Who Killed Noam Chomsky?

[tehkoalainsurgency]

Journalism in Venezuela is a joke, especially from that channel. Sometimes they are worse than Faux News. They're tacky, awkward and filled with sensationalism. It shouldn't be taken seriously. What we're watching isn't even news, this is like exploiting what Sarah Palin said about Russia and foreign relations (trivial). In Venezuela they will use anything (legitimate or not) to discredit or boycott Chavez' democratically elected government. Es una desgracia ver a tanto Hispano vende-patria.

[timetochilli]

@tehkoalainsurgency is this the channel that hates chavez

[knowthetruth1492]

ACCORDING TO THE REPORTER, THE NEW YORK TIMES KILLED NOAM CHOMPSKY.

[5iF3R]

Chavez is an exentric leader, but who cares! The people have chosen him to lead them, thats all that is important!

[MedusaObscena]

Are you non-spanish speakers or only imbeciles? Chávez was not talking about Chomsky, he was really talking about John K. Gailbraight, who is actually dead. Learn spanish, improve your reading comprehension, or just kill yourselves, stupid assholes!

[DrCruel]

Incidentally, in case anyone is still confused:

Noam Chomsky is still alive. Just another case of the Leftists lying, as usual.

[RadioReporter01]

@DrCruel

Leftists lying, as usual?

This guy's real name is Dr Stupid

[DrCruel]

No it isn't. His name is Hugo Chavez. I recognize his face.

You must lie as a reflex. It's a terrible shame, really.

[f11R2]

is noam chomsky dead?

[RadioReporter01]

@f11R2

no

[f11R2]

@RadioReporter01

thank you

[DrCruel]

Who is this director of the CDC that made this claim? I've never heard of this at all until now, and can't find any independant verification on the Internet.

I'd figure at least the conspiracy nutters would have something. Now you're simply pulling things from thin air.

[rgman268]

The Director of the CDC, David Satcher wrote to Senator Don Riegle as part of a Senate Enquiry. He states that an Iraqi Scientist was trained at a CDC laboratory before hand carrying biological agents back to Iraq despite the facts that at least two of the biological agents.

So unless Satcher is commiting perjury, then the CDC trained an Iraqi Scientist and gave him biological agents.

[DrCruel]

Or this is just another faked letter, amongst hundreds, supposedly "revealing" some secret evil or other of the US government. Meanwhile no mention at all of this letter - in his bio, regarding the anthrax attacks, or anywhere else.

No doubt, due to an elaborate "conspiracy of silence". So on.

It's particularly interesting to me that the same people claiming that Saddam never had WMDs are keen to claim that his WMDs were provided by the US government. Just an aside.

[rgman268]

Well, it obviously wan't fake since the CDC never corrected it and it was used again in 2002 as part of a Congressional Hearing where Rumsfield never denied its validity.

[DrCruel]

Well it obviously was, as there's no mention of it outside of this instance. Likewise, as there's plenty of evidence that Saddam got his WMDs from the Soviet Union (to include poison gas shell casings with Cyrillic writing still on them), it's fairly clear that this stuff is part of a campaign to divert attention from the Left's long documented alliance with and support for Saddam's Ba'athist regime.

Just to remind, the US government never gave Saddam biological agents.

[rgman268]

I never said that the Soviet Union didn't supply Saddam. That isn't even the argument. I am talking about that US involvement.

"Just to remind, the US government never gave Saddam biological agents"

Except the fact that the CDC said that they said sent biological agents to Saadam.

[RadioReporter01]

@DrCruel

Just to remind, the US government never gave Saddam biological agents.

Huh?

[QuantumProphet]

It was not the US government, it was FEDEX, LOL (Wonder who sent the package though)

[RadioReporter01]

@rgman268

CDC and Rumsfield

Wasn't he the one making money off the recent swine flu pandemic that never was?

[RadioReporter01]

@DrCruel

Cheney said there were no WMD's stupid

[DrCruel]

Well the US military found 500 chemical WMD rounds with cyrillic lettering on them. So I guess Cheney was wrong, Brighteyes.

[RadioReporter01]

@DrCruel

Google Rumsfield Sadaam and see him shake hands a year after killing them with OUR weapons.

Show the source of your info...

[DrCruel]

He's shaking hands with a dictator during negotiations to stop the Iran-Iraq war. We had sent similar diplomats to Iran.

I understand that the Marxists really wanted to win this one, or at least keep it going a bit longer. Marxists really are a wretched, bloodthirsty lot. But do you really think to convince us that the US was supplying that Ba'athist socialist Saddam Hussein with all those Hind helicopters, T-72 tanks and Warsaw Pact sarin gas rounds he used on the Iranians and Kurds?

