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  • I hope her brother change his mind about being proud of her now that she's an atheist and in war against islam.

  • This story was done by a news service who disagrees the Political Party she is in. A hit job for sure! I applaud her!

  • She lied since when she start. Like this woman, she'll be lie always and if possible she'll sell her baby, parents, brother and husband.

  • i respect ayan and she is tough

  • so what every refugese lies you news people and holland us a whole are rediculas so what

  • is the name of this documentary "Ad Hominem Attack"?

  • @randmnumber TOTALLY CLASSIC!!!! LOL!! NICE RESPONSE!! couldn't have said it better myself!!!! the best part is, half the people reading it are having to look up it's meaning!!!

  • what a lying bitch

  • What’s so depressing about this petty little attempted hatchet job is that the morals-of-an-ally-cat dutch twat who made it, manages to find Hirsi Ali’s refugee status so fascinating (in the interests of fairness) but couldn’t be arsed to make a more interesting documentary on the Islamic psychopath who murdered Theo van Gough. Try explaining the inconsistencies going on in that head. Arsehole. He should try working for Press TV, perfect match.

  • My opinion of Ayaan is greatly enhanced by this failed attempt to smear her character.

  • Here you have a group of American Jews opposing a ban on male circumcision. Excuse me, does this make Jews as heinous as the Muslims whom this woman has tried to brand as "barbaric"

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  • ''Most migrant learn and can become disguises. Our false descriptions to counter the falsehoods invented about us, concealing for reasons of security our secret selves.' Salman Rushdie.'

    Ayaan has got a lot to answer to humanity at the end of her life.

  • So she's a politician who admits to lies.

    I'd say that was more honest than many others in government.

  • @Lawlessuk She is a jew who admits she laid to be a muslim.

  • @1stjew And your point is...?

    People who admit lies can rebuild their reputations.

    Those who just carry on lying get laughed at.

    No idea if what you say is true, but I stand by my point.

  • @Lawlessuk Ayan Hirsi megan admitted that she was Jewish from Kenya.

    Her mother is Jewish and her father was a priest in Somalia.

    She was paid by the dutch gay jewsih party (PVDA) to pretend to be a EX-Muslim and to lie she is from Somalia.For exchange she will get Dutch passport.

    Dutch news from 2007 where Ayan admits that her father was a priest but when he went to UK (LONDON) he converted to islam in 2004.

    Also her mother was Kenyian jahudi not Muslim.

    Her real name is Megan not Ali.

  • @1stjew I'll ask again - what is your point?

    Like it or not, she's an acclaimed academic and critic of Islam. She's a multi-award winner and when she speaks, others listen. When she writes, people want to read it it.

    Awards are not given over & over again in error, indeed if suspicions are aroused a closer inspection takes place.

    Seems more like you're sour grapes over this clever woman's success and popularity tbh...

  • @Lawlessuk Again what is the point of the jews? Claiming to be ex-mislims while you are born and raised as jewish and by a christian father?

    Yes I am a tax payer (VAT, income, social and all others) in Europe and these type of silom seeking jews become minister and get money free while we work from 8 to 20 every day.

    What academia award? No you mean our blood right?

    Clever woman? No the jews are trying to destroy Europe withe these ugly Jewish baboons.

  • @Lawlessuk Like it or not she is the down fall of the Jews in West Europe.

    Do you know that we only have Jewish politic parties to vote for. Example Brussels is 80% Muslim and all the 12 mayors are Jewish. So if the muslim will not get a fair chance to vote......... you know how Hezbollah killed 5000 Jewish soldiers and destroyed 3 miltary ships, 35 helicopter and 27 merkava tanks.

    What clever? You mean fucked off. Muslim will wait patiently until 2017.

  • @1stjew "Brussels is 80% Muslim"... LULZ

    Dude... you're wasting your time with the religion bullshit.

    You wont get any sympathy here for the oppression I know you have suffered because you CHOOSE to believe in a lie. ALL religion is centred around control and submission, and is created by men, to rule men.

    I suggest you grow up, take responsibility for yourself, and realise that your life here and now is the only one you'll get, and forget the BS fairytales your Imam has beaten into you.

  • @Lawlessuk Call the mayors and ask them which group is the largest in Brussels and Jews are trying to oppress them for not letting them enter the government, police and army: +32 is country code dial without first 0 02.279.22.11 02 412 37 90 02/220.26.11 02/412.14.11 02/558.08.00 02/244.75.11 02/536.02.11 02/627.21.11 02/423.12.11 02/515.61.11 02/773.05.11 02/761.27.11 Mayor in belgium = bourgmestre. Why dont you believe in Allah who created you from sperm and blood?
  • @1stjew LOL

    Dude...

    You do realise the prophet copied the quran from the bible and the torah? He cheated you all.

    Do you understand why religion exists? Its made by man.

    35,000 GODS to choose from - do you believe in them all?

