The Bible is very clear that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone (John 1:12; John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:21-30; Romans 4:5; Romans 10:9-10; Ephesians 2:8-10; Philippians 3:9; Galatians 2:16).
mrfalconlem....hav u not herd that it is wonderful 2 make a joyful noise 2 the lord...absolutely lov the church life..com along..im sure theres a local church near u??over my 25 year span of searching i came across the church life 18 years ago...an hav never looked bak...im home.... hallelujah 4 the body... satan trembls at the body...wer victorious..in the body..hallelujah 4 the lord has made us 1....another word of encouragement mcfaconlem....colour is of no significant 2 the church life...
Sing with the Spirit.....Neither is worshipped with men' hands. These scriptures need to be repeated from the leadership at this congregation. All the New Testament speaks on is singing. Jesus is coming soon, lets get ready saints. Ask questions, read the scriptures, repeat the scriptures, pray, & use your sword instead of submitting to any way that is manmade. Even if its our own brethren.
Gal.2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
ACTS.17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things.
ICorinthians.14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the Spirit, and I will pray with the unserstanding also: I will sing with the Spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
This is the ordinance that God set in "His Church", and it must be respected and obeyed in order for God to accept the worship, & so one can continue the fellowship.
@minchihchao Even though Christ's glory may rub off on His bride, still He is the only one deserving all glory and honor and not the church. God bless you
@dmdk66 amen brother! The Lord deserves all glory and we do not! We only get it by taking Him as our life supply and express Him! All man-made glory put to shame compared to Him! Hallelujah for the Lord imparting life into His body and expressing glory through His body!
@minchihchao we don't get the glory at all! All glory belongs to the Lord only, and no one else! You're right. Also we don't praise the church but the Lord Jesus. God bless!
@dmdk66 That is why the Lord asked Saul,"...Saul, why are you persecuting Me?" (Acts 9:4) That the Lord shall not be glorified objectively. Just as mingling with the saints and enjoying the Lord is a body matter, the Lord being glorified through His Body is also a body matter, except in the Godhead as the object of worship. For He who answered to those who have given Him a drink, "...inasmuch as you have done it to one of these, the least of My brothers, you have done it to Me." (Matt. 25:40)
@minchihchao Not exactly sure what you said, but Yes, as long as our focus is always on Jesus. His church is certainly is bride, though an imperfect one which He will one day make perfect. I agree with you that all glory, honor, and adoration should be given to Jesus, not His church, Be blessed!
Consider the context of what your quoting. Making a joyful noise? Who wrote that? Is that scriptural authority for musical instruments? Read amos 6:5 that tells us that it wasn't authorised?
@chicagomanhydepark you're taking a verse out of context. Amos 6:5 is talking about those are using music in abusive ways, being lazy and not honoring the Lord. If you go to Psalm 150 and other Psalms, the whole passage is about praising the Lord with the musical instrument. If you're going to use the O.T. in an argument, you better be able to accept all of the O.T. Be blessed
Love how all you "Church of Christ" folks on here are saying that this isn't a true COC because they're clapping and using instruments!!! The true definition of the church of Christ is EVERYONE who has accepted Jesus as their savior.Most Christians believe in instruments, it's just most Church of Christ Christians who don't.
hallelujah for the Body..!!!brother and sisters..what wee need to build-up the Body is to preach the Gospel..amen im brother Rodel here from phillipines..wants to meet some brothers and sisters in Christ...!!
hallelujah for the Body..!!!brother and sisters..what wee need to build-up the Body is to preach the Gospel..amen im brother Rodel here from phillipines..wants to meet some brothers and sisters in Christ...!!
This is a good example of a church that is not the church of Christ yet put the name on the sign. The name is just as important as the doctrine, construction, and practice.
@paden981 "This is a good example of a church that is not the church of Christ yet put the name on the sign." So, in order to qualify for the church of Christ you have to worship correctly, rather than put on the steps of salvation (believe, confess, repent, be baptized). Sounds like this is what you are saying.
Man's thoughts are not higher than God's thoughts, nor our ways higher than His. Yet we find so many claiming Christ as their Master who put their own philosophies of allowing instruments in worship instead of "speaking where the Bible speaks, and remaining silent where the Bible is silent". The entire principle of allowing instruments in NT worship is flawed and tainted with MAN's desire and ideas, rather than striving to be EXACTLY what God wants. Are instruments truly so important to risk it?
Any argument FOR mechanical instruments in worship is lacking New Testament backing in example, command, or inference. Instead, every argument runs to one of two areas, either the Old Testament, or man's own beliefs built upon another foundation than Jesus Christ. We are no longer under the old law, so going back to it for how to worship would also dictate we sacrifice daily, but we know that Christ made one sacrifice once for all. Just as the method of sacrifice changed, so has praise to God.
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Actually the "Church of Christ" is not "glorious!" It is Jesus Christ Himself who is truly "glorious!" Let no other name or church be above His name! I preached in the Church of Christ for 20 years. There are a lot of good folks in that body who I believe to be saved. But it is true that legalism is very strong in the church and some error in the teaching. I think the title of this video shows the mentality. It says church first, Jesus second! May Jesus' name forever be praised!
@dmdk66 Notice that's why in the lyrics it is not the "Church of Christ" be the "church of Christ," not the name of any specific denomination but the church which belongs to Christ! As believers we become members of the body and thus we become one with Christ. In this way the body truly is glorious!
@mrromans I agree with your last statement. However, your first statement was misapplied. I wasn't referring to the lyrics but the title of this video clip! Please read the caption above the clip! And in regard to the church of Christ. I was a preacher in that faith system for over 20 years so obviously I'm very familar with the teaching and the thinking. Yet inspite of some biblical error, I consider many to be "born again" Christians
What this brother meant, is that this is not the church of christ you were in, not the demonination called the church of Christ. They were simply referring to the church which belongs to Christ
@dmdk66 not man-made glory but the glory from expressing Christ by taking in His life to be the same as He is in life and in nature but not in the Godhead as the object of worship. Just "the church" not "The Church of Christ". The church is the body of Christ and therefore one with Christ and by the expression of Christ His glory is manifested through the church His body. Hallelujah for the body! Praise the Lord!
There is within my heart a melody (not on a page, not from a power point picture but from my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ)!!! I am baptized (immersed, engulfed) in Christ and did repent and have been forgiven. I was baptized in water as a result of my salvation and the love of Jesus.
Did the hardhearted people that attend the Church of Christ read the scripture that clearly states, "REJOICE IN THE LORD ALWAYS AND AGAIN I SAY REJOICE"? And if no rejoicing by being joyful is allowed and no joyful emotions, then no crying is allowed either for sure. They are robotic fools. And if no instruments then no power point either FOR SURE. Read the bible again you who think you are the true (truth) of Christ's Church FOR THE FIRST TIME!
God is all-knowing and completely sovereign. He instructed us to do EXACTLY what He wanted. Anything to the contrary would be completely out of His character from everything else we can read of His character in the Bible. God shouldn't and didn't make a list of everything we CAN'T or SHOULDN'T do in the Bible. He, in His wisdom, only instructed us on few "don'ts" and the rest are what we SHOULD do, and that should be sufficient for us who truly strive to do HIS will, not ours.
If I were to have a child and tell him/her that for my birthday I wanted a chocolate cake w/ white icing, my child would understand that fully. Now if my child FULLY obeyed me, they would do exactly as I requested, because they love me and want to please me. But what if THEY want sprinkles, and I didn't specifically say NO sprinkles. Should I be pleased at my child's partial adherence to me for the cake, but also the addition of the sprinkles only for themselves for a cake FOR ME? No!
