@teabag92887 I wrote my last comment months ago. I agree with you that if people want democracy, they should come out to protest or vote, especially young adults (don't depend on those old shitty dudes). I got nothing else to say. Frankly, I am very disappointed at those old brainless people who literally "killed" our democracy because of their stupidity.
I think that sometimes, only the old man knows clearly when and how to change course. The one who made the original design might have the right mind to update the design. Maybe, the old man tries to remove the deadlock before his leaving.
總辭 simulates referendum, which, in turn, approximates the probe for the 民意supporting universal suffrage (using the info. of all polls in 5 districts). So if 總辭 really happens, all of us MUST come to cast our votes, or else ...... it will not be a strong message to our gov.
Although this 總辭 will approximate the probe for the 民意supporting universal suffrage, it is different from a normal probe. In a normal probe, we won't face any unwanted consequences after answering questions. So, our unwanted consequences are (1) loss of any seats and (2) low participation rate. In sum, in this 總辭, please vote, everyone.....cast your vote = support 民主.
Even if the government does not consider this referrendum as a legitimate one, it is no doubt pan democrats have reflected the true desires of Hong Kong people.
It's so obviously 總辭 is not referendum. It's just a probe of the 民意. This is a bad propaganda. We all know that Parties vanished doesn't equal to the vanish of democracy. Socialists and communists all can honestly probe 民意without referendum.
It is a difficult issue, i.e. a paradox. yes, there is no guarantee that they can recap their seats by re-elections. and also yes, the resignation tactic seems to be the only way to show that HK people want universal suffrage. yes, no risks, no gains. My dam point is: Can we REALLY gain by RISKING all 5 seats ? If yes, go ahead; if no, pls back off for now.
In 總辭, if you lose, you are a soar loser forever !! The ONLY possible (95% will happen) way 總辭失敗 is that 民建聯 supporters' votes outnumber all of ours here. Any party (including 毓民) will get my 投的一票. I support 民主. But is that enough for us to win THIS ""hopefully we win b/c if we lose, we get fucked by 民建聯 big time"" BATTLE ? You tell me !
In 總辭 , I will vote for any 民主 party in my district. If 毓民 is in my district, I will support 毓民. I will not vote for 民建聯. In sum, I insist that 總辭 be our final resolution and be used wisely, not recklessly, by us.
comment on Mr. Ho's question of if the resignation will gain anything for demacracy. The answer is no one knows. But one thing for sure is that resignation is a new way to achieve the goal after trying the old ways for 20 years. You probably won't win if you try. But it's guarantee you won't win if you don't try, just like playing a poker game. Mr. Ho can reject the strategy if he has a better way to gain demacracy. Everything else is excuse.
毓民勁爆！
andymovieonline 11 months ago
連選佢地既選民都開口要求你地參加五區公投，你當時要諸多借口，最後轉軚支持政府方案 ...
auberia888 1 year ago
林生左仔扮民主！你要保証赢先去選？就由始到中都不要出來選
simonfu100 1 year ago
有否決權無通過權有撚用咩
moneycat2008 1 year ago
@teabag92887 I wrote my last comment months ago. I agree with you that if people want democracy, they should come out to protest or vote, especially young adults (don't depend on those old shitty dudes). I got nothing else to say. Frankly, I am very disappointed at those old brainless people who literally "killed" our democracy because of their stupidity.
jcklam2001 1 year ago
同意!
starguild 2 years ago
學人屌~成67咁~~民主如果好似學民主黨就死得人啦~民主黨做過d咩q野啊~64先上街~扮民主得個樣~~返屋企訓教啦你~~吊你老母西~講d野成個傻仔咁~~
brucelee9014 2 years ago
你成67咁 返屋企打飛機啦!!民主黨食屎啦~成隻烏龜咁~走得咁慢~~好撚似你個撚樣咁啊!!
brucelee9014 2 years ago
何俊仁講d陳道係有道理~不過唔係上上之計~五區公投先可以帶來香港一個轉變!!!
brucelee9014 2 years ago
主播幾靚仔bo 呵呵 五區公投 加油!!!
brucelee9014 2 years ago
何俊仁說用空間來抗爭，不過高鐡撥款時完全不見民主黨利用空間來抗爭，你們根本就沒有配合社民聯去推遲表決，叫人以後怎麽信你們啊？
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JackRay97 2 years ago
林公公真係好清楚香港人對錢果種重視
佢一講左補選要用1億5千萬
即刻個個都捉住呢樣野
話毓民佢地搞d野出黎晒納稅人o既錢
tin2009az 2 years ago 3
GOOD POINT < YU MAN
carltonlau2006 2 years ago 2
唉....如果呢個世界Ｄ嘢一定要成功先做, 我地真係乜嘢都無囉...高錕就一定唔可以攞諾貝爾囉....
calyim 2 years ago 4
高鐵又用幾多錢起呀...林生?
ivankc0926 2 years ago 3
高鐵用得多錢=公投用得少錢嗎?
banzaofking 2 years ago 5
蔣介石當年也留下精銳,以空間換時間.
