Actually this is sung like an African american meter hymn, with long stretched out words and melodies, and it also has a sort of shaved note quality. Native Americans, and Black slaves and whites lived very close and intermarried and shared culturally, there is no doubt that those elements of both black and white singing found its way into native culture and vice versa.
This was recorded 1959, in Fyffe, Alabama, USA.; field recording by Alan Lomax ; issued as an LP by New World Records in 1977 on NW 205 as "White spirituals from the Sacred harp, the Alabama Sacred Harp Convention". As far as the Native American issue--it might be argued that some of these singers probably have Creek Indian ancestry...
Just before I found this clip of my favorite Sacred Harp tune -- quite by accident -- I was just noticing how similar the timbre of Sacred Harp singers and powwow singers are. So, there's that.
I think this video is a commentary on the Christian genocide of Native Peoples throughout the Americas. Through disease, treachery and forced conversion the Indian people were subdued but they will always be with US. Using "Sacred Harp" the photos show that those native souls have gone on to a Happy Hunting Ground with the Great Spirit and where christians will never torment them again throughout eternity. God is red!!!! ---------
I feel bad for the Natives because they were forced in residential schools in the last century. now that generation is fucked. Please, natives, lay down the needles and the bottles of jack! Send your kids to school! Help them grow up knowing they have a good future!
I think the pairing hear is subtle, but poignant. Idumea refers to the land of exile and ignominy, which the descendants of Esau called home. Just as Esau (the hunter) was betrayed by his brother Jacob (the clever dweller among tents - no doubt a spiritual predecessor to those moderns who invaded the new world), so were the Native Americans betrayed by voyagers to the new world. Native Americans inhabit a modern-day Idumea. May they some day rise again.
The 1st Time I Saw This Video (Interpretation) Was Quite A While Ago...
I Was Deeply Moved...
To Me, I Felt A Profound Sadness. For I Know The Suffering Of Our People.
Many Of Whom Had To Conform To Christianity Just To Get Along After ALL Had been Taken...
A Good Indian Was Still Just A Redskin and a heathen Until He Gave Up His Soul To Those Responsible For Their Genocide. This Feels Of Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee and Appalacia. And Places Where Indian Lands Are None. Nea Ish Blue One
beautiful. I just learned about sacred harp... I am soooo pleased to see it represented by my own people. SO far , this is the the most stunning rendition I am so pleased to have found this file!!! Mitauke Oysin. this is a tradition from England... these singers just made it more beautiful.
This lamentation has nothing to do with so called Native Americans. It's a Lament as vocalized by Edomites (Idumeans) and their descendents of what's to befall them for what they have done to Jacob's children throughout history. There is recompense to be paid and it is coming. The descendents of Edom (esau) knows this somewhere in their psyche and laments their destruction at the hands of the Most High.
Actually, in the Appalachian Mountains, where this style of music originated from, the singing style was actually inspired from Native American singing. The difference between traditional European singing, which comprises the rest of the U.S., and Appalachian music, is the nasal quality derived from Native American singing. This style of singing is a mix of Scotch-Irish ballads, freed slaves, and Native Americans, which mixed to make Old Time and Sacred Harp singing.
@Swingaang This style of singing originated from the North East of the US not the Appalachians and has mostly European influences but is predominantly American with absolutely no native American influence.
@Swingaang That is wholly and woefully inaccurate. There are definitely similarities in sound between Early American "sacred harp"-style singing and certain kinds of Native American singing, but they are not even slightly related. Call it serendipity, convergent evolution, coincidence, or a common predilection, the two follow completely unrelated historical paths to arrive at loud, rhythmic, full-voice (and often nasal-sounding) musical traditions.
@johnnnnnnny86 WHATS WIERD ABOUT IT...IF THE CREATOR CREATED ALL MEN AND IF YOU KNOW MUSIC THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW MUSIC IS THE UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE IN WHICH ALL CAN RELATE TO...
for my whole life i've had a hole in my soul. all around where i grew up there were mounds. local history had forgotten the original people. developers used the mounds as easily harvested fill dirt when making landscaping for new neighborhoods.
my ex-husband told me of his uncle working there on an end loader.
while he waited for the dumptruck to return he kept noticing something catching the sunlight.
he found an indian pipe.
dig up george washington, bet he has some cool stuff.
I was confused on the name Idumeabecause it is Edomites and the Jewish Encyclopedia says Edom is Modern Jewry or Jews; aka children of Esau. Someone did not put this together right; although I did enjoy the Native American pictures.
A deep song with some deep images. I wonder what there is to get angry about. One thing's for sure- American music, including shape note music, wouldn't be what it is without the long influence of people whose ancestors were here before the Europeans and Africans arrived (however incredibly important those many influences have been).
@batfancy I don't really think Sacred Harp music (which is what this is) has much Native American influence at all. It is almost completely a Scottish and Irish immigrant phenomenon.
It's interesting to see that this chief never signed a treaty and his mother was hidden among the white people. In today's world it's ironic that you're hardly not recognised as indian or can be a part of an indian tribe unless you go back to a treaty.
This is wonderful singing. Some of the best I have heard. I do think it might be mislabeled. I think it might be early American singing...or early settler singing. The label of Native American gives us the idea it is Native American as in Indian singing. Your photos are fantastic! I don't know how this got mixed into shape singing/sacred harp singing unless it is on a reservation. Beautiful singing though. As I said, some of the best I have heard. Thanks for posting.
To my ancestors and my descendants: I will stand with Maka Ina forever. I stand with the land, with the earth, which each grain of sand and each leaf and each flowing water. I stand with the valleys and the mountains and the beaches and the ridges and all things in the universe of the creator. Of man made things? I do not care...
