have you noticed that hal sutton and many other pros and people spoke about hogan by calling him 'mr. hogan' because of how much respect they had for him? and here tiger woods calls him by his first name.. it just shows tiger's arrogance and how big his ego is.
Golf Machine enthusiasts are all about physics, analysis, and idealism, and nothing about freedom, enjoyment, and playing the game of golf in the fewest number of strokes.
tiger woods is a silver spoon, hogan dug it out of the dirt from poverty , woods is a ass clown whom I have no respect for no matter what he wins or achieves, everything in life was handed to him from his early beginnings to his money contracts. i hope he never plays again
Handed to him? Respect or not if you think that Tiger didn't earn what he has you have no idea about work ethic. Nobody who gets to that level just gets it handed to him. Your very confused.
he does have 70 wins ---you would say hogan was not self obsessed???common----if your saying hogan conducted himself better,had better character --i would agree
Hogan is documented numerous times specifically stating that he took the club back across his chest with his left arm. He was very adamant about it. He said many amateurs and even a few pros try taking it back with their right, but he said "you have to do it with your left." So what we have here is someone definitely projecting their own philosophy on to a film of a late great golfer. So be it. We see this everywhere now. Hogan's books, his videos, and his article quotes are really all we have.
You said it, satchmo. So many people have projected their own ideas in that way, filtering Hogan and altering him to "support" their own views (and making money along the way).
You certainly can take it back with your right (hand, elbow, etc.) and make a valid swing. But yes, absolutely Hogan didn't do that (as I said earlier). If you understand the golf swing you should be able to do both, be able to explain the pros and cons, and be able to demonstrate.
golf is all 80% the rest mechanics . If you let the body work the body you wont accomplish anyhting , . if you let the brain work the whole process you will. Thats the secret to golf. why do you think moe norman could hit every shot the same ./ yes he had a great plane to the ball but that is only because of his genius mind /. Its TRUE.
Have you even read Modern Fundementals.He didn't take his right arm back to orchestrate the back swing.Thats just an illusion caused by the angle of the camera.He moved the hands,forearms and shoulders and then turned the chest.
he actually preferred the fade because he had a terrible bout with the hooks...his stance is set up to prevent himself from hitting draws b/c he was afraid the draw would turn into a hook...its in his book
So wait, you're telling me it was Ben Hogan who said how important a flexible left index finger is to the golf swing and not some complete moron on youtube? Or did DocCrunch win the Masters? Which is it, you bloated moron?
Wait, you still haven't told me - did Ben Hogan talk about the importance of a flexible left index finger or did DocCrunch win the Masters? Which is it you bloated prick?
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Ben Hogan talks out of his chuff. Spent too much time wanking in my opinion. Rumour has it that he was caught with his cock out when he crashed his motor.
KOC, where did you find the footage of Hogan demonstrating the grip? Is there more where that came from? That is spectacular footage, for someone who is a student of Hogan's swing. Thank you.
I like the shape of Hogan's swing, but not all of the little quirks thrown in to prevent a hook. I'm trying to use a Hogan-esque swing SHAPE, but not all of the little anti-left additives.
Can be done, I believe. The basic fundamentals of coil, starting the downswing from the ground up, etc., still hold, and those are the things Hogan really articulated for good players. His anti-hook stuff was really a personal adjustment to basic fundamentals that should work for any reasonably athletic person.
Also, you look at what he says about the first move down--how important it is to start from the ground up, not the shoulders down--it's amazing to think how many players who say they're Hogan disciples actually dominate the swing with their shoulders, particularly at the change of direction. Hogan really didn't drag his arms and the club through impact with the shoulders; in fact, if you look at almost every DTL photo of him just before impact, his shoulders are still holding a fraction closed.
This idea that he only hit fades is wrong. He could hit a draw at will, or any shot shape he wanted. He just preferred the fade as it's more reliable.
homer kelley said that right forearm takeaway was the way he would do it! Now of course ben hogan did the same!!!!So many people using his name since he is dead to bullshit that he did it the way they are teaching!!fucking crap !!
