well think about it. It's never said that Dr. Gordon is dead, we just assume that he is because we don't hear about him throughot the rest of the series (until he was confirmed to be in Saw 7). So it would not be impossible for Dr. Gordon to get the medical supplies. Nobody else knew he was in his trap so unless he told someone there would be tons of people who were none the wiser
But still these are good well-thought-out conclusions
@SuperJasontheman STUPID THATS PROOF YOU DIDNT WATCH THE MOVIE HOFFMAN DOESNT DIE NEITHER DOES GORDON and pm if you wanna know who the other 2 pigsmen are
alright i kind of get what ur saying but it cood have been hoffman or tuck or amanda suppling dr gordon with the mdecial stuff. they cood have some ties with people in the hospital
People you don't remember when in the autopsy room when it was Perez and Erickson the same doctor was there you now Dr. Hefner was there and hoffman i think say some think about So yo can tell the same nife how cut the jigsaw puzzel of baxter stomich the person how kill Hoffman sister Hoffman say somethink to Dr. Hefner telling hem with a smille god work like telling hem you are next on the game like hes aprentice
i member watching Saw 4 where Strahm is in the Head cude trap you can clearly see some standing there in the back ground but you can't see who it is cause of the Bubbles in the way its wearing a hooded robe its not Hoffman i mean it if was then hes a fast son of a bitch
you know Raw im gonna have to agree with you i mean when i was reading this i mean when i watch saw 3 i didn't suspected Hoffman to be the jigsaw killer but you do have some good points im gonna have to wait til Saw 7, i mean it does make sense that if Gordon was alive and well he could behind it i mean in the Saw 2 movie its saw 2 when he said i was his Patient and Gordon was mine, i mean this could be a leak but im just gonna have to wait and see
it could be doctor gordon, if you go on imdb it says the movie is staring tobin bell & cary elwes. cary elwes is doctor gordons character, why would he star in the movie if he has nothing to do with it. hes clearly a big part of saw 7 if they're saying hes staring in it. so weather hes jigsaws helper or not, he must be alive or something if hes got that big of a part in the movie. think about it.
well i already know that gordon is alive and that the plot for saw 7 is that all the survivors from the traps team up to play a game on jill( seeings how she the new apprentise) and it will be in 3d and it will come out october 31 and also it will be the last saw movie in the franchise if u do not beleive that is on u but it is true :)
On the part where you say "Everyone thinks his dead" that's not true no one saw the body of Gordon or Adam not even Zepp's that means no one know's except jigsaw and some victims of SAW 2 except amanda she's not a victim
He didn't weight he stomach because that would have costed way tp much time if they'd have done it like in reality. They first weight lungs, look at the heart and about ten other things before checking the stomach. Would have been an awesome movie.
Lionsgate has confirmed that Dr. Gordon will be back in Saw VII.Just go to the official Saw website,or go to The IMD and type ins Saw VII.That's proof!!!!!
@RAWsoulja317 the eye tape in saw 2 of that guy michael... everyone says the dude putting the key in his eye is gordon but i always disagreed cause as you said people think hes dead and ive said that before too.. but gordon is a surgeon.. surgeons go into people and cure diseases.. they dont put things into peoples eyes as seen in the saw 2 video tape of michael and you say hefner perfroms autopsys so yes he could have sliced open michaels eye and put the key in cause jigsaw cant do it
@pimpcrapinpeace theres actual movie trailers that state hes alive and i saw a sneak peek that showed him talking in an interveiw in saw 7. theres my proof
If Gordon was dead then we all know jigsaw just leave the body where it dies on but if he did so then where the fuck is Gordon's body in SAW 2 when Amanda and Daniel ran to the bathroom?
And John disliked Gordon before he was tested. Gordon was taking his family for granted and by the end of saw one he realized how much they meant to him (cutting off his own foot to try to save them) clearly learning the lesson John intended. I could be right or I could be talking out of my ass. Also no medical equipment was used until after saw 1, so maybe, won't know until 10/2010, can't wait to find out
If you pay attention none of the traps before or during the events of saw 1 required any sergical procedure. Then the traps started becoming more complex and clearly required someone with sergical experience to make without killing the subject. Key in eye from 2,Troys trap and kerrys trap from 3, the husband and wifes trap from 4, inserting the key in the guy in saw 6, I'm just saying.
@RAWsoulja317 wanna get your message across go to this link toberoon is on serious acid and hallucinogens he thinks Dr Gordon is in SAW7 when the cast shows Dr Hefner lol
You know, it never even occured to me that it may be him!! Ive seen him on all the cast listings but just never thought he could be anything more. I know that having Dr Gordon be in on the whole thing would be the dream ending, but im getting less hopeful with each installment that that will happen x x
Yeah the fact that the Actor who played Gordon also sued them xD I think Hefner is most likely, Detective Hoffman only had a small part in Saw 3 then he became major in 4 and turned out too be the new Jigsaw. =]
yo ur a bad saw fan. In saw 6 heffner didnt help jigsaw!IT WAS JILL!!!Think before u say somethin cause u do to much mistakes and heffner was in saw 6.