@wildersara is not the man made things simply mountains, and valleys, and leafs, and sand, made into differrent mountains, valleys, leafs, beaces and ridges? will you not stand with them as well, as we all become one?
@abadonna As we are co creators, yes, but for endless asphalt and billboards, massive construction everywhere - no, I prefer nature. where man has joined in respect and oneness with nature - yes.
The Song is Sacred Harp 47b Idumea (And Am I Born to Die?). The video rips off random historical photos of Native Americans and ties them without explanation to this shape-note tune.
that and the inane comments... I'd have expected there to be some deep things written by the Indians, but all you get is random guesses and preachery nonesense
@TheDerekLynch —No, I did not notice that. Are you sure? To me it sounds like the Sacred Harp version.
This rendition of #47b Idumea (And am I born to die?) almost achieves the level of lugubriousness that I think this selection should be sung with . . . The singing of the shapes at the beginning is good for learners, too!
@ClaireConrad Well, I think I may have figured it out. I did some scholarly research (on Wikipedia) and found out that there was a split in ideals regarding Sacred Harp. Everything seems to have its schism. Anyway, there are now two different books, and some of the arrangements are slightly different. Thanks anyway though!
The musical reference is to the Sacred Harp singers of 1968, when actually this rendition of the song is from the Sacred Harp singers of Liberty Church, featured on the Cold Mountain CD.
Absolutely haunting and beautiful.... and timeless. Just represents for me the forging and toiling of man through the ages... but has special meaning within the context of the treatment of Native Americans
@BlueOrchidMoon77 The lyrics in your description are not the lyrics to this song. They are the lyrics to "Am I Born To Die" by Tim Erikson, which is another song on the Cold Mountain soundtrack.
@Sabalus These lyrics were written 250 years ago by English hymnodist Charles Wesley, author of "Hark! the Herald Angels Sing". "Idumea" is a four-part vocal-harmony "sacred harp" tune written in 1816 by Ananias Davisson using Wesley's text. The song listed on the Cold Mountain soundtrack as "Am I Born to Die" is the same as "Idumea" but performed by voice and instrument. Tim Eriksen is himself a longtime sacred harp singer and definitely did not write the music nor the lyrics for either song
@BlueOrchidMoon77 Despite what people are saying, I think you did a fantastic job understanding the spirit of the song and the words being sung and how they apply to the theme. Nice Job!!!!
@Gman343: In the Sacred Harp tradition, before singing the lyrics, the singers run through the tune one time, each part singing the "fa - so - la" name for the note they are singing, That is what you are hearing at the beginning of the video.
@AnonymusInternets Excuse me? I don't know shit? No, you don't know shit. When did I ever say that this was Native American music? Your comment makes no sense.
@BlueOrchidMoon77 \ "Native American(Sacred Harp Singers-Idumea)" IT'S THE TITLE OF THE VIDEO!!!! THE VIDEO IS IMAGES OF NATIVE AMERICANS!!! SACRED HARP IS WHITE ANGLO-AMERICAN SONG!!!! THAT'S SOUTHERN WHITE AMERICAN PEOPLE SINGING ENGLISH RURAL CHURCH SHAPE-NOTE SONGS!!!!!!!!
@BlueOrchidMoon77 It says right in the title NATIVE AMERICAN, unless you're just stating the choir is Native American? either way, this song was written in 1793 by Charles Wesley, and the music is by Ananias Davisson. For those who care, Idumea was a "old testament" kingdom in modern day southern Jordan.
@BlueOrchidMoon77 Uhm, well you put Native American in the title, and a bunch of pictures of Indians. That sorta implies that you think it is Native American music.
@someguyupnorth it doesnt matter who sings this damn song ..its just a SONG..IT CAN BE USE IN ANY MANner...duh!?...learn the meaning of '' love thy neighbors''.....people r so big on silly lunatic words...grow up...im native n i know this song isnt native but i love the pics n the music goes with it..n i knw im not the only one who cares...even the wisdom quotes goes with the song...kstop being a HATER GROW A SENSE OF HUMOR...WANT A HUMOR SEED!? ..LOL
But I certainly knew what the music was and if I hadn't been searching for it, I never would have found this perfect paring of harmony, words and pictures.
@Gman343 Sacred Harp singing is a tradition of sacred choral music that took root in the Southern region of the United States. It is part of the larger tradition of shape note music. They are not Native singers.
@Gman343 Sacred Harp singing is a tradition of sacred choral music that took root in the Southern region of the United States. It is part of the larger tradition of shape note music. They are not Native singers. and yet its wonderful music and singers.
Look up Sacred Harp music. It is also called Shape Note singing. Dates from early 1800s when churches didn't have pianos or organs, so every one learned to sing their part based on the shape of the notes.
What about the brutal actions of the Federal troops against ALL of the Confederacy?...against both Euro and Afro Southerners?...what about the dastardly campaigns of generals Sherman and Sheridan?...there...you will find brutality in at the hands of beast!!!
"You Started it and we finished it" - This is very ignorant and simplified statement concerning the origins of this war. Your response is just rhetorical soundings without knowledge...I was responding to another statement that required a proper response. I never denied that on both sides, wrongs were commited. But history stands as to the brutality of Northern Forces against the entire population of The South, INCLUDING AfroSoutherners! Many were murdered and raped at the hands of Union Troops!