[mrwhatthepho2012]

@DrCruel Rumsfeld was not trying to negotiate and end to the iran -iraq war when he shook sadams hand. He was selling him weapons. The russians also supplied hussein with weapons and the US also supplieds the iranians with weapons. .Those were not russian ships that we sent to the Gulf during the '80s. That was an American ship that shot down that Iranian passenger Airliner when we were escorting Saddams oil tankers. The current US/iraq conflict is far more complex and evil than u can imagine.

[DrCruel]

@mrwhatthepho2012 The problem of course being that the US did not sell Saddam Hussein any weapons. There are no American-made weapons in the Iraqi ToE of the period, and the people who claim this have occasionally claimed the weapons were "third party" sales or Warsaw Pact weapons sold through alternate channels.

I've seen the Russian-made stuff, and I know of the French and Brazilian equipment. But no trustworthy source claims the US sold Saddam any weapons, and there's no evidence of any.

[DrCruel]

@mrwhatthepho2012 As for what the US was doing in the Persian Gulf, they were preventing the Iranians from sinking civilian shipping. Certainly the US did not provide Saddam his chemical weapons potential, because we know this was provided by the Soviets - we found the Russian-made delivery systems during the first war, and about 500 "dual weapon" chemical shells in the second war (meaning that Saddam did indeed hoard Russian-made chemical WMDs, violating the UN treaty).

[mrwhatthepho2012]

@DrCruel Also you claim that the inspectors that Bush Jr sent in 2003 found some chemical shells that Saddam was hiding. (breaking the UN sactions and therfore in your mind justifying the invasion). First, even if they did find these shells Bush went to war claiming Saddam was developing Nukes. Second no chemical weapon is useful 13 fucking years after it is manufactured. Third Saddam never tried to use these supposed weapons against the invaders bent on killing him and ending his regime.

[mrwhatthepho2012]

@DrCruel Liberals are giving Nukes to Iran? The US would not support a country because it claimed it was "socialist"? These are the insane ravings of a Fox "news" indoctrinated clown.

[DwiteTheSpriteKnight]

@mrwhatthepho2012 True socialism is just a much more even distribution of wealth than what occurs in an extremely capitalist society like the US and yes US governments do have a history of being against it. Allende's Chilean government during the 1970's is one example of this. The US government was happy to support the brutal dictator General Pinochet because he didn't have a problem with sacrificing his own people's welfare for the sake of US business interests. That's US foreign policy for u

[DwiteTheSpriteKnight]

@mrwhatthepho2012 Iran has a right to nuclear power if they agree to rigorous ongoing inspections to make sure they're not making A-bombs. For the sake of consistency there should be an international nuclear power inspection agency to monitor all nuclear nations including the United States, which is still the only country ever to us nuclear weapons. They could have starved Japan into submission. By the time they used the A bombs Japan was extremely close to being totally helpless.

[DrCruel]

@mrwhatthepho2012 I might add, taht I am entirely familiar with the "evil influence" in the present conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan. The US government certainly isn't the "evil" faction involved. I might add, that Al Qaeda is the least of our worries. Leftists, on the other hand, are pretty nasty pricks - certainly it is they who are responsible for the Iranian progress towards a nuclear weapons capability, and are just as certainly involved in the terror campaigns against Muslim civilians.

[mrwhatthepho2012]

@DrCruel Wow. You are actually trying to deny the FACT that the US government from the Whitehouse through the congress openly and DIRECTLY supported Saddam Husain during the Iran/Iraq war. There were congressional hearings where senators were asking why we wern't sending more. The US gave Iraq BILLIONs in "finacial aid, provided special opts training to Iraqi troops, provided military inteligence, and provided non- U.S. origin military hardwear ( those brazilian and french weapons you mentioned

[DrCruel]

Again - the US government did NOT supply Saddam Hussein with biological weapons. They tried to stop him from getting such agents. What agents he did get were weaponized in 1989 - after the Iran-Iraq war was over. As for his chemical weapons stockpile, that came from the Soviet Union.

The objection by Marxists against toppling Saddam was motivated by their alliance with the man. At first they were openly supportive - nowadays they try to pawn him off as a "CIA asset" or similar nonsense.

[rgman268]

They did supply him with biological weapons.

They said they supplied him with the Biological weapons. The CDC trained an Iraqi Scientist and then supplied him with the weapons by their own admission.

Iraq was also given the precursors for chemical weapons by the Germans and other European Countries. This is detailed in a report from a German Economic Minister.

