@maqnchs try turning your other programs off. The Audio is fine.... I have found that YT audio cuts out when I have prism file conversion going... too much processing power maybe? Anyway I checked and audio is fine on this clip
@halfandhalfbros from what i have heard, Yep, that would be a good combo... though I personally don't like the RTS (that's just me though), I prefer the Seismic. I have heard really good things about the INDeeSZ front and back, that could be an option...
Of course if I had the money I would get a Virage Vite for the front.
@ThatReptileDude I just use enough riser in the front to prevent wheelbite and in the back to keep the board level with the front. Whether you use 1 big riser or 3 small ones is entirely up to you. Does that help?
@ThatReptileDude The only LDP deck that's a bit cheaper that i have heard of is the S9 trilam 44". Really, the only decks that I would actually "recommend" are all a bit pricey (Mermaid, Pulse, Walkabout, etc) but what you are looking for is a deck with a wide nose and around 40" long with some flex. You could also try the pavedwave second hand section maybe? For a cheap option i would try getting something like a second hand Loaded and redrilling some holes further back for the front truck
I find that the flex is perfect for pumping but i just have some paris 180s and cant go far with them.What truck would you recommend for better pumping?
@halfandhalfbros looking quickly at that board, it wouldn't be my first choice for pumping as I (personally) like my front foot very close to the front truck. I am not sure what setup to recommend as I have never owned a deck like that myself, but if it was in my hands i would probably drill some holes further back for the front truck, get my usual Bennett / Seismic combo and try that.
Alternatively, I would spend some time trying to find people pumping a deck like yours, and see what they use
@halfandhalfbros both of these look like quite pumpable decks, though i wouldn't consider a short deck for distance, as you will get tired a lot quicker, from my understanding. Any slaom deck IS designed for pumping, just not over long distances.
@UpcomingHacker Possibly. I just had a look on Loaded's site and they say it can be pumped, so i am guessing it can be pumped.... though I personally find Loaded's nose design a little narrow for really dedicated pumping, and the Fattail looks a little short for any decent distance. Looks like a great city commuter board though.
@jonnym331 the wedgine changes the angles of the trucks obviously, but wedging the front and dewedging the rear makes a board much more friendly to pump.... if you think about "tic tac-ing" on a short board, it is doing something similar, yet keeping all the wheels on the ground.
@jonnym331 Wedging makes it easier to turn the front truck, which in turn makes it easier to pump. And as I have de-wedging on the back truck (ie: fat end of the wedge toward the back of the board) this has the opposite effect- it stiffens up the truck making it harder to turn. What most people find is that a board is easier to pump when the front is loose and turny and the back is tighter and more stable, which is why pumping setups have different front and back wedging and bushing setups.
@poyorudo as far as LDP boards go, there aren't too many afficiandos here on the Gold Coast. You may find something on ASRA marketplace... maybe not. I'll shoot you my number via PM, that way if you want to have a go on my board, you can see/ feel what a LDP setup is like before making a decision or spending money.
Hi Odiwan, I was wondering if the Seismic 130mm 30* rear go with the bennets 5.0? I've noticed that in your previous videos you used Seismic 105 instead?
@Ranpapa - actually most people on Pavedwave match the front to the back as closely as possible: a Bennett 5.0 with a 130mm Seismic or a 6.0 with a 155mm Seismic (or similar size RTS/ Randal/ Surf Rodz/ Virage rear/ etc). I have tried the 130mm myself and I much prefer the 105 BUT that is just me. Most people seem to prefer the rear about the same size as the front, some (like me) prefer the "tracking" that a narrower rear truck gives, and a few prefer a slightly larger. It is all preference IMO
@odiwan74 im thinking of grabbing some 105mm instead of 130mm (because I cant get 130s in stock anywhere in the uk ^^) How do they differ from the 130s?
@TheHaiiiJuan - the way I interpret the feel of a narrower truck is that it has less movement. I weigh in at 60kg (135lb? I think), and I Mermaid is maximum flex, I run my seismic trucks with light green springs which are the 2nd or 3rd lightest spring, which gives an equivalent ride to a wider truck with harder springs. I would say the feel is a bit less turn in the back which favours a front foot dominated pump, which I tend to have. I THINK that the wider truck would feel "carvier", perhaps?