His only line was "ive examined every victim of the jigsaw killer" to hoffman and when he told him that hoffman was anxious. PROOF u dont know one thing ur talkin about
you post a video then, since you know everything about saw
and heffner was jigsaw secret apprentice, he was backing up jigsaw where hoffman couldn't.
heffner examined every body from a jigsaw murder scene. which means jigsaw would only want some things found from an autopsy (like jigsaws tape for example) which would lead the fbi away
I mean Gorden was never found dead or said to be dead everyone just expected it because there's nothing truly mentioned about him, but Ive had that Idea about Gorden since movie 2 because of the video of the guy planting the key in the guys eye, if you notice the guy in the video is limping, Dr Hefner did not have a hurt foot Dr Gorden did, and if you notice Dr Gorden is mentioned in each movie.
True But t be honest Jigsaw never truly trusted anyone but Jill, All of his used people for his games he never really trusted so trust isent the issue, and when was this confirmed by the Director? I'm sorry I'm a devoted fan and I dident hear of this so I was just wondering?
no, remember his body was never found? how could they know he is dead? it never said or showed him die or dead. No one in any saw movie said anything about Gordon (they did mention lots of proofs he might be alive, no proof he is dead).This is all ur evidence of hefner being the apprentice, when there is at least 100 clues to Gordon being the next apprentice? srry to say this.... but the theory on dr gordon is more logical
i agree with yupperdoo, however, if you remember from SAW VI, will had a scar on his right side. SAW II, michael's eye for the trap, SAW III, all of the medical equipment. I do think it is possible that heffner might be the next jigsaw, jill tuck only carried out john's "last will". plus she runs a clinic so she won't be the next jigsaw, you also gotta remember the package she dropped off in the hospital. my guess, its Dr. Gordon's office. i will try to find proof that supports it
Jill only did that too Hoffman because it was the last thing Jigsaw needed her too do for him, so I doubt its going to be Jill as the new Jigsaw. Theres a chance it might be Dr Gordon, but since the actor who played him did sue them maybe not xD I think its quite likely that its maybe hefner or someone else :P
agreed, and ofc Hefner cut hes stomach open, your supposed to check what theyve eaten/inhaled, to find the reason that they died. so i dont think its Hefner
he was in there for like 30 seconds but he said enough.
dr.gordon was showing students around in saw 1, he really wasnt doing much prac work, if hefner was doing autopsys on all the victims, hed still have surgical skills needed for the traps
@RAWsoulja317 isn't that him in saw 6 who says "i've examined every body in the jigsaw murders" cos as soon as i heard him say that i wondered why he felt the need to say that, it seemed pointless to have him say that unless what you think is true then it will make more sense
shit man, you know your stuff for sure, its prolly just both, hefner and gordon. i wont be surprised, why would hefner sit behind a door with a camera? it cant be him who jill dropped off that package, thats gotta be gordon i think, but they could both be helping him, theyre both logical ppl behind it all, idk how the brutal killings and tortures satisfy everyones mind, kinda crazy, the saw movies are just that damn good
I honestly believe Dr. Gordon somehow lived and performed that key to the head on the guy in Saw 2 on the video, it shows him limping with his right foot performing the procedure...and in Saw I, he sawed off his right foot. A surgeon with all that skill can heal himself and might be an accomplish with Jill Tuck, just my guess.
I do agree maybe Dr. Henfer. He does cut open more people probably then Dr. Gordon. I mean, he is more of the doctor you when you go in and see if there is anything wrong. When was the last time Dr. Gordon cut anyone open when he was at the hospital?
theres still one more accomplace we dont know about... he works at angel hospital, if dr gordon is missing still (saw 4) he wouldnt still be working there, hefner works there...
jesus pal slow down the clips, and fucking the autopsy scene isn't a clue he knew it was work for homicide because (quote from saw 6 by hefner) HEFNER- "I have handled every Jigsaw case" HOFFMAN- "good for you".
Yeah, but Jigsaw also said that if you anticipate the human will, you leave nothing to chance. All his games had two sides. He hints about the best way out of the outcome but allways the victim chooses the bad way.
Hefner obviously worked for the morgue not the hospital...Sorry to tell you but Jill is the one (I've seen Saw VI) Think about it..John had some medical supplies but in Saw III he obviously didn't have alot...Jill has better access because she's better acquainted with John and works at the clinic.
that was very good research. just one problem: you said that hefner could have got lynn in the locker room. in a flashback in SAW 6, jigsaw tells amanda that she has to go capture lynn now, and began our game....
the items were revealed(somewhat) in saw 6! one was the bear trap,6 envalopes(w/people to be tested) including Hoffman! and the mystery package jill dropped off at the hospital!