可惜時不與他,天機一去,最終敗退台灣.
1997 到 2009 已經22 年,請問何俊仁香港的民主進程有什麼進展?
jagbox 2 years ago 2
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Your spouse has a lot to worry if you fail to get the job back after resignation. Who is to finance all the repayments?
MegaChiuchiu 2 years ago
I think that sometimes, only the old man knows clearly when and how to change course. The one who made the original design might have the right mind to update the design. Maybe, the old man tries to remove the deadlock before his leaving.
MegaChiuchiu 2 years ago
中大香港亞太研究所在11月24日至26日進行電話調查了786位18歲或以上的市民。52.3%受訪者表示沒有任何本港政黨能代表他們的利益.民建聯有10.1%.民建聯有10.1%.民主黨有9.2%. 公民黨和社民連分別以6.0%和2.7% 排名第三及第四
So, what are they up to with so low the follower rates?
Universal referendum? Are you kidding?
Why should they attract so much attention via media and cause the fuss?
Could they do better first?
MegaChiuchiu 2 years ago
林生連毓民不是民主黨都搞不清， 還學人phone-in
kalpakjian 2 years ago 2
總辭 simulates referendum, which, in turn, approximates the probe for the 民意supporting universal suffrage (using the info. of all polls in 5 districts). So if 總辭 really happens, all of us MUST come to cast our votes, or else ...... it will not be a strong message to our gov.
jcklam2001 2 years ago
Although this 總辭 will approximate the probe for the 民意supporting universal suffrage, it is different from a normal probe. In a normal probe, we won't face any unwanted consequences after answering questions. So, our unwanted consequences are (1) loss of any seats and (2) low participation rate. In sum, in this 總辭, please vote, everyone.....cast your vote = support 民主.
jcklam2001 2 years ago
Even if the government does not consider this referrendum as a legitimate one, it is no doubt pan democrats have reflected the true desires of Hong Kong people.
christophersollatido 2 years ago
different parties have different polls
and they would have different interpretations of the polls to support their stands
In fact, the statistical sampling is very small (~1000) which is not legitimate in my opinion
So, this reignation is a chance for all of us to join.
you worry about that 總辭 is not referendum
it depends on the attitude of people towards the election.
It doesn't matter if we create a good atmosphere
Honk Kong people are concious and know what they are doing.
christophersollatido 2 years ago
It's so obviously 總辭 is not referendum. It's just a probe of the 民意. This is a bad propaganda. We all know that Parties vanished doesn't equal to the vanish of democracy. Socialists and communists all can honestly probe 民意without referendum.
beancube2008 2 years ago
你地d所謂民主巨頭私底下傾好先指令白鴿黨去做, 人地梗係唔小你拉, 唔怪得華叔吵媽拆蟹
buffalo080529 2 years ago
林生! 全民公投就係代表民意. 你都可以選!
如果民主黨有市民支持, 有你呢個pk支持, 點會選唔返入去呀?!如果只有你林生!你呢個pk支持, 咁輸左你咪要認喇. 呢D先係民主呀. 林生!
hksuper 2 years ago
林生! 你支持"民主"?
林生! 民主你決定既咩?! 民主係我地市民多數的決定.
林生! 點解要保証民主黨"拍手口"拿回五席?!
如果你支持"民主"你就唔會咁講, 你只係支持"民主黨"不是支持"民主"!
hksuper 2 years ago
林生...你好撚on9 又無常識呀.....乜叫保証呀......小西都吾可以保証你有仔生啦..........,,,,,,,,,,,....on9佬......
jacky003142008 2 years ago
林生九成糸土共啦......
jacky003142008 2 years ago
It is a difficult issue, i.e. a paradox. yes, there is no guarantee that they can recap their seats by re-elections. and also yes, the resignation tactic seems to be the only way to show that HK people want universal suffrage. yes, no risks, no gains. My dam point is: Can we REALLY gain by RISKING all 5 seats ? If yes, go ahead; if no, pls back off for now.
jcklam2001 2 years ago
恕我問:
你食飯有幾多%/餐 肯定你食完之後, 唔會哽親..敏感.反胃..過度肥胖..致癌..心臟病..血管梗塞..便秘..瀉....and thousands of side-effect 至食落肚呢??