TGM written by a man from a garage who could not play golf to any high degree.Right forearm takeaway = ben hogan single action wrist = ben hogan What a joke. Can any TGM person swing like Hogan NOPE . 24 components in a swing ask 10 tgm experts for an answer on hogan's swing and 10 different answers.Hogan was way beyond the inadequate structure of TGM
Said it before, will say it again: You've got 12-handicappers all over the Web spending endless hours discussing points that probably never would have entered the thoughts of somebody like Nicklaus, Snead, Woods, or even Hogan. Hogan was far less complicated a technician than people think; they project their own pet theories onto him. But if the golf swing were as complicated as these guys make it out to be, nobody could play for a living.
Nicklaus worked on about five things in his entire career. So is Woods. So did Snead. Really, so did Hogan. Yeah, it's possible to go into endless permutations on those fundamentals, but to what end? If these guys wanted the simplest version they could get, what are so many amateurs doing in these endless discussions about 291 positions of the swing?
if im not mistaken, hogan says he took the club away with his hands. he says that the hips and knees should only turn as they are pulled by the arms pulling the torso. this is what david orr is talkin bout. wen you say the man could not play i think your inaccurate. and even if he couldnt, that still doesnt mean he didnt kno what he was talkin about. tour players only need to know what works for them, not for everybody
Yep . Been waiting for the 24 components from the experts but after seeing their golf swings It cracks me up ..Just so unathletic.can you imagine these dimwits breaking 100 with the gear Hogan played with in a us open. I will agree that Hogan had educated hands
It makes me sick to have TGMer put words into Hogan's mouth. I refer to the right elbow takeaway verbage. You can make an effective swing using right elbow takeaway, but that is not what Hogan did in his swing.
have you noticed that hal sutton and many other pros and people spoke about hogan by calling him 'mr. hogan' because of how much respect they had for him? and here tiger woods calls him by his first name.. it just shows tiger's arrogance and how big his ego is.
AboutYourMac 1 year ago
I think he was talking about the length of the swing and nothing of the right forearm take away, just a thought......
golfball85 1 year ago
Golf Machine enthusiasts are all about physics, analysis, and idealism, and nothing about freedom, enjoyment, and playing the game of golf in the fewest number of strokes.
musicmusic909 2 years ago
hogan deserved to be viewed by himself, check the best lessons on the tube out at my channel and my swing of course best on the tube ; ) and thanks
hitmanhawky 2 years ago
tiger woods is a silver spoon, hogan dug it out of the dirt from poverty , woods is a ass clown whom I have no respect for no matter what he wins or achieves, everything in life was handed to him from his early beginnings to his money contracts. i hope he never plays again
hiltnerjeff 2 years ago
Handed to him? Respect or not if you think that Tiger didn't earn what he has you have no idea about work ethic. Nobody who gets to that level just gets it handed to him. Your very confused.
SpenceMo09 2 years ago 5
hey dumbass, every pro gets things handed to him. Especially when your the best golfer that ever lived!
godofgolf31 2 years ago
Tiger is the biggest self-obsessed, childish Jack-Off. He'll never be anywhere close to the stature of Hogan.
acershund 2 years ago 3
he does have 70 wins ---you would say hogan was not self obsessed???common----if your saying hogan conducted himself better,had better character --i would agree
ssttee333 2 years ago 3
i think tiger ment so say :ben unerstood his swing better than ill ever understand mine.... lol
lhwood777 2 years ago 6
@lhwood777 HAHAHA
twalter8895 1 year ago
Hogan is documented numerous times specifically stating that he took the club back across his chest with his left arm. He was very adamant about it. He said many amateurs and even a few pros try taking it back with their right, but he said "you have to do it with your left." So what we have here is someone definitely projecting their own philosophy on to a film of a late great golfer. So be it. We see this everywhere now. Hogan's books, his videos, and his article quotes are really all we have.
satchmo9 2 years ago
You said it, satchmo. So many people have projected their own ideas in that way, filtering Hogan and altering him to "support" their own views (and making money along the way).
emncaity 2 years ago 3
You certainly can take it back with your right (hand, elbow, etc.) and make a valid swing. But yes, absolutely Hogan didn't do that (as I said earlier). If you understand the golf swing you should be able to do both, be able to explain the pros and cons, and be able to demonstrate.
davidleealford 2 years ago
True...
cgasucks 2 years ago
moe norman was the best ball striker but hogan was the best player
MiuraUU 2 years ago
moe norman was an ass clown
golfswagga23 2 years ago
his right hand in the 1st part looks like a bird when he nestles his grip. i don't know about a hawk, but definitely a bird.
treelo74 2 years ago
golf is all 80% the rest mechanics . If you let the body work the body you wont accomplish anyhting , . if you let the brain work the whole process you will. Thats the secret to golf. why do you think moe norman could hit every shot the same ./ yes he had a great plane to the ball but that is only because of his genius mind /. Its TRUE.