[DrCruel]

Iraq got their anthrax from academic sources in the US. We even know the main supplier - the American Type Culture Collection (in Maryland).

The ATCC isn't part of the CDC, nor is it part of the US government. It's an independant NGO that does most of its business with academia and industry.

This "anthrax from the Reagan administration" is a long-standing crapola line from the Left that I'm happy to repeatedly debunk here.

[rgman268]

Except for the fact the CDC themselves have said that they trained an Iraqi Scientist and supplied him with the Biological Agents.

This isn't only Anthrax. There are many biological agents.

So the CDC themselves have said that they supplied Biological Agents and training.

I know the ATCC supplied Iraq. As did at least 20 other German and American Companies. That isn't my point. We are talking about US Government involvement.

[DrCruel]

No, the CDC said no such thing, because they never gave biological agents to the Iraqis. YOU say that this happened, not them.

We are not talking about US involvement, but rather attempts by Leftists to pretend that such involvement existed. There's a difference.

[rgman268]

Yes, the CDC did say such a thing. The Director of the CDC said such a thing to the Senate. He didn't just make it up for the fun of it.

The CDC did say that they sent Biological Agents to Iraq and trained an Iraqi Scientist at the CDC for 3 months.

[DrCruel]

(Mind, that doesn't even begin to mention anything about the Leftists of the ISO and like organizations, who petitioned for over a decade to have these restrictions, and others, on Iraq lifted, and in the name of "saving the children of Iraq" - claims being made at the time that over one million had been killed.

One presumes, because they were denied lifesaving munitions.

I've heard so much of this Leftist bull before. It's as much crap as the 9/11 Troofers are. So yes, full stop.)

[rgman268]

Yes, clearly.

So you are saying that Senator Byrd was lying and the letter was made up?

No Iraqi Scientist was trained by the US Government and then allowed to take banned substances back?

[DrCruel]

I'm saying lots of self-serving memos have been entered in the Congressional Record, much of it being sheer goofiness. I also said that some of what was entered supported my claim that the source of these pathogens were private suppliers in academia, and not US government sources. The US government passed laws to stop this very thing, and these academic links were used as go-arounds by private individuals.

So no to your question. Not at all. It's Leftist bullshit.

[rgman268]

"I'm saying lots of self-serving memos have been entered in the Congressional Record"

It isn't a memo. Neither is it self serving . It was a formal letter written at the request of a Senator.

I never denied your claim pathogens were supplied from the left. I was debunking your claim that "The US government never supplied biological agents to Iraq"

I have provided the evidence. It shows the US gov collabarating with Iraq by training scientists and handing them pathogens.

[DrCruel]

It is a memo - with a collection of articles, letters and other components thrown together. Likewise it clearly was put together for political purpose, much as many similar memos are that are read into the Congressional Record.

But the best bit about your evidence is that it proves my claim. The US government is shown to be against the delivery of pathogens, while academic sources provide them regardless.

Read your own memo. It's not really that long.

[rgman268]

It isn't a memo. It is a letter. It wasn't put together with anything else. It is one letter.

"But the best bit about your evidence is that it proves my claim"

It doesn't prove your claim "The US government never supplied biological agents to Iraq". It just shows it was on the Control List. The Control List doesn't matter when higher ecelons of the government don't care about it.

It is recorded that the CDC trained scientists and gave them biological agents.

[DrCruel]

Actually, it is a memo, with lots of letters and whatnot thrown together. Simply read it and you'll see that it's true.

It's as if you haven't even looked at the stuff you're referring to. There's no place where the US government is purported to have supplied Saddam with biological weapons. Byrd is trying to claim that the US government has been negligent in enforcing the laws - not that the US government is conspiring to supply Saddam with anthrax.

Read your own stuff. Really now.

[rgman268]

No, I am talking about the letter between the CDC director and the Senator. That is it. I don't care about the rest of it.

The Director of the CDC says that they trained an Iraqi Scientist and then allowed him to carry the biological agents.

They gave it to him. The Iraqi didn't steal the agents.

Neglience would suggest that they didn't know about it. They did.

Byrd does also suggests the US supplied the Iraqis with Chemical and Biological agents.

[DrCruel]

The US government DID NOT pass biological weapons on to Saddam. Ever. Saddam did acquire biological agents, illegally, through academic channels. likely with the complicity of Leftist allies of Saddam within academia. At the time, such transfers were supposed to be sent through the Department of Commerce, but his sources in academia managed to circumvent this.

The US government was not an ally of Saddam, and did NOT supply him with either chemical or biological weapons. Full stop.

[rgman268]

Not full stop.