I hadn't yet seen Saw6 'cause i leave in Europe and it is only relesead at the end of November/beging of December.
But if you that Jill puted Hoffman in Amanda's trap i think she made it 'cause the contense of the box. It's only a theory 'cause i think the contence ofthe box wasn't yet revelead...
all i can say is GENIUS!!!!!!! but i seen saw 6 and the ending jill put haufman in amandas head trap and said game over and shut the door and in one flash back amanda told haufman youl pay and her did because he has nevver been tested soo REALLY REALLY GOOD THEORY but....idk ill have to catch up with you after saw 7 lol
I need to see Saw 3 again to check that part out. Well if its not his shirt to indicate that he survived, what was the point for Jeff to look at it and look back at it, had to mean something other than " Holy shit theres a bloody shirt"
Well just throwing it out there but could that shirt be the original Jigsaw's shirt as well. When he played the role of the dead person with the gun, he too had a white shirt that had a bit of blood in it.
The Jonh Kramer autopsy scene we don't really understand it because his body was recovered from the scenes that happened in that warehouse in Saw III and Saw IV.
So if Jonh came from a crime scene with 6 dead bodies and with the neck cutted, only after Dr. heffner find a tape in is stomach he calls the homicides and Det. hoffman?!?!?! That doens't make any sence...
I think this autopsy just doens't fix. It's something wrong about it, about that things i talked it's very strange...
well in saw 2 where the guy had the mask of nails, when he wakes up, a tape plays, and the person who puts the key behind his eye is LIMPING. watch carefully when you watch saw 2. and in saw 3 where lynn and jigsaw are talking lynn says "Dr.Gordon was your doctor." and jigsaw says "And Dr.Gordon was my patient" which mean jigsaw helped him POSSABLY put his foot back on? Think about it. I'm 99.9% sure it's gordon.
in saw 2 the limping scene was a joke by the producers, and when someone is ur patient that means u help them, and by helping him jigsaw ment redeming himself in the game
yo dude i no heffner could also be a acomplice cus if u watched saw 6 he worked on the body of the beggning of saw 6 from eddy although we no what he looks like unmasked
if youve seen saw vi, aparently you see hefner at the party that jigsaw and william are at, i ve gone to the movie a few times to see if he was there but i cant see him, so if your going to see the movie keep a look out for him there
Dude, it has been stated that Hefner is going to be TESTED. How can he be the next Jigsaw? Plus, every TRUE fan knows that Hoffman succeded John (1st Jigsaw) when he died in Saw 3/4
easy, amanda was tested, hoffman was tested. they passed and became accomplaces, heffner could have been with jigsaw for ages, or he was tested, so this is just to make him look like a victim
remember in saw 3 jeffs walking to the next trap in the hall and theres a white blood stained t-shirt hanging on something and thats the shirt dr gordon was wearing jeff looks at it twice maybe he is setting up a trap
it looks like some type of fire hose. hard to tell. def not a shirt though. And when he looks back u can clearly tell he isn't looking down, he's just looking back at the hallway.
good point but i mean this is why saw is the best horror franchise ever you dont know who the next killer is and theres so many people that could be the next jigsaw the creaters really are smart
all you gordonites or whatever you call urselves are all the same, you have this little box around your head and as soon as someone has proof its not gordon, you friggin lose it
This would kind of explain it, if you remember that the locker room door was locked that Jill was in, and someone would have to have access to keys at that hospital to lock it and kidnap her. And you're right, I think I do remember seeing a guy that looked like Hefner on Saw 3 during one of Lynn's flashbacks doing surgery. If not Dr. Gordon, Hefner would have to be the only logical outcome for the final accomplice, considering all the extreme surgical knowledge to pull off most of the games.
one more thing.i dont know if you people noticed but gordon was mentioned in every single saw movie after 1.they never wanted you to forget him(which seems to have worked).and jigsaw must have come across him on the way out and since gordon won,in a way,he helped him out.like the tagline says "he helped me".im not saying that gordon is an acomplice.but maybe hes being held captive like eric mathews was.
wow dude this is a great theory.now personally i think the contents of jill's box is evidence to prove hoffman is the new jigsaw.remeber in saw 5 wen jigsaw said he had evidence to lock up hoffman and it would be released at the time of his death?and remeber wen hoffman found the note that said"i know who you are" in his desk?ithink jill put that there.remember in saw 2 in the video wich showed the guy getting his eye removed?the surgeon was dragging his right foot.gordon?
