some people crying from hunger out there.... THATS EVIL!!! and they are asking god for LIFE FOR EVER isnt that sin?? why arent you happy with what you have now??]
Ive been scrolling through this guy's videos, and I cant believe it. This is everything ive ever tried to explain to people, but ive never been able to come up with the proper words for the proper explanation. This guy has done that. Hes summed up everything ive ever believed in slash said, and put it into his videos.
Excellent video. I just thought i'd mention that there are some examples of individuals making up religions for more greedy or sinister reasons such as John Frum (of the Cargo Cults), Joseph Smith and most incredibly devious of all Elron Hubbard.
1. You've based your idea on religion as a comfort for death is predicated on Christianity. Many religions, especially the Pagan ones that were the original religions, were concentrated on this world rather than the next.
2. You're just making crap up without any evidence; it's as if you're making up your own religion.
meditation is a way of self-training ourselves in many aspects of being, especially the entirety of 'attachment'. any mode of faith without a suggested form of self-discipline in understanding, is not worth a second of recognition. we are all responsible for how we feel, because that and that alone triggers our choices. if you can't deal with your baby that died, someone shouldn't have to lie to you to get you to straighten up. get over it or get out, that is life most truely.
The funniest thing is that, I am not religious. I understand how the world works and that there is no God, no Heaven, no Hell, no Afterlife. Yet everytime I go by my little kitchen in my apartment in Hong Kong I can't resist but to burn some incense for my Grandfather who passed away 2 years ago. I'm not quite sure why is that, really.
im gonna make up my own religion, commandment #1 all people have the right to bare arms and defend their lives and other lives by whatever means available.
#2 sex orgies are to be encouraged
#3 still thinking about that one and the rest of them
You gave kindness as an example for lying about the after life. The first people to do this were the liars. The generation that came after grew up believing the lies. In some way I feel sorry for the believers and indoctrination makes me sick. One of the big reasons for this lie is the Ego. What kings would ever think they were going to end? Then someone thought why not let the peasants think they can live on as well and by the way we can control them completely by doing so.
I also know death. So many times I wished for some coping mechanism, something like religion. Some crutch, something to believe other than having to except the cruel reality of life. You are right, this is a death cult and death is at the heart of it all. We as conscious beings can not and will never accept the realities of this life. In doing so we have changed our natural world and if you are going to change the natural world, why stop there? Why not also change the nature of man?
hey phil you nailled the coffin shut with just a few words in this vid, not one christian on this planet would know who jesus christ is with out that book and would never know him, that doesnt sound like thier (taa dahh!!!) god to me, jus sayin youd think this knowledge would be commin sence, hey christians its fire not magic lol
:3 agreed. I have yet to be presented with a situation in which I have to comfort somebody over the death of a family member or friend. I understand what you said, actually. Thanks.
But I get sick of all these zeitgeisters and conspiracy theorists that think that religion was masterfully devised purely with the intent of control; religion was poised to benefit a tribal foraging community in so many ways, both in peace and war.
What really scares me is the prospect of religiousity having been favored in individuals down the course of hundreds of thousands of years of homonid natural variation.
Thank you for elucidating how religion evolved and was not created as a sort of conspiracy to seize control of the masses. Of course like a snowball tumbling down a mountain slope once these religions had reached the level of sophistication and popularity institutions such as the Catholic Church used it for these ends; they'd be foolish not to (unless of course they had, ya know..morals)
Thank you that is what I was waiting for, the kindness, I have been in that very position you have described to many time. We do not have to believe in any religions nor does a religious person have the right to threaten us with damnation for not believing. I just want to see people us kindness and not hatred.
Nice video. Thought provoking. I personally would never lie to a person to comfort them. I can't explain why very well perhaps; it's an aversion to deception, I suppose. I'm not saying I'm a great person because of this. On the contrary, I'm sure a lot of people would say it makes me a horrid person. I'll deal with it. I have been around people grieving the loss of a loved one. I'd never offer them my unsolicited opinion, but if they were to ask, I'd tell the truth.
@pandurate I'm the same way, though I think I'd rather remain silent on the issue. I might say "Let's remember the good times" or "He'll always be around if we honor his memory," which is kind of true in a metaphorical way. I couldn't say "He's gone to a better place." Somehow, I think that would be worse. I wouldn't want to lie about something so important.
I really like your videos.....if someone dies, to my mind that is it. It is Darwin's "the fit one's survive". If a child died, I would not mention that to griefing parents. Religion is a lie as you have, quited rightly,pointed out.
I like your videos, you make some excellent points. In this one you touched upon dreams and how they may have been used as an excuse to frighten people into conforming to the evolving tribal religion. I would take it further. Having personally experienced 'lucid' dreams a number of times and previously believed them to be some sort of window into a 'higher' reality, I can now see how such an experience of one's subconscious mind could affect decisions made in the real world...
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For it is the height of vanity to claim that human beings are the source of truth. It is not unreasonable to suggest we are the source of our truth but how reasonable is it claim, empirically if you like, that a Zebra is Zebra because we say it is? By extension how is it reasonable to say that anything is what it is because we perceive it that way? In this respect Religions are modest in that they only claim that 'God' is the source of all truthes, God itself, in the end, being a symbol for life
@chiendeguerre I decided to block you when I saw, "Religions are modest in that they only claim that 'God' is the source of all truthes." I can ONLY assume you MUST be kidding, having a joke! All you have put is rhetorical, vapid. Also, you are slowly ramping up the insanity under a calculated veil of "reasonableness". That's slimy.
Could be wrong. If I am I apologise. But you're "style" is to bombard. I refuse to play.
@chiendeguerre I agree, it is the height of vanity to claim to be the source of truth - Just like Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, and countless others have done when claiming to reveal divine truth, claiming they speak for "god". Jesus even said he was truth itself. In contrast, those pursuing science are not claiming to be the source of truth, but merely uncovering what is already there using our limited scenes, our intelligent minds, and tools that extend our senses.
Philosophy acknowledges this and it is recognised, particularly in Islam, that we reach up to heaven, symbolically speaking with Philosophy and Heaven reaches down from where Philosophy cannot extend too due to the limitations of language and other human forms of communication. The beef I have with atheists is that they tend to be rationalists and empiricists and maintain that human perception is the measure of everything. In this respect they are even more conceited than religions
@chiendeguerre Perception comes through the senses. It is NOT reliable, but it's all we have. You are proposing belief (and the love of) something that cannot be perceived through sense. That's close to literal "nonsense". It is also "that with NO evidence", by your own reasoning. You suggest demoting perception in favour of emotions.
and they spread within a geographically limited region due to the interpretation of reality losing its validity as it meets other 'relatively' equal value systems. This is why Religions tend to have spiritual homes. The significant thing about the Judeo Christian traditions is that they all hinge on 'absolute truth', that is an ineffable reality that can only ever be alluded to, thus all religions that source from this are heavy with symbolism for something that cannot be expressed normally
and a pertinent factor is that most people cannot comprehend reasoned argument let alone philosophy and it is the essential purpose of religion to create and sustain 'community'. That is, to bring people, everyone in that community, together. This is our essential nature, human beings are social animals, we need communion. solitude leads to alienation and relative dysfunction. For this reason religions have been traditionally localised and originated within geographical specific regions
Everyone has an opinion on this subject, its meaning of life shit. What he seems to be suggesting is that Religion is a fantasy that comes about through necessity due to our having to endure suffering. In this respect it is true inasmuch that, as the religious sociologist Peter Berger points out in the Sacred Canopy, perceptual world models are humanities way of rationalising the incomprehensible reality that we are going to die, all of us. What he neglects though is that people need inspiration
I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. I would tell the truth. It might take me an hour, but I would tell them my philosophy of why it's OK for death to happen. I really do think that even if it's painful I would do that, but yes, if I didn't know any better I would tell them a lie.