@TheHaiiiJuan - Also I forgot to mention here that I am running Avilas in the back, where as my front wheels are narrower; Gumballs, S9 Race wheels or Otangs. When I measure from outside lip to outside lip of my front setup and my back they measure up very similar. I guess that if I was running the same wheels all around, I possibly would want a similar size truck front to back. What I am trying to say is that you have to take into account the size of your wheels as well- very confusing :-s
@csaw12 the Mermaid is 39" which I find ideal.... BUT that is what I am used to. I know that others quite like the quick pickup of a mini (around 30") whilst others actually like pumping longer decks (over 50"). Personally i think that around 40" is perfect... not so small that it takes too much effort to keep going and and not so large that you feel the weight over time. Though if you are going over shorter distances, a shorter deck may feel better & be easier to store (at campus/ school/ etc)
If I got it right, you are using two different kind of trucks? Or just different kind of risers? Also, if that is what you're doing, is it okay to use two of the same trucks but make the front looser than the rear?
Last question, and maybe irrelevant: is this also a good set-up for cruising around? 'Cause I don't wanna fiddle my stuff whenever I feel like alternating my riding style haha.
@DaanKembangMawar - two different kinds of trucks... this is a setup for pumping, but it also cruises around beautifully. You got it right as far as using the same trucks but making the front looser than the back, that is the first change that people usually make to create a more "pumpable"setup. Once you start pumping then you can see if you want to swap out different trucks, or make other changes.
@DaanKembangMawar - Your last question isn't irrelevant; it is because different styles work better with different equipment that people end up with a quiver eg: one board setup for pumping, one for downhill, one for carving, etc. But if carving and pumping are your main styles you should be able to do both with the one setup, you just may need to experiment.
@odiwan74 Thanks for answering! The reason I'm asking is 'cause l longboard almost daily (it's my only transportation) so it's not like I do a specific style; I just try out things while I'm on the way. But thanks for the advice, I'll experiment with it tomorrow.
Btw, I checked your channel, pretty funny that you're into conspiracy theories.
@DaanKembangMawar - I am into all sorts of weird theories, conspiracies just sort of scratch the surface ;-)
I see that you live in the Netherlands, you may want to check out Pavedwave, as there are some dedicated longboarders with LDP setups on that site from your country; if you get in contact you may be able to meet up for a ride with them.
tryed to pump today with out wedging or de wedging lol it wasnt happening my setup is just a regular thomson truck in the rear and a gull wing alpine up front is this a good setup to begin with after wedging?
@723STONER I had a look but I couldn't find any info on a Thomson truck, and i have no idea about how a Gullwing Alpine would perform, though most pumping trucks are narrower than the Alpine. As i always say, first step to tweak your setup for pumping is loosen your front truck and tighten your rear truck, best achieved with softer and harder bushings. THEN fiddle with wedging and de wedging. Then, finally, try swapping out different trucks once you have played with your current set up.
@723STONER Oh BTW... watch out for wheel bite after changing your setup; you may need more bolts of different lengths to get the board high enough to avoid wheel bite. Also keep your board the same height front to back
@RockMuziikCreationz Well, yes, it will still pump, but the benefit of Bennett's is that they are very reactive, and most people (myself included) prefer a "dead" rear truck for pumping. If all you have is a pair of Bennetts, go for it but at the very least I would be buying some harder bushings to stiffen up the back truck.
@kareemmanplayer22 Yeah, you end up with a motley collection of bolts when you start fiddling with your setup. It is worth it though, the investment of a few different sets of bolts means that you can fiddle with your setup until you find what you like.
Hey man, I know you have you front truck wedged but you also said the back has a riser in addition to the dewedging. The front truck doesn't have a riser at all? Just the wedging?
nice board dude! i have a rayne timeline myself setup with bennett vector 5.0 in front and 129 tracker rts in back. im still experimenting with wedging and bushings but it seems like im not pumping as efficiently as i could be. thats interesting that you put a 105 in the back tho, how does that compare to riding with an equal truck in rear? i also have a 106 tracker rts i may try that...