I refer you the letter written by the Director of the CDC, David Satcher, to a Senator in 1995. I quote:

"In 1993, at your request, the Centers Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) forwarded to your office a listing of all biological materials, including viruses, retroviruses, bacteria, and fungi, which CDC provided to the government of Iraq from October 1, 1984 through October 13 1993"

This was read out in the Senate on 20/09/2002.

Page S8987-S8998.

[DrCruel]

You mean the stuff Byrd had written into the record. The stuff that explicitly explains how the pathogens were shipped through academic sources, and to academic institutions in Iraq, without the approval of the Department of Commerce. To include the bit where the Commodity Control List is explicitly mentioned.

You mean, like what I'd been saying all along. That S8987-S8998.

You should read stuff before you post it up. And I don't mean just the blurbs you happen to like.

[rgman268]

No. You should read stuff before you post it up.

I quote from the hearing:

"According to the letter from Dr. Satcher to former Senator..... many of the materials were hand carried by an Iraqi scientist to Iraq after he had spent 3 months training in the CDC"

So there was an Iraqi Scientist being trained by the US Government who took this "material" back to Iraq. Materials such as "plague, botulism, and anthrax."

[rgman268]

I didn't say it was with the approval of the Department of Commerce. If the higher ecehlons of the Government want to do something, I doubt they would need Commerce approval.

If you are claiming that an Iraqi Scientist worked in the CDC for three months whom then managed to take a bunch of biological materials without any superiors in the US Government knowing then you are being asinine on purpose.

[DrCruel]

So you're saying that the US government conspired with Left-leaning academians to ship toxic pathogens to Saddam's Ba'athist government - despite passing numerous laws to the contrary? You mean, the same US government that could not get librarians to comply with the Patriot Act?

Yeah. Sure. Like I said, you should read your stuff before you post it up.

[rgman268]

Well it wasn't the same US government. Saying "you should read your stuff before you post it up" doesn't make you right.

I have the proof coming from your own government.

You had an Iraqi Scientist being trained in the US for three months before taking home dangerous toxins.

The congressional hearing contains far more information looking at the collaboration between the Regan Government and Sadaam.

"Like I said, you should read your stuff before you post it up"

[DrCruel]

The sarin gas Saddam used (outside of what was supplied directly by the Soviet Union) was synthesized directly in Iraq, at the Salman Pak and al-Muthanna sites. The excuse the Left uses to blame Iraqi gas on German (and occasionally, US) suppliers is that Iraq obtained chlorine from various sources. They were able to do this because their water purification plants run on chlorine. The same trick was used to link sanctions to the deaths of Iraqi children (ostentatiously due to "bad water").

[rgman268]

The Germans and the other Western Suppliers gave him the precursors for the Sarin Gas.

It doesn't matter if it was produced in Iraq or not. The West gave him the precursors for numerous chemical weapons.

The Germans were the main players from the West and supplied him with equipment and raw materials. This was all detailed by the West German government in a 1990 confidential report by Helmut Hossman.

[DrCruel]

No, from all the evidence I've seen - to include actual Russian-made shells and other equipment used for chemical warfare - the chemical weapons used by Saddam were supplied by the Russian Bolsheviks. I'd also claim that most Leftists "in the know" are aware of this, but like with their magically evaporating relationship with Saddam are lying about the involvement of their own ideological allies and blaming their own nastiness on the West.

Not the first time this has been tried, either.

[rgman268]

Look. I don't care if the Soviets gave him Sarin. I never denied that.

My point was that the West supplied him with Sarin and other chemical weapons, which you have asserted didn't happen.

It did. I showed you the testimony of an Iraqi Scientist and the report of a German Minister detailing the transactions.

Furthermore, the US provided him with biological weapons, which the head of the CDC testified to, when they knew he had used chemical weapons.

[rgman268]

Who cares if it was developed in Iraq?

The Germans provided the PRECURSORS for Sarin, Tabun and etc. The Germans admitted that themselves in 1990 and have never denied it since. An Iraqi Scientist has testified to it.

[DrCruel]

The Soviets were experts in chemical weapons use. No other group outside of the Warsaw Pact had anything similar to their capabilities in the use of such agents. It was an open knowledge for decades, were a war in Europe to break out, that the Soviets would use gas.

During the 2nd Gulf war, stores of chemical shells were found in Iraq. All had cyrillic markings on them, and were from Soviet stockpiles. Am I to believe that the Iraqis bought these empty, then filled them with German agents?

[rgman268]

Again, the documentation is there. It is easy to find.

Not only did Germany provide him with the precursors for Sarin. Many Western Countries did.

Stop asking me questions. I don't know what the thinking behind a Psychopath is. The documentation is there that proves that Western Companies helped Iraq.