It does make sense if you consider that until relatively recently, mortality played very heavily on peoples minds because of so many factors. Most of which are not prevelent
in modern society. Unless you live in certain parts of the world, of course.
@MagnusNielsenBewick you've got to be crazy. you gotta have a real need. you gotta sleep on your toes, when your on the street. you've got to be able to pick out the easy meat, with your eyes closed. then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight. you've got to strike when the moment is right, without thinking... you have to be trusted, by the people that you lied to. so that when they turn their backs on you, you'll get the chance to put the knife in.
@ivann198 Sometimes we have to make the mistake to learn the lesson. The "you" that you WERE made the mistake. The "you" NOW will not make the mistake again. So, in a loose sense, it was not the current "you" that was insensitive. Don't beat your (current) self up.
if we are talking about the most primitive religion forms, then i would think it started/happend for a bit diffrerent reasons. in most primitive societys (hunters and gatheres) the main cult object was animals. and only when society grew larger, religion became more death orientated. and i think the reason for that is basically fear. fear of not having control over things that are crucial tu you, in this case food. chasing wild animals is not always predictable, so what else can you do.
@UberLogic They're different. They are both con-tricks deliberately designed and created by conmen simply to make money and/or get power over people (and get some ladies to undress, probably). They APPEAL to some of the same instincts I described in the vid, but their origin is cold and calculated. I cannot choose who is the lower, Hubbard or Smith. To me they are both equally disgusting liars. I can forgive true mystics who had a genuine experience they couldn't explain, but not these creeps.
@philhellenes I completely agree - though I would also lump in every televangelist, stalin, hitler and anyone that promotes ignorance for profit or power
I don't know who Gstrike is but something is wrong with you....this guy is talking COMMON SENSE! WAKE UP!!! The very first Religion was WICCA.....All Religions stem out of that.... The reason that started had nothing to do what RELIGION is today. People need a code of conduct. A way of living. Some Control. Thats where Religion is today, ontrol of the people. The TV show TARZAN was trying to show us that. Remember the episode where Tarzan came upon a tribe that worship The God With The Mask!
Perhaps fortunately for me, I was told, by my parents, to my face, when I feared death, that that is it.
I realised that the only non-material thing about me is the sense of "being on or off" (binary sense), which is what a "soul" is. It does not carry any information whatsoever. All information about "you" is your body. The fact that it points to is that actually "matter is all that matters". The true sin is the common idea that material has something bad about it. Material is all there is!
Cavemen and women would certainly be able to feel sadness and loss of a loved one, intelligent animals like dogs do often so why not primitive apes or early humans?
As for the situation of pain and death; I'm young and have been in those situations, sometimes you can be obvious or vague and not hurt someone, by saying that 'things will get better' or even 'I don't know' or 'the person had a good life', etc... you don't always have to lie.
Its religions because you atheists are logical scientific thinkers and when you cant suss something out its dismiss it. Life is not like that there are elements you will never understand.
A lack of religion has been a pretty big problem also take Communism, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, PolPot, sadam Hussein all atheists and 170+ million people have dies as a result of communism, WW3 was also started because of this atheistic ideology with the cuban missile crisis. No religions involved there, but thats not mentioned its only religion.
Let me just get something clear here and i am talking about now, not what has happened hundreds of years ago. Islam is the problem, not all religions, Islam is a Cult and it was invented to take on and destroy the judeo christian religions. That is the middle east problem and the Islamic problem. Now taking islam out of the exquasion where are rligion causing problem and wars in the world now?
War are generaly fought for Cultural or Nationalistic reasons, not religious reasons.
@Soloman1001 Yeah right, and I suppose its nationalistic reasons why suicide bombers scream 'god is great' before they blow themselves and a load of innocent people to pieces. And I suppose Hitler just didn't like Jews, and thats why he tried to exterminate them. Your lack of understanding make me cringe.
If you rr-read my comment you will understand that i have covered islam, but for your benefit AGAIN!..
Well if you look at my hompage you will see what my beliefs are on that, your problem is that Islam is a Cult, a Politicaly Practised Cult, NOT a religion. Show me any other religions apart from the fake one of islam that is violent and that is Practised Politicaly as a Theocracy if you know what that means?
@Soloman1001 You don't seem to know what the word 'Religion' means? Allow me, it is the belief in god or gods. The Islamic god is Allah, therefore it is a religion by definition - ie NOT a cult. And if violence is what you want, may I suggest you go read a bible.
Cultism is different to Religion..the problem is you are ignorant, sorry to say, you just wrap everything into one parcel thats because your a bigot, atheists are. There are distinct differences with religions and cults, muslims love to hear you call what they have a religion, you are glorifying it without understanding what it is. Now, show me where christainity has been violent in the past 100 years. If you can do these things that i ask you will be the first.
@Soloman1001 You are the ignorant one. I've already given you the definition of a religion and the proof that Islam qualifies as one. You just choose not to accept it because it doesn't fit in your strangled little world.
Andrea Yates! Murdered her own children to save them from hell. Hows that for violence. You religion drove a mother to murder her own children. Hows that for violence. I await your excuses for this one.
A small child could do a 10 minute search to find out why and the many scholars know that islam isnt a religion. Islam has 2 main factors, a meteorite rock which they kiss and worship and a mass murdering paedophile, there nothing divine or holy about islam, its a Political Racist Hatte Cult, not a religion.
Now back t oreligion, Christianities vilence in the last 100 years, Go....
@Soloman1001 Yes and a child could look up the definition of 'religion' and understand something you seem incapable of. Are you that mentally crippled that you cant see that Islam qualifies as a religion?
And I've already given you an example of the violence Christianity is capable of inspiring. But again you just cant face it can you. Its as repugnant to you as it is to me.
Oh Know its a moron who has already showm me everthing less his brain, which i still want the evidence of because your so thick and moronic. Islam is a Cult, i dont have the rest of my life to beat you with the stupid stick. Religions you can leave Cults you cant.
Your an atheist right, well then you have more in common with religions that you think thicko, as Stalin, Mao, Hitler, PolPot, Sadam Hussein were all atheists and between them they killed millions.
I didnt think you could answer the christianities violence over the past 100 years, give it another go, atheist.
@Soloman1001 Atheist: "A belief that there are no gods". Yes I am an atheist. And as the definition I've provided for you shows, atheism is the rejection of theism, nothing more. There is no requirement if you're an atheist to go and murder everyone in the next town as was demanded by your god. So what if your list of psychopaths didn't believe in god and were atheist. They, like you, probably didn't believe in the tooth fairy either.
Jus tbecause you dont have a god or believe in one doesnt mean your not extremily bigoted o prejudiced against someone who does. Atheism is a belief principle usually expressed by thick fool like you. Atheism followed ideologies have cause more deaths in the last century than any other ideology, prove me wrong, clever boy.
Well there clearly is because all the most murderous and insane leaders of the last century were Atheists. and not religious extremists. With the exception of the satanic cult of islam show me where in the last 200 years where christianity or other religion have caused mass murder and genocide.
