i don't believe or have faith in my senses. belief and faith are words commonly misused by the theist in arguments to make the atheist seem religious. i'm an atheist and i do not know "faith". i trust my senses because of their perfect (so far) track record of keeping me alive. my senses have earned that trust. faith is "knowledge" gained only through the virtue of said "knowledge". sound like a ridiculous concept? it is.
It's interesting that, in a backdoor sort of way, u have shown why salvation has to be arrived at by faith. However, there is evidence all around u, gleaned by the senses, yes. You can't be a shallow thinker, or a wishful thinker in the sense that u believe it to be as u wish it to be. If u claim to be a free thinker, you're not if u don't consider faith as essential to life itself. You have to look at evidence and reason it out through faith. Faith IS thinking. It IS reasoned. It's a choice.
My senses give me the information that they give me. It is reliable in the very real sense that it allows me not to walk out in front of a car. My senses prove day in and day out to be reliable on that basic level. This is not faith, any more than believing the sun will rise again tomorrow is faith. There is a history of results. This is not a statement that my senses give me all the information there is. They give me information I NEED to sustain my life, and the life of others. Its not faith.
Also Atheists do not talk about the Big Bang - nothing exploded and created time and space.
Where did the energy come from if nothing exploded? Where did the matter come from? Are matter and energy the same thing? Does that mean we are just energy (spirits, ghosts)?
I think if Atheists studied University level physics, instead of Arts subjects, the things they'd learn would shake their "faith".
Another thing I find interesting about atheists, is they base their anti religion arguments on Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution and related scientific evidence.
Wouldn't an omniscient being be able to set in motion a chain of events that led to the rise of an intelligent species through natural selection?
You are a very intelligent man. To the point where you even confuse yourself. With intelligence comes foolishness. You already know the truth. "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no Elohim (God)..." Psalm 14:1 The evidence is all around you every day. You just don't accept it because your heart is hard. Because of this we will all be without excuse.
And no our senses are not completely reliable. They can easily be manipulated by the spirit world in mind-blowing ways. I will pray for you.
So if we can't verify anything to be true because it would involve our senses as part of the verification, then I think that we can't be sure of anything, except that there is nothing. No god, no real ethics, no consistent, universal reality, and no truth.
Of course; we all have faith...in a sense, we have very little else when you strip it all down. But many folk are understandably repelled by that idea because of its religious associations.
We trust our senses for pragmatic reasons. If we would not trust them we would have no reason to get out of the bed (it is not dawn, the clock is not actually ringing, i'm not actually hungry etc) and we would die (unless of course we would be transported to the next level of the Matrix :))
I'm an atheist and I believe my senses are trustworthy (as long as a reasonable dose of skepticism is present too).
You also have no reason to believe it. We dont believe things because "theres no reason not to" - we believe things because theres a reason or evidence.
Everyone's failure to answer why they believe this proves my point.
I believe it because it is the default position. Can we all be in the matrix right now? Sure. But as there is no evidence of this, the default is believing that this is reality.
Before I give you an answer tell me your sign. I am thinking Leo, Cap or Aquarius but I can't really tell with just the head and neck shot. Then I can give you something to think about based on you and you alone.
"I believe that my senses give me reliable information about a real world"
yes, but ONLY if these informations are CONSISTENT. If not then you just try to find out why and looking for an explanation which you also need to perceive by your senses.
If you have faith in something then you think it's reliable no matter if consistent or not.
At the begining of this vid, you say "most atheists" claim "...all of their beliefs have some reason or evidence to back them up. This is false."
Really, most don't even have a "reason" or "evidence"? I don't think you stated what you meant.
I understand what you are trying to get at, except that your point is already taken into account in the basic definitions of "faith" and "proof"... otherwise, no one could even communicate these concepts pragmatically. What do you suggest better?
Reality is only that which you can sense... and without your senses you cannot determine what is real and what is not real. So based on this argument, you can pose another argument of "Do you believe in reality?". And you have to use your senses to base that answer, which is circular.
And if there is no reality, then your argument, and all other arguments, are invalid. Who cares?
And if what we perceive is not real, then you have no justification for any of your beliefs.
Thinking, however, does not rely on senses. "I think, therefore I am". If all of my reality is what I think, which by definition it is, then I am real. So for anything to be real at all would have to be based on my senses. If they are not, then there is no reality. If there is no reality, nothing matters.
So I am justified in my belief that reality exists because I can think.
So either my mind is real, or it is not real, it cannot be both at the same time.