Just type in German Companies, Sarin, Iraq. Bingo.

[universalcommons]

Bush1 pulled back in Gulf war1 when domestic anti-Saddam force began to mobilize, asking for captured Iraqi arms, and stood back as Saddam decimated them, because they were left of center. The U.S. has never had any interest here but to control Iraqi economics and politics, so it had to destroy the possibility of a functioning civil society.

[universalcommons]

Iraq was, prior to the first invasion, recognized by the U.N. as an emerging first world country, as a result of programs funded by nationalized oil profits, which is the very reason the U.S. decided he needed to go. Both wars were aimed at the elimination of Saddam AND the destruction of Iraqi society. Now it is stuck with its success.

[universalcommons]

Yes, I have actually read Chomskys comments on the Khmer Rouge and at no point did he ever express anything vaguely resembling support for them. He criticized the way they were used in the media, not the same thing.

[universalcommons]

The human shields were made up of frustrated anti-war protesters, not Saddam supporters and attempted to hold up in areas vital to the lives of the common people though the news media in the u.s. predictably and knowingly lied about their shielding military instillations.

[universalcommons]

Soviet communism is not to my mind synonymous with the left. As for Chomsky, he has always been anti Soviet and authoritarian socialist in general. The Baath party was also allied with Nazi Germany. The British labor party was a founding and current member of the socialist international, the Baath party was never invited, though the opposition Kurdish labor party was. Iraqi Communists were also among the many killed by Saddam.

[universalcommons]

Chomsky has many critics, which he usually dismisses with great ease, though if you do not read him you are not likely to get his side of anything.

[universalcommons]

US intelligence helped Saddam's Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. In the 1980s, the US backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks.

[DrCruel]

I likewise hope you don't mean to deny Chomsky's advocacy of the Khmer Rouge, when the Soviets were on relatively friendly terms with them, which took an abrupt turn only after a falling out between the Russian and Chinese communists of which the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia was only a part. James Donald does write a good piece on the matter, but I'd suggest Sophal Ear's work is superior. The evidence in this case is, I'm afraid, rather overwhelming.

He really is something of a cad.

[DrCruel]

The Left supported Saddam during his entire reign, and helped him into power. He was a Soviet ally throughout, and was backed by the Left during his invasion of Kuwait (which they called a "liberation"), during the sanctions era, as well as just before the Second Gulf War (when they tried to provide him with "human shields").

Given that you're a fan of Chomsky, I can see how you might be confused on the facts. You should really do some independant research on this stuff yourself.

[DrCruel]

The US was never "allied" with Saddam, nor did it provide him with the Soviet-style sarin he used on his own people. The US did send Rumsfeld to Iraq, and others to Iran (such as McFarlane) to attempt to negotiate an end to the Iran-Iraq war.

The Marxists however were close to Saddam throughout his tenure. Likewise the weapons used by his army overwhelmingly came from the Soviet Union and Warsaw-Pact nations (with a portion being supplied by France). A cursory look at his TOE confirms this.

[rgman268]

"nor did it provide him with the Soviet-style sarin he used on his own people"

No, the Germans provided it, who wouldn't have done it without US approval.

Anyway, the US provided plenty of other biological weapons after 1984 when Rumsfield met with Saadam even though his use of chemical weapons was known at the time.

[DrCruel]

No, actually the Soviets provided it - along with delivery systems, decontamination kits and advisors to train the Iraqi military in its use.

As for the Iraqi acquisition of anthrax and other pathogens, these were done through academic sources, ostentatiously for the purposes of medical research. The US government was against trade with Iraq. You are forgetting that for some time the Left actively backed the Iraqis, and did what they could to legitimize the Ba'athist regime.

[rgman268]

Anyway, the documentation is there to show the Germans helped in providing Sarin during the Late 70's and 80's.

Saying the Soviets provided it does not prove otherwise.

The US provided Biological Weapons agents. The fact that they said it was for medical use was a cover since the US knew that Sadaam had already used Biological weapns previously.

You are contradicting yourself anyway. You say that the government was against trade whilst saying it was providing biological weapon agents.

[DrCruel]

The US government never supplied biological agenst to Iraq. What agents they obtained, worldwide, was through academic channels - at time in violation of rules set by the Department of Commerce, precisely for the reasons you describe. The US government neither facilitated nor authorized such transfers.

I'd suspect some of their Leftist friends in academia might have had a hand in it, however. You forget how friendly the Left was with Saddam during the 1980's.

[rgman268]

They did supply Biological Agents through the CDC which is a government organisation. Again, the director of the CDC said this happened and it is on record.