@Soloman1001 There is no reason to believe that Hitler was an atheist, and there is evidence that suggests he was in fact a Catholic. But even if he was one, so what? The absence of a belief is not moral philosophy.
Well his actions speak louder than words. Hitler sent thousands of catholic priests and religious teachers to the deaths camps, the Catholic church went to ruin under tne Nazis, he replaced the Crusifix in the churches with Swastikers and according to his close aid Albert Speer hitler disdained christianity.
@Soloman1001 ORly? Lets quote him then shall we "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."
Hitler, bloody thirsty animal, just like the inquisition, just like the god of the bible.
What are you talking about, i have just demostrated that hitler didnt follow the bible, dorgh, he disdained it, that'll be your little lot then and hitler being an atheist it pretty much common knowledge now with the people i discuss this with, its isnt refuted.
Hitler being an atheist is common knowledge? Yeah, among the people YOU talk with. Maybe you should get out and get some fresh air. Only among christian zealots is this even half-true, but then so are all the inquisition/crusade deniers and naysayers as well who like to play down the death toll and religious extremism that christianity has caused across the planet.
And i am still waiting for your religious genicdal atrocities of the last 100 years, i really want to read about these religious wars and horror, apart from islam that is..Go..
Why not look up the kinds of people who were behind the recent Yugoslav wars, and see if there isn't any religious inclinations behind the Chetniks, or maybe look up the religious views and held beliefs of 20th century fascists before and during the second world war? Nearly all of the fascists were catholics, prodestants, or orthodox christians, and anyway by asking someone to cite examples you're just trying to move the goal posts.
Millions of christians died under hitler aswell, so his actions showed something different and not a man who was fighting for christianity because all his actions go against christianity. Now if he wasnt fighting for christianity who was he fighting for? There is very little difference bewteen Nazism and Communism and Communism is an atheist ideology.
To be a christian, one must accept jesus into his heart right? Well Hitler never renounced jesus in any of his speeches or publications, and often said publicly how much he admired jesus. His motivation for killing the jews had nothing to do with communism at all (lol), but because he saw the jews as christ killers and destroyers of christian society (much like the crusaders).
Talk about Soloman1001s distortion of actual history. Ignore the evidence more.
Also your mention of the 'millions of christians' who died in the holocaust as being proof of Hitler being non-christian is false-information, since Hitler didn't kill them because they were christian; but because they were SLAVIC. You're not doing any real research, you're probably rehashing and copy-pasting from a biased, ahistorical, dishonest, politicized religious source.
I suppose then if muslims kill other muslims, it's not a religious war for islam then is it? Yeah right.
Ironically, the fact that 'making up' a religion is ludicrous, is one of the strongest arguments that the Bible was inspired by God. Why would Moses, impose such stringent laws on the people if he wanted them to follow him. It's illogical. You win man's favor by being kind to them, not imposing harsh laws and punishments. The same is true for Paul suffering so much for the sweet and liberating message he gave the people. Why would he willfully suffer so much for making up a religion?
Spiritual evolution and scientifically observing nature "SEASON" is an anarchistic world philosophy. I don't make anyone believe that we are a species on a pale blue dot with near infinite potential if we only work together for the health well being and longevity of our species within the nature of our planet and universe.
I think that this is an excellent video on how religion might start out. The scary thing is how twisted it may become over time, to the point where you have things like the witch-hunts and the Inquisition.
I think it's kind of like how you have a strange desire to poke fun at gullible people, and then when they believe you, you almost want to keep them in the dark and perhaps stretch the original sarcastic comment into a small lie. Except on a bigger scale with lots of supporting magic tricks.
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This is a fail on so Many levels, in the begining he mentioned Islam and obviousley from what was coming out of his mouth he has NEVER read anything about the history of Islam he's speaking out of pure ignorance, in pre-Islamic Arabia the people were ruthless, men used to bury their daughters alive and tribal warfare was the only way to settle things. And Islam came down to "comfort" them WTF? If that's the case then why is Islam viewed as so violent today
This video is about thoughts that may have happened 30-40 or even more than 100,000 years before Islam. The scene may have been replayed thousands of times in thousands of different tribes. Most viewers understood this. It's revealing that you did not.
@philhellenes I respect your opinion however it does not coincide with the documented history of islam or any of the 3 major abrahamic religions for that matter. and who can say for sure what the psychology was like 30-100,000 years ago i mean come on those were primative times and i doubt people living during the ice age were too worried about life after death
Islam was ONLY mentioned to show how religions can evolve from one another. Other than that, this video has nothing to do with Islam. As for cavemen not caring about dying themselves or being as saddened as we are by the death of a loved one, I couldn't disagree more, but I know I can't change your mind.
@gstrike79 Actually, man did worry abut death back then. They have found skeletal remains of early humans who were buried in ritualistic manor. The fact that they placed the bodies in certain positions and left them buried with their possessions shows that they believed in a form of afterlife. And I'm not talking about just human remains but also those of Homo sapiens and earlier.
@philhellenes why is this about changing my mind, i prefer to look at things from all angles whether it be secular or religious or even plain hatefull, the conclusion i come to after that does not and should not affect anyone around me,
@philhellenes and i can tell you from experience being from one of the most poor and primative countries on the face of the earth, the way they deal with death is totally different from the way we do in industrialized society, since there is not much modern medical treatment death is from illness or injury is fairly common and whether it be loved one or not they understand its inevitable, while most people try to avoid that fact
@gstrike79 i think pre islamic arabia was better than shittty islam,in pre islamic arabia the gods of the religion and jesus ,virgin mary all wer worshipped together,tht speak volumes abt tolerance in pre islamic arabia,plytheistic religiona hav always been more tolerant than intolerent monotheisms
I have spent some time thinking about why there are wars:
1) Religion (and other dogma)
2) To gain wealth
3) Overpopulation (lack of resources)
Recently the cost of war has gotten so high that item 2 is no longer a reason. Iraq tried to take over Kuwait but that was too expensive. I think everyone knows that, in this day and age, war will cost more than what you get.
This leaves items 1 & 3. The problem is that too many people do not know that we have a religion / overpopulation problem.
I would add one more thing- disagreement, though a ot of disagreements come from religion and the other things you mentioned they are not necesarily always connected
You put so well the thoughts that flow through the minds of so many of us that (in my case ) have a hard time capturing the point so precisely and with the same force it had as a thought. Well done.
Our intelligence, self-awareness and capacity for abstract thought is a two edged sword. We seem to need to find answers and some people are so desperate they will believe in anything, such as the ridiculous lizards of David Iche and the golden plates in Joseph Smith's hat.
If Ron Hubbard knew what he had started, would he tell everyone it was all made up? I'll bet even if he did, people would still believe in scientology.
"'Religion' in this sense is a source of income to parasites, and the natural ally of every form of oppression and exploitation" -Upton Sinclair (1917)
Phil, you're a genius, you've opened my eyes wider on many occasions and i feel as though you could be one of the few people in the world who need to be heard to make it a better place. i believe telling a parent of a deceased child the lies needed to comfort them falls into the realm of faith, not religion. faith can be a good thing but religion is corrupt as soon as it is uttered.
those last couple of minutes should go out to every major power in the world, so obvious yet overlooked by most.