SA2137 2 years ago
Have you even read Modern Fundementals.He didn't take his right arm back to orchestrate the back swing.Thats just an illusion caused by the angle of the camera.He moved the hands,forearms and shoulders and then turned the chest.
secrettogolf 2 years ago
the dude talking at 1:20 is completely clueless
B3rb3rian 2 years ago
That dude is david orr, and he knows a lot about the golf swing, and he has a great swing.
rgmmiller93 2 years ago
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it's ironic he died of a STROKE
qbb01 2 years ago
dude you dont joke about that
Gamble1011 2 years ago
I wasn't joking... just saying it was kind of a coincidence
qbb01 2 years ago
it's like steve irwin dying from a stingray instead of a croc
qbb01 2 years ago
or bobby fisher dieing at 64 the number of squares on a chess board
lhwood777 2 years ago
I think that is Mason Rudolf he is talking to in the 1 segment.I would love to hear what he is telling him about the right hand.
steviecom 2 years ago
he actually preferred the fade because he had a terrible bout with the hooks...his stance is set up to prevent himself from hitting draws b/c he was afraid the draw would turn into a hook...its in his book
devosooner 3 years ago
look at how flexible his left index finger is when he shows the grip (41 seconds into video) that is harder than it looks.
DocCrunch 3 years ago
It's amazing what completely ridiculous things people focus on in the golf swing. Left index finger flexibility? Seriously, dude...
mr3856a 3 years ago
yeah....when was your last masters win?......yeah thought so. Leave the genius comments to the winners......
beergut111 3 years ago
I'm sorry, DocCrunch won the Masters? Wow, I must have missed that.
Go drink more beer, dipshit.
mr3856a 3 years ago
dipshit...your the one making idiotic comments.....keep it up. its funnny stuff.
beergut111 3 years ago
So wait, you're telling me it was Ben Hogan who said how important a flexible left index finger is to the golf swing and not some complete moron on youtube? Or did DocCrunch win the Masters? Which is it, you bloated moron?
Go drink some more beer, you fat f*ck.
mr3856a 3 years ago
lol nice....i can see they cancelled school today.
beergut111 3 years ago
I accept your surrender.
mr3856a 3 years ago
whatever you gotta tell yourself kid.
beergut111 3 years ago
Wait, you still haven't told me - did Ben Hogan talk about the importance of a flexible left index finger or did DocCrunch win the Masters? Which is it you bloated prick?
I accept your surrender.
mr3856a 3 years ago
actually, it makes total sense
JCough2012 2 years ago
How?
mr3856a 2 years ago
create lag, stay loose and not tense up... kinda simple stuff
JCough2012 2 years ago
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Ben Hogan talks out of his chuff. Spent too much time wanking in my opinion. Rumour has it that he was caught with his cock out when he crashed his motor.
Deano1000000 3 years ago
you are a douche bag.....
lakotal 3 years ago
Is that good? Sounds like your one of them foreigners! American by any chance?
Deano1000000 3 years ago
Funny, your Mum told me last night that you were the accident when she caught a tramp with his cock out.
Noallegiance 3 years ago 4
Shoulders or lower body first? The lower body always moves the first, back or down, regardless of your intent. Either way can work.
Takeaway? Anyway!
The simplest way works the best!
golfprochen 3 years ago
KOC, where did you find the footage of Hogan demonstrating the grip? Is there more where that came from? That is spectacular footage, for someone who is a student of Hogan's swing. Thank you.
aedoue 3 years ago
It's from a film that he did when he was 65. It was not for public viewing. Do a search for Hawk Hogan and you should find it.
jwsmith000 3 years ago
I like the shape of Hogan's swing, but not all of the little quirks thrown in to prevent a hook. I'm trying to use a Hogan-esque swing SHAPE, but not all of the little anti-left additives.
