I think you have Libertarianism confused with anarchism. Or maybe the extreme extreme libertarians. Libertarians like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson wouldn't go as far as to say that there shouldn't be laws protecting children from having sex with adults, nor would they have a problem with copyright laws.
@BenHughesStudios Maybe.. but Ron Paul definitely wants to repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act. He basically wants "Voluntary Integration" .. like people who are racists want to voluntarily integrate with their worst "nightmares". On top of that this racism gets passed down through families, cultures, societies, etc. It's hard to not be racist when all your life you were living in a bubble. Also giving business owners property rights that they can use to discriminate against others.
@BenHughesStudios I understand if a business owner wants to kick someone out of his store if they are causing trouble. But to say "Oh well he is black" or "Oh he is white" or "Oh he is chinese" etc etc, "Therefore I want him out of my store immediately", is proposterous. Owners have property rights if it's reasonable to have them, not to abuse the "absolute" form of these rights without restrictions.
@BenHughesStudios On top of that, on the copyright laws note, they would actually be supported by most libertarians as they protect an individuals right to his/her intellectual property (which is property that does belong to the individual)
@ariarmstrong As a rational thinker, I am not "anti-state" or "anti-government." I'm against the initiation of force which the government requires to exist in the first place, even if it's only threats of force for not giving the government a percentage of your money.
"They're not for building up this strong system to protect individual rights, they're more against the government." I don't see how those are mutually exclusive, especially when governments deny individual rights.
@ariarmstrong I know a great deal about libertarianism thank you :) Milton Friedman is one of the less radical ones, and a personal favorite. To bad he's dead.
@fab006 Yes, it's called recognizing negative externalities. Negative externalities infringe natural rights. This was the limited role of government Friedman saw, handling negative externalities only if the government could do a better job than the private sector. He usually argued that the government could not do a better job.
@mattrferr I became frustrated reading "Capitalism and Freedom" with the ease with which he gives government the right to take from some and give to others to solve alleged "externalities". A principled defender of individual rights does not argue this way.
@fab006 Perhaps you're better read on this then me. I'm fairly young and am tackling an engineering degree along with an interest in Spanish and German. I haven't had time to read Hayek, Friedman, and others as I would like to. I lean strongly towards a negative income tax and only an income tax. My view is that the government should institute a flat tax and give every tax payer, rich or poor, a small monthly allowance. This is not pure libertarian because it is theft by the government.
You're saying that libertarians work ultimately against liberty because they want smaller government. Most libertarians, including the prominent Milton Friedman, would agree that this is the one and ONLY purpose of government: To protect individual rights. I'm a little confused on your reasoning.
He's a statist, this guy has never understood individual vs the myth of the state. Oh by the way, that guy wants the state to step in to abolish child molestation. I wonder how's that working out so far.
I think you have Libertarianism confused with anarchism. Or maybe the extreme extreme libertarians. Libertarians like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson wouldn't go as far as to say that there shouldn't be laws protecting children from having sex with adults, nor would they have a problem with copyright laws.
BenHughesStudios 1 month ago
@BenHughesStudios Maybe.. but Ron Paul definitely wants to repeal the 1964 Civil Rights Act. He basically wants "Voluntary Integration" .. like people who are racists want to voluntarily integrate with their worst "nightmares". On top of that this racism gets passed down through families, cultures, societies, etc. It's hard to not be racist when all your life you were living in a bubble. Also giving business owners property rights that they can use to discriminate against others.
FearedBliss 1 month ago
@BenHughesStudios I understand if a business owner wants to kick someone out of his store if they are causing trouble. But to say "Oh well he is black" or "Oh he is white" or "Oh he is chinese" etc etc, "Therefore I want him out of my store immediately", is proposterous. Owners have property rights if it's reasonable to have them, not to abuse the "absolute" form of these rights without restrictions.
FearedBliss 1 month ago
@BenHughesStudios On top of that, on the copyright laws note, they would actually be supported by most libertarians as they protect an individuals right to his/her intellectual property (which is property that does belong to the individual)
saifoda 2 days ago
Horrible.
call4fire23 2 months ago
@call4fire23 Would you care to be a bit more explicit? If you have an actual argument, feel free to make it.
ariarmstrong 2 months ago
@ariarmstrong As a rational thinker, I am not "anti-state" or "anti-government." I'm against the initiation of force which the government requires to exist in the first place, even if it's only threats of force for not giving the government a percentage of your money.
"They're not for building up this strong system to protect individual rights, they're more against the government." I don't see how those are mutually exclusive, especially when governments deny individual rights.
andrewh817 1 month ago
EVERYTHING, I have learned about libertarianism is that the governments role is to protect individual rights.
mattrferr 2 months ago
@mattrferr Clearly you have not yet learned much about libertarianism. I encourage you to do so.
ariarmstrong 2 months ago
@ariarmstrong I know a great deal about libertarianism thank you :) Milton Friedman is one of the less radical ones, and a personal favorite. To bad he's dead.
mattrferr 2 months ago
@mattrferr Milton Friedman a defender of individual rights...?
fab006 1 month ago
@fab006 Yes, it's called recognizing negative externalities. Negative externalities infringe natural rights. This was the limited role of government Friedman saw, handling negative externalities only if the government could do a better job than the private sector. He usually argued that the government could not do a better job.
mattrferr 1 month ago
@mattrferr I became frustrated reading "Capitalism and Freedom" with the ease with which he gives government the right to take from some and give to others to solve alleged "externalities". A principled defender of individual rights does not argue this way.
fab006 1 month ago
@fab006 Perhaps you're better read on this then me. I'm fairly young and am tackling an engineering degree along with an interest in Spanish and German. I haven't had time to read Hayek, Friedman, and others as I would like to. I lean strongly towards a negative income tax and only an income tax. My view is that the government should institute a flat tax and give every tax payer, rich or poor, a small monthly allowance. This is not pure libertarian because it is theft by the government.
mattrferr 1 month ago
You're saying that libertarians work ultimately against liberty because they want smaller government. Most libertarians, including the prominent Milton Friedman, would agree that this is the one and ONLY purpose of government: To protect individual rights. I'm a little confused on your reasoning.
ghostcaptn 8 months ago
Excellent statement.
jwoodswce 9 months ago
He's a statist, this guy has never understood individual vs the myth of the state. Oh by the way, that guy wants the state to step in to abolish child molestation. I wonder how's that working out so far.
flynn2008 9 months ago
That government is best which governs least.
arcoles4 9 months ago 7
What are you then?
denverjeffrey 9 months ago
@denverjeffrey I think he is an Objectivist.
lashkaretoiba 9 months ago