Well, I think this is the start of it. But I also think it stems from people, yet without the scientific means to explain their own existence, grasping at straws to understand the world around them and validate their own importance in a universe that renders them small, fleeting and insignificant.
Wonderful video. I had thought about some of these things myself, but it really helped to have someone put together an intelligent argument in a video.
Very clear analysis how religions may have started! Combined with your other video which talks about how in earlier times people were very afraid of wild animals, etc, it seems to me that religion was a necessary crutch from the beginning of human society. Obviously, you and I think that it is not necessary anymore. However, how would you comfort such a person as you describe. What would you say to them if their child died and they asked why?
The naive me of 30,000 years ago would have made up anything, not knowing where it could lead. The me today would say, "Nobody knows", touch their hand, and let them just see that I care.
i forgot to add to my last comment...i love you man...you are awesome...my fav video on youtube is your's titled "what islam fears: laughter"...keep doing great vids
Let's reinvent the gods,
All the myths of the ages
Celebrate symbols from deep elder forests
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Whenever I get into a discussion about religion, I like people to this video.
You'd be surprised how fast that can end a conversation when a Godnut realises where their religion might have come from. Suddenly, they have new things to discuss, rather than trying to push others down with their religion.
Thank you Philhellenes, you are their "savior". :D
Jesus45U 1 month ago
Organised religion causes more negative than positive on our planet.
vmorgun 1 month ago
I totally agree with every word to said. However if you look at the nature world you know that death is as natural as life. Death is normal. As intelligent human beings we have study nature and found this to be so. I can understand why human invented a religion for the sake of the bonding of his fellow humans and invent a story as your describe. Having not come from any religion, I know all my ancestors/family members/Pets no longer exists. I would like to believe in reincaration though !
ikinmoore 2 months ago
again a good video ....thanks and well done !! and I get your point !
dooksization 3 months ago
lol he looks like rat,and he thinks he is smart
TheVidas24 3 months ago
@TheVidas24 One cannot think one is smart, and be correct. Being that he IS intelligent, naturally that must mean, he does not THINK he is intelligent. Physical appearance hardly factors here, so I think it'd be best if you just left. Your comment alone has given away that this argument is likely beyond your scope, not due entirely to a lack of ability to perceive it's many facets, but moreover a lack of willingness to.
JustAddLogic 3 months ago
DEWD, did you ever get totally drunk and go to goodwill and see this kid asleep on one of their couches and just walked up to him and started yelling at him??? I was that kid! Seriously, you look just like that drunk guy who woke me up. :O
SausageKitten 4 months ago
In the beginning Man created order out of chaos by inventing God. Man imbued Gods with power over nature & the universe. Man crafted God as a parent, one with wisdom and authority. Man began to petition the powerful parent begging for things like children this was called prayer. This all seems from a dread of death and fear of the unknown. Science & Stoicism is the answer for me.
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Brilliant, and too true. I cannot say enough how I love this theory/argument. I too have thought about starting a religion, but my conscience prevented me.
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Rioarri 5 months ago
I agree that tell children they will go to hell is a vile case of child abuse. Surprisingly this case of abuse is not illegal, but religion is an institution protected by law, closely guarded by it's following. Things like circumcision(for none medical reasons) against the child will is grossly evil, the child should be put to sleep as well if it is to be done(Only for medical, religion reasons should be outlawed).
They are often pressured socially to do it, to fit in. This is disgusting.
MrF23D 6 months ago
Yes, making children believe they will go to hell is a huge case of child abuse. Although funny enough it is not illegal.
I agree with the war thing, I don't think it is solely divine right, that makes people hate people for long term. It could be easily done if our government encouraged the idea, which they did while we were at war, logically so, but if they continued the animosity then we would still hate Germans(Well most would).
@swissnor, agreed, but he is talking before all that.
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sillygoose544 7 months ago
Wow so glad I watched this. Fantastic!
viiScorp 7 months ago
Did religion allowed for the advancement of scientific thoughts? And vice versa? Could one have existed without the other?
brizzight 7 months ago
One of your best Phil! Dont understand why it has so little views.
perisic10 8 months ago
The reason a person would want to start a religion are numerous such as control, power, money, sex, guidance to people because he or she feels people are on the wrong path for what ever reason, one may feel that ones people should become monotheists instead of polytheists, one may feel ones people need a purpose in life, or one felt one had a divine revelation and need to tell people about or convert people to ones thinking ect ect.
swissnor 8 months ago
Actually. Scientology...
n3rdm4n 9 months ago
You have a brilliant way of looking at things.
zwaynetska 9 months ago
I (an Atheist) don't comfort with th better place cliche. I just tell people to remember the good times they had with the deceased. That's it.
viczam9 10 months ago
Thank you for this.
My jumbled thoughts have been given context and order.
Kerouac0deciple 10 months ago
IM HAPPY FOR WATCHING THIS!!!!! YOU SHOWED ME THAT IM NOT ANGRY AT RELIGION ; IM JUST REAL! IM NOT ALONE THERE ARE MANY OF US THAT THINK THIS WAY! [ i was raised as catolic... and i realy cant take that, they all come to church with FULL STOMAC with there cars and they pray in silence while there are some people crying from hunger out there.... THATS EVIL!!! and they are asking god for LIFE FOR EVER isnt that sin?? why arent you happy with what you have now??]
2pacisgoDIamOJ 10 months ago
Ive been scrolling through this guy's videos, and I cant believe it. This is everything ive ever tried to explain to people, but ive never been able to come up with the proper words for the proper explanation. This guy has done that. Hes summed up everything ive ever believed in slash said, and put it into his videos.
DarthNehimis 10 months ago 2
Excellent video. I just thought i'd mention that there are some examples of individuals making up religions for more greedy or sinister reasons such as John Frum (of the Cargo Cults), Joseph Smith and most incredibly devious of all Elron Hubbard.
Thanks for all your videos.
mojopinnick 10 months ago
Excellent Vid Mate.
lfcscouser2010 11 months ago
Two big problems:
1. You've based your idea on religion as a comfort for death is predicated on Christianity. Many religions, especially the Pagan ones that were the original religions, were concentrated on this world rather than the next.
2. You're just making crap up without any evidence; it's as if you're making up your own religion.
Naiant 11 months ago
meditation is a way of self-training ourselves in many aspects of being, especially the entirety of 'attachment'. any mode of faith without a suggested form of self-discipline in understanding, is not worth a second of recognition. we are all responsible for how we feel, because that and that alone triggers our choices. if you can't deal with your baby that died, someone shouldn't have to lie to you to get you to straighten up. get over it or get out, that is life most truely.
thasupremeoverlord 11 months ago
The funniest thing is that, I am not religious. I understand how the world works and that there is no God, no Heaven, no Hell, no Afterlife. Yet everytime I go by my little kitchen in my apartment in Hong Kong I can't resist but to burn some incense for my Grandfather who passed away 2 years ago. I'm not quite sure why is that, really.
ImAnotherZang 11 months ago
This by far my favorite video. the points you make are amazing.
roypage2000 11 months ago
im gonna make up my own religion, commandment #1 all people have the right to bare arms and defend their lives and other lives by whatever means available.
#2 sex orgies are to be encouraged
#3 still thinking about that one and the rest of them
pccrybabyhater1 1 year ago
I'd like to believe it's oroiginally well-meaning, but increasingly I do think it's mainly about power. It's a shame.