Lincoln was known to disrespect the AfroAmerican. Gen Sherman hated them with racist zeal. AfroAmericans in The North were marginalized in many facets of the political process. Sec of War Stanton and many Radical Republicans were bent on destroying the entire South...and they did not give a damn about the Black Man and Woman! Slavery was but part of the Equation in The War Between The States. History is written by Victorious Liars and Truths are withheld from the Telling of Accurate History!
And yes DuaneKuiper...Afro-Southerners...and many did serve as front line troops and in the Southern Forces...there were NO segregated units...Euro, Afro, and Native Soldiers served side by side, ate together, bivouaced together, fought together and died together! And I guess you have no knowledge that the THIRD largest Slave Owner was a AfroSoutherner in South Carolina? Did you know that JEB Stuart taught Sunday School to A-S children and taught them grammer so as to read their Bibles?
DuaneKuiper...just how much do you know of Southern History and Culture? Of The War Between The States? Of AfroSouthern Culture? Of Native Culture in The South? Of Spanish and Mexican Culture in The South? Of the economic history of Our Nation before, during and after The War? Of the Draft Riots in NYC? Of the DESTRUCTION of Habeas Corpus by Lincoln and his VIOLATION of Constitutional Rights of Citizens within The State of Maryland in the begining of The War? Of Atrocities against civilians?
DuaneKuiper...The South did not start The War! It was based on Economics! Slavery was not the cause, it was one of many factors. The South DID NOT not commit Rebellion...IT SECEDED! It was not a Civil War by definition. It seperated itself from a Union that had become a tyrant in economics and politics. YOU DID NOT FINISH A DAMN THING! Your response is typical Yankee Ignoramass Rhetoric! And you laugh at the term "Afro-Southerner" but your laughter is based on lack of knowledge-Ignorance!
Yes, I'm from the northeast and I agree with a lot of what you said; it is very well reasoned. And it is true that history is written through biased accounts; even I was taught to hold an ignorant view of the South and its history. There are many sides to this story, and it is a shame that our system refuses to teach us history through all accounts. Ignorance tears us apart.
THis song is just amazing! I found it long time ago, but video were deleted. Im so glad I found it again tho!! Is this really a Christian prayer? Anyway I think the music fits this vid very well! But does anyone know how these lyrics were sung in the first place?
American Indian people are fooled by the liberal agenda; they enslave themselves still to the U.S. Government. Liberals want to enslave American Indian people with MORE BIG (BIA) GOVERNMENT but now its not just the Native Americans they want to enslave all Americans!
Look at the pics; dont tell me thats not religion or politics. Non confrontation is not in the warrior (Play nice and put up your weapons American Indian People) blood. It was the liberal agenda that hurt the Indian People.
The brutal mistreatment of the American Indians wasn't a matter of liberals and conservatives. It was power-hungry Europeans against people they thought didn't deserve the basic right of humanity. Don't go trying to tack your modern political labels onto it. "Liberal" and "Conservative" are but two meaningless words that tyrants and fools use to turn brother against brother!
@ JYoung: You're so right. Those labels are nothing but lies - the purpose is only to keep people distracted from seeing the truth & separated from each other. Rather than looking at issues, personalities & performance, people belong themselves to one of the clubs. "I'm a this" or "I'm a that" and then they're separate, protecting their this or that. Obama is liberal? But he keeps Bush (conservative) policies moving forward. No difference, except to keep people in the this or that club.
"Idumea was a Greek word meaning "pertaining to Edom". This term was given by the Greeks and Romans for the country of Edom on the S borders of Judea inhabited by Idumeans (Edomites) (Mark 3:8; Is 34:5-6; Ezek 35:15; 36:5)."
The lyrics are an early Christian prayer... What the native Americans have to do with it I don't know....
@orionislib edom is the Biblical tribe of where the white race comes from. The white race are known as the "edomites" in the Bible due to their lack of pigmentation (esau was born red, blood showing through his skin due to being cursed with white skin).
Well done. The music is powerful. The images are quite moving. This is a prime example of the whole being greater than the sum of it's parts. This work speaks for itself. Resist the temptation to respond to those who can neither create nor appreciate.
as a registered member of the choctaw nation by grace of bloodline i can say native american, not mongolian, my ancestors were protecting, defending and preserving their land, birthright and way of life. what is your ancestry?
The second song's name is 'am I born to die?' You can see videos of Tim Erkisen performing it. It's actually not a Native American song, its called Sacred Harp singing - american traditional.
Interesting video you have here, I enjoyed watching it! Check out my video, We are Here... We are Alive its sort of similar to yours and I think you might enjoy it. Comment and let me know what you think!
i hear tim eriksen, i wonder if the rest of the bands in the recornin too
capi7al 1 week ago
Actually this is sung like an African american meter hymn, with long stretched out words and melodies, and it also has a sort of shaved note quality. Native Americans, and Black slaves and whites lived very close and intermarried and shared culturally, there is no doubt that those elements of both black and white singing found its way into native culture and vice versa.
bkatayab 2 weeks ago
What is the second song which is sung? It doesn't sound like Idumea.
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This was recorded 1959, in Fyffe, Alabama, USA.; field recording by Alan Lomax ; issued as an LP by New World Records in 1977 on NW 205 as "White spirituals from the Sacred harp, the Alabama Sacred Harp Convention". As far as the Native American issue--it might be argued that some of these singers probably have Creek Indian ancestry...
jevalles 3 weeks ago
research mate
seamusboyd 1 month ago
diplo should remix this.
DJKup0 2 months ago
Just before I found this clip of my favorite Sacred Harp tune -- quite by accident -- I was just noticing how similar the timbre of Sacred Harp singers and powwow singers are. So, there's that.