  • @Lawlessuk If you read the koran you will see "Mohammed is the final messenger of Allah. A human like you. He is just a warner. Whether you worship Allah or not thats not up to him. Before him we send messengers with the same message but you rejected and killed them."

    Now I ask you Lawlessuk Sir\ Madam what ever you are..... Why don't you believe in Allah who created you out of Sperm and Blood?

    I am not forcing you but warning you. Worship Allah directly without middleman and agents.

  • @1stjew Exactly, the prophet is a bit of a poor character to be following. He copied huge chunks of holy text from other religions and fooled you all into thinking he thought it up himself. I wont go into the child abuse issue, character limit is too small!

    There is no evidence for god. All you have is the people around all believing the same thing. That isn't evidence.

    What are you warning me of? Some bullshit Hell? Its only real for you because you've been told about it over and over again

  • @Lawlessuk Poor you are poor. Mohammed (saw) used to to feed 124000 homeless people is not poor.

    And I gave you the phone numbers did you ask the governing Jews of Belgium why they oppress Muslims for not letting them in police, government and army. And how many percent are Muslims in Brussels.

    Again I tell you if you are a smart Jew you will convert to Islam like me. Then you will enter paradise. Since 9-11 many Jews in Brussels converted to Islam. You can also join us.

    Please just try it.

  • @1stjew I'm not a jew.

    I have no interest in believing in myths and fairytales.

    Why do you believe this bullshit? People are dying for this rubbish and there's no evidence that god is real.

    If you were born in a different country, you would probably believe in a different religion.

    You do realise that, don't you?

  • @Lawlessuk I was born and raised as a jew in Belgium where we have 30 religious groups and sects. And you are free to choose your religion.

    Okay even if you are hindu. Please think once. The one that created you oyt of sperm and turned you into a complete human.

    Worship Allah and you will go to heaven. The choice is yours I am not forcing you but warning you of a life in the hereafter.

    

  • @1stjew You clearly need the comfort of religion.

    I prefer the reality of life and see NO EVIDENCE of a supernatural deity.

    I suggest you preach to weaker minded individuals like yourself if you want to convert someone.

  • @1stjew

    where does the egg fit into this equation?

  • lol! rqat faced liar good1 i can add more smelly nasty tramp who would do anything for fame n money ALL THAT BULLSHIT BOUT THE OPPRESSION SHE SAW HOW CAN SOME1 MAKE UP SO MUCH SHIT??? SHAME ON ALL THE TALK SHOWS THAT ENTERTAINED HER N GAVE HER COVERAGE all U have to do is feed in to the myths n lies bout her ex religion N LO N BEHOLD UR A CELEBRITY! Y R WE SO OBSESSED WITH BASHING ISLAM MAKES U THINK DOESNT IT THE WAY SHE BECAME A SUPERSTAR OUT OF IT ALL. NASTY UGLY FAKE GOOFY BYCH! DIRTY REFUGY

  • AFTER Watching this woman with her selective admissions ie after being presented with compelling evidence she admits to the bare minimum or brushes her lies off in a blasai manner(hope i spelt that correctly) u come away thinking what a 42 carrat LYER SHE REALLY IS! Makes u wonder how she got citizenship in 5 weeks and became a mp so quickly not to mention all the media courage and welcome she got all over the world HHMMM ... WHOS BEHIND HER THATS THE $64,000,000 QUESTION stinky rat faced liar!!

  • I love this woman!

  • for the makers of this movie you guys are phenomenal what a great example of true investigative journalism .If it was not for you we would still think she is a philanthropist and not the opportunist she is!

  • so was her movie about islam credibale? and was the death of the director worth her lies? ask yourself!

  • @RAVENSandDOOMS Since it is true that there are indeed honor killings in Somalia, the rest of the "ad hominem" attacks go the same way. Multicultis would think: "Let's discuss how she lied about her coming to Europe, since we are so stupid to discuss the real issues she talks".

  • @ChenzaiNam AAALLL politicians are stinking liars and would walk over bodies...jsut like Hirsi's case, she was caught in the act, a victim to her own sin. do you actually belive that she came all the way from Kenya to warn the west about honor killing? or just wanted to take a big bite from the pie made out of Islam?? Now you can follow the blind cat right into the well or try to find common sense for the sake of decency. cheerse

  • @RAVENSandDOOMS Hey, it´s fine with me if you understanding of English sucks, the line goes like this: "I-went-to-Holland-then-discov­er-Islam-sucks-then-wanted-to-­warn-people-and-help-women". And easy timeline sequence. Multicultis like you should learn the difference between FACT and OPINION.

  • hahahhaha uhm oh my husband wants 6 male children ahahhaha priceles wath an man made story ayyaan or magan is exactly like an goat

  • So the people that produced this piece of trash lied to all the people to get them to talk. This isn't product of seeking the truth. This is an attempt at character assassination. I hope the went broke doing it. You could say she lied about getting into the Netherlands. Perhaps. And if she did, this is reason to attempt this sort of yellow journalism? Disgusting.