Al1981X 1 year ago
"its not that i made anyone belive it, its that they wanted to belive. it they needed to belive it"
UjioSatashi 1 year ago
You gave kindness as an example for lying about the after life. The first people to do this were the liars. The generation that came after grew up believing the lies. In some way I feel sorry for the believers and indoctrination makes me sick. One of the big reasons for this lie is the Ego. What kings would ever think they were going to end? Then someone thought why not let the peasants think they can live on as well and by the way we can control them completely by doing so.
baxtar1963 1 year ago
I also know death. So many times I wished for some coping mechanism, something like religion. Some crutch, something to believe other than having to except the cruel reality of life. You are right, this is a death cult and death is at the heart of it all. We as conscious beings can not and will never accept the realities of this life. In doing so we have changed our natural world and if you are going to change the natural world, why stop there? Why not also change the nature of man?
thenatureinme 1 year ago
hey phil you nailled the coffin shut with just a few words in this vid, not one christian on this planet would know who jesus christ is with out that book and would never know him, that doesnt sound like thier (taa dahh!!!) god to me, jus sayin youd think this knowledge would be commin sence, hey christians its fire not magic lol
JWshark2012 1 year ago
I love this man. He's so eloquent and has such a soothing voice that it makes listening to him kind of addicting, like Neil Tyson.
MarvelsofaLifetime 1 year ago
great video. subscribing
mamushi72sai5575 1 year ago
:3 agreed. I have yet to be presented with a situation in which I have to comfort somebody over the death of a family member or friend. I understand what you said, actually. Thanks.
Gabrielusobscurus 1 year ago
Great Video man, I like the way you think!!
shandcunt 1 year ago
But I get sick of all these zeitgeisters and conspiracy theorists that think that religion was masterfully devised purely with the intent of control; religion was poised to benefit a tribal foraging community in so many ways, both in peace and war.
What really scares me is the prospect of religiousity having been favored in individuals down the course of hundreds of thousands of years of homonid natural variation.
WSilva832 1 year ago 2
Thank you for elucidating how religion evolved and was not created as a sort of conspiracy to seize control of the masses. Of course like a snowball tumbling down a mountain slope once these religions had reached the level of sophistication and popularity institutions such as the Catholic Church used it for these ends; they'd be foolish not to (unless of course they had, ya know..morals)
WSilva832 1 year ago
Very compelling. Thanks for this.
FlyingOverTr0ut 1 year ago
Thank you that is what I was waiting for, the kindness, I have been in that very position you have described to many time. We do not have to believe in any religions nor does a religious person have the right to threaten us with damnation for not believing. I just want to see people us kindness and not hatred.
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DesgWamrt 1 year ago
I love it how you blow all religon out of the water in every video you make and theyre all speachless.
EuroPowa 1 year ago
The movie "The Invention of Lying" touches on this point very well.
GrapplingIgnorance 1 year ago
@GrapplingIgnorance I was about to say the exact same thing. "How did you come to this knowlege?" "Because the man in the sky told me" XD
bryanncampbellca 1 year ago
Nice video. Thought provoking. I personally would never lie to a person to comfort them. I can't explain why very well perhaps; it's an aversion to deception, I suppose. I'm not saying I'm a great person because of this. On the contrary, I'm sure a lot of people would say it makes me a horrid person. I'll deal with it. I have been around people grieving the loss of a loved one. I'd never offer them my unsolicited opinion, but if they were to ask, I'd tell the truth.
pandurate 1 year ago
@pandurate I'm the same way, though I think I'd rather remain silent on the issue. I might say "Let's remember the good times" or "He'll always be around if we honor his memory," which is kind of true in a metaphorical way. I couldn't say "He's gone to a better place." Somehow, I think that would be worse. I wouldn't want to lie about something so important.
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I really like your videos.....if someone dies, to my mind that is it. It is Darwin's "the fit one's survive". If a child died, I would not mention that to griefing parents. Religion is a lie as you have, quited rightly,pointed out.
ikinmoore 1 year ago
I like your videos, you make some excellent points. In this one you touched upon dreams and how they may have been used as an excuse to frighten people into conforming to the evolving tribal religion. I would take it further. Having personally experienced 'lucid' dreams a number of times and previously believed them to be some sort of window into a 'higher' reality, I can now see how such an experience of one's subconscious mind could affect decisions made in the real world...
finlarg 1 year ago
Good Video...
CDX89treme 1 year ago
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For it is the height of vanity to claim that human beings are the source of truth. It is not unreasonable to suggest we are the source of our truth but how reasonable is it claim, empirically if you like, that a Zebra is Zebra because we say it is? By extension how is it reasonable to say that anything is what it is because we perceive it that way? In this respect Religions are modest in that they only claim that 'God' is the source of all truthes, God itself, in the end, being a symbol for life
chiendeguerre 1 year ago
@chiendeguerre I decided to block you when I saw, "Religions are modest in that they only claim that 'God' is the source of all truthes." I can ONLY assume you MUST be kidding, having a joke! All you have put is rhetorical, vapid. Also, you are slowly ramping up the insanity under a calculated veil of "reasonableness". That's slimy.
Could be wrong. If I am I apologise. But you're "style" is to bombard. I refuse to play.
philhellenes 1 year ago 21
@philhellenes Beautiful comeback. Congratulations on that. :D
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@chiendeguerre I agree, it is the height of vanity to claim to be the source of truth - Just like Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, and countless others have done when claiming to reveal divine truth, claiming they speak for "god". Jesus even said he was truth itself. In contrast, those pursuing science are not claiming to be the source of truth, but merely uncovering what is already there using our limited scenes, our intelligent minds, and tools that extend our senses.
Eventsbyresonance 3 months ago
Philosophy acknowledges this and it is recognised, particularly in Islam, that we reach up to heaven, symbolically speaking with Philosophy and Heaven reaches down from where Philosophy cannot extend too due to the limitations of language and other human forms of communication. The beef I have with atheists is that they tend to be rationalists and empiricists and maintain that human perception is the measure of everything. In this respect they are even more conceited than religions
chiendeguerre 1 year ago
@chiendeguerre Perception comes through the senses. It is NOT reliable, but it's all we have. You are proposing belief (and the love of) something that cannot be perceived through sense. That's close to literal "nonsense". It is also "that with NO evidence", by your own reasoning. You suggest demoting perception in favour of emotions.
Religion: "See my dragon?"
Atheist: "No."
Religion: "How CONCEITED!"
philhellenes 1 year ago 30
@philhellenes
I do tend to agree with you on this, but things gets muddled rather quickly.
What if we could not see the dragon with our natural senses ?
What if an infrared camera could see the "dragon" ?
Technically we would not be able to see it with *our* senses, so we borrow some from technology.
And then claim the senses as our own, it was our eyes that looked at the image on the camera, was it not ?
I wonder - Would the argument still be valid ?
Jesus45U 1 year ago
@philhellenes I'm going to start a religion.