@liudawg888 I have tried the 125 RTS, Seismic 125 and 105, and I prefer the Seismic 105 over any of the others. Have you tried the Seismic as a rear truck? I swear by it. But by all means try the RTS 105 first, as well as playing with wedging and bushings etc. Experimenting is half the fun, but as they always say, don't change more than one thing at a time, or you may be mistaken about what feels like what.
@liudawg888 hey im getting a rayne timeline. so do you think if i have bear grizzlys with stock bushings but angle the trucks will i be able to pump? i know it will be a very weak pump with those bushings but what do you think? also how do you like the board?
@hungryalbatros i LOVE my timeline. not only is it a great pumper for medium distances but its a great all around carver and cruiser.I've never ridden grizzly trucks so I can't really comment on that..but the bennett in front and tracker rts in back combo is working amazing for me right now. front is wedged about 17 degrees with white khiro hourglass bushing on bottom and white khiro cone on top. back is dewedged about 12 degrees with hard double barrel bushings
Thanks man! It was awesome to see a nice pumping set-up with a brief explanation of each component. Reading the info on forums is okay, but I am a more visually-stimulated sort of fellow. Nice deck! I am wanting to get my hands on the LBL Walkabout.
make a tutorial on how you painted your bennet!
aznmigitman1118 1 month ago
@aznmigitman1118 the Bennett was bought white, I didn't paint it.
Of course, now it is almost back to silver / grey from wear and tear...
odiwan74 1 month ago
@odiwan74 whaaaaaaaa!? where did u buy a white one?
aznmigitman1118 1 month ago
@aznmigitman1118 they were a limited run a couple of years back, so i bought a pair
odiwan74 1 month ago
Audio dude! If u wanna make a video u need audio, all u got here are silent moving pictures!
maqnchs 1 month ago
@maqnchs try turning your other programs off. The Audio is fine.... I have found that YT audio cuts out when I have prism file conversion going... too much processing power maybe? Anyway I checked and audio is fine on this clip
odiwan74 1 month ago
Do you think an INDeeSZ truck in the front and RTS in the rear would be a good combo?
halfandhalfbros 3 months ago
@halfandhalfbros from what i have heard, Yep, that would be a good combo... though I personally don't like the RTS (that's just me though), I prefer the Seismic. I have heard really good things about the INDeeSZ front and back, that could be an option...
Of course if I had the money I would get a Virage Vite for the front.
odiwan74 3 months ago
Do you need the small riser under the wedges?
ThatReptileDude 4 months ago
@ThatReptileDude I just use enough riser in the front to prevent wheelbite and in the back to keep the board level with the front. Whether you use 1 big riser or 3 small ones is entirely up to you. Does that help?
odiwan74 4 months ago
@odiwan74 Yeah, man. Any other decks you'd recommend that are on the less expensive price?
ThatReptileDude 4 months ago
@odiwan74 Also, Galac and FSU don't sell anything.
ThatReptileDude 4 months ago
@ThatReptileDude The only LDP deck that's a bit cheaper that i have heard of is the S9 trilam 44". Really, the only decks that I would actually "recommend" are all a bit pricey (Mermaid, Pulse, Walkabout, etc) but what you are looking for is a deck with a wide nose and around 40" long with some flex. You could also try the pavedwave second hand section maybe? For a cheap option i would try getting something like a second hand Loaded and redrilling some holes further back for the front truck
odiwan74 4 months ago
@odiwan74 Okay, I'm thinking about making my own press and making my own board.
ThatReptileDude 4 months ago
I have a NS hiest v2
I find that the flex is perfect for pumping but i just have some paris 180s and cant go far with them.What truck would you recommend for better pumping?
The board is 41 inches and has insane cutouts
halfandhalfbros 4 months ago
@halfandhalfbros looking quickly at that board, it wouldn't be my first choice for pumping as I (personally) like my front foot very close to the front truck. I am not sure what setup to recommend as I have never owned a deck like that myself, but if it was in my hands i would probably drill some holes further back for the front truck, get my usual Bennett / Seismic combo and try that.