So to believe in one is to not believe in the other. Either everything I sense is real, or it is not real. If in the end it is not real, then it doesnt matter in the end. If they turn out to be real, then I am justified.
our senses are undeniably unreliable. they dont represent the real world what so ever
there are: things too small for us to see, are sounds to low or high to hear. our eyes only have a certain number of light receptacles.
our senses give us anything buy reliable information to how the world is.
we cannot rely on our senses to give us an accurate view of the "real world" thats why we develop instruments to do jobs for us. we can only understand the world as human collectivity sees it.
My senses are reliable becuase they presented with the same stimulus, they give me the same reaction.
Accurate, on the other hand, not always so...but that is where, (when scientific data is not the best method), you can compare to other people. But you are correct, the human mind is set up to make assumptions, it does so hundreds of times a day, with or without forethought. If we had to wait, and prove every assumption, we would be paralyzed. But I do agree, some atheists can be snobbish.
i don't believe or have faith in my senses. belief and faith are words commonly misused by the theist in arguments to make the atheist seem religious. i'm an atheist and i do not know "faith". i trust my senses because of their perfect (so far) track record of keeping me alive. my senses have earned that trust. faith is "knowledge" gained only through the virtue of said "knowledge". sound like a ridiculous concept? it is.
steb413 1 month ago
It's interesting that, in a backdoor sort of way, u have shown why salvation has to be arrived at by faith. However, there is evidence all around u, gleaned by the senses, yes. You can't be a shallow thinker, or a wishful thinker in the sense that u believe it to be as u wish it to be. If u claim to be a free thinker, you're not if u don't consider faith as essential to life itself. You have to look at evidence and reason it out through faith. Faith IS thinking. It IS reasoned. It's a choice.
4GodSoLoves 7 months ago
I like how, in an attempt to make atheism seem illogical, religious people try to make atheism look like religion!
Nice try.
BlckSbthMan 9 months ago
If I have faith as an atheist, you have a habit of not smoking.
If I have faith as an atheist, then bald is a hair color.
SSBB12347 10 months ago
I think we are all in the matrix.
th0rium232 1 year ago
My senses give me the information that they give me. It is reliable in the very real sense that it allows me not to walk out in front of a car. My senses prove day in and day out to be reliable on that basic level. This is not faith, any more than believing the sun will rise again tomorrow is faith. There is a history of results. This is not a statement that my senses give me all the information there is. They give me information I NEED to sustain my life, and the life of others. Its not faith.
Jonobos 2 years ago
Not sure what the point he is trying to make is...
satx70 2 years ago
brilliant video thank you very much for this :)
Sophiethefembot 2 years ago
Also Atheists do not talk about the Big Bang - nothing exploded and created time and space.
Where did the energy come from if nothing exploded? Where did the matter come from? Are matter and energy the same thing? Does that mean we are just energy (spirits, ghosts)?
I think if Atheists studied University level physics, instead of Arts subjects, the things they'd learn would shake their "faith".
Slegarthoth 2 years ago
@Slegarthoth
Slegar if you studied physics AT ALL you would know that energy has always existed. It's called the law of conservation of energy.
PtH888999 1 year ago
Another thing I find interesting about atheists, is they base their anti religion arguments on Charles Darwin's Theory of Evolution and related scientific evidence.
Wouldn't an omniscient being be able to set in motion a chain of events that led to the rise of an intelligent species through natural selection?
Slegarthoth 2 years ago
You are a very intelligent man. To the point where you even confuse yourself. With intelligence comes foolishness. You already know the truth. "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no Elohim (God)..." Psalm 14:1 The evidence is all around you every day. You just don't accept it because your heart is hard. Because of this we will all be without excuse.
And no our senses are not completely reliable. They can easily be manipulated by the spirit world in mind-blowing ways. I will pray for you.
thelyyht 2 years ago
Elohim is Hebrew for "those who came from the sky." Also looking around you at nature does not prove god.
Boxcutter7 2 years ago
I study both Hebrew and Aramaic and Elohim means mightiest of the mighty ones in many instances throughout scripture.
thelyyht 2 years ago
@thelyyht
I don't want to be abrasive but i see no other way to get this point across.
You're not intelligent at all. To the point where you can't make a good argument.
PtH888999 1 year ago
So if we can't verify anything to be true because it would involve our senses as part of the verification, then I think that we can't be sure of anything, except that there is nothing. No god, no real ethics, no consistent, universal reality, and no truth.
billytankx 2 years ago
do you believe in good and righteousness
killersoundboy 2 years ago
perceptions without conceptions are blind
swingdocta 2 years ago
I hate to say this but your entire video is
Jiberish........
kerasea 2 years ago
Of course; we all have faith...in a sense, we have very little else when you strip it all down. But many folk are understandably repelled by that idea because of its religious associations.