The ONLY reason I have EVER heard defending instruments/clapping in worship is for the worshiper's benefit (i.e. a thought process of "worship is for me"), and NEVER because it is what they think God WANTS. On the opposite, those who oppose instrumental worship almost always are defending their position because they want the sanctity of the worship to the Father to be unblemished and without doubt, because after all, worship is primarily to God and therefore should be done as HE wants.
Let me elaborate. With the scripture's absence on commanding the adding to the method of worship as you've done, you cannot be 100% sure it is what He wants. In other words, if you have ANY doubt, and continue to go through such an action, it is sin (Romans 14:23). This context of verses also shows that if an action that is done which may not be actually contrary to God's will causes a brother to stumble, it should be done away with and not partaken of.
Actually you're incorrect. The greek word "Psallo" is used in the N.T. "to sing and make melody..." The first definition of that word is "to sing with a stringed instrument" but the Church of Christ uses the second meaning because it fits their beliefs better. Even though we're not under the old covenant we see's God's presence in the temple along with all the trumpeters, etc. We shouldn't be so legalistic about this issue. Psalm 150 is a wonderful passage about the instrument.
@bigzachus You're right. Using the first meaning of the word "Psallo" it would read, "sing with a stringed instrument and make music in your heart to the Lord." And the instrument has been used for good purposes. when King Saul was influenced by an evil spirit, whenever David played the harp the evil spirit left him. More and more in the church of Christ system are agreeing that the use of the instrument in worship is acceptable. It's not the instrument that's in question, but the heart!
John 4:24 "God is a spirit, and they that worship Him MUST worship Him in spirit and in truth." This video has shown that this congregation is jointly worshiping the Almighty in spirit, yes. And the hymn's lyrics themselves can be sung in spirit and in truth, yes. However, there is NO way this can be in truth.
I UNDERSTAND what the argument about how God's word doesn't specifically "ban" instrumental worship, or clapping for that matter, and some even point out that angels will blow trumpets on judgment day, which is true. However, God, in His sovereign, just, loving, and true nature, would tell us if He WANTED more to worship than what His word already dictates. And who are we to come to the conclusion that His silence gives us permission? We are merely His creation, weak and frail.
@rothfus7 His silence doesn't mean a ban on something either. He doesn't drop the Bible out of the sky and say, "good luck, I hope you get it right!" If this was a matter of salvation, God would be very clear with His children. If I refuse to tell a young child not to run out in the street, would I be a good parent? God doesn't want us to get locked into legalism, and argue over this little thing here and the other thing. Our focus should be on a relationship with Jesus Christ.
@dmdk66 Your illustration of refusing to tell a child not to run in the street is not completely accurate. You don't have to use a "thou shalt not" to tell the child not to play in the street. If you teach your child the importance and power of your word as a parent and tell it to play in the front yard, you have in essence told it not to play anywhere else. If God had to say "Thou shalt not" for everything the religious world has come up with, the Bible would be endless.
@rothfus7 wow, I'm surprised you're kids are still alive! You state an interesting ideal but we don't live in perfect humanity.It is an imperfect world with imperfect people.If the practice of something leads one to eternal destruction, of course it will be mentioned by the Lord!Our faith is not based on luck and guess work. Numerous times our Lord warned us of Hell and what not to do.He spoke of sins leading to death.Your legalism has blinded your thinking.I'm praying for you brother.God bless
@dmdk66 Also, why are those in the religious world so adamant about using the instruments in worship when they can give no example, inference, or command for such. There is no record or inference of the first century brethren using such. Why do men think their opinion is so much more above the Almighty's that if they THINK it is ok, though not backed by NT scripture, they follow that rather than simply take God at His word? Whatever happened to if there is ANY doubt, don't do it? (Rom. 14:22-23)
@rothfus7 Sounds like the arguments I used when I was a preacher in the CoC! Take off the blinders of legalism and look at the Bible again.Eph. 5:19 says to sing, the greek word is Psallo.The first def. of that word is "to sing with stringed instrument." Look it up.It's nice that you had a time machine to go back to the 1st century.Do you think the NT mentions every church and church mtg during those days?Even in the OT, God's train filled the temple when the trumpters were playing.
@dmdk66 Whenever David played his harp, the evil spirt in Saul left. Psalm 150 is a celebration of praising God with instruments. If this was such a terrible thought unto the Lord, why make it seem so wonderful. Do you think the Holy Spirit erred by doing this? Instead of focusing on the externals shouldn't we be focusing more on the internals? How about grace, love, peace...how about the fruits of the Spirit.
@dmdk66 My friend you are realy mislead. Let us reason together from the scriptures more closely at this matter. The turth is psallo has a differnt definition than that today and if you wish to argue that definition then you still are looking at the verse correctly. At the same time you are also making it a commandment for everyone to play an intrument if they are to be in acordance with God's will. I am sad to hear you used to be a preach for the church yet were to weak to stand for it.
@paden981 It's amazing how you can so easily twist my words and sentences! The bottom line is that instrumental music in the church is a minor issue. One can worship with or without it and be pleasing unto the Lord. Your legalistic judgment regarding why I left the church of Christ shows a shallow assessment of my call, without walking in my shoes. Actually it's because I stood up for the truth that caused me to leave the church of Christ! Your legalistic attitude was the main reason I left!
@dmdk66 I am actualy a member on a church of Christ forum that has many people who have left the church of Christ. I am pretty much the only member of the church on the board because most get tired of argueing there because there all closed hearts. Now haveing said that they all have the same common reasom for leaving the church. Attitude. The dont like the attitudes of people in the church but as far as doctrine and biblical reason its like pulling teeth to get a reason. So please lets talk.
@paden981 Secondly, "my friend," you really need to learn how to spell! Truth is not "turth." Different is not "differnt." Instrument is not "intrument." Accordance is not "acordance." Preacher is not "preach." If you're going to throw your hat in the ring and argue your opinion, you at least need to be able to communicate.
@dmdk66 My spelling isnt the problem rather its the typing. I type something out real quick and generaly dont take the time to look back over it when what I type is a short comment. IF you would like to carry a conversation then let us take this conversation to email or to the youtube message system. As for being a legalist that doesnt bother me because it has nothing to do with what we were talking about. If you want to talk about legalism then find but dont jump topics to avoid another.
@paden981 Your mind seems fairly closed based upon your responses so further discussion seems futile. Actually attitude does have something to do with what we're talking about. Without a spirit of openness, arrows are shot but no hearts are open. One of the things that the church of Christ taught me that was very good was "a chapter and verse" for what you believe. Not all my experiences were bad. But topics such as instrumental music, baptism, indwelling of the Holy Spirit, etc are off.
@dmdk66 My mind is closed? I assure you I am a young person and my mind rests with the Bible. If I am doing something that is not correct with scriptures I will change. I have not found anything yet even though I have come across some very challenging things. The thing I always tend to relearn at times is no matter how assuring something may be there is always another view and both views must be looked at. I have had my views challenged but they have held strong so far.
@dmdk66 Also I was not twisting your words. You had made a comment about psallo that was wrong and therefor I made a comment about psallo and how it is used and how it can be taken. Now as for this being a minor issue let me propose a question to you. If it doesn't matter how we worship then does it matter if we worship at all? Now I am geting from your comments that your problem with the church of CHrist was legalism which realy what you are reffering to is the attitude.
Sadly, as soon as I clicked on this video and the sound came on, I thought that it was video from a denomination, with the title being sarcastic toward the true church and our steadfastness. Then after reading the comments and seeing people defend the instruments and clapping, it saddened me even more. The thing that truly makes my heart ache is seeing how many young people are not only EXPOSED to this, but actually get into this thinking there is absolutely NO problem with it.
@rothfus7 I don't think that people were so much defending instruments and clapping as much as they were defending joy and celebration in worshipping a God who has loved us and forgiven us. I personally respect people who worship or don't worship with musical instruments.