ChangeOfPaceHiphop 3 weeks ago
and they spread within a geographically limited region due to the interpretation of reality losing its validity as it meets other 'relatively' equal value systems. This is why Religions tend to have spiritual homes. The significant thing about the Judeo Christian traditions is that they all hinge on 'absolute truth', that is an ineffable reality that can only ever be alluded to, thus all religions that source from this are heavy with symbolism for something that cannot be expressed normally
chiendeguerre 1 year ago
and a pertinent factor is that most people cannot comprehend reasoned argument let alone philosophy and it is the essential purpose of religion to create and sustain 'community'. That is, to bring people, everyone in that community, together. This is our essential nature, human beings are social animals, we need communion. solitude leads to alienation and relative dysfunction. For this reason religions have been traditionally localised and originated within geographical specific regions
chiendeguerre 1 year ago
Everyone has an opinion on this subject, its meaning of life shit. What he seems to be suggesting is that Religion is a fantasy that comes about through necessity due to our having to endure suffering. In this respect it is true inasmuch that, as the religious sociologist Peter Berger points out in the Sacred Canopy, perceptual world models are humanities way of rationalising the incomprehensible reality that we are going to die, all of us. What he neglects though is that people need inspiration
chiendeguerre 1 year ago
I'm a christian but I appreciate what this guy said
l33tpwnzord 1 year ago
I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. I would tell the truth. It might take me an hour, but I would tell them my philosophy of why it's OK for death to happen. I really do think that even if it's painful I would do that, but yes, if I didn't know any better I would tell them a lie.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
Hmmm.... This is a good hypothesis, but I think Meme Theory offers the best explanation for the development of religion in human societies.
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Check out Daniel Dennett's "Religion as a Natural Phenomenon" and Susan Blackmore's "THe Meme Machine".
NeroJoe83 1 year ago
It does make sense if you consider that until relatively recently, mortality played very heavily on peoples minds because of so many factors. Most of which are not prevelent
in modern society. Unless you live in certain parts of the world, of course.
git1958 1 year ago
To achieve power and control over people, why else?
MagnusNielsenBewick 1 year ago
@MagnusNielsenBewick you've got to be crazy. you gotta have a real need. you gotta sleep on your toes, when your on the street. you've got to be able to pick out the easy meat, with your eyes closed. then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight. you've got to strike when the moment is right, without thinking... you have to be trusted, by the people that you lied to. so that when they turn their backs on you, you'll get the chance to put the knife in.
frankiep1222 1 year ago
1:50 i didnt. and i regret it.
ivann198 1 year ago
@ivann198 Sometimes we have to make the mistake to learn the lesson. The "you" that you WERE made the mistake. The "you" NOW will not make the mistake again. So, in a loose sense, it was not the current "you" that was insensitive. Don't beat your (current) self up.
philhellenes 1 year ago 5
@philhellenes ...Question. Do you realize your(our) unity with Cosmos? :D
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abstract8moldova 1 year ago
if we are talking about the most primitive religion forms, then i would think it started/happend for a bit diffrerent reasons. in most primitive societys (hunters and gatheres) the main cult object was animals. and only when society grew larger, religion became more death orientated. and i think the reason for that is basically fear. fear of not having control over things that are crucial tu you, in this case food. chasing wild animals is not always predictable, so what else can you do.
GoblinasInShred 1 year ago
What about Scientology? Or in a similar way the Mormons?
UberLogic 1 year ago
@UberLogic They're different. They are both con-tricks deliberately designed and created by conmen simply to make money and/or get power over people (and get some ladies to undress, probably). They APPEAL to some of the same instincts I described in the vid, but their origin is cold and calculated. I cannot choose who is the lower, Hubbard or Smith. To me they are both equally disgusting liars. I can forgive true mystics who had a genuine experience they couldn't explain, but not these creeps.
philhellenes 1 year ago
@philhellenes I completely agree - though I would also lump in every televangelist, stalin, hitler and anyone that promotes ignorance for profit or power
UberLogic 1 year ago
im so glad i found you!
Abenkin 1 year ago
I don't know who Gstrike is but something is wrong with you....this guy is talking COMMON SENSE! WAKE UP!!! The very first Religion was WICCA.....All Religions stem out of that.... The reason that started had nothing to do what RELIGION is today. People need a code of conduct. A way of living. Some Control. Thats where Religion is today, ontrol of the people. The TV show TARZAN was trying to show us that. Remember the episode where Tarzan came upon a tribe that worship The God With The Mask!
VonVitto 1 year ago
All religion is mythology used to comfort people and explain the unexplainable. Its rediculous that anyone could be so gullible.
FarmerBrian57 1 year ago
Now this is an intelligent atheist video. Unlike so many of the ugly, juvenile videos made by violent little, onanistic teenage hooligans.
ThirdFaceofShiva 1 year ago
Have you seen the Ricky Gervais film 'The invention of lying'? I watched it last night and couldn't stop thinking of this video.
yookayman 1 year ago
Perhaps fortunately for me, I was told, by my parents, to my face, when I feared death, that that is it.
I realised that the only non-material thing about me is the sense of "being on or off" (binary sense), which is what a "soul" is. It does not carry any information whatsoever. All information about "you" is your body. The fact that it points to is that actually "matter is all that matters". The true sin is the common idea that material has something bad about it. Material is all there is!
LyriMetacurl 1 year ago
If one was to watch closely, one can see the spirit talking to Phil!
ProfessorPEARL 1 year ago
Responding to comments made above;
Cavemen and women would certainly be able to feel sadness and loss of a loved one, intelligent animals like dogs do often so why not primitive apes or early humans?
As for the situation of pain and death; I'm young and have been in those situations, sometimes you can be obvious or vague and not hurt someone, by saying that 'things will get better' or even 'I don't know' or 'the person had a good life', etc... you don't always have to lie.
AnheloScientia 1 year ago
Its religions because you atheists are logical scientific thinkers and when you cant suss something out its dismiss it. Life is not like that there are elements you will never understand.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
A lack of religion has been a pretty big problem also take Communism, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, PolPot, sadam Hussein all atheists and 170+ million people have dies as a result of communism, WW3 was also started because of this atheistic ideology with the cuban missile crisis. No religions involved there, but thats not mentioned its only religion.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
Let me just get something clear here and i am talking about now, not what has happened hundreds of years ago. Islam is the problem, not all religions, Islam is a Cult and it was invented to take on and destroy the judeo christian religions. That is the middle east problem and the Islamic problem. Now taking islam out of the exquasion where are rligion causing problem and wars in the world now?
War are generaly fought for Cultural or Nationalistic reasons, not religious reasons.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001 Yeah right, and I suppose its nationalistic reasons why suicide bombers scream 'god is great' before they blow themselves and a load of innocent people to pieces. And I suppose Hitler just didn't like Jews, and thats why he tried to exterminate them. Your lack of understanding make me cringe.
happyidiottalk 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
If you rr-read my comment you will understand that i have covered islam, but for your benefit AGAIN!..
Well if you look at my hompage you will see what my beliefs are on that, your problem is that Islam is a Cult, a Politicaly Practised Cult, NOT a religion. Show me any other religions apart from the fake one of islam that is violent and that is Practised Politicaly as a Theocracy if you know what that means?
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001 You don't seem to know what the word 'Religion' means? Allow me, it is the belief in god or gods. The Islamic god is Allah, therefore it is a religion by definition - ie NOT a cult. And if violence is what you want, may I suggest you go read a bible.
happyidiottalk 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
Cultism is different to Religion..the problem is you are ignorant, sorry to say, you just wrap everything into one parcel thats because your a bigot, atheists are. There are distinct differences with religions and cults, muslims love to hear you call what they have a religion, you are glorifying it without understanding what it is. Now, show me where christainity has been violent in the past 100 years. If you can do these things that i ask you will be the first.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001 You are the ignorant one. I've already given you the definition of a religion and the proof that Islam qualifies as one. You just choose not to accept it because it doesn't fit in your strangled little world.