What WILL we do?
lullingz
TWITfromURANUS 2 years ago
Thats not a good reason. That's like saying "we believe in santa because if we didnt we wouldnt be as excited about christmas"
logossfera, why do you believe it?
axiomtechx 2 years ago
We trust our senses for pragmatic reasons. If we would not trust them we would have no reason to get out of the bed (it is not dawn, the clock is not actually ringing, i'm not actually hungry etc) and we would die (unless of course we would be transported to the next level of the Matrix :))
I'm an atheist and I believe my senses are trustworthy (as long as a reasonable dose of skepticism is present too).
logossfera 2 years ago
I believe it because I have no reason to not believe it. If I did have a reason to not believe it, then I probably wouldn't.
JacobSpinney 2 years ago
You also have no reason to believe it. We dont believe things because "theres no reason not to" - we believe things because theres a reason or evidence.
Everyone's failure to answer why they believe this proves my point.
axiomtechx 2 years ago
I believe it because it is the default position. Can we all be in the matrix right now? Sure. But as there is no evidence of this, the default is believing that this is reality.
JacobSpinney 2 years ago
Before I give you an answer tell me your sign. I am thinking Leo, Cap or Aquarius but I can't really tell with just the head and neck shot. Then I can give you something to think about based on you and you alone.
thelyyht 2 years ago
"I believe that my senses give me reliable information about a real world"
yes, but ONLY if these informations are CONSISTENT. If not then you just try to find out why and looking for an explanation which you also need to perceive by your senses.
If you have faith in something then you think it's reliable no matter if consistent or not.
joshguitarTube 2 years ago
At the begining of this vid, you say "most atheists" claim "...all of their beliefs have some reason or evidence to back them up. This is false."
Really, most don't even have a "reason" or "evidence"? I don't think you stated what you meant.
I understand what you are trying to get at, except that your point is already taken into account in the basic definitions of "faith" and "proof"... otherwise, no one could even communicate these concepts pragmatically. What do you suggest better?
cchlaw 2 years ago
what
axiomtechx 2 years ago
If someone says:
"I don't believe things just based on faith"
or
"I require proof to believe something"
or
"I require evidence to believe something"
....what is YOUR suggestion to convey their thought or idea in a better way? i.e. WHAT WORDS are you suggesting they should be using instead?
cchlaw 2 years ago
Larrtu, that is based on your senses, therefore circular.
axiomtechx 2 years ago
Reality is only that which you can sense... and without your senses you cannot determine what is real and what is not real. So based on this argument, you can pose another argument of "Do you believe in reality?". And you have to use your senses to base that answer, which is circular.
And if there is no reality, then your argument, and all other arguments, are invalid. Who cares?
UnDeitized 2 years ago 2
I do
axiomtechx 2 years ago
And if what we perceive is not real, then you have no justification for any of your beliefs.
Thinking, however, does not rely on senses. "I think, therefore I am". If all of my reality is what I think, which by definition it is, then I am real. So for anything to be real at all would have to be based on my senses. If they are not, then there is no reality. If there is no reality, nothing matters.
So I am justified in my belief that reality exists because I can think.
UnDeitized 2 years ago 2
So either my mind is real, or it is not real, it cannot be both at the same time.
So to believe in one is to not believe in the other. Either everything I sense is real, or it is not real. If in the end it is not real, then it doesnt matter in the end. If they turn out to be real, then I am justified.
UnDeitized 2 years ago 2
I agree. If my own beliefs can be just as unjustifiable as my friends, how can anyone be certain what reality is? Reality is completely subjective.
If we did not have faith, people would have a fruitless existence.
I justify my faith by my existence. I choose go about my day with the foundation that I am living in a "reality".
If this is not reality and people's beliefs are circular, pretty much everyone is screwed over to what is credible and what is not.
Lacoux 2 years ago
our senses are undeniably unreliable. they dont represent the real world what so ever
there are: things too small for us to see, are sounds to low or high to hear. our eyes only have a certain number of light receptacles.
our senses give us anything buy reliable information to how the world is.
we cannot rely on our senses to give us an accurate view of the "real world" thats why we develop instruments to do jobs for us. we can only understand the world as human collectivity sees it.
Laartu 2 years ago
subscribe you weenies
axiomtechx 2 years ago
This is very good. I can't recall a time that I've ever had to think so deeply about such a trivial thing.
LtDonny 2 years ago
Interesting vid...I have yet to see any other atheists acknowledge what you have on youtube.
antipelagian 2 years ago
My senses are reliable becuase they presented with the same stimulus, they give me the same reaction.
Accurate, on the other hand, not always so...but that is where, (when scientific data is not the best method), you can compare to other people. But you are correct, the human mind is set up to make assumptions, it does so hundreds of times a day, with or without forethought. If we had to wait, and prove every assumption, we would be paralyzed. But I do agree, some atheists can be snobbish.
mtlsoul 2 years ago