Alternatively, I would spend some time trying to find people pumping a deck like yours, and see what they use
odiwan74 4 months ago
Nice dude ;-D I've the exact setup, trucks & all except I'm running Lime ZigZags all around. Happy Pumping!
Choriclw 5 months ago
Hey what about the LBL salamander or the
Flexdex Slalom 30 for pumping?
halfandhalfbros 5 months ago
@halfandhalfbros both of these look like quite pumpable decks, though i wouldn't consider a short deck for distance, as you will get tired a lot quicker, from my understanding. Any slaom deck IS designed for pumping, just not over long distances.
odiwan74 5 months ago
yo dude. i heard the Loaded Fattail can pump very well. thoughts?
UpcomingHacker 5 months ago
@UpcomingHacker Possibly. I just had a look on Loaded's site and they say it can be pumped, so i am guessing it can be pumped.... though I personally find Loaded's nose design a little narrow for really dedicated pumping, and the Fattail looks a little short for any decent distance. Looks like a great city commuter board though.
odiwan74 5 months ago
im new to longboarding, but what is the benefit of having wedge
jonnym331 5 months ago
@jonnym331 the wedgine changes the angles of the trucks obviously, but wedging the front and dewedging the rear makes a board much more friendly to pump.... if you think about "tic tac-ing" on a short board, it is doing something similar, yet keeping all the wheels on the ground.
iamhedgecore 5 months ago
@jonnym331 Wedging makes it easier to turn the front truck, which in turn makes it easier to pump. And as I have de-wedging on the back truck (ie: fat end of the wedge toward the back of the board) this has the opposite effect- it stiffens up the truck making it harder to turn. What most people find is that a board is easier to pump when the front is loose and turny and the back is tighter and more stable, which is why pumping setups have different front and back wedging and bushing setups.
odiwan74 5 months ago
Oh my god. Now I can't wait for the deck to be instock on Landyachtz, then shipped to a local store. That's gonna be so damn long man.
savherox 6 months ago
@savherox Which Landy deck you looking at?
odiwan74 6 months ago
@odiwan74 The Wedgeflex. You think it's good for beginner carving and cruising?
savherox 6 months ago
@savherox For cruising and carving it looks very good.
odiwan74 6 months ago
@odiwan74 Yeah! Thanks :)
savherox 6 months ago
Nice vid, I'd mic up for the next one though.
Hyoscine 6 months ago
Are you from the Gold Coast? Where can I get a nice second hand longboard? Good deal?
poyorudo 6 months ago
@poyorudo as far as LDP boards go, there aren't too many afficiandos here on the Gold Coast. You may find something on ASRA marketplace... maybe not. I'll shoot you my number via PM, that way if you want to have a go on my board, you can see/ feel what a LDP setup is like before making a decision or spending money.
odiwan74 6 months ago
what about the sector 9 bob marley player? with sidewinder trucks
landonu12 7 months ago
holy crap! thank you so much for this video.
0utl4wm4ge 7 months ago
@0utl4wm4ge - no worries! if you have any questions fire away, I am glad to help spread the stoke :-D
odiwan74 7 months ago
Hi Odiwan, I was wondering if the Seismic 130mm 30* rear go with the bennets 5.0? I've noticed that in your previous videos you used Seismic 105 instead?
Ranpapa 7 months ago
@Ranpapa - actually most people on Pavedwave match the front to the back as closely as possible: a Bennett 5.0 with a 130mm Seismic or a 6.0 with a 155mm Seismic (or similar size RTS/ Randal/ Surf Rodz/ Virage rear/ etc). I have tried the 130mm myself and I much prefer the 105 BUT that is just me. Most people seem to prefer the rear about the same size as the front, some (like me) prefer the "tracking" that a narrower rear truck gives, and a few prefer a slightly larger. It is all preference IMO
odiwan74 7 months ago
@odiwan74 im thinking of grabbing some 105mm instead of 130mm (because I cant get 130s in stock anywhere in the uk ^^) How do they differ from the 130s?