These are brothers and sister who love the Lord, the body of Christ(The Church) lets just enjoy the Lord and his members. Amen I am a member of his body.
Non-Institutional Churches, Institutional Churches, and Whiskey Tango Foxtrot was that on the video. Moderation in all things; ergo, I'm the one in the middle.
as for the whole instrumental music being bad discussion that a lot of CoC's like to bring up. I am CoC and there is nowhere in the bible that bans instruments. the argument on this is ridiculous. you can't use "the silence of the bible" versus the bible itself.
There are Sound Churches of Christ and there are Liberal Churches of Christ. You just have to Judge for yourself. They are not all True Churches of Christ ,But God says you will know them, The Bible is written on a 6 th or 7th grade level. it is very easy to Understand. Most comments on here if not all made by Christians were just commenting on the Songs they listened to , It is the other people who have a problem with the Lord and his word. Read Read Read We cant Quote for everybody
For those who don't believe God approves musical instruments, I guess when Gabriel blows the horn you all will say, that has nothing to do with God and miss out on Heaven. Ya'll better get it together cause right now, you're like those foolish virgins who had no oil.
Gabriel isn't a member of the Church. The church is under a different Testament than the Hebrews as well, so you're not making any sense. If that's the case, if you want to link Angels to the Church, then no women can be in the church, as there are only male Angels, No female angels have even been listed in the Bible, so when you make parallels, try to think.
Look at Acts 17:25 in reference to worshipping with the hands and in Amos 6 (zion is a reference to the church).
@fareel2368 Are you implying that we will miss out on Heaven simply because we take God completely at His word and don't read any other doctrine into it so as to fit the ideas or desires of man's itching ears?
If musical instruments were so vital to worship and to God's pleasure that He would keep us from Heaven for not practicing using the instruments, then the Just God He is would have surely made command for such, just as He did for singing, praying, etc.
First let us read the history of the Church of Christ
The Catholic Church (started in 33 by Jesus himself) was originally called (some still called it) the Church of Christ in the year 107 Ignatius of Antioch called the Early Christians "Katholikos" Universal or All Nations (Matthew 28:19-20)
In 1836 Warren Stone and Alexander name thier new denomination "Church of Christ" to decieve people and make ppl to believe that it's Jesus church?
all I can say is I'm so glad I left the church of Christ. Biggest bunch of hypocrites on earth, at least the conservative ones. THey spend so much time trying to prove to others they're THE CHURCH (not true) and stuff and they think they're better than others. I'm glad I've found a TRUE Christian church, one that actually celebrates Jesus!
Amen these are simply members of Christ Living Body brothers and sisters in the Lords recovery. There are localities in majority of the states. I meet in the Church in Lawrence NJ. Amen
bear in mind when we come to the meeting we shud not touch our brothers emotion but instead the spirit.. for the Body of Christ to be built up!!!
amen clapping our hands is one way for us to enjoy and be in our mingled spirit..Praise the LOrd, ill pray for u brothers that the Lord may gain and preserve u..He loves u..
as an ex-Church of Christ member, I want you to clearly tell me where the Bible says: to be hypocritical, judgemental, boastful, legalistic, etc? Instead of nit-picking the Bible and trying to use it to justify things Jesus never said, try to actually live out Jesus' REAL message! Feed the hungry, help the poor, minister to the sad and lonely, etc. I've never seen a COC that does any of that. So glad I left, and even gladder I finally know what being a real Christian is!!
Just as I said. God didn't want us to be legalistic. He wanted to live as Christ lived. COC is so concerned with the little details they miss the big picture!
I agree, we must live as Christ lived. In fact we must live just as Christ lived without leaving out any part (James 2:10). Jesus did want us to feed the hungry, help the poor etc... He also wanted us to make disciples of all nations (Mat 28:18-20, Mark 16:15-16) He also wants us to give up everything and follow him (Luke14:25-33). Jesus was a fisher of men, he came to seek and save the lost, that was his entire purpose, shouldn't that be ours? I wanna know what u think.
of course, but are you from the COC? Most COC focus on stupid nit-picky details and miss the BIG poitn--that we are saved by grace even though we don't deserve it and that God doesn't expect us to be perfect.
Absolutely, nobody deserves salvation. Most of the controversy is in the process God gives us through his Word to cross from the darkness to the light. Obviously not everyone is saved, so there has to be a way to become saved and to help save others. I'd love to talk to you more about this, because if there is anything in this world we should focus on, it's how to make it to heaven. My name is Kyle and i'm part of the Empire City ICC. If you want i'll give u my # to talk more
@saxysai I know you wrote this a year ago, but I would still like to respond. I've been in the CoC, it was a small congregation and I don't recognize anything you are saying. The people in the church I attended were very loving, caring and always trying to help other people.
As for me and my house we will serve the Lord all night, all day, rejoicing always. Whatever we do in thought, word, or deed do it in the name of Jesus. You use the bible and God for your own pompous, arrogant worship.
Scripture says, "It is good for a man to not touch a woman", so why does your church allow hand shaking with woman? How can you make the melody to a song with your heart? You have to use your voice box and is that your heart? No way. There is within your heart a melody and that is Jesus' Spirit.
Do it all in the name of Jesus (thought, word, deed). Bashing denominations and using power point is something that Jesus never did. Make a "joyful noise" unto the Lord. Clapping. Oh, I forgot, "No joy allowed". :-)
The love of Jesus is something wonderful. I rejoice in the Lord always! NO POWER POINT in the first church in the book of Acts. Get at life by loving Jesus and put the pompous Pharisee-like attitude away. PLEASE. Your robotic, over and over, telling in sermons how you do everything the right way is as filthy rags.
All my life i always felt that it would not have mattered if i had never existed, i felt like id never done anything important. Then i said something one day to an unbelieving friend about Christ, and i saw that a seed was planted. Wow, when i realised that even just one person could hear the gospel because i was there to share it.. God gave me such a sense of purpose, such a reason to live! Nothing is more amazing than building up the body!
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jesus was just the bastard kid of mary having sex. there is no god, the bible is bullshit stories written by men for morons too stupid to think for themselves, the pope is a pervert, religion causes war and killing. who supports all this church crap?
Georgiadrew, let me give you a definition of atheism. Atheism is intellectual vandalism. People like you are such sad losers because you have no faith to believe so you try to hurt and trash others who have faith. LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE. Go back to whatever it is that makes you happy. Religion doesn't cause war, sin causes war. Lust, greed and all that go with it. Yea, some in religion have done that, but no one that is in love with Jesus Christ. There is a difference and you are a fool.
Wow, you're an idiot. And I'm not even religious. You must be quite an unhappy cynical person and insecure in your world view to feel a need to trash other people's beliefs to validate your lack thereof.
It dumbfounds me that they won't use music. Yet, clapping is a form of music. I've been told it was because music isn't mentioned in the New Covenant. If so, that is ignorance of the covenant. The covenant is not about music, it's about a sacrifice. David's Psalms using music had nothing to do with the Covenant, it's a song book. God is perfectly okay with the use of instruments.
The church is one spiritually, but ecumenicalism is just an attempt by the papal "church" to gain more wordly power by absorbing all the believers who have escaped her grasp.
Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites and vipers. He turned the tables over in the temple and loosed the animals. In fact, animals seem calmer than people that are greedy and have the root of all evil on their minds, "the LOVE of money". Money is not evil but the LOVE OF MONEY is the ROOT OF ALL EVIL. It might be time for Jesus to turn the tables over again (just something for thought). :-)
Traditionally the church of Christ follows the maxim of speaks where the Bible speaks, silent where the Bible is silent, so we don't just do things that aren't forbidden.