Andrea Yates! Murdered her own children to save them from hell. Hows that for violence. You religion drove a mother to murder her own children. Hows that for violence. I await your excuses for this one.
happyidiottalk 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
A small child could do a 10 minute search to find out why and the many scholars know that islam isnt a religion. Islam has 2 main factors, a meteorite rock which they kiss and worship and a mass murdering paedophile, there nothing divine or holy about islam, its a Political Racist Hatte Cult, not a religion.
Now back t oreligion, Christianities vilence in the last 100 years, Go....
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001 Yes and a child could look up the definition of 'religion' and understand something you seem incapable of. Are you that mentally crippled that you cant see that Islam qualifies as a religion?
And I've already given you an example of the violence Christianity is capable of inspiring. But again you just cant face it can you. Its as repugnant to you as it is to me.
happyidiottalk 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
Oh Know its a moron who has already showm me everthing less his brain, which i still want the evidence of because your so thick and moronic. Islam is a Cult, i dont have the rest of my life to beat you with the stupid stick. Religions you can leave Cults you cant.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001 No, probably because you're too busy furiously beating yourself with it.
happyidiottalk 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
Your an atheist right, well then you have more in common with religions that you think thicko, as Stalin, Mao, Hitler, PolPot, Sadam Hussein were all atheists and between them they killed millions.
I didnt think you could answer the christianities violence over the past 100 years, give it another go, atheist.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001 Atheist: "A belief that there are no gods". Yes I am an atheist. And as the definition I've provided for you shows, atheism is the rejection of theism, nothing more. There is no requirement if you're an atheist to go and murder everyone in the next town as was demanded by your god. So what if your list of psychopaths didn't believe in god and were atheist. They, like you, probably didn't believe in the tooth fairy either.
happyidiottalk 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
Jus tbecause you dont have a god or believe in one doesnt mean your not extremily bigoted o prejudiced against someone who does. Atheism is a belief principle usually expressed by thick fool like you. Atheism followed ideologies have cause more deaths in the last century than any other ideology, prove me wrong, clever boy.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001 Thats rich coming from pond life like you.
happyidiottalk 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
Well there clearly is because all the most murderous and insane leaders of the last century were Atheists. and not religious extremists. With the exception of the satanic cult of islam show me where in the last 200 years where christianity or other religion have caused mass murder and genocide.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
Hitler was an atheist and he had a Cult.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001 There is no reason to believe that Hitler was an atheist, and there is evidence that suggests he was in fact a Catholic. But even if he was one, so what? The absence of a belief is not moral philosophy.
happyidiottalk 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
Well his actions speak louder than words. Hitler sent thousands of catholic priests and religious teachers to the deaths camps, the Catholic church went to ruin under tne Nazis, he replaced the Crusifix in the churches with Swastikers and according to his close aid Albert Speer hitler disdained christianity.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001 ORly? Lets quote him then shall we "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."
Hitler, bloody thirsty animal, just like the inquisition, just like the god of the bible.
happyidiottalk 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
What are you talking about, i have just demostrated that hitler didnt follow the bible, dorgh, he disdained it, that'll be your little lot then and hitler being an atheist it pretty much common knowledge now with the people i discuss this with, its isnt refuted.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001 No, you told me what you believe. Why would an atheist refer to himself as a "a Christian"?
happyidiottalk 1 year ago
@Soloman1001
Hitler being an atheist is common knowledge? Yeah, among the people YOU talk with. Maybe you should get out and get some fresh air. Only among christian zealots is this even half-true, but then so are all the inquisition/crusade deniers and naysayers as well who like to play down the death toll and religious extremism that christianity has caused across the planet.
AnheloScientia 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
And i am still waiting for your religious genicdal atrocities of the last 100 years, i really want to read about these religious wars and horror, apart from islam that is..Go..
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001
Why not look up the kinds of people who were behind the recent Yugoslav wars, and see if there isn't any religious inclinations behind the Chetniks, or maybe look up the religious views and held beliefs of 20th century fascists before and during the second world war? Nearly all of the fascists were catholics, prodestants, or orthodox christians, and anyway by asking someone to cite examples you're just trying to move the goal posts.
AnheloScientia 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
Millions of christians died under hitler aswell, so his actions showed something different and not a man who was fighting for christianity because all his actions go against christianity. Now if he wasnt fighting for christianity who was he fighting for? There is very little difference bewteen Nazism and Communism and Communism is an atheist ideology.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
@Soloman1001
To be a christian, one must accept jesus into his heart right? Well Hitler never renounced jesus in any of his speeches or publications, and often said publicly how much he admired jesus. His motivation for killing the jews had nothing to do with communism at all (lol), but because he saw the jews as christ killers and destroyers of christian society (much like the crusaders).
Talk about Soloman1001s distortion of actual history. Ignore the evidence more.
AnheloScientia 1 year ago
@Soloman1001
Also your mention of the 'millions of christians' who died in the holocaust as being proof of Hitler being non-christian is false-information, since Hitler didn't kill them because they were christian; but because they were SLAVIC. You're not doing any real research, you're probably rehashing and copy-pasting from a biased, ahistorical, dishonest, politicized religious source.
I suppose then if muslims kill other muslims, it's not a religious war for islam then is it? Yeah right.
AnheloScientia 1 year ago
@happyidiottalk
Islam is a false religion and a Politicaly practised cult ideology just like Nazism.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
Religion is another form of control.
camaro02girl 1 year ago
Ironically, the fact that 'making up' a religion is ludicrous, is one of the strongest arguments that the Bible was inspired by God. Why would Moses, impose such stringent laws on the people if he wanted them to follow him. It's illogical. You win man's favor by being kind to them, not imposing harsh laws and punishments. The same is true for Paul suffering so much for the sweet and liberating message he gave the people. Why would he willfully suffer so much for making up a religion?
TroddinSod 1 year ago
Spiritual evolution and scientifically observing nature "SEASON" is an anarchistic world philosophy. I don't make anyone believe that we are a species on a pale blue dot with near infinite potential if we only work together for the health well being and longevity of our species within the nature of our planet and universe.
wiscokiddd 1 year ago
You're the smartest person I know, and the only person I know (including family) that thinks the way I do.
Thanks for, well, being so awesome.
ErinNicoleisMe 1 year ago
I think that this is an excellent video on how religion might start out. The scary thing is how twisted it may become over time, to the point where you have things like the witch-hunts and the Inquisition.
Jesus45U 1 year ago
Great video thank you!
Xamaza 1 year ago
This is a great video. I am really glad you made this.
DjetGlea 1 year ago
the reptilians started religion to turn peoples attention away from them and towards "gods"
golickacat 1 year ago
Well it's simple.
I am the master, oh I bleed and die, I lost my power.
I am the master, I have power given by this statue, oh it breaks, i lost my power.
I am not the master, but I speak speak for him, he is invisible and can never be tested.
Now I can stay in power.
yubarraboo 1 year ago
Tell them "There will be no suffering after death".
As far as we know, it's true. But untestable.
anukefromrussia 1 year ago
I think it's kind of like how you have a strange desire to poke fun at gullible people, and then when they believe you, you almost want to keep them in the dark and perhaps stretch the original sarcastic comment into a small lie. Except on a bigger scale with lots of supporting magic tricks.
kaleidoscopicthought 1 year ago
I'm not saying I completely agree with you as I am Christian, but I do think that everyone should think about this.