  • @equsnarnd

    character assasination? why would she have to lie in the first place?

    do you know what a golddigger is?

  • @DroppinTruth Yes but do you know how to separate the chafe from the wheat? Apparently the film makes didn't and are desperate to assassinate her character. if her lie was to get into the Nederlands than all I can say is 'You go girl!' I mean she didn't get in and become a criminal or a welfare queen. The Dutch loss is our gain. I'd pay to have her come here, gladly. We need more people of her character, intelligence and good will. The Dutch were idiots.

  • @equsnarnd

    Okay. But what kind of "character" does a person who would consistently and persistently lie against her family, country and faith? This woman was educated at a Muslim Girl's Secondary School. Is it not the height of duplicity that she repeatedly states that "Islam is hostile to women" yet, she was educated at a Muslim school for girls. And all the while she was excoriating Islam, she never even thought to at least make mention of this.

  • @Titoscudd Hard to say cause the film was so hell bent on character assassination it didn't feel the need to approach the evidence in an organized way. Why did they never ask her explicitly to explain her anti-Muslim stance with her being educated in a Muslims school? Was the school actually Muslim? Didn't the people there say they had people of various religions and they gave no special status to any? Doesn't sound Muslim.

  • @equsnarnd

    LOL!! What a question? Was the school "actually" Muslim? Do you think that Madrassas are the only "actual" Muslim schools? FYI, Muslims run schools very similar to the Notre Dame girl's schools that are found all over the world. Don't people of various faiths attend the Notre Dame schools? Does that mean that they aren't Catholic/ Christian institutions?

  • @equsnarnd

    LOL!! It's always interesting to read your articulations of your ignorance of the world. And Ayaan knows this and it is your ignorance and lack of exposure that she preys on.

  • @equsnarnd The Dutch are confused and scared. Have been since long before Hitler really showed them how cruel people can be to their own brothers and sisters in the name of a Totalitarian Ideology like Socialism tinged with Nationalism, or Religion, backed by the Force of Law or Tradition.

  • You can she that's she is lying, the only reason why the dutch right wing wanted her was because she was a so called muslim bashing islam.

  • It doesn't matter if you agree with what she says or not or even if she lied. It is of utmost importance that she be allowed to say it, just as it is import for you to agree or disagree without fear of violence against you.

  • @koalabean3

    Can you see how duplicitous you are? This woman is fanning the embers of discord, suspicion and hate, yet, you'd have us grant her audience. I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that were she saying these things about Judaism you'd have denounced her as "evil" and "anti-Semite". But, since her lies are directed at Muslims, Somalia and her own family, it's all well and good, and she should be feted on TV, radio and other media?

  • @Titoscudd I don't necessarily agree with what she is saying, my point was only that she should not have to live in fear of being injured or killed because of it. Maybe she shouldn't be given such a platform. After reading her book I think her opinion is mostly based on personal experiences, which may or may not represent the reality for most or even a majority of Muslim women. She certainly says things that can easily be used by the bigots and islamophobes, but I don't think that is her aim.

  • @koalabean3

    If I may ask, what do you think that her aim is? This individual who lied her way into the Netherlands so that she could live there and enjoy the "privilege" of refugee status, joined the most extreme party there that is against immigration. In fact, she voted against granting refugee status to a woman from Eastern Europe who had also lied about here situation. Then she goes the the US and becomes the poster child for "Islamophobes".

  • @koalabean3

    Do you think that her comments might in any way amplify the negative sentiment that is building against Islam and Somalia?

    An American Muslim cleric is doing the exact same thing in Yemen, and the US govt has ordered his assassination.

    I have personally had some really frightening experiences with Muslims and Islam that may have resulted in my death. However, the people who have been kindest to me and lent me their unconditional assistance have also been Muslims.

  • @Titoscudd again, I don't pretend to have a grasp of the whole situation, but I think her initial aim was really to try and protect women who she saw as having no say over their lives. I don't think Islam is at fault, any more than I think Judaism or Christianity are at fault when certain of their followers commit human rights violations. Her point was that if one follows the Quran to the letter (or the bible or any other ancient religious text), the result is often demeaning to women.

  • @Titoscudd

    Spoken like a true Jew hater. Why bring Jews up? The ones that bring up th is anti semitic bullshit the most are the anti semites themselves. Jews have nothing to do with this. And how the fuck are you so certain she is lying? You want to believe she is lying.

    I read her books, there is nothing new here that she didn't already admit to and write about.

  • @Lagolop

    Oh! Sharrap!! Barking like a mad dog. Scoop up your anal cake and go plant it elsewhere!!

  • @Titoscudd So I guess I made my point.

  • @Lagolop

    What point did you make? You just lifted the lid off that cesspit you call a brain and belched fetid stench from your putrid bowels in my face.

  • @Titoscudd Based on your comment, I assume I am annoying you.

    I'd say Ayan has done well for herself since she left the cult and I take delight in her exposing it for what it is.

  • @Lagolop

    You aren't annoying me as you haven't the intellectual mettle to evoke my anger.