This Theory Is Well Thought Out....Ive Watched This Whole Argument Between Who Is Giving Hoffmen His Test....I Dont Like Hoffmen That Much...Ive Been Watching Saw Ever Since It Came Out And I Truely Want To Know Whats In That Damn Box! Not To Cause A Problem But I Really Want Dr.G To Come Back Just Because We Never Knew What Happen To Him XD I Hate Not Knowning Its Like A Sin!But This Makes Sense About The Whole Medicine Thing But My Argument To That Is Maybe He Still Has A Key To Get Into Meds?
in the box is pictures of jill tuck, like jigsaw used when he stalked his victims.
and it is true how gordon (if he was/is alive) would have a key, but there would be security cameras. hefner works at the same hospital that gordon did, he wouldnt look as suspicious.
Well You Said The Most Likely Accomplice Was Dr. Hefner Or Watever Just A Wild Thought What IF *Repeat* IF They Were Working Together? Just A Quick Thought That Crossed Through My Mind Last Night.
the saw producers want us to think its gordon ever since they did that joke in saw 2. i admit if gordon came back it would be interesting to see what he does, but he is in the new saw video game, so i reckon he will die there.
i dont know tbh. But dr gordon scenario would be very conclusive to the saw movies by saying that he was operating in all saw movies beginning from the second one.
Dr Hefner would still be good, but not as good as Dr Gordon since he (technically) survived and did not appear since then and no movies showed what happened to him.
Also, Adam would be a great Jigsaw too...I always thought Detective Matthews son Daniel would be in another Saw movie, but I don't see that happening now
I completely agree with you 100%. I know for a fact it's NOT Dr. Gordon because he/and the actor playing his roll is not in the cast. Also, Jigsaw was the one limping in that video during surgery because he got shot in the first Saw and was limping after that...Also, Heffner would be the perfect for Jigsaw! Everyone think about that...the doctor who does the autopsy on "Jigsaw"...maybe Heffner is the original Jigsaw and John Kramer was just playing part of the game....
heffner is completely incorrect it shows lawrence at the end of saw 7 being the killer
totterdell 1 month ago
hefner is dead
crazy94stretch94 1 year ago
well think about it. It's never said that Dr. Gordon is dead, we just assume that he is because we don't hear about him throughot the rest of the series (until he was confirmed to be in Saw 7). So it would not be impossible for Dr. Gordon to get the medical supplies. Nobody else knew he was in his trap so unless he told someone there would be tons of people who were none the wiser
But still these are good well-thought-out conclusions
bak2dafuture2 1 year ago
Wrong. I saw Saw 3d and it IS Gordon. Good theory, but wrong. (BTW, he is killed by Hoffman in Saw 3d)
SuperJasontheman 1 year ago
@SuperJasontheman gorden does NOT die in saw7. neither does hoffman
Dre4m2D3fy 1 year ago
@Dre4m2D3fy noob hoffman hoffman dies in the end
pouloskostas 1 year ago
@pouloskostas hm... no, its not shown^^ but i think he will
XxPunkerkittyXx 10 months ago
@SuperJasontheman STUPID THATS PROOF YOU DIDNT WATCH THE MOVIE HOFFMAN DOESNT DIE NEITHER DOES GORDON and pm if you wanna know who the other 2 pigsmen are
ogcb13 1 year ago
jigsaw not did
that is a trap
jigsawq8 1 year ago
Dr.gorden did some traps,tgey reveald it at the end of saw 7 and he kills Hoffman + the wife dies
Madman66521 1 year ago
alright i kind of get what ur saying but it cood have been hoffman or tuck or amanda suppling dr gordon with the mdecial stuff. they cood have some ties with people in the hospital
AlmostFamousFilms 1 year ago
People you don't remember when in the autopsy room when it was Perez and Erickson the same doctor was there you now Dr. Hefner was there and hoffman i think say some think about So yo can tell the same nife how cut the jigsaw puzzel of baxter stomich the person how kill Hoffman sister Hoffman say somethink to Dr. Hefner telling hem with a smille god work like telling hem you are next on the game like hes aprentice
marlachadi 1 year ago
you wrong
66DoctorGordon 1 year ago
i member watching Saw 4 where Strahm is in the Head cude trap you can clearly see some standing there in the back ground but you can't see who it is cause of the Bubbles in the way its wearing a hooded robe its not Hoffman i mean it if was then hes a fast son of a bitch
Jake99746 1 year ago
you know Raw im gonna have to agree with you i mean when i was reading this i mean when i watch saw 3 i didn't suspected Hoffman to be the jigsaw killer but you do have some good points im gonna have to wait til Saw 7, i mean it does make sense that if Gordon was alive and well he could behind it i mean in the Saw 2 movie its saw 2 when he said i was his Patient and Gordon was mine, i mean this could be a leak but im just gonna have to wait and see
Jake99746 1 year ago
Maybe dr gordon asked for dr hefner to get stuff from the hospital.
vargasisking 1 year ago
dude you make a gud point about dr gordon being dead and cant just walk in a hospital lol
MrRJ2K10 1 year ago
@MrRJ2K10 medical stuffs in jigsaw's etablisment
Trizikilla123 1 year ago
it could be doctor gordon, if you go on imdb it says the movie is staring tobin bell & cary elwes. cary elwes is doctor gordons character, why would he star in the movie if he has nothing to do with it. hes clearly a big part of saw 7 if they're saying hes staring in it. so weather hes jigsaws helper or not, he must be alive or something if hes got that big of a part in the movie. think about it.