YoDudeBabe77 1 year ago
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This is a fail on so Many levels, in the begining he mentioned Islam and obviousley from what was coming out of his mouth he has NEVER read anything about the history of Islam he's speaking out of pure ignorance, in pre-Islamic Arabia the people were ruthless, men used to bury their daughters alive and tribal warfare was the only way to settle things. And Islam came down to "comfort" them WTF? If that's the case then why is Islam viewed as so violent today
gstrike79 1 year ago
This video is about thoughts that may have happened 30-40 or even more than 100,000 years before Islam. The scene may have been replayed thousands of times in thousands of different tribes. Most viewers understood this. It's revealing that you did not.
philhellenes 1 year ago 7
@philhellenes I respect your opinion however it does not coincide with the documented history of islam or any of the 3 major abrahamic religions for that matter. and who can say for sure what the psychology was like 30-100,000 years ago i mean come on those were primative times and i doubt people living during the ice age were too worried about life after death
gstrike79 1 year ago
Islam was ONLY mentioned to show how religions can evolve from one another. Other than that, this video has nothing to do with Islam. As for cavemen not caring about dying themselves or being as saddened as we are by the death of a loved one, I couldn't disagree more, but I know I can't change your mind.
philhellenes 1 year ago
@gstrike79 Actually, man did worry abut death back then. They have found skeletal remains of early humans who were buried in ritualistic manor. The fact that they placed the bodies in certain positions and left them buried with their possessions shows that they believed in a form of afterlife. And I'm not talking about just human remains but also those of Homo sapiens and earlier.
terrylawson666 1 year ago
@philhellenes why is this about changing my mind, i prefer to look at things from all angles whether it be secular or religious or even plain hatefull, the conclusion i come to after that does not and should not affect anyone around me,
gstrike79 1 year ago
@philhellenes and i can tell you from experience being from one of the most poor and primative countries on the face of the earth, the way they deal with death is totally different from the way we do in industrialized society, since there is not much modern medical treatment death is from illness or injury is fairly common and whether it be loved one or not they understand its inevitable, while most people try to avoid that fact
gstrike79 1 year ago
he only mentioned Islam as an example to show how religions evolve from each other next time watch the video properly. Gosh.
YoDudeBabe77 1 year ago
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@gstrike79 These comments are a fail on so many levels. You're an idiot stfu & gtfo.
MajorDestruction 1 year ago
@gstrike79 i think pre islamic arabia was better than shittty islam,in pre islamic arabia the gods of the religion and jesus ,virgin mary all wer worshipped together,tht speak volumes abt tolerance in pre islamic arabia,plytheistic religiona hav always been more tolerant than intolerent monotheisms
thescorpionking2020 1 year ago
damn right phil!
goreziad 1 year ago
I have spent some time thinking about why there are wars:
1) Religion (and other dogma)
2) To gain wealth
3) Overpopulation (lack of resources)
Recently the cost of war has gotten so high that item 2 is no longer a reason. Iraq tried to take over Kuwait but that was too expensive. I think everyone knows that, in this day and age, war will cost more than what you get.
This leaves items 1 & 3. The problem is that too many people do not know that we have a religion / overpopulation problem.
WarmWeatherGuy 1 year ago
I would add one more thing- disagreement, though a ot of disagreements come from religion and the other things you mentioned they are not necesarily always connected
YoDudeBabe77 1 year ago
thats what i do mate believe what makes sense to me i dont belive everything though
MrBillyboy740 1 year ago
Look up the definition of → 'level headed'
There should be a picture of, Phil.
It's a divisive game these theists play (backed by their spurious Gospels)...
But we're Science, therefore make the rules. How can we lose?
Nice upload, btw!
deved143 1 year ago 6
You put so well the thoughts that flow through the minds of so many of us that (in my case ) have a hard time capturing the point so precisely and with the same force it had as a thought. Well done.
denisasitis 1 year ago
Don't lie to me Jack!
canerdc 1 year ago
Excellent train of thought, it rings true.
Our intelligence, self-awareness and capacity for abstract thought is a two edged sword. We seem to need to find answers and some people are so desperate they will believe in anything, such as the ridiculous lizards of David Iche and the golden plates in Joseph Smith's hat.
If Ron Hubbard knew what he had started, would he tell everyone it was all made up? I'll bet even if he did, people would still believe in scientology.
wordavee 1 year ago
"'Religion' in this sense is a source of income to parasites, and the natural ally of every form of oppression and exploitation" -Upton Sinclair (1917)
JustBusiness17 1 year ago 3
To manipulate a society and create a false escape that is entirely structured by the people they need to escape from
jeniusfighter 1 year ago
Reminds me of the movie "The Invention of Lying".
GrrricaPeace 1 year ago
Very well said :) and I agree with most of it, please take a look at my video Consider this I would like to have your thoughts on it.
TheRenekruse 1 year ago
That bit you said about it being obvious, and stemming from nature, etc.? I feel even better about being a Wiccan, now. XD
In all the more seriousness, thank you. It was such an inspiring video, and a great answer to a question even I had considered.
jadethevirginqueen 1 year ago
Phil, you're a genius, you've opened my eyes wider on many occasions and i feel as though you could be one of the few people in the world who need to be heard to make it a better place. i believe telling a parent of a deceased child the lies needed to comfort them falls into the realm of faith, not religion. faith can be a good thing but religion is corrupt as soon as it is uttered.
those last couple of minutes should go out to every major power in the world, so obvious yet overlooked by most.
HolySavant 1 year ago
Just to answer the question of the title: Maybe to keep people under control.
celticarchie 1 year ago
So someone sent you a pm asking you this question? Then you're the annointed one lol. Great job as usual in your analysis.
TheLawFulfilled 1 year ago
Well, I think this is the start of it. But I also think it stems from people, yet without the scientific means to explain their own existence, grasping at straws to understand the world around them and validate their own importance in a universe that renders them small, fleeting and insignificant.
PachucoDesigns 1 year ago
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omfg ... unsubscribed.
If I wanted to hear obvious things from a junkie type, I would go to train station...
Expected more !
RACOS666 1 year ago
Having a bad day? 1,000 channel views and no videos? I'm betting you just go around moaning.
philhellenes 1 year ago
Wonderful video. I had thought about some of these things myself, but it really helped to have someone put together an intelligent argument in a video.
Belloran24 1 year ago
Very clear analysis how religions may have started! Combined with your other video which talks about how in earlier times people were very afraid of wild animals, etc, it seems to me that religion was a necessary crutch from the beginning of human society. Obviously, you and I think that it is not necessary anymore. However, how would you comfort such a person as you describe. What would you say to them if their child died and they asked why?
vlasevmovement 1 year ago
The naive me of 30,000 years ago would have made up anything, not knowing where it could lead. The me today would say, "Nobody knows", touch their hand, and let them just see that I care.
philhellenes 1 year ago
thanks for this video man
chrisshwada 1 year ago
i forgot to add to my last comment...i love you man...you are awesome...my fav video on youtube is your's titled "what islam fears: laughter"...keep doing great vids
tab07 1 year ago 2
isnt that the whole story behind the movie invention of lying??? by the awesome ricky gervais
tab07 1 year ago
It is an awesome thing to not to be living in fear of imaginary beings. As always, enjoyed the video.
Shisho2k 1 year ago
Great video Phill...you always are the best to listen too.
graygryph 1 year ago