MrEhud..no church can forbid what God hasn't fobidden in his Word..or else you will be likened to the sadducees and pharisees..condemning Jesus' decsiples for not washing hands etc..
datnyone, you really read what I wrote, and think it has anything to do with what you just said? Think of the church of Christ as the lowest common denominator. Other things may not be sinful or wrong, but the church of Christ doesn't DO anything that is not specified in the Bible, well at least that's the theory.
So why do you use Power Point? Your excuse is that the Bible is silent about it to keep your pompous worship and the legalistic bashing of other Christians alive. Shame on your church.
The book of Amos Ch 6: 3,4,5 God was ending the instrument use . He said he would not hear their songs ( Chants) to a Viol,He went onto say ( and Invent to themselves Instrument s of Musick like David ) Lets not forget David was not without sin, God was not pleased with everything he did. Remember he had Bathsheba husband put in the front line of battle so he would surely be killed and he was. He was not pleased with the wayThe people used them
in the new testement jesus in the parable of the lost son used the word music in celebration of the lost sons return. guess God re instated it. music was not really the issue col 3:17
not really you read those scriptures completly out of context. These people were worshipping fake gods, and they made music to worship them just as David made music to worship the real God.
This was a time when God was fixing to let babylon destroy them. but you know if you read Nehemiah which was after amos you see that music instruments was back in the temple. So roughly 300 years later we see Music back in worship
@datnyone Just because a building has a "scriptural name" on the sign out front does NOT mean it is filled with true children of God. Just as you proved with how you labeled those TITLES, you capitalized church and showed that you have no true knowledge of what the church is. Nowhere in God's word do you find it capitalized to be as a formal title but rather just a descriptive term. While the name they call themselves is important, what they practice and teach is just as, if not more important.
be sure in you walk with the lord, your enjoyment should surpass everything, if your not enjoying its still good being around saints, and people will talk but my enjoyment with the lord overides nonsense. im just happy 2 see saint praising the lord in enjoyment!xxxxxxxx
Ephesians 5:15-21 Making melody in your heart to God. We are Spiritually Praising God. How do we do that? Is though our Vessel Only, That God has gave us for Righteous purposes only. 1 Thes. 4: 3-8
The coc has nothing at all to do with the icoc!I was involved with the crossroads movement, or boston church of christ,which is now icoc it is a cult! Do some homework before calling coc a cult.They have many expose on crossroads. I thank God Iam a member of the lords church,not some man made denomination!
One thing people have to remember is the CoC doesn't have a president or pope or anything like that so each church is different. I'm CoC and our church is a basic old fashioned church with people who have wide range of views. Hell I'm even a Communist and CoC. You can't lump every CoC together.
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The Bible is very clear that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone (John 1:12; John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:21-30; Romans 4:5; Romans 10:9-10; Ephesians 2:8-10; Philippians 3:9; Galatians 2:16).
uwique 2 weeks ago
mrfalconlem....hav u not herd that it is wonderful 2 make a joyful noise 2 the lord...absolutely lov the church life..com along..im sure theres a local church near u??over my 25 year span of searching i came across the church life 18 years ago...an hav never looked bak...im home.... hallelujah 4 the body... satan trembls at the body...wer victorious..in the body..hallelujah 4 the lord has made us 1....another word of encouragement mcfaconlem....colour is of no significant 2 the church life...
tonibarnett01 3 months ago
Sing with the Spirit.....Neither is worshipped with men' hands. These scriptures need to be repeated from the leadership at this congregation. All the New Testament speaks on is singing. Jesus is coming soon, lets get ready saints. Ask questions, read the scriptures, repeat the scriptures, pray, & use your sword instead of submitting to any way that is manmade. Even if its our own brethren.
Gal.2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Wilsonrdcoc 8 months ago
ACTS.17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things.
ICorinthians.14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the Spirit, and I will pray with the unserstanding also: I will sing with the Spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
This is the ordinance that God set in "His Church", and it must be respected and obeyed in order for God to accept the worship, & so one can continue the fellowship.
Wilsonrdcoc 8 months ago
@minchihchao Even though Christ's glory may rub off on His bride, still He is the only one deserving all glory and honor and not the church. God bless you
dmdk66 8 months ago
@dmdk66 amen brother! The Lord deserves all glory and we do not! We only get it by taking Him as our life supply and express Him! All man-made glory put to shame compared to Him! Hallelujah for the Lord imparting life into His body and expressing glory through His body!
minchihchao 8 months ago
@minchihchao we don't get the glory at all! All glory belongs to the Lord only, and no one else! You're right. Also we don't praise the church but the Lord Jesus. God bless!
dmdk66 7 months ago
@dmdk66 That is why the Lord asked Saul,"...Saul, why are you persecuting Me?" (Acts 9:4) That the Lord shall not be glorified objectively. Just as mingling with the saints and enjoying the Lord is a body matter, the Lord being glorified through His Body is also a body matter, except in the Godhead as the object of worship. For He who answered to those who have given Him a drink, "...inasmuch as you have done it to one of these, the least of My brothers, you have done it to Me." (Matt. 25:40)
minchihchao 7 months ago
@minchihchao Not exactly sure what you said, but Yes, as long as our focus is always on Jesus. His church is certainly is bride, though an imperfect one which He will one day make perfect. I agree with you that all glory, honor, and adoration should be given to Jesus, not His church, Be blessed!
dmdk66 7 months ago
Consider the context of what your quoting. Making a joyful noise? Who wrote that? Is that scriptural authority for musical instruments? Read amos 6:5 that tells us that it wasn't authorised?
chicagomanhydepark 8 months ago
@chicagomanhydepark you're taking a verse out of context. Amos 6:5 is talking about those are using music in abusive ways, being lazy and not honoring the Lord. If you go to Psalm 150 and other Psalms, the whole passage is about praising the Lord with the musical instrument. If you're going to use the O.T. in an argument, you better be able to accept all of the O.T. Be blessed
dmdk66 7 months ago
church of Christ does not clap nor use instruments.
babycedes20 10 months ago
Hallelujah, in His Body the Lord has made us one!
Unraked 11 months ago
And may I also add that when they say "church of Christ" in their song, they are referring to ALL believers in Christ.
thepride724 11 months ago
Love how all you "Church of Christ" folks on here are saying that this isn't a true COC because they're clapping and using instruments!!! The true definition of the church of Christ is EVERYONE who has accepted Jesus as their savior.Most Christians believe in instruments, it's just most Church of Christ Christians who don't.
With that said, great song and great video!
thepride724 11 months ago
OK
1991rodz 1 year ago
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1991rodz 1 year ago 2
hallelujah for the Body..!!!brother and sisters..what wee need to build the Body is to preach the Gospel..amen
1991rodz 1 year ago
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1991rodz 1 year ago
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1991rodz 1 year ago
This is a good example of a church that is not the church of Christ yet put the name on the sign. The name is just as important as the doctrine, construction, and practice.
Collosians 3:16, Ephesians 5:19
paden981 1 year ago
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@paden981 "This is a good example of a church that is not the church of Christ yet put the name on the sign." So, in order to qualify for the church of Christ you have to worship correctly, rather than put on the steps of salvation (believe, confess, repent, be baptized). Sounds like this is what you are saying.
thepride724 2 months ago
I know God didn't instruct instrumental music while in worship!!
bwilliams531 1 year ago
that is hilarious
MrTommyT1000 1 year ago
More of you clapping freaks.. man alive. I don't think god said clap.
mrFalconlem 1 year ago 8
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Freaks???? Really?
FanOfLiberty1776 1 year ago
yeah... break out the love beads...
mrFalconlem 10 months ago
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SuperNate86 10 months ago
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@mrFalconlem Well in the bible it says to make "a joyful noise unto the Lord" but your just going to hate, cause thats your job...