LoveMacMakeupxox 1 year ago
You're actually the first person to make me think (0.2%) that Hefner could be involved. x]
DanzoXIO 1 year ago
What was the name of the Saw remix you used?
oddworlddude 1 year ago
*you mean Oct 22nd...
amazingcrazylad 1 year ago
well i already know that gordon is alive and that the plot for saw 7 is that all the survivors from the traps team up to play a game on jill( seeings how she the new apprentise) and it will be in 3d and it will come out october 31 and also it will be the last saw movie in the franchise if u do not beleive that is on u but it is true :)
toontownrulesmyworld 1 year ago
On the part where you say "Everyone thinks his dead" that's not true no one saw the body of Gordon or Adam not even Zepp's that means no one know's except jigsaw and some victims of SAW 2 except amanda she's not a victim
mrWWE135 1 year ago
He didn't weight he stomach because that would have costed way tp much time if they'd have done it like in reality. They first weight lungs, look at the heart and about ten other things before checking the stomach. Would have been an awesome movie.
tobitobide 1 year ago
Lionsgate has confirmed that Dr. Gordon will be back in Saw VII.Just go to the official Saw website,or go to The IMD and type ins Saw VII.That's proof!!!!!
DwayneHawkCP 1 year ago
@DwayneHawkCP dude it could be a flash back too hoffman isent dead get that in ur guyses head
spreadshot9 1 year ago
Comment removed
FL1PP3RR 1 year ago
no its docter gorden becuse in saw 2 opining trap the tape filmed jigsaw limping witch is docter gorden
codejake101 1 year ago
ive got actual proof dr gordon is 100 percent alive
JamezFlamez90 1 year ago
@JamezFlamez90 yer hat is it?
RAWsoulja317 1 year ago
@RAWsoulja317 *what
RAWsoulja317 1 year ago
@RAWsoulja317 the eye tape in saw 2 of that guy michael... everyone says the dude putting the key in his eye is gordon but i always disagreed cause as you said people think hes dead and ive said that before too.. but gordon is a surgeon.. surgeons go into people and cure diseases.. they dont put things into peoples eyes as seen in the saw 2 video tape of michael and you say hefner perfroms autopsys so yes he could have sliced open michaels eye and put the key in cause jigsaw cant do it
AdamFaulkner1 1 year ago
@AdamFaulkner1 maybe hefner is just smarter and try to make peoples thinks hes Gordon ^^
Trizikilla123 1 year ago
@Trizikilla123 perhaps.. but theres no proof that hefner has any foot injuries..
AdamFaulkner1 1 year ago
@RAWsoulja317 *what
RAWsoulja317 1 year ago
@JamezFlamez90 Go on then where is your proof that gordon is alive??
pimpcrapinpeace 1 year ago
@pimpcrapinpeace theres actual movie trailers that state hes alive and i saw a sneak peek that showed him talking in an interveiw in saw 7. theres my proof
JamezFlamez90 1 year ago
@JamezFlamez90 was that the one where hes talking to doctor heffner?
RAWsoulja317 1 year ago
@RAWsoulja317 yes
JamezFlamez90 1 year ago
@pimpcrapinpeace I agree with codejake101
Here's my proof
If Gordon was dead then we all know jigsaw just leave the body where it dies on but if he did so then where the fuck is Gordon's body in SAW 2 when Amanda and Daniel ran to the bathroom?
mrWWE135 1 year ago
@JamezFlamez90 me too! i've got video how he says game over! ;)
MrKing377 1 year ago
theres actually a proof, its none of them. there can be more people helping jigsaw.
maybe the makers of saw even check sites like this for the comments to do it how none expects or something.
if you think about it closely, theres way.
talking closely about the truth in film... i mean are you serious? it will reveal...
pivoterkiller 1 year ago
And John disliked Gordon before he was tested. Gordon was taking his family for granted and by the end of saw one he realized how much they meant to him (cutting off his own foot to try to save them) clearly learning the lesson John intended. I could be right or I could be talking out of my ass. Also no medical equipment was used until after saw 1, so maybe, won't know until 10/2010, can't wait to find out
ryan53662 1 year ago
@ryan53662 damn right saw 7 will answer all
RAWsoulja317 1 year ago
If you pay attention none of the traps before or during the events of saw 1 required any sergical procedure. Then the traps started becoming more complex and clearly required someone with sergical experience to make without killing the subject. Key in eye from 2,Troys trap and kerrys trap from 3, the husband and wifes trap from 4, inserting the key in the guy in saw 6, I'm just saying.