So, your first line is wrong. THe US did supply biological agents to Iraq through the government.

They knew by that time that Iraq had used Sarin numerous times by this point. Despite this they still gave him the biological agents for "Medical" use. lol.

[DrCruel]

As for Saddam's chemical weapons, I fail to see why Saddam would go to all the trouble of getting chemical agents from Germany when he was getting all the other chemical gear - masks, decontamination trailers, artillery chem shells and the like from the Soviets. At the very same time, the Soviet Union was using the very same types of weapons in the very same type of way in Afghanistan. Why would the Iraqis get the gas itself from some other source?

[rgman268]

After all, the Iranians had just overthrown the US proxy the Shah. It would make sense to support Saadam to destablise the new Iranaian Regime and to stop any possible export of the Islamic Extremism.

[DrCruel]

By many accounts the "Revolutionary Guard" overthrew a generally popular regime, and has had to use draconian measures to maintain order ever since. This did not stop teh Reagan government from making overtures to the fanatics at Qom, however - most notably by selling arms and spare parts to Iran, and not Iraq, during the 1980s.

Throughout, Saddam was a very loyal ally of the Left. US diplomatic efforts with him centered on ending the Iran-Iraq war - the opposite of Soviet efforts.

[rgman268]

Lol. Ok, then the murderous dictator was popular. I won't argue with that. It has nothing to do with this.

Yes the Regan Government played both sides because it suited them to prolong the war at the time.

They were selling arms to Iraq as well. They didn't sell it directly. They sold it through Egypt and other allies since that would be more covert.

They could have stopped all trade throught their allies to Iraq, by proposing an international blockade like they did with Nicaragua.

[DrCruel]

I can read a book, make a case, and hold my own against abuse without resorting to unsubstantiated insults.

There is certainly more than one critic of Chomsky - quite a few knowledgeable people have pointed out his more odious stances and remarks, and have brought him to task in print for it. Thus far I've heard of no libel suit - or indeed any sort of rebuttal that rises above streams of invective. As for his critics, they apparently have no need for such theatrics to make their own cases.

[DrCruel]

You need someone with a long-standing knack for obfuscation and deceit to spin this one into something vaguely palatable. Who better than the man who used to stump for the Khmer Rouge?

Chomsky has indeed been a handy tool for Leftist despots. There hasn't been someone out there as nearly talented as he at the art since Walter Duranty.

[universalcommons]

Congratulations jack ass now we all know you can read a book. You should learn more about a subject or a person then one voice of one extraordinarily dishonest critic (who Chomsky could probably sue for liable, at the risk of validating him and his work as significant) before shooting your bullshit mouth about things you clearly have no actual knowledge of. You are a flaming ignoramus and worse yet, you are proud of it.

[DrCruel]

Ah yes - the "unnecessary, illegal war" business.

Supporting Saddam Hussein's regime was a delicate affair for Leftists. He was a Ba'athist socialist, thus his regime had to be protected, but it was hard for "peace" activists to support a nightmarish regime like his - no matter how strong his Leftist credentials were.

First, his invasion of Kuwait had to be defended. Then, the sanctions had to be associated with infanticide. Then there were the "human shields"...

[universalcommons]

So how is it that the left was opposed to Saddam and the U.S. governments support for him while it knew full well exactly what he was doing to his people.

[DrCruel]

Chomsky fulfills an important service for the Left - he advocates for Leftist despots and their allies, and denigrates the West and US policy, so as to help remove the sense of moral outrage and moral justification that would otherwise follow from Leftist atrocities and tyranny.

Thus, so long as there are Leftist despots in the world, and so long as these despots have money, and so long as free expression exists in the West, there will always be Left fascist apologists like Chomsky around.

[d3p3ch3mod3]

Yeah just like all those anti-war libertarians...

being pro-unnecessary war is a right wing quality....?

lol fox news, you dont even have to go past the election of george bush 2 to see that that's crap

[malezgerd]

Chomsky will never die!

His ideas may very likely survive long after his death!

Noam forever!

[RevelateALImperio]

chomsky fue asesinado por las elites banqueras

[raulus07]

The only way to kill Chomsky or his advocacy is to stop the aggression of imperial USA. While such hegemonic initiatives continue, Chomsky and his ideas live. Long live Chomsky.

[raulus07]

hmmm...

[revoltinglibrarian]

President Chavez never said Chomsky was dead. He said John Kenneth Galbraith was dead. The New York Times, which hates democracy and justice and President Chavez, LIED and said that the Venezuelan president said that Chomsky was dead. Then the LIARS of the Times didn't want to correct themselves... but finally relented. This is just one of MANY reasons all moral and intelligent people REJOICE that the New York Times will soon be DEAD.