總辭失敗率衹有一個, 冇你投的一票!! 講完!!
vincidolphin 2 years ago
總辭 is not game......you cannot do it over again if you lose ..... if you get sick by food poison, you can always go see a doctor.
jcklam2001 2 years ago
In 總辭, if you lose, you are a soar loser forever !! The ONLY possible (95% will happen) way 總辭失敗 is that 民建聯 supporters' votes outnumber all of ours here. Any party (including 毓民) will get my 投的一票. I support 民主. But is that enough for us to win THIS ""hopefully we win b/c if we lose, we get fucked by 民建聯 big time"" BATTLE ? You tell me !
jcklam2001 2 years ago
In 總辭 , I will vote for any 民主 party in my district. If 毓民 is in my district, I will support 毓民. I will not vote for 民建聯. In sum, I insist that 總辭 be our final resolution and be used wisely, not recklessly, by us.
jcklam2001 2 years ago
林生可能又係五毛黨成員
supetsu 2 years ago
用1.5億換黎香港真民主, 比攞1.5億去 俾政治助理大有意義得多.
mua698 2 years ago 5
1.5億換真民主 我覺得值啊! 香港e家用萬幾億~政府用幾多錢幫助市民啊~~有左真民主~就唔會有咁多大財團玩哂~制度可以平均~如果要我用一生ge積蓄來換民主~我都會比!
brucelee9014 2 years ago
何生及他的前輩﹐用了20年﹐為民主爭取了甚麼﹖難道他們衷心相信﹕繼續在議會中﹐溫文的發表一下意見批評政府﹐搞搞絕食﹐參與遊行﹐政府就會給香港普選﹖！
bshoulder 2 years ago 4
其實沒有人知總辭了以後會怎麼樣, 但大家都知道如果不總辭就甚麼都沒有
Felix713 2 years ago 9
主持水準幾好喎
helennalee 2 years ago 2
好多大陸lo打電話上去9up, 好彩我移左民有兩個國籍
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raymeimei 2 years ago
20年又20年再20年2047年,
保能否決權,到2047年咁選你來幹嗎?
raymeimei 2 years ago 3
comment on Mr. Ho's question of if the resignation will gain anything for demacracy. The answer is no one knows. But one thing for sure is that resignation is a new way to achieve the goal after trying the old ways for 20 years. You probably won't win if you try. But it's guarantee you won't win if you don't try, just like playing a poker game. Mr. Ho can reject the strategy if he has a better way to gain demacracy. Everything else is excuse.
jimfee42 2 years ago
何俊仁食屎啦。講到在議會內幾艱難，又在議會內衝擊，又艱難地投反對票。以上所講的有幾艱難，民主黨又幾時在議會內衝擊過。民主黨食屎啦
ksmark 2 years ago 6
1.5億?????可以換黎香港民主, 揀直係底到爆la, 唔通攞1.5億去請d局長政治助理呀......一條咁既9屎高鐵都600億la......
galaxyswm 2 years ago 4
除左唔會請人食蛇之外，民主黨同民建聯有乜野分別？
khwbilly 2 years ago 4
民主黨，泛民中的保皇黨！
lamourdeDieu 2 years ago 3
林生 = on9
figoooo 2 years ago 2
何俊仁 is a fucking dumb ass. How can we have suck stupid person to be the president of 民主黨
joekkl 2 years ago 2
林生呢Ｄ咪係自私心態囉，
冇犧牲何來有進步！！！！
走去講錢，政府一個仙都唔會益你，
根本連個５區總辭都未知係乜就反對，
５區總辭就係要再選番去做一個變相公投呀嗎
aikencheng 2 years ago 6
林生應該唔多清楚個議會入面有幾唔公平。功能組別，分組點票，全部都損害民主。選返五個入去有咩用?最緊要係表示香港人要一個真正民主的議會。
jarjoy 2 years ago 4
咁林生又敢唔敢人頭擔保辭咗選唔返?
howtindog 2 years ago 4
林生 = 蠢
crazyfishfish999 2 years ago 5
林先生係愚民典型之一
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