SuperNate86 10 months ago
@mrFalconlem then tell me my brother what is doing a man or a woman which are voiceless to show their happieness?!
anyway is ok open your eyes to see use your ears to hear!
Feinerreimer 2 months ago
I smoked crack with the pastor of this church at a iron maiden concert
stupidjerk42094 1 year ago
looks like only the biblicists and those obeying god 24-7 and dont sin will be in heaven
kerry1053 1 year ago
Man's thoughts are not higher than God's thoughts, nor our ways higher than His. Yet we find so many claiming Christ as their Master who put their own philosophies of allowing instruments in worship instead of "speaking where the Bible speaks, and remaining silent where the Bible is silent". The entire principle of allowing instruments in NT worship is flawed and tainted with MAN's desire and ideas, rather than striving to be EXACTLY what God wants. Are instruments truly so important to risk it?
rothfus7 1 year ago
Any argument FOR mechanical instruments in worship is lacking New Testament backing in example, command, or inference. Instead, every argument runs to one of two areas, either the Old Testament, or man's own beliefs built upon another foundation than Jesus Christ. We are no longer under the old law, so going back to it for how to worship would also dictate we sacrifice daily, but we know that Christ made one sacrifice once for all. Just as the method of sacrifice changed, so has praise to God.
rothfus7 1 year ago
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theseeker2k5 1 year ago
Actually the "Church of Christ" is not "glorious!" It is Jesus Christ Himself who is truly "glorious!" Let no other name or church be above His name! I preached in the Church of Christ for 20 years. There are a lot of good folks in that body who I believe to be saved. But it is true that legalism is very strong in the church and some error in the teaching. I think the title of this video shows the mentality. It says church first, Jesus second! May Jesus' name forever be praised!
dmdk66 2 years ago
@dmdk66 Notice that's why in the lyrics it is not the "Church of Christ" be the "church of Christ," not the name of any specific denomination but the church which belongs to Christ! As believers we become members of the body and thus we become one with Christ. In this way the body truly is glorious!
mrromans 2 years ago
@mrromans I agree with your last statement. However, your first statement was misapplied. I wasn't referring to the lyrics but the title of this video clip! Please read the caption above the clip! And in regard to the church of Christ. I was a preacher in that faith system for over 20 years so obviously I'm very familar with the teaching and the thinking. Yet inspite of some biblical error, I consider many to be "born again" Christians
dmdk66 2 years ago
@dmdk66
What this brother meant, is that this is not the church of christ you were in, not the demonination called the church of Christ. They were simply referring to the church which belongs to Christ
xCaar 1 year ago
@xCaar if that's the case, it's still wrong. We don't glorify the church but rather Christ Jesus!
dmdk66 1 year ago
So true! Thanks.
catenadine 2 years ago
@dmdk66 not man-made glory but the glory from expressing Christ by taking in His life to be the same as He is in life and in nature but not in the Godhead as the object of worship. Just "the church" not "The Church of Christ". The church is the body of Christ and therefore one with Christ and by the expression of Christ His glory is manifested through the church His body. Hallelujah for the body! Praise the Lord!
minchihchao 8 months ago
There is within my heart a melody (not on a page, not from a power point picture but from my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ)!!! I am baptized (immersed, engulfed) in Christ and did repent and have been forgiven. I was baptized in water as a result of my salvation and the love of Jesus.
catenadine 2 years ago
Did the hardhearted people that attend the Church of Christ read the scripture that clearly states, "REJOICE IN THE LORD ALWAYS AND AGAIN I SAY REJOICE"? And if no rejoicing by being joyful is allowed and no joyful emotions, then no crying is allowed either for sure. They are robotic fools. And if no instruments then no power point either FOR SURE. Read the bible again you who think you are the true (truth) of Christ's Church FOR THE FIRST TIME!
catenadine 2 years ago
God is all-knowing and completely sovereign. He instructed us to do EXACTLY what He wanted. Anything to the contrary would be completely out of His character from everything else we can read of His character in the Bible. God shouldn't and didn't make a list of everything we CAN'T or SHOULDN'T do in the Bible. He, in His wisdom, only instructed us on few "don'ts" and the rest are what we SHOULD do, and that should be sufficient for us who truly strive to do HIS will, not ours.
rothfus7 2 years ago
If I were to have a child and tell him/her that for my birthday I wanted a chocolate cake w/ white icing, my child would understand that fully. Now if my child FULLY obeyed me, they would do exactly as I requested, because they love me and want to please me. But what if THEY want sprinkles, and I didn't specifically say NO sprinkles. Should I be pleased at my child's partial adherence to me for the cake, but also the addition of the sprinkles only for themselves for a cake FOR ME? No!
rothfus7 2 years ago
The ONLY reason I have EVER heard defending instruments/clapping in worship is for the worshiper's benefit (i.e. a thought process of "worship is for me"), and NEVER because it is what they think God WANTS. On the opposite, those who oppose instrumental worship almost always are defending their position because they want the sanctity of the worship to the Father to be unblemished and without doubt, because after all, worship is primarily to God and therefore should be done as HE wants.
rothfus7 2 years ago
Let me elaborate. With the scripture's absence on commanding the adding to the method of worship as you've done, you cannot be 100% sure it is what He wants. In other words, if you have ANY doubt, and continue to go through such an action, it is sin (Romans 14:23). This context of verses also shows that if an action that is done which may not be actually contrary to God's will causes a brother to stumble, it should be done away with and not partaken of.
rothfus7 2 years ago
Actually you're incorrect. The greek word "Psallo" is used in the N.T. "to sing and make melody..." The first definition of that word is "to sing with a stringed instrument" but the Church of Christ uses the second meaning because it fits their beliefs better. Even though we're not under the old covenant we see's God's presence in the temple along with all the trumpeters, etc. We shouldn't be so legalistic about this issue. Psalm 150 is a wonderful passage about the instrument.
dmdk66 2 years ago
@dmdk66 It says to sing and make melody IN YOUR HEART...
bigzachus 1 year ago
@dmdk66 It says to sing and make melody IN YOUR HEART... let's try to use the whole verse next time!
bigzachus 1 year ago
@bigzachus You're right. Using the first meaning of the word "Psallo" it would read, "sing with a stringed instrument and make music in your heart to the Lord." And the instrument has been used for good purposes. when King Saul was influenced by an evil spirit, whenever David played the harp the evil spirit left him. More and more in the church of Christ system are agreeing that the use of the instrument in worship is acceptable. It's not the instrument that's in question, but the heart!
dmdk66 1 year ago
John 4:24 "God is a spirit, and they that worship Him MUST worship Him in spirit and in truth." This video has shown that this congregation is jointly worshiping the Almighty in spirit, yes. And the hymn's lyrics themselves can be sung in spirit and in truth, yes. However, there is NO way this can be in truth.
rothfus7 2 years ago
I UNDERSTAND what the argument about how God's word doesn't specifically "ban" instrumental worship, or clapping for that matter, and some even point out that angels will blow trumpets on judgment day, which is true. However, God, in His sovereign, just, loving, and true nature, would tell us if He WANTED more to worship than what His word already dictates. And who are we to come to the conclusion that His silence gives us permission? We are merely His creation, weak and frail.
rothfus7 2 years ago
@rothfus7 His silence doesn't mean a ban on something either. He doesn't drop the Bible out of the sky and say, "good luck, I hope you get it right!" If this was a matter of salvation, God would be very clear with His children. If I refuse to tell a young child not to run out in the street, would I be a good parent? God doesn't want us to get locked into legalism, and argue over this little thing here and the other thing. Our focus should be on a relationship with Jesus Christ.