[1yellafella]

the scandal that "reporters" from the New York Times turned out to be agents of the "opposition" in Venezuela helps explain the blatant and hysterical lies emerging from the NYT's coverage of venezuela!

[cuellarlopez]

Um... for the people who dont speak spanish and want to know what chavez is saying, he starts talking about the propousals in chomsky´s book on how to "Defeat capitalism", but then he changes the subyect and says hes very sorry because he wasnt able to know personally another writter: Jhonn C. Albright, and thats what was confused with chavez killing chomsky

[LimpLoser]

cancer, congestive heart failure, stroke, renal failure................take your pick. he is an Elderly man now

[AnarchistCommunity]

he isnt even dead, if he is this is news to me

[v1660]

oh...i dont understand spanish. whats the point with an english title if the video is not in english?

[rohaynes1]

you can't kill Noam Chomsky. He is a man. his ideas will live on.

[tubebellator]

except his views on biological origins of language

[elmensajeroya2007]

Ahí se ve muy bien claro lo "independientes" que son algunos periodistas venezolanos. ¡Escribir una nota a partir de una información descontextualizada del New York Times! ¿Acaso no pueden ir directamente a la fuente (en español, para mayor facilidad)? Inventos como ése del New York Times abundan y aquí en Vzla. lo copian... ¡Qué falta de profesionalismo y de ética!

[gworthey]

please don't saturate the fu%%ing audio! DAMMIT! TOO LOUD!!!!!!

[rayza563]

lol Noam chomsky is dead?

[sheepblitzer]

chomsky will never die as long as his books are published and videos are on youtube.

[bmtimv]

is this venezuela state television?

[jggb1969]

Yep

[rachterry]

Google: Noam Chomsky, Closet Capitalist by Peter Schweizer--Axis of Logic.

Also Google The Chomsky Hoax

or 200 lies made by Noam Chomsky

[vhp20]

for those who dont understand spanish like the man who wrote the article from the ny times....while talking about chomskys book, chavez laments not meeting another american author galbraith who is dead....

the ny times writer misinterpreted....but more importantly venezuelan media jumped on it to make chavez look bad.....

[kafdita]

NYT: Me ofrezco como profesora de español.

[santoro19782]

me too!!!!

[lavacaquegrounge]

el "conocimiento" de español de los periodistas del New York Times, muestra qué razón tienen al meterse con la cultura de Chávez. Muy bien, como todo, sólo hacen su trabajo. Asquerosos.

[Leibo07]

Can't anyone translate this?? It intrigues me.

[IntelligentHoodlum]

Chavez at his UN speech said that Chomsky was dead...thats all I know...

[Leibo07]

Why would president Chávez use/spread dis-information about Noam Chomsky? I can only think of one realistic reason : to prevent an assault?

In this kind of contexts (threats?) this would nót be an unusual tactic.

[unacuenta1]

the next part of the video if you pay attention is that president chaves is refering to 90 years old john kenet galbraith or something like that(cants spell it) , not to noam chomsky , this was used by the press to devirtualize the real content. the whole video tries to find who really killed chomsky the ignorant press or chavez.which leaves it clear that it was the misunderstud of the uneducated reactionary press.

[Leibo07]

I think I now start to understand the bottom line of this awkward story. The problem is, that I did not understand enough Spanish, to comprehend. Gracias.

[Kreatorix]

Why don´t You ask me about Chomsky?

[AnzLilos]

ahhhh jaja a mi se me hace chistoso, gringos retrasados

[estelroig1]

Chomsky (español)

/watch?v=Epa-BXFfXJs&NR=1

Oliveres (español)

/watch?v=yCzmWZ2P7Qw

[Kreatorix]

CHOMSKY is not a Marxist,he only used parts of KARL for his antiwest- and antizionist ideology,-so extrem,that he sheltered Holocaust-deniers!Without understanding the murderous faith ANTISEMITISM you will understand nearly nothing of what my grandfather and his european allies incl.russian and leading Islamists expl.ARAFATs mentor did,-after 1951 with support from the KGB&Moskaus antisemit.Propgda; 1 result is Al-Qaida & 9/11-massacre!"MEIN KAMPF" is only 1 variant of..ask me!

[Leibo07]

He most certainly did not. He defended the right of prof Faurisson to speak his mind WITHOUT having to fear emprisonnement. Simply democracy.

Shame on you, sayanim.

People, look for Norman Finkelstein on YT, too.