GentlyFeral 3 months ago
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THIS IS NOT FUCKING NATIVE AMERICANS!!!
njdevil281 3 months ago
@njdevil281 The pictures are, dumbass. Nice language. Blocked:)
BlueOrchidMoon77 3 months ago
@njdevil281 No, it isn't, but it makes for a very moving video when paired with these amazing pictures.
mh605 2 months ago
@njdevil281 Don't refer to us with that word, please. The concept is one the poster related to our peoples, and it's not too far off.
BlueberryDoughnuts 2 months ago
Wonderful and many thanks and blessings for posting this. Indigenous people are beautiful and earth loving and all therein. ~Peace & Harmony always
UNbowed62 3 months ago
I think this video is a commentary on the Christian genocide of Native Peoples throughout the Americas. Through disease, treachery and forced conversion the Indian people were subdued but they will always be with US. Using "Sacred Harp" the photos show that those native souls have gone on to a Happy Hunting Ground with the Great Spirit and where christians will never torment them again throughout eternity. God is red!!!! ---------
ajfal 4 months ago
@ajfal It's a very sad, sad thing. Sometimes makes me think we missed Earth.
gageman70 2 months ago
I feel bad for the Natives because they were forced in residential schools in the last century. now that generation is fucked. Please, natives, lay down the needles and the bottles of jack! Send your kids to school! Help them grow up knowing they have a good future!
DJonX7 4 months ago
I think the pairing hear is subtle, but poignant. Idumea refers to the land of exile and ignominy, which the descendants of Esau called home. Just as Esau (the hunter) was betrayed by his brother Jacob (the clever dweller among tents - no doubt a spiritual predecessor to those moderns who invaded the new world), so were the Native Americans betrayed by voyagers to the new world. Native Americans inhabit a modern-day Idumea. May they some day rise again.
willceurvels 4 months ago 5
@willceurvels Amen to that
zorabliss 3 weeks ago
Such wonderful people, and oh so beautiful. Thank you for your grace, strength and words of wisdom... Peace and Light to you :)
lettykv 4 months ago
Oh there is my bow....ok im gonna kill 6 yankees who the fuck dislike this fucking great song.....
icewood96 4 months ago
The 1st Time I Saw This Video (Interpretation) Was Quite A While Ago...
I Was Deeply Moved...
To Me, I Felt A Profound Sadness. For I Know The Suffering Of Our People.
Many Of Whom Had To Conform To Christianity Just To Get Along After ALL Had been Taken...
A Good Indian Was Still Just A Redskin and a heathen Until He Gave Up His Soul To Those Responsible For Their Genocide. This Feels Of Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee and Appalacia. And Places Where Indian Lands Are None. Nea Ish Blue One
CougarsTears 5 months ago 3
mooi zo mooi
merlijnandor 6 months ago
beautiful. I just learned about sacred harp... I am soooo pleased to see it represented by my own people. SO far , this is the the most stunning rendition I am so pleased to have found this file!!! Mitauke Oysin. this is a tradition from England... these singers just made it more beautiful.
wanagi006 6 months ago
This lamentation has nothing to do with so called Native Americans. It's a Lament as vocalized by Edomites (Idumeans) and their descendents of what's to befall them for what they have done to Jacob's children throughout history. There is recompense to be paid and it is coming. The descendents of Edom (esau) knows this somewhere in their psyche and laments their destruction at the hands of the Most High.
Anolvi 6 months ago
The title "The Native American", followed by pictures of dead Indians?? Weird. We're not dodo birds, you know.
beatrixn 7 months ago
Very nice.
hmngbrd 7 months ago
This song has absolutely nothing to do with native americans
njdevil281 8 months ago
good on u for putting this on. control freaks of the wed wont let me hear it from cold mountain link.
Rachulie 8 months ago
I have some of these picture the old ones are the best Lonewolf1863
Lonewolf1863 8 months ago
Actually, in the Appalachian Mountains, where this style of music originated from, the singing style was actually inspired from Native American singing. The difference between traditional European singing, which comprises the rest of the U.S., and Appalachian music, is the nasal quality derived from Native American singing. This style of singing is a mix of Scotch-Irish ballads, freed slaves, and Native Americans, which mixed to make Old Time and Sacred Harp singing.
Swingaang 9 months ago
@Swingaang This style of singing originated from the North East of the US not the Appalachians and has mostly European influences but is predominantly American with absolutely no native American influence.
njdevil281 8 months ago
@Swingaang That is wholly and woefully inaccurate. There are definitely similarities in sound between Early American "sacred harp"-style singing and certain kinds of Native American singing, but they are not even slightly related. Call it serendipity, convergent evolution, coincidence, or a common predilection, the two follow completely unrelated historical paths to arrive at loud, rhythmic, full-voice (and often nasal-sounding) musical traditions.
pedroconejo 3 months ago
Native Americans put to Southern Choir music? Weird.
johnnnnnnny86 9 months ago
@johnnnnnnny86 WHATS WIERD ABOUT IT...IF THE CREATOR CREATED ALL MEN AND IF YOU KNOW MUSIC THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW MUSIC IS THE UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE IN WHICH ALL CAN RELATE TO...
chulah12 7 months ago
@chulah12 Wow. That comment was weird.
johnnnnnnny86 5 months ago
for my whole life i've had a hole in my soul. all around where i grew up there were mounds. local history had forgotten the original people. developers used the mounds as easily harvested fill dirt when making landscaping for new neighborhoods.
my ex-husband told me of his uncle working there on an end loader.
while he waited for the dumptruck to return he kept noticing something catching the sunlight.
he found an indian pipe.
dig up george washington, bet he has some cool stuff.
jen8933 10 months ago
Native Americans are more closely related to Israelites than Jews.
ss021422 11 months ago
@ss021422 the Mormon church has fell back from that theory a long time ago.