  • @Titoscudd

    Then why pray tell are you even giving me the time of day but responding .... lol?

  • @Lagolop

    Oh! Because idiots like you need to be addressed on the spot and not be allowed to run amok spreading your miasma around.

  • @Titoscudd Oh dear, for somebody who doesn't think I am worthy, you sure are giving me a lot of your precious time. I must have stuck a chord somewhere along the line :)

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  • @Titoscudd

    "@Lagolop Oh, dear! For a bovine stupid idiot who would stick its snout into my business and quote me out of context even though I wasn't referring to it nor were my statements directed to it, I guess I must've struck a chord somewhere along the line, huh? ;)"

    I think U accidently removed UR comment to me so I thought I'd paste it here for U. My point is that you are saying something about Ayan that is baseless.

    I still think UR giving me lots of time considering I am unworthy.

  • @Lagolop

    LOL!! That wasn't your point. You accused me of anti-semitism. That was the opening statement in your comment. And that was intended to discredit me and not refute the statements I made about Ayaan. Which is why rabid idiots like you shouldn't be let off your leash to perambulate the internet with your muzzle off slobbering your infected spittle all over the place.

  • @Titoscudd When did I accuse you of beig anti semitic?

  • @Lagolop

    Not only are you demented, but, you also suffer from CONVENIENT selective amnesia. Weren't you the idiot who left me this comment, "Spoken like a true Jew hater. Why bring Jews up?"

  • @Titoscudd So I did NOT call you an "anti semite". And while we are on the topic, why DID you choose to bring up Jews when they have nothing t do with this vid?

    BTW, Semitic refers to a very broad linguistic group; it does not in reality refer to Jews since Jewishness is not about language nor race .... it has to do with a religious faith.

  • @Lagolop

    Oh?! So, now the buffon seeks to play stupid semantic games with me, huh? When was the last time you called one who spoke ill of Arabs "an antisemite"? So, the term "antisemite" isn't an alternative for "Jew hater", huh?

    What an idiot!! Do you honestly mean that if you were called "antisemite" today on the streets of London, Germany or New York, people would say, "Oh! That guys probably hates Syrians or Saudis?"

    My boy, restrict your fart-brained arguments to your mates.

  • @Titoscudd I simply pointed out the true meaning of anti Semite.

    The term semitic refers to a linguistic group. a-rabs and syrians are not linguistic groups.

  • @Lagolop

    Just to help unclog your head, I said "Syrians or Saudis". Both Syrians and Saudis are Arabs. So, for you to come back and say "a-rabs and syrians are not a linguistic group" suggests that you are an utter idiot. Syrians are Arabs. But, Arabs are not necessarily Syrians. So. lumping Syrians and Arabs into your response just highlights how out of your depth this issue is.

    Further, Arabic is the most widely spoken Semitic language in the world today.

  • @Titoscudd

    You're absolutely right, an a-rab is an a-rab. And they all use a semitic language. And why would you think I would find it interesting that a-rabic is the most widely used semitic language; I could care less. It's all shit.

    BTW, Syrians are not ALL a-rabs. Oh ya, they were fucked up and conquered by them but they are not necessarily a-rab. Culturally perhaps but not genetically.

  • @Lagolop

    LOL!! Oh, Syrians are culturally but not genetically "a-rab", huh? And how did you determine this? Are you stating the findings of some genetic research or just lifting the latest flavour of miasma that's bubbled up to the surface of that cesspit you call a brain? I challenge you to provide a reference.

    Moreover, MOST Ashkenazi (European Jews) are Europeans. Their ONLY link to Judaism is remote and based on vestiges of genetic connection. Yet, they are said to be "semitic".

  • @Titoscudd Why are you talking about Ashkenazi Jews?? Where did that come from?? But since you bring them up, what makes them Jewish is Jewish law and not genetics. They are not semitic speaking unless they speak Hebrew but they do have genomes that indicate M.E. ancient ancestry. Even the most lily white, blue eyed, blond Jews more often than not carry those ancient M.E. genomes .... but of course this has nothing to do with Ayan.

  • @Lagolop

    So, the expression "anti-semitism" that was used against Europeans (not just Nazis) who had a aversion for European Jews who spoke no Hebrew, was in fact, a misnomer, huh?

    Moreover, what about Ethiopians and recently discovered Ugandans who have been determined to be descendants of Jews? How was it determined that those those Ethiopians who were airlifted a little while back were in fact Jews? Wasn't it by way of genetic testing?

  • @Titoscudd

    European Jews (Ashkenazi, specifically) did not use Hebrew during normal discourse. Hebrew was reserved for prayer. The mother tongue of Ashkenazi was/is Yiddish (essentially Medieval High German). Anti-semitism was a term coined in Europe in the 1900s if my memory serves me.

    Jews travelled all over the world. Genetics didn't have much to do with any airlift. They were rescued because they were persecuted for being Jewish. They are Jews according to Jewish law. But I am no expert.