ryan53662 1 year ago
his name isnt on it prove it to me
RAWsoulja317 1 year ago
@RAWsoulja317 wanna get your message across go to this link toberoon is on serious acid and hallucinogens he thinks Dr Gordon is in SAW7 when the cast shows Dr Hefner lol
ThePortuguesePrince 2 years ago
You know, it never even occured to me that it may be him!! Ive seen him on all the cast listings but just never thought he could be anything more. I know that having Dr Gordon be in on the whole thing would be the dream ending, but im getting less hopeful with each installment that that will happen x x
faybelline01 2 years ago
FUck here we go again! Dr Gordon is not his accomplice! I will lay rest your false rumors! Saw 7 - Dr.Gordon is alive! \ Dr.Hefner is helping Jigsaw
JUSTINIGHTMARE 2 years ago
it could be
no one is sure
NOVERDSAGGAF 2 years ago
Yeah the fact that the Actor who played Gordon also sued them xD I think Hefner is most likely, Detective Hoffman only had a small part in Saw 3 then he became major in 4 and turned out too be the new Jigsaw. =]
doctorwhogirl123 2 years ago
thank you thats the message im trying to get across, but so far no one else belives it
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
yo ur a bad saw fan. In saw 6 heffner didnt help jigsaw!IT WAS JILL!!!Think before u say somethin cause u do to much mistakes and heffner was in saw 6.
His only line was "ive examined every victim of the jigsaw killer" to hoffman and when he told him that hoffman was anxious. PROOF u dont know one thing ur talkin about
sonicdusk 1 year ago
you post a video then, since you know everything about saw
and heffner was jigsaw secret apprentice, he was backing up jigsaw where hoffman couldn't.
heffner examined every body from a jigsaw murder scene. which means jigsaw would only want some things found from an autopsy (like jigsaws tape for example) which would lead the fbi away
RAWsoulja317 1 year ago
Hoffman.
olenongelma 2 years ago
I mean Gorden was never found dead or said to be dead everyone just expected it because there's nothing truly mentioned about him, but Ive had that Idea about Gorden since movie 2 because of the video of the guy planting the key in the guys eye, if you notice the guy in the video is limping, Dr Hefner did not have a hurt foot Dr Gorden did, and if you notice Dr Gorden is mentioned in each movie.
JessxXxo 2 years ago
its all true, but the limping man was jigsaw confirmed by the director,
plus the more gordon gets mentioned the more jigsaw sounds like he didnt trusted him
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
True But t be honest Jigsaw never truly trusted anyone but Jill, All of his used people for his games he never really trusted so trust isent the issue, and when was this confirmed by the Director? I'm sorry I'm a devoted fan and I dident hear of this so I was just wondering?
JessxXxo 2 years ago
saw forum, its where a few spoilers where leaked
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Okay thats pretty kewl. Omg I'm o fucking excited saw 7 is going to be out in 3D It's like hell yea xp so I'm Jess btw :]
JessxXxo 2 years ago
Saw VII in 3D? What Next? Saw VIII On Ice?
jeager1999 2 years ago
Comment removed
xxDKmanxx 2 years ago
@JessxXxo so is paranormal activity 2 so if they don t bring back Jigsaw as a twin
Saw 7 will flop big time and I heard Halloween 3 3D will open up around halloween (king of halloweens)
ThePortuguesePrince 2 years ago
no, remember his body was never found? how could they know he is dead? it never said or showed him die or dead. No one in any saw movie said anything about Gordon (they did mention lots of proofs he might be alive, no proof he is dead).This is all ur evidence of hefner being the apprentice, when there is at least 100 clues to Gordon being the next apprentice? srry to say this.... but the theory on dr gordon is more logical
ladiplecharry 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Watch Movies like the jigsaw killer in saw 7 prt 1 at W W W . TV-Video . us
amsdenbaxtert 2 years ago
ah i got it yea he shoulda wiehed it before cutting it open
specialagentstrahm 2 years ago
they did not weigh the stomach because it had a tape in it lol simple then they got hoffman to check it out homiside
specialagentstrahm 2 years ago
but they weighed the brain, and you are supposed to weigh the organs before doing anything with it.
plus he squeezed the stomach like he knew somthing was in there...
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
i agree with yupperdoo, however, if you remember from SAW VI, will had a scar on his right side. SAW II, michael's eye for the trap, SAW III, all of the medical equipment. I do think it is possible that heffner might be the next jigsaw, jill tuck only carried out john's "last will". plus she runs a clinic so she won't be the next jigsaw, you also gotta remember the package she dropped off in the hospital. my guess, its Dr. Gordon's office. i will try to find proof that supports it
jigsawsmaster18 2 years ago
I dont think so, because he is not a surgeon, and is very difficult for a foresinc to operate a person.