Tripp9 10 months ago
I was confused on the name Idumeabecause it is Edomites and the Jewish Encyclopedia says Edom is Modern Jewry or Jews; aka children of Esau. Someone did not put this together right; although I did enjoy the Native American pictures.
ss021422 11 months ago
A deep song with some deep images. I wonder what there is to get angry about. One thing's for sure- American music, including shape note music, wouldn't be what it is without the long influence of people whose ancestors were here before the Europeans and Africans arrived (however incredibly important those many influences have been).
batfancy 1 year ago
@batfancy I don't really think Sacred Harp music (which is what this is) has much Native American influence at all. It is almost completely a Scottish and Irish immigrant phenomenon.
brodycatsmouth 1 year ago
@brodycatsmouth Tim Eriksen did an amazing version of this song, so I'm pretty positive he has an idea of what he's talking about.
Mykael88 9 months ago
whats the name of the second song?!! plz answer
MjsDirtyDiana87 1 year ago
at 25 seconds... reminds me of Dwayne Johnson... which means that everything is awesome...
Cryuss90 1 year ago
@Cryuss90 Is that what you think?
KaiserReich98 8 months ago
@KaiserReich98 well what do you think other than the obvious?
Cryuss90 7 months ago
@Cryuss90 IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK
KaiserReich98 7 months ago
@KaiserReich98 geez, whats wrong with you? i was giving an opinion, no need to insult me.
Cryuss90 7 months ago
@Cryuss90 *Sigh* look up The Rock: it doesnt matter what you think.
KaiserReich98 7 months ago
I agree with Geronimo, There is only one God.
ksspell 1 year ago
It's interesting to see that this chief never signed a treaty and his mother was hidden among the white people. In today's world it's ironic that you're hardly not recognised as indian or can be a part of an indian tribe unless you go back to a treaty.
ksspell 1 year ago
This is a wonderful video collage, are you still doing this sort of thing? It's inspiring!
LeftySmithSings 1 year ago
This is wonderful singing. Some of the best I have heard. I do think it might be mislabeled. I think it might be early American singing...or early settler singing. The label of Native American gives us the idea it is Native American as in Indian singing. Your photos are fantastic! I don't know how this got mixed into shape singing/sacred harp singing unless it is on a reservation. Beautiful singing though. As I said, some of the best I have heard. Thanks for posting.
MyMoppet52 1 year ago
the concert choir that I'm in we're going to sing this song <3 so beautiful I cant wait
xoxspicygurlxox 1 year ago
The music is fascinating ... I'm not sure how the native American photos and quotes are related to it, though.
cicero1453 1 year ago
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cicero1453 1 year ago
To my ancestors and my descendants: I will stand with Maka Ina forever. I stand with the land, with the earth, which each grain of sand and each leaf and each flowing water. I stand with the valleys and the mountains and the beaches and the ridges and all things in the universe of the creator. Of man made things? I do not care...
wildersara 1 year ago
@wildersara is not the man made things simply mountains, and valleys, and leafs, and sand, made into differrent mountains, valleys, leafs, beaces and ridges? will you not stand with them as well, as we all become one?
abadonna 1 year ago
@abadonna As we are co creators, yes, but for endless asphalt and billboards, massive construction everywhere - no, I prefer nature. where man has joined in respect and oneness with nature - yes.
wildersara 1 year ago
this always inspires me when nothing else will
relsismada 1 year ago
What is the first strophe of lyrics?
Before the regular "and am I born to die" this version ir something like "I'm lost in the thoughts of god" whats next?
eituwis 1 year ago
youtube.com/watch?v=KJPdvitbOMU&feature=related
dljc1979 1 year ago
The Song is Sacred Harp 47b Idumea (And Am I Born to Die?). The video rips off random historical photos of Native Americans and ties them without explanation to this shape-note tune.
wis78rpm 1 year ago 22
@wis78rpm Glad you know your Sacred Harp!
brodycatsmouth 1 year ago
@wis78rpm Glad you know your Sacred Harp!
brodycatsmouth 1 year ago
@wis78rpm ...that's how youtube works
that and the inane comments... I'd have expected there to be some deep things written by the Indians, but all you get is random guesses and preachery nonesense
busessuck1 10 months ago
What group is singing the second song (Christian Soldier)
I like!
edutchie 1 year ago
What group is singing the second song (Christian Soldier)
I like!
edutchie 1 year ago
Wonderful ....it says so much..
chria3886 1 year ago
So Very Haunting! Wow. Thank you for posting this.
missDVM 1 year ago
Hallelujah! The most uplifting sound I have ever heard. Would be an awesome "funeral song".
Brendan3875 1 year ago
Amazing singing! Harmonies and everything!
Moireach91 1 year ago
I live in Parker county Texas, named for Quana. Our local celebrity.
TheMasterDaffy 1 year ago
What a great rendition of Idumea!
ClaireConrad 1 year ago
This arrangement is different from the one in the Sacred Harp book. Does anybody know what's up with that?
TheDerekLynch 1 year ago
@TheDerekLynch —No, I did not notice that. Are you sure? To me it sounds like the Sacred Harp version.
This rendition of #47b Idumea (And am I born to die?) almost achieves the level of lugubriousness that I think this selection should be sung with . . . The singing of the shapes at the beginning is good for learners, too!
