Stockhausen: "Zeitmasze" 1/2

[BeakismEIU]

I did an analysis of this piece during an independent study course in college, and one of the more interesting things I discovered, whether intentional or not, is that at least 75% of the notes occuring in a common time with at least one other part are either a half step or a tritone away from at least one other note. Even with all five in time together almost every note is at that interval from some other simultaneaously, even during the most complicated rhythms.

[kiribula]

This is calming me down.... very filmesque

[rinoritymeport]

Zeitmaße <--- :)

[jwf3148]

I have been listening to this composition regularly since 1964...and am ever pleased to hear it again...for me, it is a mood, an experience, one which is attractive, intriguing and satisfying. Thank you....

[PCPTPCPT]

"Art music" has nothing to do with "emotions".

[freggiani1]

@GrandMofffOrdaz

how can you love what you do not understand? are you afraid to be misjudged by those who, supposedly, understand more than you?

Have the courage of your own opinions

[Luggagerecords]

@freggiani1 how about through the function of music to stimulate parts of our emotive structures in different ways through processes rooted in primitive human traits that it will only ever be man's best estimation to explain?

[freggiani1]

@Luggagerecords

Which emotions are you talking about? It is impossible to really love this sort of music without a rational understanding of it, unless one is loving more the act of listening this music than the music itself.

I disagree with your vision of the world (e.g. emotive structures instead of emotions): everything appears reified and objectified, killing that natural naivete and purity of feeling that is necessary to unrestand art beyond the limits of analysis.

[delphiz99]

tried a few things, and besides appreciating the technical mastery, still don't like the sound of it...

[kiribula]

@delphiz99 It's beautiful

[onclevanja]

Stockhausen is actually operating with five tempo "modes" in this piece. 1. He constructs a tempered logarithmic tempo scale in twelve steps (analogous to the pitch octave) (This tempo theory was also used in his more famous Gruppen). 2. He prescribes the tempo "as fast as possible" and 3. "as slow as possible" (play the phrase in one breath). 4. acc and 5. rit. All this tempo systems are overlaid, but there are also passages where all the instrument have some kind of common time.

[NewMusicXX]

I'm sure the confusion stems from the translation from German to English. I am forced to rely on the English verions since I don't read German

[GreggaryPeccary]

Such an oldschool charm to the recording quality. Btw, it's Zeitmasse, not masze, masse for "mass"

[NewMusicXX]

I understand what you're saying about "mass". I'm using the spelling from the DG recording and from the Robin Maconie book, "Stockhausen on Music", a collection of lectures by S., from which I lifted the information in the annotations, all of which use the spelling with z instead of s.

[GreggaryPeccary]

Strange. You find just as many Zeitmasse results as you do masze when you google it, although that makes no literal sense at all.

[auF0]

There is the german word "Maß" which means measure. So I think in german it would be correct with a "ß"