And John is an engineer and could made a prosthesis for the Doctor... Isnt it? Anyway... Good job mate!
Emporiopollo 2 years ago
maybe but in SAW 2 the doctor who operates michael limps (I hope there's no errors, my english is not very good :S ^^)
rainbowrize41 2 years ago
no it is not dr ive seen it hunderd times
superellieboo 2 years ago
lol this is turning into a mystery movie rather than horror............this hidden accomplice could be someone nobody expects
codetyrant 2 years ago
Jill only did that too Hoffman because it was the last thing Jigsaw needed her too do for him, so I doubt its going to be Jill as the new Jigsaw. Theres a chance it might be Dr Gordon, but since the actor who played him did sue them maybe not xD I think its quite likely that its maybe hefner or someone else :P
doctorwhogirl123 2 years ago
@doctorwhogirl123
its jill
Merkalation 2 years ago
who did she leave the pakage for, its not gordon
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
@RAWsoulja317
its ither the rich kid junkey from saw V
the realistate developer from saw V
or the girl from the first trap from saw VI
Merkalation 2 years ago
serosily,i really did not get that???
donCALLAN 2 years ago
The last reason, about the names of the creators is a good theory.
yupperdoo 2 years ago
great theory!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5/5
jakebown15 2 years ago
smart think man...whether youre right or not though...we will see
BlueAsGrass 2 years ago
it saw jill not gorden but it might in 7 8 or 9
digidude3000 2 years ago
agreed, and ofc Hefner cut hes stomach open, your supposed to check what theyve eaten/inhaled, to find the reason that they died. so i dont think its Hefner
teagid 2 years ago
nah its agent hoffman thats the killer
teagid 2 years ago
there is someone else though
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Maybe, but im about 90% sure its not Lawrence
teagid 2 years ago
yea and thats Jill Tuck, SAW VI reveals it
667766667 2 years ago
who was the lady at :14
djchickennuggets 2 years ago
jill tuck
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
pretty good theroy but i think it might just be gordon but then again i understand what you mean bout the equipment
a0Hannah0A 2 years ago
is it weird that that make perfect sense? you've gave me alot to think about, i think you may be right as he's in saw 6 as well
michaelkay 2 years ago
he was in there for like 30 seconds but he said enough.
dr.gordon was showing students around in saw 1, he really wasnt doing much prac work, if hefner was doing autopsys on all the victims, hed still have surgical skills needed for the traps
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
@RAWsoulja317 isn't that him in saw 6 who says "i've examined every body in the jigsaw murders" cos as soon as i heard him say that i wondered why he felt the need to say that, it seemed pointless to have him say that unless what you think is true then it will make more sense
michaelkay 2 years ago
lol dude i think your being a bit paranoyed about the organs its a film and they take things out of it to make it the right length of film...
Mackers60 2 years ago
like 2 seconds extra in a movie is gonna ruin anything
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
shit man, you know your stuff for sure, its prolly just both, hefner and gordon. i wont be surprised, why would hefner sit behind a door with a camera? it cant be him who jill dropped off that package, thats gotta be gordon i think, but they could both be helping him, theyre both logical ppl behind it all, idk how the brutal killings and tortures satisfy everyones mind, kinda crazy, the saw movies are just that damn good
valpoboy05 2 years ago
whos office did jill drop the package off at
yohi1817 2 years ago
dont know there wasnt a sign on the door, but jigsaw said it was her way out...
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
I honestly believe Dr. Gordon somehow lived and performed that key to the head on the guy in Saw 2 on the video, it shows him limping with his right foot performing the procedure...and in Saw I, he sawed off his right foot. A surgeon with all that skill can heal himself and might be an accomplish with Jill Tuck, just my guess.
Helix619 2 years ago
ive seen saw vi a couple of times now and in part 2 ill try and explain some of that
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
u know your shit ill give you that
xxtompreecexx 2 years ago
well..
it's possible :D
blackflames4213 2 years ago
I do agree maybe Dr. Henfer. He does cut open more people probably then Dr. Gordon. I mean, he is more of the doctor you when you go in and see if there is anything wrong. When was the last time Dr. Gordon cut anyone open when he was at the hospital?
scottieman2 2 years ago
idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!its jigsaws wife i saw it it was badass
pimpslicker214 2 years ago 2
theres still one more accomplace we dont know about... he works at angel hospital, if dr gordon is missing still (saw 4) he wouldnt still be working there, hefner works there...
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
its jill tuck. i have seen saw 6
tobiaap500 2 years ago
jesus pal slow down the clips, and fucking the autopsy scene isn't a clue he knew it was work for homicide because (quote from saw 6 by hefner) HEFNER- "I have handled every Jigsaw case" HOFFMAN- "good for you".
obxsurfer21 2 years ago
yeah, and hoffman was on every jigsaw case, he was the accomplace. heffner does every autopsy...