TheHaiiiJuan 7 months ago
@TheHaiiiJuan - the way I interpret the feel of a narrower truck is that it has less movement. I weigh in at 60kg (135lb? I think), and I Mermaid is maximum flex, I run my seismic trucks with light green springs which are the 2nd or 3rd lightest spring, which gives an equivalent ride to a wider truck with harder springs. I would say the feel is a bit less turn in the back which favours a front foot dominated pump, which I tend to have. I THINK that the wider truck would feel "carvier", perhaps?
odiwan74 7 months ago
@TheHaiiiJuan - Also I forgot to mention here that I am running Avilas in the back, where as my front wheels are narrower; Gumballs, S9 Race wheels or Otangs. When I measure from outside lip to outside lip of my front setup and my back they measure up very similar. I guess that if I was running the same wheels all around, I possibly would want a similar size truck front to back. What I am trying to say is that you have to take into account the size of your wheels as well- very confusing :-s
odiwan74 7 months ago
@odiwan74 what would the optimal deck size be for pumping?
csaw12 6 months ago
@csaw12 the Mermaid is 39" which I find ideal.... BUT that is what I am used to. I know that others quite like the quick pickup of a mini (around 30") whilst others actually like pumping longer decks (over 50"). Personally i think that around 40" is perfect... not so small that it takes too much effort to keep going and and not so large that you feel the weight over time. Though if you are going over shorter distances, a shorter deck may feel better & be easier to store (at campus/ school/ etc)
odiwan74 6 months ago
If I got it right, you are using two different kind of trucks? Or just different kind of risers? Also, if that is what you're doing, is it okay to use two of the same trucks but make the front looser than the rear?
Last question, and maybe irrelevant: is this also a good set-up for cruising around? 'Cause I don't wanna fiddle my stuff whenever I feel like alternating my riding style haha.
DaanKembangMawar 8 months ago
@DaanKembangMawar - two different kinds of trucks... this is a setup for pumping, but it also cruises around beautifully. You got it right as far as using the same trucks but making the front looser than the back, that is the first change that people usually make to create a more "pumpable"setup. Once you start pumping then you can see if you want to swap out different trucks, or make other changes.
odiwan74 8 months ago
@DaanKembangMawar - Your last question isn't irrelevant; it is because different styles work better with different equipment that people end up with a quiver eg: one board setup for pumping, one for downhill, one for carving, etc. But if carving and pumping are your main styles you should be able to do both with the one setup, you just may need to experiment.
odiwan74 8 months ago
@odiwan74 Thanks for answering! The reason I'm asking is 'cause l longboard almost daily (it's my only transportation) so it's not like I do a specific style; I just try out things while I'm on the way. But thanks for the advice, I'll experiment with it tomorrow.
Btw, I checked your channel, pretty funny that you're into conspiracy theories.
DaanKembangMawar 8 months ago
@DaanKembangMawar - I am into all sorts of weird theories, conspiracies just sort of scratch the surface ;-)
I see that you live in the Netherlands, you may want to check out Pavedwave, as there are some dedicated longboarders with LDP setups on that site from your country; if you get in contact you may be able to meet up for a ride with them.
Have fun!
odiwan74 8 months ago
@odiwan74 Haha well I'm into the Illuminati-theory, so I don't think it's that weird :p
But hey good idea, I will check it out. I moved here last year so I don't know that many longboarders anyway. You have fun too!
DaanKembangMawar 8 months ago
@DaanKembangMawar I take it that you looked at my WhatsGoingOn playlist? I have heaps of interesting illuminati related stuff there :-)
odiwan74 8 months ago
just joined pavedwave best place to learn how to setup your board for pumping my name is CJDA9 over there
723STONER 9 months ago
thanks for the help man really great video as well :D
723STONER 9 months ago
tryed to pump today with out wedging or de wedging lol it wasnt happening my setup is just a regular thomson truck in the rear and a gull wing alpine up front is this a good setup to begin with after wedging?