  • @Lagolop

    Okay. And seeing, according to you, Semitic people are ONLY identified by the language they speak, how then could the Nazis have been "anti-Semites" since the Ashkenazi didn't speak Hebrew?

  • @Titoscudd

    They adopted the term; you'd have to ask one of them.

  • @Lagolop

    If you aren't an expert and don't know what you're prattling about (you really don't know what you're talking about most of the time), what then are you saying but, garbage? There is an Irish saying that "the greatest sin is not knowing what you're talking about and still saying it". LOL!!

    A little while back, you said that Syrians are culturally a-rab but, not genetically. I have challenged you to furnish your evidence.

  • @Titoscudd

    Jews are Jews and a-rabs are a-rabs? Well there are syrian Jews, many live in Israel now. They are not a-rabs and never were; they simply lived in that land.

  • @Lagolop

    LOL!! Listen to this confused fart brain. Those Jews who left Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, etc were and still are Arabs just as the Ethiopians were and still are Africans and the Ahskenatzi were and still are Europeans. The same goes for the Jews in Iran who are Perisian and have been living there since Cyrus the Great liberated them from Babylon.

    They had lived there and intermarried for centuries. Why then do you think that they all have different features?

  • @Titoscudd That is not true. Levantine ppl are not necessarily a-rabs AND you can look that one up.

    As for Ashkenazi, how do you explain that it h as scientifically been proven that almost all have genome indicative of ancient ancestry to the area we now know as Israel? You are getting hung up on phenotypes. Genomes do not lie.

  • @Lagolop

    Ha! Ha!! Ha!!! But, you're stupid. Is one's phenotype not an expression of their genotype? LOL!! Do you honestly think that one can NATURALLY present phenotypic expressions that do not derive from their genotype?

  • @Titoscudd

    Yes, phenotype can be influenced by environment.

  • @Lagolop

    Oh? So, you mean an African can come to Europe and suddenly begin to grow long straight hair and develop pale skin because of the environment, huh? Such things as complexion lightening are temporary and cannot be used to determine race.

    So, KINDLY give an example of the phenotypic differences that distinguished Europea Jews from other Europeans, Arab Jews from other Arabs and Ethiopian Jews from other Ethiopians?

  • @Lagolop

    LOL!! Let me help you here. Those who call themsleves "Africaans" are descendants of Dutch colonial settlers who came to south Africa and have been there for over 100 years. Yet, their features are still clearly European. So, that tells you that the Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Ethiopian Jews couldn't have developed their distinct features from environmental changes but, form intermarriage with the indigenous people. Such that, they no longer look alike.

  • @Titoscudd

    Let me help you out. The Afrikaners (not Africaans) have not been there very long). Those sorts of changes do not happen overnight. I never said the phenotypes are influenced ONLY from environmental changes. For that to happen it takes a lot longer than 400 yrs. Of course phenotypes are affected by genetics (I never disputed that) but the original Europeans came from Africa and they were hardly white.

    That said, there are probably few populations that have had no mixing.

  • @Lagolop

    Excuse me, phenotypes are NOT just affected by genetics they ARE the expression of genetics. Natural, consequential and inheritable phenotypic changes, not cosmetic changes such as skin toning, physique sculpting, etc will not appear in any human being with out first occurring at the genetic level. So, all your prattling is nothing but empty, nonsensical, pedestrian and light weight tintinnabulation.

  • @Titoscudd I never denied that phenotypes are NOT the expression of genetics. What I said was that they are also the "expression" of environment. How else would a black AFRICAN who migrated out of Africa into Europe, become white. Natural selection (environment) was for ever whiter individuals. There were no "white" ppl to mix with then you idiot.

    You must spend a lot of time with a thesaurus. Perhaps as I suggested b4, copy/paste from others you admire. Worried about your language skills?

  • @Lagolop

    So what if there is evidence of Middle Eastern ancestry? What's that got to do with anything? Aren't there Americans who trace their ancestry to both the Norsemen of Netherlands and probably the Irish of the UK?

  • @Titoscudd

    "So, the expression "anti-semitism" that was used against Europeans (not just Nazis) who had a aversion for European Jews who spoke no Hebrew, was in fact, a misnomer, huh?"

    I think so. Anti JEWISH would be more accurate. Referring to Jews as semites was a way to distance them from the rest of German society. You couldn't tell from their look so the Germans used another way to isolate Jews. Ironic since many German Jews of the time only spoke modern German, no Yiddish.

  • @Lagolop

    Excuse me, the term "anti-semitism" just like "holocaust" was coined by Jews and not by Germans.

  • @Titoscudd Holocaust deniers are very sad indeed. They are so desperate to hate Jews that they end up believing their own lies.

  • @Lagolop

    About the question as to why I chose to "bring up the Jews". Well, because I wanted to and I don't owe you an explanation for that. So, because i also brought up the American govt's assassination order for an imam in Yemen who is American citizen who is inciting people against America, I am therefore also an "America hater", huh?