ClaireConrad 1 year ago
@ClaireConrad Well, I think I may have figured it out. I did some scholarly research (on Wikipedia) and found out that there was a split in ideals regarding Sacred Harp. Everything seems to have its schism. Anyway, there are now two different books, and some of the arrangements are slightly different. Thanks anyway though!
TheDerekLynch 1 year ago
This made the scene in Cold Mountain no doubt~
alaskalover13 1 year ago
Wow.
AnOriginalSomething 1 year ago
Hate to burst a bubble, but this is sacred harp. Not native American.
MissInsomnea 1 year ago 2
wonderful
cghgrn123 1 year ago
The musical reference is to the Sacred Harp singers of 1968, when actually this rendition of the song is from the Sacred Harp singers of Liberty Church, featured on the Cold Mountain CD.
mh605 1 year ago
Absolutely haunting and beautiful.... and timeless. Just represents for me the forging and toiling of man through the ages... but has special meaning within the context of the treatment of Native Americans
l33tpwnzord 1 year ago
This was in the part of the "seige of st.petersburg".......very eerie....very beautiful
ftbsltd 1 year ago
Thank you a lot !
orwelia 1 year ago
are they singing this in another language?
Gman343 1 year ago
No, the lyrics are in the description.
BlueOrchidMoon77 1 year ago
@BlueOrchidMoon77 The song begins with the solfege fa sol la notes. Then they progress to the words.
mh605 1 year ago
@BlueOrchidMoon77 The lyrics in your description are not the lyrics to this song. They are the lyrics to "Am I Born To Die" by Tim Erikson, which is another song on the Cold Mountain soundtrack.
Sabalus 8 months ago
@Sabalus These lyrics were written 250 years ago by English hymnodist Charles Wesley, author of "Hark! the Herald Angels Sing". "Idumea" is a four-part vocal-harmony "sacred harp" tune written in 1816 by Ananias Davisson using Wesley's text. The song listed on the Cold Mountain soundtrack as "Am I Born to Die" is the same as "Idumea" but performed by voice and instrument. Tim Eriksen is himself a longtime sacred harp singer and definitely did not write the music nor the lyrics for either song
pedroconejo 3 months ago
@BlueOrchidMoon77 Despite what people are saying, I think you did a fantastic job understanding the spirit of the song and the words being sung and how they apply to the theme. Nice Job!!!!
dmoore887 7 months ago
@Gman343 They sing the beginging as Fa So La Mi but you'll have to look it up if you want to know what that means
birdstuckinchimney 1 year ago
@Gman343: In the Sacred Harp tradition, before singing the lyrics, the singers run through the tune one time, each part singing the "fa - so - la" name for the note they are singing, That is what you are hearing at the beginning of the video.
waltlundblad 1 year ago
@Gman343
They just start with LA SOOOOOL LA SI DO SI LA SOL
Also, maker of the video doesn't know shit. It's not "native american" music. This time wikippedia is completely right. Just type "sacred harp"
AnonymusInternets 1 year ago
@AnonymusInternets Excuse me? I don't know shit? No, you don't know shit. When did I ever say that this was Native American music? Your comment makes no sense.
BlueOrchidMoon77 1 year ago
@BlueOrchidMoon77 \ "Native American(Sacred Harp Singers-Idumea)" IT'S THE TITLE OF THE VIDEO!!!! THE VIDEO IS IMAGES OF NATIVE AMERICANS!!! SACRED HARP IS WHITE ANGLO-AMERICAN SONG!!!! THAT'S SOUTHERN WHITE AMERICAN PEOPLE SINGING ENGLISH RURAL CHURCH SHAPE-NOTE SONGS!!!!!!!!
dljc1979 1 year ago
@BlueOrchidMoon77 The why the hell have you got "Native American" as the headline? Stunning photos though
Bobbo293 1 year ago
@BlueOrchidMoon77 It looks like you say it is. You might not have, but it sure looks like it.
brodycatsmouth 1 year ago
@BlueOrchidMoon77 You kind of put it in the title...
Vadaxx 1 year ago
@BlueOrchidMoon77 It says right in the title NATIVE AMERICAN, unless you're just stating the choir is Native American? either way, this song was written in 1793 by Charles Wesley, and the music is by Ananias Davisson. For those who care, Idumea was a "old testament" kingdom in modern day southern Jordan.
angryredcom 11 months ago
@BlueOrchidMoon77 Uhm, well you put Native American in the title, and a bunch of pictures of Indians. That sorta implies that you think it is Native American music.
agonefire 9 months ago
@BlueOrchidMoon77 His comment makes perfect sense. The title of this video says Native American(Sacred Harp Singers-Idumea).
This song is a Christian gospel message, it has little to do with Native Americans and isn't even sung by them.
someguyupnorth 9 months ago
@someguyupnorth it doesnt matter who sings this damn song ..its just a SONG..IT CAN BE USE IN ANY MANner...duh!?...learn the meaning of '' love thy neighbors''.....people r so big on silly lunatic words...grow up...im native n i know this song isnt native but i love the pics n the music goes with it..n i knw im not the only one who cares...even the wisdom quotes goes with the song...kstop being a HATER GROW A SENSE OF HUMOR...WANT A HUMOR SEED!? ..LOL
chulah12 7 months ago
@AnonymusInternets stfu its native american lol.
19thepyrochilibean 1 year ago
@AnonymusInternets
The title of the video says "Sacred Harp" singers, with the title of the song.
I think the Native American theme is a reflection on the lyrics - which are very appropriate for what the First Nation peoples went through.
Voileen 1 year ago
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xoxspicygurlxox 1 year ago
@AnonymusInternets
But I certainly knew what the music was and if I hadn't been searching for it, I never would have found this perfect paring of harmony, words and pictures.