723STONER 9 months ago
@723STONER I had a look but I couldn't find any info on a Thomson truck, and i have no idea about how a Gullwing Alpine would perform, though most pumping trucks are narrower than the Alpine. As i always say, first step to tweak your setup for pumping is loosen your front truck and tighten your rear truck, best achieved with softer and harder bushings. THEN fiddle with wedging and de wedging. Then, finally, try swapping out different trucks once you have played with your current set up.
odiwan74 9 months ago
@723STONER Oh BTW... watch out for wheel bite after changing your setup; you may need more bolts of different lengths to get the board high enough to avoid wheel bite. Also keep your board the same height front to back
odiwan74 9 months ago
@RockMuziikCreationz Well, yes, it will still pump, but the benefit of Bennett's is that they are very reactive, and most people (myself included) prefer a "dead" rear truck for pumping. If all you have is a pair of Bennetts, go for it but at the very least I would be buying some harder bushings to stiffen up the back truck.
odiwan74 9 months ago
if i put 2, Bennett 5.0 trucks as my rear and front on my rayne timeline, do i still need to wedge/dewedge it and will it still pump?
RockMuziikCreationz 9 months ago
Ugh my screws aren't big enough for it to pass through my board the riser and the trucks
kareemmanplayer22 10 months ago
@kareemmanplayer22 Yeah, you end up with a motley collection of bolts when you start fiddling with your setup. It is worth it though, the investment of a few different sets of bolts means that you can fiddle with your setup until you find what you like.
odiwan74 10 months ago
Hey man, I know you have you front truck wedged but you also said the back has a riser in addition to the dewedging. The front truck doesn't have a riser at all? Just the wedging?
TheHaiiiJuan 10 months ago
@TheHaiiiJuan I have 3 thin shock pads that end up being about 1/2" of riser then a 15* angled wedge. I have just enough riser to counter wheelbite
odiwan74 10 months ago
@odiwan74 cheers buddy!
TheHaiiiJuan 10 months ago
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TheHaiiiJuan 10 months ago
looks like u are in a jungle :P
Pinne24 11 months ago
how many degrees do you have it deweged on the seismic?
reyvenclax 11 months ago
@reyvenclax Just the 7* Khiro shock pad; the other risers on the back are just to provide the same height as the front
odiwan74 11 months ago
nice board dude! i have a rayne timeline myself setup with bennett vector 5.0 in front and 129 tracker rts in back. im still experimenting with wedging and bushings but it seems like im not pumping as efficiently as i could be. thats interesting that you put a 105 in the back tho, how does that compare to riding with an equal truck in rear? i also have a 106 tracker rts i may try that...
liudawg888 1 year ago
@liudawg888 I have tried the 125 RTS, Seismic 125 and 105, and I prefer the Seismic 105 over any of the others. Have you tried the Seismic as a rear truck? I swear by it. But by all means try the RTS 105 first, as well as playing with wedging and bushings etc. Experimenting is half the fun, but as they always say, don't change more than one thing at a time, or you may be mistaken about what feels like what.
odiwan74 1 year ago
@liudawg888 hey im getting a rayne timeline. so do you think if i have bear grizzlys with stock bushings but angle the trucks will i be able to pump? i know it will be a very weak pump with those bushings but what do you think? also how do you like the board?
hungryalbatros 1 year ago
@hungryalbatros i LOVE my timeline. not only is it a great pumper for medium distances but its a great all around carver and cruiser.I've never ridden grizzly trucks so I can't really comment on that..but the bennett in front and tracker rts in back combo is working amazing for me right now. front is wedged about 17 degrees with white khiro hourglass bushing on bottom and white khiro cone on top. back is dewedged about 12 degrees with hard double barrel bushings
liudawg888 1 year ago
Thanks man! It was awesome to see a nice pumping set-up with a brief explanation of each component. Reading the info on forums is okay, but I am a more visually-stimulated sort of fellow. Nice deck! I am wanting to get my hands on the LBL Walkabout.
Icabobster 1 year ago
@Icabobster Nice! I would love to give that deck a try... the kick in the nose looks like a good alternative to the toe stop.
Cheers, the visual/ descriptive element was what I felt there was a call for.
odiwan74 1 year ago