dmdk66 1 year ago
@dmdk66 Your illustration of refusing to tell a child not to run in the street is not completely accurate. You don't have to use a "thou shalt not" to tell the child not to play in the street. If you teach your child the importance and power of your word as a parent and tell it to play in the front yard, you have in essence told it not to play anywhere else. If God had to say "Thou shalt not" for everything the religious world has come up with, the Bible would be endless.
rothfus7 1 year ago
@rothfus7 wow, I'm surprised you're kids are still alive! You state an interesting ideal but we don't live in perfect humanity.It is an imperfect world with imperfect people.If the practice of something leads one to eternal destruction, of course it will be mentioned by the Lord!Our faith is not based on luck and guess work. Numerous times our Lord warned us of Hell and what not to do.He spoke of sins leading to death.Your legalism has blinded your thinking.I'm praying for you brother.God bless
dmdk66 1 year ago
@dmdk66 Also, why are those in the religious world so adamant about using the instruments in worship when they can give no example, inference, or command for such. There is no record or inference of the first century brethren using such. Why do men think their opinion is so much more above the Almighty's that if they THINK it is ok, though not backed by NT scripture, they follow that rather than simply take God at His word? Whatever happened to if there is ANY doubt, don't do it? (Rom. 14:22-23)
rothfus7 1 year ago
@rothfus7 Sounds like the arguments I used when I was a preacher in the CoC! Take off the blinders of legalism and look at the Bible again.Eph. 5:19 says to sing, the greek word is Psallo.The first def. of that word is "to sing with stringed instrument." Look it up.It's nice that you had a time machine to go back to the 1st century.Do you think the NT mentions every church and church mtg during those days?Even in the OT, God's train filled the temple when the trumpters were playing.
dmdk66 1 year ago
@dmdk66 Whenever David played his harp, the evil spirt in Saul left. Psalm 150 is a celebration of praising God with instruments. If this was such a terrible thought unto the Lord, why make it seem so wonderful. Do you think the Holy Spirit erred by doing this? Instead of focusing on the externals shouldn't we be focusing more on the internals? How about grace, love, peace...how about the fruits of the Spirit.
dmdk66 1 year ago
@dmdk66 My friend you are realy mislead. Let us reason together from the scriptures more closely at this matter. The turth is psallo has a differnt definition than that today and if you wish to argue that definition then you still are looking at the verse correctly. At the same time you are also making it a commandment for everyone to play an intrument if they are to be in acordance with God's will. I am sad to hear you used to be a preach for the church yet were to weak to stand for it.
paden981 1 year ago
@paden981 It's amazing how you can so easily twist my words and sentences! The bottom line is that instrumental music in the church is a minor issue. One can worship with or without it and be pleasing unto the Lord. Your legalistic judgment regarding why I left the church of Christ shows a shallow assessment of my call, without walking in my shoes. Actually it's because I stood up for the truth that caused me to leave the church of Christ! Your legalistic attitude was the main reason I left!
dmdk66 1 year ago
@dmdk66 I am actualy a member on a church of Christ forum that has many people who have left the church of Christ. I am pretty much the only member of the church on the board because most get tired of argueing there because there all closed hearts. Now haveing said that they all have the same common reasom for leaving the church. Attitude. The dont like the attitudes of people in the church but as far as doctrine and biblical reason its like pulling teeth to get a reason. So please lets talk.
paden981 1 year ago
@paden981 Secondly, "my friend," you really need to learn how to spell! Truth is not "turth." Different is not "differnt." Instrument is not "intrument." Accordance is not "acordance." Preacher is not "preach." If you're going to throw your hat in the ring and argue your opinion, you at least need to be able to communicate.
dmdk66 1 year ago
@dmdk66 My spelling isnt the problem rather its the typing. I type something out real quick and generaly dont take the time to look back over it when what I type is a short comment. IF you would like to carry a conversation then let us take this conversation to email or to the youtube message system. As for being a legalist that doesnt bother me because it has nothing to do with what we were talking about. If you want to talk about legalism then find but dont jump topics to avoid another.
paden981 1 year ago
@paden981 Your mind seems fairly closed based upon your responses so further discussion seems futile. Actually attitude does have something to do with what we're talking about. Without a spirit of openness, arrows are shot but no hearts are open. One of the things that the church of Christ taught me that was very good was "a chapter and verse" for what you believe. Not all my experiences were bad. But topics such as instrumental music, baptism, indwelling of the Holy Spirit, etc are off.
dmdk66 1 year ago
@dmdk66 My mind is closed? I assure you I am a young person and my mind rests with the Bible. If I am doing something that is not correct with scriptures I will change. I have not found anything yet even though I have come across some very challenging things. The thing I always tend to relearn at times is no matter how assuring something may be there is always another view and both views must be looked at. I have had my views challenged but they have held strong so far.
paden981 1 year ago
@dmdk66 Also I was not twisting your words. You had made a comment about psallo that was wrong and therefor I made a comment about psallo and how it is used and how it can be taken. Now as for this being a minor issue let me propose a question to you. If it doesn't matter how we worship then does it matter if we worship at all? Now I am geting from your comments that your problem with the church of CHrist was legalism which realy what you are reffering to is the attitude.
See next comment.
paden981 1 year ago
Sadly, as soon as I clicked on this video and the sound came on, I thought that it was video from a denomination, with the title being sarcastic toward the true church and our steadfastness. Then after reading the comments and seeing people defend the instruments and clapping, it saddened me even more. The thing that truly makes my heart ache is seeing how many young people are not only EXPOSED to this, but actually get into this thinking there is absolutely NO problem with it.
rothfus7 2 years ago
@rothfus7 I don't think that people were so much defending instruments and clapping as much as they were defending joy and celebration in worshipping a God who has loved us and forgiven us. I personally respect people who worship or don't worship with musical instruments.
dmdk66 1 year ago
These are brothers and sister who love the Lord, the body of Christ(The Church) lets just enjoy the Lord and his members. Amen I am a member of his body.
gogurtgo4 2 years ago
I stumbled upon this,, this is great!! good to see people really enjoying and loving the Lord
europanzz 2 years ago
Non-Institutional Churches, Institutional Churches, and Whiskey Tango Foxtrot was that on the video. Moderation in all things; ergo, I'm the one in the middle.
glamhistorian 2 years ago
as for the whole instrumental music being bad discussion that a lot of CoC's like to bring up. I am CoC and there is nowhere in the bible that bans instruments. the argument on this is ridiculous. you can't use "the silence of the bible" versus the bible itself.
Finchspielberg 2 years ago
Do Not add to Or Take away from the Scripture, thats what it says sorry
MsAugust68 2 years ago
i hear a piano in the back ground listen is this a Coc who gets down with music, nice breaking away from chains
Acerrak 2 years ago
There are Sound Churches of Christ and there are Liberal Churches of Christ. You just have to Judge for yourself. They are not all True Churches of Christ ,But God says you will know them, The Bible is written on a 6 th or 7th grade level. it is very easy to Understand. Most comments on here if not all made by Christians were just commenting on the Songs they listened to , It is the other people who have a problem with the Lord and his word. Read Read Read We cant Quote for everybody
MsAugust68 2 years ago
clapping?
KentuckyLane1984 2 years ago
You save via Christ Jesus!!!! Thank you!!!!
777Thinking 2 years ago
thank you Lord for the precious members of Your Body enjoying You what a blessing .
hallelujah for the body which is christ himself....
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FelCiBJr 2 years ago
my respect to
christ
djmusic77 2 years ago
For those who don't believe God approves musical instruments, I guess when Gabriel blows the horn you all will say, that has nothing to do with God and miss out on Heaven. Ya'll better get it together cause right now, you're like those foolish virgins who had no oil.
fareel2368 2 years ago
@fareel2368
Gabriel isn't a member of the Church. The church is under a different Testament than the Hebrews as well, so you're not making any sense. If that's the case, if you want to link Angels to the Church, then no women can be in the church, as there are only male Angels, No female angels have even been listed in the Bible, so when you make parallels, try to think.