2manydoggs 7 months ago
@Gman343 Sacred Harp singing is a tradition of sacred choral music that took root in the Southern region of the United States. It is part of the larger tradition of shape note music. They are not Native singers.
wildersara 1 year ago
@Gman343 Sacred Harp singing is a tradition of sacred choral music that took root in the Southern region of the United States. It is part of the larger tradition of shape note music. They are not Native singers. and yet its wonderful music and singers.
wildersara 1 year ago
@Gman343 No, they're doing the solfege sing through (I think).
Mortellina 1 year ago
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SandyMckinnon 1 year ago
Hi I wanted To Know if someone here Has More information about this brand of music or has a web site to direct me to...
thanks, John
vini7123 1 year ago
@vini7123
Look up Sacred Harp music. It is also called Shape Note singing. Dates from early 1800s when churches didn't have pianos or organs, so every one learned to sing their part based on the shape of the notes.
bodenking 1 year ago
Nice, thanks for sharing!
JimboJitsu 2 years ago
Powerful
sedona1111 2 years ago
Wonderful. Very moving. Thank you.
irateofwatford 2 years ago
Read the book RIDES THE WIND its the story about Cynthia Ann Parker and her life with the commanches its absolutely amazing!
Blondecowgrl09 2 years ago
It is amazing. I've read it.
BlueOrchidMoon77 2 years ago
@BlueOrchidMoon77 ive also read it gooood book. i dident want it to end. Another good one is "a sarrow in our heart the life of tecumseh"
wfcxtoxic 1 year ago
Thanks! I plan to...
Pickinbuddy 1 year ago
@Blondecowgrl09 i read that it is awesome!
wfcxtoxic 1 year ago
@Blondecowgrl09
Someone probably made a movie about her right??
bjornar84 8 months ago
film rewelacyjny i muzyka super. Wielkie dzięki !!!!!!!!!!!
TheZamek 2 years ago
The song is moving, even I do not understand anything. The soulful vibration is somewhat strong, not easy to describe. Thank you very much.
1952410 2 years ago
well said.
TheNevab4 2 years ago
What is the title of the second tune?
saulthemagnificent 2 years ago
Christian Soldier.
The beginning gets cut off on here, but the words are "Am I a soldier of the cross" etc.
johnbahler 2 years ago
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Rachulie 2 years ago
Unity gives us stregth in adversity
Good song unites us all.
pauljmeyer1 2 years ago
Holy shit! That's beautiful!
madderbass 2 years ago 6
hell yes it is..awesome...
dogsee1 2 years ago
@madderbass Not To be rude or mean, but it just doesn't seem right to describe the beauty of this hymn with cuss words...
hithisisamy 1 year ago
This was beautiful. Thanks for posting.
MySweetSelf 2 years ago 11
The song is played during Battle of the Crater, where the Confederate's brutally defeated the Union at the Siege of Petersburg in 1864.
The movie, "Cold Mountain (2003)"
Jaxar1 2 years ago
they defeated the Union troops only because of drunk Gen. Ledlie sent them into HELL. Great song.
duanekuiper 2 years ago
What about the brutal actions of the Federal troops against ALL of the Confederacy?...against both Euro and Afro Southerners?...what about the dastardly campaigns of generals Sherman and Sheridan?...there...you will find brutality in at the hands of beast!!!
SilentSepia 2 years ago
you started it and we finished it-what about andersonville et al. . atrocities on both sides. afro-southerners? funny
duanekuiper 2 years ago
"You Started it and we finished it" - This is very ignorant and simplified statement concerning the origins of this war. Your response is just rhetorical soundings without knowledge...I was responding to another statement that required a proper response. I never denied that on both sides, wrongs were commited. But history stands as to the brutality of Northern Forces against the entire population of The South, INCLUDING AfroSoutherners! Many were murdered and raped at the hands of Union Troops!
SilentSepia 2 years ago
Lincoln was known to disrespect the AfroAmerican. Gen Sherman hated them with racist zeal. AfroAmericans in The North were marginalized in many facets of the political process. Sec of War Stanton and many Radical Republicans were bent on destroying the entire South...and they did not give a damn about the Black Man and Woman! Slavery was but part of the Equation in The War Between The States. History is written by Victorious Liars and Truths are withheld from the Telling of Accurate History!
SilentSepia 2 years ago 2
And yes DuaneKuiper...Afro-Southerners...and many did serve as front line troops and in the Southern Forces...there were NO segregated units...Euro, Afro, and Native Soldiers served side by side, ate together, bivouaced together, fought together and died together! And I guess you have no knowledge that the THIRD largest Slave Owner was a AfroSoutherner in South Carolina? Did you know that JEB Stuart taught Sunday School to A-S children and taught them grammer so as to read their Bibles?
SilentSepia 2 years ago
DuaneKuiper...just how much do you know of Southern History and Culture? Of The War Between The States? Of AfroSouthern Culture? Of Native Culture in The South? Of Spanish and Mexican Culture in The South? Of the economic history of Our Nation before, during and after The War? Of the Draft Riots in NYC? Of the DESTRUCTION of Habeas Corpus by Lincoln and his VIOLATION of Constitutional Rights of Citizens within The State of Maryland in the begining of The War? Of Atrocities against civilians?
SilentSepia 2 years ago
DuaneKuiper...The South did not start The War! It was based on Economics! Slavery was not the cause, it was one of many factors. The South DID NOT not commit Rebellion...IT SECEDED! It was not a Civil War by definition. It seperated itself from a Union that had become a tyrant in economics and politics. YOU DID NOT FINISH A DAMN THING! Your response is typical Yankee Ignoramass Rhetoric! And you laugh at the term "Afro-Southerner" but your laughter is based on lack of knowledge-Ignorance!