    Look, my boy, just shut up and wait until your brain evolves beyond the much of anal cake it currently is before you unleash your load of nonsense.

  • @Titoscudd

    "I am therefore also an "America hater""

    OK, so you say your an American hater. That's fine.

  • @Lagolop

    No! No!! No!! I didn't say because of that am I a hater from America i.e. "AmericAN hater"? I said, because of that am I a hater of America i.e. "America hater"? Get the difference, numbskull?

  • @Titoscudd OK, fine you hate America/Americans.

  • @Lagolop

    Are you familiar with the use of this punctuation sign "?" or do you need a lesson in punctuations?

    Why didn't it cross your mind to brand me as "Anti-America" even though I'd made an allusion to America?

    Can you see how your brain resorted to its epiliptic knee-jerk reaction to belch your nonsense in my face?

  • @Titoscudd Oh yes, I understand "?".

    I was not the one bringing up "anti American". You were.

  • @Titoscudd

    Hey here's another one of Ayan. She's definitely cool :)

    watch?v=rOy7Rj71m4k

  • @Lagolop

    "Spread ye not your pearls before swine... nor wear your rings in the snout of hogs".

  • @Titoscudd I take it you enjoyed the vid I sent you of Ayan :) No need to thank me.

  • @Lagolop

    Oh?! Sorry, I didn't even look at it. Is that the one you jerk off to every night? LOL!! Poor you, you'll never get within an inch of that ass. Some British adulterer's put his name on it. So, get in line. Maybe you'll get a chance to steal her away

  • @Titoscudd

    That is not a nice way to talk about a lady. Why bad mouth her for having the courage to stand up to that misogynistic cult. There is something extremely wrong with a "religion" that routinely carves out the genitals of a woman as a means of controlling her. Talk about a bunch of insecure men ... lol.

  • @Lagolop

    But, you see, this is why you're an idiot! Where in Islam is female circumcision prescribed? Female circumcision is a practice of the Somali and not a Islamic injunction.

    Each time you open your fetid bucal cavity, nothing but rotting ignorance crawls out.

  • @Titoscudd

    Nonetheless, the "Infidels" do not mutilate their women by removing their vulvas. Ayan was not excluded from this.

    In every comment you use rude words and hurl personal epithets. I can see you copying and pasting from your little "arsenal", but I think that is only a sign that your are insecure and immature

  • @Lagolop

    Yes. I have to use rude words and personal epithets against you because you are stupid!! A crass idiot!!

    In southern Sudan, you'd find the Dinka. The Dinka are predominantly Christians or animist and not Muslims. Yet, the Dinka practice female circumcision. If you had the brains you'd have realized that it is a practice among MANY African cultures irrespective of religion. But, of course, you don't have a brain but, only regurgitate the anal cake you've been force fed.

  • @Titoscudd No you do not "HAVE" to use these epithets; you do so because it makes you feel better. And it also makes me feel better since it show you for what you are.

    Did I say female mutilations are not practiced by other backward ppl? I said that the carving out of female genitalia is not done by Jews or Christians. You know, we use to have slavery but we progressed and stopped that. Some cultural activities are best to leave behind at some point don't ya think?

  • @Lagolop

    Yes. It makes me feel better. Because, it makes me feel that I have address an idiot the only way an idiot should be addressed.

    LOL!! The carving out of female genitalia is not done by Jews or Christians. But, the male genital mutilation is. So, because, some people circumcise women, but, you circumcise men. You are therefore better than the others, huh? Mind you, the ONLY form of circumcision prescribed by the Qur'an in male circumcision in keeping with the practices of Abraham.

  • @Titoscudd

    Oh boy, you're getting desperate. How can you possibly compare male with female circumcision??!! Especially as done by the Somalies.

  • @Lagolop

    Desperate? Isn't the fundamental issue about the trauma it causes the child and the fact that it has no real utility? What exactly is the utility or purpose of male genital mutilation?

  • @Titoscudd

    There are apparently some conditions that are either prevented or relieved with male circumcision. I do not know of any condition that a woman could have that required the removal of part of all of her genitals. Again I do not profess to be an expert on the subject as I am not a doctor. I can't imagine too many boys dyeing compared to little girls. This is actually repugnant to even think about.

  • @Lagolop

    LOL!!! What conditions might these be? Kindly state the conditions that are either prevented or relieved by male genital mutilation. LOL!! The barbarian is at a loss for words when confronted with his barbarity. Funny thing is that this idiot thinks he is better than others simply because, he does it to boys while others do it to girls. LOL!!!

  • @Titoscudd You can't be serious. Anybody can find lots online about "complications from female mutilation.

  • @Lagolop

    At issue here isn't the question of complications. You claimed that there were benefits to be had from male genital mutilation. And I have challenged you to list them. Instead, you come back with nonsense about complications. Can complications not be mitigated or avoided by improving the procedure? Were you referring to complications when you called people who practice female circumcision "barbaric" and "backward"?