jelqer 3 years ago
Can be done, I believe. The basic fundamentals of coil, starting the downswing from the ground up, etc., still hold, and those are the things Hogan really articulated for good players. His anti-hook stuff was really a personal adjustment to basic fundamentals that should work for any reasonably athletic person.
emncaity 3 years ago
Also, you look at what he says about the first move down--how important it is to start from the ground up, not the shoulders down--it's amazing to think how many players who say they're Hogan disciples actually dominate the swing with their shoulders, particularly at the change of direction. Hogan really didn't drag his arms and the club through impact with the shoulders; in fact, if you look at almost every DTL photo of him just before impact, his shoulders are still holding a fraction closed.
emncaity 3 years ago
This idea that he only hit fades is wrong. He could hit a draw at will, or any shot shape he wanted. He just preferred the fade as it's more reliable.
handsome175 3 years ago
homer kelley said that right forearm takeaway was the way he would do it! Now of course ben hogan did the same!!!!So many people using his name since he is dead to bullshit that he did it the way they are teaching!!fucking crap !!
benhoganfan 3 years ago
No need to use words such as "fxxking crap" here. The clip is made by me and it is my own opinion. You deserved your opinion and me too.
Hey, as a Hogan fan, i know and you know what he said about the takeaway...RFT is just what i perceived. Take it or leave it.
KOC 3 years ago
Really so when did Hogan talk about RFT?? why don't you list the 24 components in his swing so we can all have a good laugh
benhoganfan 3 years ago
I am sure you are not interested in TGM stuffs, but if you did, go to see Justin Tang in your country.
KOC 3 years ago
I press the wrong bottom...don't mean to remove your post. I did post my opinion in the forum anyway.
KOC 3 years ago
delete all of them if you want!! i'm still waiting for the 24 components
benhoganfan 3 years ago
Have that already!
KOC 3 years ago
don't see it !
benhoganfan 3 years ago
TGM written by a man from a garage who could not play golf to any high degree.Right forearm takeaway = ben hogan single action wrist = ben hogan What a joke. Can any TGM person swing like Hogan NOPE . 24 components in a swing ask 10 tgm experts for an answer on hogan's swing and 10 different answers.Hogan was way beyond the inadequate structure of TGM
benhoganfan 3 years ago
Well said.
Said it before, will say it again: You've got 12-handicappers all over the Web spending endless hours discussing points that probably never would have entered the thoughts of somebody like Nicklaus, Snead, Woods, or even Hogan. Hogan was far less complicated a technician than people think; they project their own pet theories onto him. But if the golf swing were as complicated as these guys make it out to be, nobody could play for a living.
emncaity 3 years ago
Nicklaus worked on about five things in his entire career. So is Woods. So did Snead. Really, so did Hogan. Yeah, it's possible to go into endless permutations on those fundamentals, but to what end? If these guys wanted the simplest version they could get, what are so many amateurs doing in these endless discussions about 291 positions of the swing?
emncaity 3 years ago
if im not mistaken, hogan says he took the club away with his hands. he says that the hips and knees should only turn as they are pulled by the arms pulling the torso. this is what david orr is talkin bout. wen you say the man could not play i think your inaccurate. and even if he couldnt, that still doesnt mean he didnt kno what he was talkin about. tour players only need to know what works for them, not for everybody
pecky1234 3 years ago
He didn't say right elbow or right forearm. TGMers have it all wrong on Hogan, largely because TGMers love the right dominant model.
davidleealford 2 years ago
Yep . Been waiting for the 24 components from the experts but after seeing their golf swings It cracks me up ..Just so unathletic.can you imagine these dimwits breaking 100 with the gear Hogan played with in a us open. I will agree that Hogan had educated hands
benhoganfan 2 years ago
i agree---fully and im a certified tgm guy---there are some good things but you are right ask 10 different tgm guys you get 10 different answers
ssttee333 3 years ago
It makes me sick to have TGMer put words into Hogan's mouth. I refer to the right elbow takeaway verbage. You can make an effective swing using right elbow takeaway, but that is not what Hogan did in his swing.
davidleealford 2 years ago
100% ole David Orr
cbball179 3 years ago
Can you guess? hehe
KOC 3 years ago
probably, but go on. hehe
pecky1234 3 years ago
David Orr?
pecky1234 3 years ago
whos that talking about RFT?
pecky1234 3 years ago