Look at Acts 17:25 in reference to worshipping with the hands and in Amos 6 (zion is a reference to the church).
pixelsword 1 year ago
@fareel2368 Are you implying that we will miss out on Heaven simply because we take God completely at His word and don't read any other doctrine into it so as to fit the ideas or desires of man's itching ears?
If musical instruments were so vital to worship and to God's pleasure that He would keep us from Heaven for not practicing using the instruments, then the Just God He is would have surely made command for such, just as He did for singing, praying, etc.
Alas, that command is not found.
rothfus7 1 year ago
First let us read the history of the Church of Christ
The Catholic Church (started in 33 by Jesus himself) was originally called (some still called it) the Church of Christ in the year 107 Ignatius of Antioch called the Early Christians "Katholikos" Universal or All Nations (Matthew 28:19-20)
In 1836 Warren Stone and Alexander name thier new denomination "Church of Christ" to decieve people and make ppl to believe that it's Jesus church?
Most of C of C are copied from the RCC
junmeskie 2 years ago
all I can say is I'm so glad I left the church of Christ. Biggest bunch of hypocrites on earth, at least the conservative ones. THey spend so much time trying to prove to others they're THE CHURCH (not true) and stuff and they think they're better than others. I'm glad I've found a TRUE Christian church, one that actually celebrates Jesus!
saxysai 2 years ago
when the roll is called up yonder i'll be there
LukeValentine333 2 years ago
Amen these are simply members of Christ Living Body brothers and sisters in the Lords recovery. There are localities in majority of the states. I meet in the Church in Lawrence NJ. Amen
gogurtgo4 2 years ago 2
Christianity is a fraud. I do not know what percentage of preachers are aware of the fact that it is a fraud, but I suspect it's pretty high.
tommytims 2 years ago
To follow Christ is a fruad? how so?
baddmaddogg 2 years ago
well, inBody of Christ, there are no preachers, there are brothers and sisters enjoying Christ.
ahhitssusie 2 years ago
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daileyaidan 3 years ago
who are these people, and where are they from?
daileyaidan 3 years ago
amen.. Fan ur Spirit into Flame..
bear in mind when we come to the meeting we shud not touch our brothers emotion but instead the spirit.. for the Body of Christ to be built up!!!
amen clapping our hands is one way for us to enjoy and be in our mingled spirit..Praise the LOrd, ill pray for u brothers that the Lord may gain and preserve u..He loves u..
babykomuah 3 years ago
Clapping? Sounds like entertainment. Not a Church of Christ.
EdvisP 3 years ago
i agree with you . the bible say sing and make melody with your heart not sing and clap
tim1980x 3 years ago
didn't the early christians sing?
andersonwire 3 years ago
as an ex-Church of Christ member, I want you to clearly tell me where the Bible says: to be hypocritical, judgemental, boastful, legalistic, etc? Instead of nit-picking the Bible and trying to use it to justify things Jesus never said, try to actually live out Jesus' REAL message! Feed the hungry, help the poor, minister to the sad and lonely, etc. I've never seen a COC that does any of that. So glad I left, and even gladder I finally know what being a real Christian is!!
saxysai 2 years ago
what is being a real Christian?
krazzyky 2 years ago
Just as I said. God didn't want us to be legalistic. He wanted to live as Christ lived. COC is so concerned with the little details they miss the big picture!
saxysai 2 years ago
I agree, we must live as Christ lived. In fact we must live just as Christ lived without leaving out any part (James 2:10). Jesus did want us to feed the hungry, help the poor etc... He also wanted us to make disciples of all nations (Mat 28:18-20, Mark 16:15-16) He also wants us to give up everything and follow him (Luke14:25-33). Jesus was a fisher of men, he came to seek and save the lost, that was his entire purpose, shouldn't that be ours? I wanna know what u think.
krazzyky 2 years ago
of course, but are you from the COC? Most COC focus on stupid nit-picky details and miss the BIG poitn--that we are saved by grace even though we don't deserve it and that God doesn't expect us to be perfect.
saxysai 2 years ago
Absolutely, nobody deserves salvation. Most of the controversy is in the process God gives us through his Word to cross from the darkness to the light. Obviously not everyone is saved, so there has to be a way to become saved and to help save others. I'd love to talk to you more about this, because if there is anything in this world we should focus on, it's how to make it to heaven. My name is Kyle and i'm part of the Empire City ICC. If you want i'll give u my # to talk more
krazzyky 2 years ago
To the General Assembly and Church of the First Born , Come Back Please for you are only running but he hasnt let go of you yet,
MsAugust68 2 years ago
@saxysai I know you wrote this a year ago, but I would still like to respond. I've been in the CoC, it was a small congregation and I don't recognize anything you are saying. The people in the church I attended were very loving, caring and always trying to help other people.
mommynetherlands 1 year ago
As for me and my house we will serve the Lord all night, all day, rejoicing always. Whatever we do in thought, word, or deed do it in the name of Jesus. You use the bible and God for your own pompous, arrogant worship.
catenadine 2 years ago
Scripture says, "It is good for a man to not touch a woman", so why does your church allow hand shaking with woman? How can you make the melody to a song with your heart? You have to use your voice box and is that your heart? No way. There is within your heart a melody and that is Jesus' Spirit.
catenadine 2 years ago
Do it all in the name of Jesus (thought, word, deed). Bashing denominations and using power point is something that Jesus never did. Make a "joyful noise" unto the Lord. Clapping. Oh, I forgot, "No joy allowed". :-)
catenadine 2 years ago
The love of Jesus is something wonderful. I rejoice in the Lord always! NO POWER POINT in the first church in the book of Acts. Get at life by loving Jesus and put the pompous Pharisee-like attitude away. PLEASE. Your robotic, over and over, telling in sermons how you do everything the right way is as filthy rags.
catenadine 2 years ago
Why go to church? I can sit outside in the street and look up in the sky and wait till Jesus comes!!
olh1152 3 years ago
if you're serious...Hebrews 10:25
andersonwire 3 years ago
Praise the Lord for His Church!
All my life i always felt that it would not have mattered if i had never existed, i felt like id never done anything important. Then i said something one day to an unbelieving friend about Christ, and i saw that a seed was planted. Wow, when i realised that even just one person could hear the gospel because i was there to share it.. God gave me such a sense of purpose, such a reason to live! Nothing is more amazing than building up the body!
Jesusmyrest 3 years ago
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jesus was just the bastard kid of mary having sex. there is no god, the bible is bullshit stories written by men for morons too stupid to think for themselves, the pope is a pervert, religion causes war and killing. who supports all this church crap?
georgiadrew 3 years ago
Georgiadrew, let me give you a definition of atheism. Atheism is intellectual vandalism. People like you are such sad losers because you have no faith to believe so you try to hurt and trash others who have faith. LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE. Go back to whatever it is that makes you happy. Religion doesn't cause war, sin causes war. Lust, greed and all that go with it. Yea, some in religion have done that, but no one that is in love with Jesus Christ. There is a difference and you are a fool.
longtalltexan63 3 years ago
psalms 14 is for you! fool!
andersonwire 3 years ago
Wow, you're an idiot. And I'm not even religious. You must be quite an unhappy cynical person and insecure in your world view to feel a need to trash other people's beliefs to validate your lack thereof.
wubuck79 2 years ago
It dumbfounds me that they won't use music. Yet, clapping is a form of music. I've been told it was because music isn't mentioned in the New Covenant. If so, that is ignorance of the covenant. The covenant is not about music, it's about a sacrifice. David's Psalms using music had nothing to do with the Covenant, it's a song book. God is perfectly okay with the use of instruments.
longtalltexan63 3 years ago
Oh Lord Jesus!!!.. that's pretty wonderfull!... Aleluya por el Cuerpo!!! I'm from the church in Costa Rica!! Oh Señor Jesus!!
montsecr28 3 years ago
i remember when i used to be in building like this waisting my time :b
quisqueyatv 3 years ago
The church must be one!
taijicheng 3 years ago
The church is one spiritually, but ecumenicalism is just an attempt by the papal "church" to gain more wordly power by absorbing all the believers who have escaped her grasp.