    KINDLY list the benefits of male genital mutilation?

  • @Titoscudd You can easily look it up your self what complication can be relieved with male circumcision. I don't need to spell them out for you. Even if there was not medical reason and purely cosmetic it still is not on the same plane as female mutilations. Do you think female genital removal is EVER warranted?

    There is NO, ZERO, NADA need for female circumcision.

  • @Lagolop

    LOL!! Suddenly, the barbarian has lost his intellectual verility (not that you could ever muster any) and conveniently side steps questions.

    So, even YOU don't know why you have no problem with male genital mutilation but, you do know why you think female circumcision is "barbaric" and "backward", huh? Very intelligent don't you think? LOL!! What an idiot!!

    LOL!! Under what circumstances is male genital mutilation EVER warranted?

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  • @Titoscudd

    "LOL!! Under what circumstances is male genital mutilation EVER warranted?"

    I can provide an example of when male circumcision (not mutilation) is warranted, how about when your cock is being strangles to death by a foreskin - FOR ONE REASON. Good enough if you happen to be in that position, to be circumcised,

    Now, care to give us any example of when female mutilation is warranted??

  • @Lagolop

    LOL!! When your cock is being strangled to death? Have you EVER seen such a case? Do you mean that that is the reason why so many Europeans are circumcised because the foreskin was strangling their cocks? LOL!! Did you pull that one out of your arse or something? LOL!!!

  • @Lagolop

    I didn't say I practice or agree with female circumcision. However, I don't think that an idiot like you whose only reason for supporting male genital mutilation is because the foreskin may strangle the cock is qualified to state that those who practice female circumcision are "barbaric" and "backward". How many cases of cock strangulation do you know of?

  • @Titoscudd

    You asked me for an example and I gave a valid one. I also qualified my responses to you but admitting I am not medical expert. I do not go about questioning people on their dinks. I'm not into is personally, but I do know a few ppl that have had that issue; in fact one just this year.

    Now it's your turn. ANSWER. What benefits are there EVER from female genital mutilations? What conditions warrant it??

  • @Lagolop

    That statement is about the most stupid I've ever heard. So, you mean all the male infants whose genitals are mutilated in the West, had it done because the foreskin was tightening around their penises? Are you for real or are you just a flatulent joke?

  • @Lagolop

    I've already said that I personally don't practice female circumcision, but, if the only reason you can give for your "barbaric" practice of male genital mutilation is that the foreskin would PROBABLY tighten around the penis, then, I suggest that you should go an "take away the mote from your eye so that you may see the speck in your brother's eye". Yes? LOL!!

  • @Titoscudd

    "if the only reason you can give for your "barbaric" practice of male genital mutilation is that the foreskin would PROBABLY tighten around the penis"

    I said I knew that ppl had it done BECAUSE of a restrictive issue, not the PREVENT it.

  • @Lagolop

    Fixated on dicks? LOL!! Don't you think that it is a sorry day, when the only argument a self-deluded, pompous and snobby buffoon who just a few posts ago was so cock sure that his was the superior culture and all others "barbaric" and "backward" simply because he enjoys severing foreskins off infant's dicks is to accuse others of being "fixated on dicks"? LOL!!!

    So, this centuries old exalted culture of male genital mutilation boils down to a few people who had a "restrictive issue"

  • @Titoscudd

    When did I say MY culture was superior to anybodies? I didn't. And yo have no idea what MY culture even is. I could be a somali for all you know.

  • @Lagolop

    LOL!! I think you either have the intelligence of a gnat or, assuming that your are a Westerner, you are too dumb to articulate yourself clearly in your own mother tongue without tying your brain up in your tongue.

    Can you KINDLY elaborate on the import of this comment you made a little while back, "Did I say female mutilations are not practiced by other backward ppl?".

  • @Titoscudd

    Sure, you wrote that female genital mutilations are practices by those other than muslims (I suppose you were somehow defending islam). You mentioned the Dinka (your example).

    The implication was that I said only muslims practice this barbarity. In fact I only said that Christians and Jews DO NOT do this.

    So, I responded by telling U that I didn't say this was a muslim only barbarity. I'm aware that some other backward ppl do it

    Understand?

  • @Lagolop

    Oh, so those other people are "backward" because they practice female circumcision, but, you are "not backward" because, unlike them, you ONLY practice male genital mutilation, huh? Yet, you cannot articulate cogent reasons why you practice it.

    I mentioned the Dinka to broaden you contracted intellectual borders. And I know of several other African ethnicities who practice female circumcision and they do it not because they are Muslim or Christian, but, because it is their culture.

  • @Titoscudd

    "backward" because, unlike them, you ONLY practice male genital mutilation, huh?"

    Personally I do not practice any form of mutilation, not does my culture.

  • @Lagolop

    You don't but, according to you, Christians and Jews (unbeknown to you, and Muslims) do, and form what you said previously, they represent a "non-backward" people, yes?

  • @Titoscudd People who practice circumcision of any kind are barbaric assholes!