SilentSepia 2 years ago
Yes, I'm from the northeast and I agree with a lot of what you said; it is very well reasoned. And it is true that history is written through biased accounts; even I was taught to hold an ignorant view of the South and its history. There are many sides to this story, and it is a shame that our system refuses to teach us history through all accounts. Ignorance tears us apart.
Also, this is a beautiful video. Thanks! :)
WindyMelly 2 years ago 2
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bigy78 2 years ago
THis song is just amazing! I found it long time ago, but video were deleted. Im so glad I found it again tho!! Is this really a Christian prayer? Anyway I think the music fits this vid very well! But does anyone know how these lyrics were sung in the first place?
veslajento 2 years ago
They are sang exactly has they were orginally written. It's called Sacred Harp music.
BlueOrchidMoon77 2 years ago
Love the film Cold Mountain and the music in it is amazing especially this piece.
123laurajean 2 years ago
American Indian people are fooled by the liberal agenda; they enslave themselves still to the U.S. Government. Liberals want to enslave American Indian people with MORE BIG (BIA) GOVERNMENT but now its not just the Native Americans they want to enslave all Americans!
pimadave 2 years ago
One of my favorite things about Shape note singers is that they don't talk religion or politics at conventions. Let's keep it that way, eh?
humanbeingboy 2 years ago 2
Look at the pics; dont tell me thats not religion or politics. Non confrontation is not in the warrior (Play nice and put up your weapons American Indian People) blood. It was the liberal agenda that hurt the Indian People.
pimadave 2 years ago
The brutal mistreatment of the American Indians wasn't a matter of liberals and conservatives. It was power-hungry Europeans against people they thought didn't deserve the basic right of humanity. Don't go trying to tack your modern political labels onto it. "Liberal" and "Conservative" are but two meaningless words that tyrants and fools use to turn brother against brother!
JYoung135 2 years ago 4
LIAR
pimadave 2 years ago
THANK YOU!
madderbass 2 years ago
@ JYoung: You're so right. Those labels are nothing but lies - the purpose is only to keep people distracted from seeing the truth & separated from each other. Rather than looking at issues, personalities & performance, people belong themselves to one of the clubs. "I'm a this" or "I'm a that" and then they're separate, protecting their this or that. Obama is liberal? But he keeps Bush (conservative) policies moving forward. No difference, except to keep people in the this or that club.
Marleyites 2 years ago
Didn't you just place everyone (but you) into a "club" (the people placing people into "clubs") by saying so?
So technically....you're the same as everyone else (me included)...
...it's a 'thinker'...
Anyhoo....awesome song
DeviantFormula 2 years ago
Moron!
powbob 2 years ago
stinking spoiled punk
pimadave 2 years ago
Beautiful!
thewhiteopsdude 2 years ago
Very amazing images to accompany that sacred harp piece. Any history behind when/where the song was recorded and by whom?
A great piece all around. I stumbled onto this by accident, and as with many a great thing found that way, I'm so glad I did.
Salaam!
crisisz 2 years ago
It's from the Cold Mountain movie soundtrack.
BlueOrchidMoon77 2 years ago
Gotcha. Thanks for the quick reply. Be good :)
crisisz 2 years ago
"Idumea was a Greek word meaning "pertaining to Edom". This term was given by the Greeks and Romans for the country of Edom on the S borders of Judea inhabited by Idumeans (Edomites) (Mark 3:8; Is 34:5-6; Ezek 35:15; 36:5)."
The lyrics are an early Christian prayer... What the native Americans have to do with it I don't know....
orionislib 2 years ago 6
@orionislib Not exactly an "early Christian prayer." The words were written by Charles Wesley in 1763. Music by Ananais Davisson in 1816.
mh605 1 year ago
@orionislib edom is the Biblical tribe of where the white race comes from. The white race are known as the "edomites" in the Bible due to their lack of pigmentation (esau was born red, blood showing through his skin due to being cursed with white skin).
endofsuffering83 1 year ago
Idumaea certainly makes these images as haunting as they should well be portrayed...
Commentarian1 2 years ago
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urchop 2 years ago
I am informed. I know all about that. Why are you such an asshole? Why do you send comments to everyone on race trying to rile them up. Get a life.
BlueOrchidMoon77 2 years ago
Well done. The music is powerful. The images are quite moving. This is a prime example of the whole being greater than the sum of it's parts. This work speaks for itself. Resist the temptation to respond to those who can neither create nor appreciate.
JTB1956 2 years ago 2
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Not native americans but, mongolians
urchop 2 years ago
Say what? Sorry, Native Americans to me.
BlueOrchidMoon77 2 years ago
as a registered member of the choctaw nation by grace of bloodline i can say native american, not mongolian, my ancestors were protecting, defending and preserving their land, birthright and way of life. what is your ancestry?
dirtysummabishes 2 years ago 3
The second song's name is 'am I born to die?' You can see videos of Tim Erkisen performing it. It's actually not a Native American song, its called Sacred Harp singing - american traditional.
jhunter6147 2 years ago
whats the name of the second song please respond
TAZZ135 2 years ago
when i have a trying day at work, I play this video to put a little fire in my belly. Well Done.
jimmylohr 2 years ago
very moving song, versatile poetry at the least.
outcold252 2 years ago
great song and great video!!!!
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AboriginalCanadian 2 years ago
are you back jodylynn? :D
0kangitanka0 3 years ago 3
what does this song have to do with native americans
supermelon928 3 years ago