WorshipInTruth 3 years ago
and the bible is the truth for when we need correction. if you do it all 100% right then you don't need salvation or forgiveness then.
catenadine 2 years ago
why is it that so many different christians can fight eachother?
its been the same stuff for years!
who cares about doctrines and rules?
i've been in this group since i can remember. the LSM, Lord's Recovery, whatever you wanna call it, its just one thing.
God's ppl, christians, his creation worshipping him together= the church
i know im not perfect. if ur not in the church reading this, go ahead call me a cult member, i could care less, i know God is waiting for me :)
hawksfan511 3 years ago
If we do not all believe the same thing, worship the same way, gather under the same name, then it is impossible for us to be the "same"...
Utillitarian 3 years ago
Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites and vipers. He turned the tables over in the temple and loosed the animals. In fact, animals seem calmer than people that are greedy and have the root of all evil on their minds, "the LOVE of money". Money is not evil but the LOVE OF MONEY is the ROOT OF ALL EVIL. It might be time for Jesus to turn the tables over again (just something for thought). :-)
catenadine 2 years ago
Amen, I see you guys were enjoying Christ that day! I pray we enjoy Him every day in our lives as the jubilee!
Tremari0 3 years ago
Which locality is this? Or was this some conference?
daSigsauer 3 years ago
Praise Lord, We are the corporate BODY for the expression of glory of God!
taijicheng 3 years ago
This is not a church of christ...I attend the church if christ all of my life and we do not worship with music instruments of any kind.
teawhy 3 years ago
THe real church of Christ doesnt forbid instuments because the Bible doesnt
datnyone 3 years ago
Traditionally the church of Christ follows the maxim of speaks where the Bible speaks, silent where the Bible is silent, so we don't just do things that aren't forbidden.
MrEhud 3 years ago
MrEhud..no church can forbid what God hasn't fobidden in his Word..or else you will be likened to the sadducees and pharisees..condemning Jesus' decsiples for not washing hands etc..
datnyone 3 years ago
datnyone, you really read what I wrote, and think it has anything to do with what you just said? Think of the church of Christ as the lowest common denominator. Other things may not be sinful or wrong, but the church of Christ doesn't DO anything that is not specified in the Bible, well at least that's the theory.
MrEhud 3 years ago
So why do you use Power Point? Your excuse is that the Bible is silent about it to keep your pompous worship and the legalistic bashing of other Christians alive. Shame on your church.
catenadine 2 years ago
The book of Amos Ch 6: 3,4,5 God was ending the instrument use . He said he would not hear their songs ( Chants) to a Viol,He went onto say ( and Invent to themselves Instrument s of Musick like David ) Lets not forget David was not without sin, God was not pleased with everything he did. Remember he had Bathsheba husband put in the front line of battle so he would surely be killed and he was. He was not pleased with the wayThe people used them
MsAugust68 2 years ago
in the new testement jesus in the parable of the lost son used the word music in celebration of the lost sons return. guess God re instated it. music was not really the issue col 3:17
Acerrak 2 years ago
not really you read those scriptures completly out of context. These people were worshipping fake gods, and they made music to worship them just as David made music to worship the real God.
This was a time when God was fixing to let babylon destroy them. but you know if you read Nehemiah which was after amos you see that music instruments was back in the temple. So roughly 300 years later we see Music back in worship
Acerrak 2 years ago
lots of moving around lots of distractions
blessedwithoutmeasur 3 years ago
not is a Chuch of Christ
louigui83 3 years ago
I very curious to visit to Church of Christ someday. I am former Pentecostal.
coolnycman1976 3 years ago
Christ died for one church! And please know there is no PS2 in heaven!!!
skittlesj526 3 years ago 3
It aint just about a name on a building
Church of God
Church of God in Christ
Church of the living God
Church of Christ
All those are names and they all are biblical
We are actually all the Body of Christ
datnyone 3 years ago 8
We are the bride of Christ and I am waiting for the groom. Praise the name of Jesus!
catenadine 2 years ago 2
@datnyone Just because a building has a "scriptural name" on the sign out front does NOT mean it is filled with true children of God. Just as you proved with how you labeled those TITLES, you capitalized church and showed that you have no true knowledge of what the church is. Nowhere in God's word do you find it capitalized to be as a formal title but rather just a descriptive term. While the name they call themselves is important, what they practice and teach is just as, if not more important.
rothfus7 1 year ago
Amen! Oh Lord Amen Hallelujah!
shadow010105 3 years ago
be sure in you walk with the lord, your enjoyment should surpass everything, if your not enjoying its still good being around saints, and people will talk but my enjoyment with the lord overides nonsense. im just happy 2 see saint praising the lord in enjoyment!xxxxxxxx
ThinkY3LLOW 3 years ago
By the way, this is not the ICC or the CoC, it's the church of the Lord's recovery/the Living Stream/whatever you want to call it
xCaar 3 years ago 3
People, don't discuss like this. PRAISE THE LORD!
xCaar 3 years ago
Church is not about you, it's about God. You do have to find a church that preaches the truth, but it isn't boring when you are praising the Father.
DaneilleO 4 years ago
Church is too boring for me. I play the PS2 with my friends on Sunday.
richardcgates 4 years ago
i know these people , they are trying to do good in this corrupted world ! from the black and white !
lgirl7 4 years ago
i am not with the church anymore , but i respect that these people are trying !
lgirl7 4 years ago
icoc is alright with me , the black and white , would u prefer a satanic cult? u fool , Christ is real !
lgirl7 4 years ago
okay seriously people.
don't judge the ICC because of one person.
just because kip mckean was an idiot doesn't mean that they're a cult.
the icoc has reformed since kip mckean
so its not the same as when he ran it.
lalaleahlovesgod 4 years ago
Ephesians 5:15-21 Making melody in your heart to God. We are Spiritually Praising God. How do we do that? Is though our Vessel Only, That God has gave us for Righteous purposes only. 1 Thes. 4: 3-8
rheemruudweatherking 4 years ago
what happen with the commen here
im brother fom china its really touch my spirit see the meeting is very glorious....
kenshasu 4 years ago
reminds me of the old c of c days - but i think there's an "instrument" iont here somewhere - maybe it's the "instrumental" c of cers - hmmm?
TobiasELee 4 years ago
uhh the church of christ women dont were pants
clelan1 4 years ago
That's not true. Many women who memebers of the COC do wear pants.
pwife4 3 years ago
Yes we do YOu are making assumptions
MsAugust68 2 years ago
The coc has nothing at all to do with the icoc!I was involved with the crossroads movement, or boston church of christ,which is now icoc it is a cult! Do some homework before calling coc a cult.They have many expose on crossroads. I thank God Iam a member of the lords church,not some man made denomination!
VanHoorelbeke 4 years ago
One thing people have to remember is the CoC doesn't have a president or pope or anything like that so each church is different. I'm CoC and our church is a basic old fashioned church with people who have wide range of views. Hell I'm even a Communist and CoC. You can't lump every CoC together.
LittlePinky82 4 years ago