  • @Lagolop

    Do I agree with this particular cultural practice? I probably don't. But, do I because of that label them "backward people"? No. I do not. And why not? Well, simply because, their culture is a reflection of their antecedents of which I have no knowledge. They didn't just wake up one morning and decide to circumcise their women.

  • @Lagolop

    You're so dense, stupid and pompous that you are totally blind to the irony in the fact that not only did you not know that Ayaan reinforced your stupidity by linking her experience of circumcision not with her culture, but, with Islam.

    And being the fool that you are, you came on here with such nonsense as, "there is something extremely wrong with a "religion" that routinely carves out the genitals of a woman as a means of controlling her. Talk about a bunch of insecure men".

  • @Titoscudd

    "not only did you not know that Ayaan reinforced your stupidity by linking her experience of circumcision not with her culture, but, with Islam."

    In her own book she indicate that it is not strictly a pislamic "tradition" but it IS done by muslims, and is condoned by them. Read her book INFIDEL..

    And yes, there IS something very wrong with an ideology/cult/religion that in this dat and age would find it acceptable to CARVE out a woman's genitalia. But you re free to disagree.

  • @Lagolop

    Excuse me, where in the Qur'an or any other Muslim cannon did you read about female circumcision? Given that even the Dinka, who aren't Muslims, but, Christians and Animists also practice female circumcision, is it safe to say that this practice is tied to their Christian religion?

    It seems like wrapping your mind around this concept presents you with an eternally insurmountable challenge, huh? Well, keep trying. You'll get it one day.

  • @Lagolop

    Whereas, no where in the canons of Islam would you find a SINGLE ordinance prescribing female circumcision.

    More interesting thing is that the Qur'an speaks of male genital mutilation as a link between Islam's adherents and Abraham. And you, the congenital idiot, have actually spoken in support of male genital mutilation and have tried to present it as being "at least" better than female circumcision, because, you think it may have some benefits. LOL!! What a gullible fool!!

  • @Titoscudd

    I don't condone or object to male circumcision. If it needs to be done or if you want it done fine. How many females do you know that need their genitals removed or want them removed? And you fixated on this and I am done responding. The next thing I will respond with will the likes of this.

    This is more to the point when we discuss islam and your koran.

    watch?v=bGAxark6kNg

  • @Lagolop

    Male genital mutilation is MOSTLY done at infancy. Isn't it just basically disingenuous and asinine for you to talk about "if your want it done"? How many babies get to give their consent before they are subjected to the trauma of genital mutilation? Yet, it hasn't crossed your mind that there may be something wrong with this, but, being the fool that you are, you KNOW that it is wrong to do it to girls.

  • @Lagolop

    My boy, like I told you previously, you are not intellectually equipped to have this discussion.

  • @Lagolop

    My boy, you are not intellectually qualified for this discussion. Go and send a note to Glenn Beck or O'Reilly. I'm sure they'll send you a patriot mug or some other stupid memorabilia. LOL!!!

  • @Titoscudd

    Since you insist on deviating from Ayan, and since you are not muslim you won't be offended by this. Quite educational and rather funny ....

    watch?v=lZ0OsaMiTLQ

  • @Lagolop

    So, I guess you and Muslims do share a common form of barbarity, huh?

  • @Lagolop

    I guess it is up to each cultural group to determine what to divest themselves of and what to keep. And seeing as they haven't gone to the West and tried to circumcise your mom, I don't see how their cultural practice is any of your business.

  • @Titoscudd I don't agree. I think it is time for backward and violent cultures to join the 21st C and shed their "cultural" practices.

    PS my mother is no longer alive.

  • @Lagolop

    Oh! Then, did they go to your mom's grave and try to circumcise her corpse or something? If not, then how is it any of your business? LOL!!!

  • @Lagolop

    Hello! Hello!! Hello!! I am NOT a Muslim and have NEVER been a Muslim. In fact, my grandfather was a Provost in the Anglican (Episcopal) church. So, you can cast whatever aspersions you want on Islam or Mohammed and I don't give a fart. However, I don't believe that idiots and ignoramuses such as yourself should be able to run around planting their anal cake without being asked to pick up after themselves.

  • @Titoscudd

    This entire "dialog" was based on YOUR aspirations that Ayan is a liar, to which you still have not shown any evidence to support your theory.

  • @Lagolop

    Hello! I had no "aspiration" that Ayan is a liar. Do you even know the meaning of that word "aspiration"?

    She herself in this clip was found to be a lier which was why she had to run away from the Netherlands after cavorting with the most extreme and anti-immigration party there. So, there is no "aspiration" here. It is a statement of condemnable FACT.

  • @Titoscudd

    She was not "found to be a liar" in this vid. She is telling us what had transpired and just maybe the others are lying? Where is the "condemnable FACT"? Spoken like a true muslim. Maybe you are even somali ... LOL.

    And spare me the Irish Anglican crap, you want to feed me. I could care less. You are only part f hyperspace and say you are whoever you want to be