[elflaco9]

Estupidos reporteros de el new york times ellos escriben lo que quieren ellos escuchar.. pero que bueno que se dieron ese golpe en los dientes SENORES DE NEW YORK TIMES USTEDES SON UNOS IGNORANTES AL IGUAL QUE LOS DE LA CNN

[gasuelbe]

Donde esta la biblioteca?

[Franaapmaiden]

Bella Y Hermosa¡¡ Alguna vez alguien, opino acerca de acumular riquezas en la tierra, y hablo sobre la personas que tienen dinero (ricos). lee algo de historia. ademas la iglesia catolica nunca ha estado del lado de los pobres¡¡ porque son los ricos los que la mantienen¡¡ entiendes ahora¡¡

[rspawn]

Chomsky's death also was reported in a French newspaper.

I wonder how the dis-information about Chomsky's death got into the world in the first place.

[Leibo07]

Do you know more about it? I don't understand Spanish but I'd like to know

[kikopeligro]

New york times writed that chavez thought chomsky was dead...

...the guy explains that chavez really don t say that chomsky is dead ... Chavez says that John Kenneth Galbraith is dead , and he recomends to read chomsky in the same phrase, as i do ... Revolution now!

[kikopeligro]

New york times writed that chavez thought chomsky was dead...

...the guy explains that chavez really don t say that chomsky is dead ... Chavez says that John Kenneth Galbraith is dead , and he recomends to read chomsky in the same phrase, as i do ... Revolution now!

[kikopeligro]

New york times writed that chavez thought chomsky was dead...

...the guy explains that chavez really don t say that chomsky is dead ... Chavez says that John Kenneth Galbraith is dead , and he recomends to read chomsky in the same phrase, as i do ... Revolution now!

[drcanoro]

Chavez dijo que le hubiera gustado conocerlo antes de que Chomsky muriera porque sabe que tiene pocas oportunidades de que ambos llegen a conocerse. quizas nunca haya posibilidad de una conversacion entre ellos. pero a Chavez le hubiera gustado conocerlo antes de su muerte (o sea en estos tiempos).

[nartrock]

Venezuela está llena de ignorantes y mediocres y los primeros son Chavez y su oposición, Venezuela está siendo devorada por politiqueros y comunistoides.

[MoliMetal666]

El comunismo NUNCA puede estar relacionado con el catolicismo; porque el comunismo es ateísta y el catolicismo busca la destrucción del comunismo. El señor Chavez hace apología del catolicismo, con lo cual NO es comunista.

[GueOCachez]

Jesus fue comunista, ponte ha leer sobre el comunismo y despues di lo que quieras. El catolicismo chueco que controla los ricos claro que si quieren destruir al comunismo... pero el catolicismo puro, no.

[MoliMetal666]

Joder con Hugo.. Que manera de manipular. Soy de Izquierdas, pero creo que el amigo Hugo es un poco manipulador e ignorante..

[rodolfojavierm]

es que los escualidos no saben ni oyen .... por eso que siempre los derrotan........

[bryanleggo]

Could anybody here who speaks english tell me the gist of this video - hwatthe basic idea or discussion is about?

[panzer1903]

Some journalist said that Chavez "had killed" Chomsky (by saying he was dead) but they misunderstood it, Chavez said he was sorry he never met John Kennett Albright (I hope I got it right)

Not a really big deal in the video, just that someone goofed

[bryanleggo]

Ok, thanks.

[Leibo07]

It's John Kenneth Galbraith

[sciautereb]

Chomsky es un cobarde e un mendaz come Chavez

[inadark]

a saber que eres tu, chomsky es un grande

[estopa2006]

new york time odia a chomsky por que el siempre los critica por un papel amarillista de la izquierda. chomsky habla la verda siempre y esta a favor de chavez.

[inachu]

Chomsky is not dead...

[panzer1903]

We know, thanks

[pharvati]

Tipica manipulacion de los medios oligarquicos.

[cheveri]

Viva Chávez y el Comunismo.

[chvre001]

El mago comunista: La corrupción chavista no existe...Los muertos de este Gobierno no existen...Los perseguidos, torturados, exiliados y autoexiliados no existen... Chávez y su banda comunista es lo único que existe... Zape gato por las mentiras te conozco demonio sulfurozo. Venezuela no se deja engañar mas por los bolsas comunistas. Atrévete. LUCHA POR LA DEMOCRACIA

[realsuperpez]

Si Venezuela no quiere a Chávez, simple, no le voten.

La cosa es que la mayoría de venezolanos parecen empeñados en votar a Chávez. Hay que denegar el voto a la clase obrera venezolana para instaurar por fin una verdadera democracia. ¿no es cierto?