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
the killer was hoffman/ jill tuck
mewolfe1 2 years ago
Yeah, but Jigsaw also said that if you anticipate the human will, you leave nothing to chance. All his games had two sides. He hints about the best way out of the outcome but allways the victim chooses the bad way.
jeager1999 2 years ago
Hefner obviously worked for the morgue not the hospital...Sorry to tell you but Jill is the one (I've seen Saw VI) Think about it..John had some medical supplies but in Saw III he obviously didn't have alot...Jill has better access because she's better acquainted with John and works at the clinic.
MetropolisUnitedProd 2 years ago
that was very good research. just one problem: you said that hefner could have got lynn in the locker room. in a flashback in SAW 6, jigsaw tells amanda that she has to go capture lynn now, and began our game....
Good research tho
SK8ERBOYYY5797 2 years ago
yeah, but that realy dosent rule out much though
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
the items were revealed(somewhat) in saw 6! one was the bear trap,6 envalopes(w/people to be tested) including Hoffman! and the mystery package jill dropped off at the hospital!
and the tazer thing she zapped Hofman with.
ICthelies 2 years ago
I hadn't yet seen Saw6 'cause i leave in Europe and it is only relesead at the end of November/beging of December.
But if you that Jill puted Hoffman in Amanda's trap i think she made it 'cause the contense of the box. It's only a theory 'cause i think the contence ofthe box wasn't yet revelead...
BOTAS93 2 years ago
Comment removed
HollieHaytch93 2 years ago
all i can say is GENIUS!!!!!!! but i seen saw 6 and the ending jill put haufman in amandas head trap and said game over and shut the door and in one flash back amanda told haufman youl pay and her did because he has nevver been tested soo REALLY REALLY GOOD THEORY but....idk ill have to catch up with you after saw 7 lol
N1CKTH3GR34T 2 years ago
I don't understand other thing...
Jigsaw told Jeff that in his las mission he would be able to kill his son't killer...
And when Jeff arrives to the room Jonh Kramer tells him that he was the killer of his son:S.
How is that possible if Jonh Kramer never killed?? And who was Jeff's son true killer?
BOTAS93 2 years ago
Jigsaw never said he killed that guys son. It was the black guy in the twister thing that ran over his son.
fanuvgod1 2 years ago
Jigsaw (Tobin Bell) never killed anyone. He gave everyone a choice...according to him.
Might be without an eye, foot, arm, penis lol
MegaPatsfan 2 years ago
He still is directly involved with the outcome of the persons death, he wouldn't last a second in front of a court. It's murder.
obxsurfer21 2 years ago
I need to see Saw 3 again to check that part out. Well if its not his shirt to indicate that he survived, what was the point for Jeff to look at it and look back at it, had to mean something other than " Holy shit theres a bloody shirt"
Arcane1Soldier 2 years ago
wait maybe its the shirt his son wore when he got hit by the car
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
True. Good theory.
Arcane1Soldier 2 years ago
Well just throwing it out there but could that shirt be the original Jigsaw's shirt as well. When he played the role of the dead person with the gun, he too had a white shirt that had a bit of blood in it.
JinYagami 2 years ago
the shirt hanging up was colored, and jigsaw and gordons where just t-shirts
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
The Jonh Kramer autopsy scene we don't really understand it because his body was recovered from the scenes that happened in that warehouse in Saw III and Saw IV.
So if Jonh came from a crime scene with 6 dead bodies and with the neck cutted, only after Dr. heffner find a tape in is stomach he calls the homicides and Det. hoffman?!?!?! That doens't make any sence...
I think this autopsy just doens't fix. It's something wrong about it, about that things i talked it's very strange...
BOTAS93 2 years ago
in saw 6 he said he examined everybody from jigsaws murders, he sounds a bit suspicious, plus he tried to sound like hoffman was the bad guy
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
hoffman is behind it all and jill(jigsaws wife) is supplieing the medical supplies because jigsaw showed how he helped amanda stop using drugs
masterknowlege 2 years ago
It's The guy with the grey hair from saw 1.
Remeber in saw 1 he cut his foot off?
well in saw 2 where the guy had the mask of nails, when he wakes up, a tape plays, and the person who puts the key behind his eye is LIMPING. watch carefully when you watch saw 2. and in saw 3 where lynn and jigsaw are talking lynn says "Dr.Gordon was your doctor." and jigsaw says "And Dr.Gordon was my patient" which mean jigsaw helped him POSSABLY put his foot back on? Think about it. I'm 99.9% sure it's gordon.
bamagrl001 2 years ago
in saw 2 the limping scene was a joke by the producers, and when someone is ur patient that means u help them, and by helping him jigsaw ment redeming himself in the game
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Yea, but Gordon was a surgien. Jigsaw NOR Amanda Couldn't have done a HALF of the traps without a DOCTOR's help.
bamagrl001 2 years ago
that is true, but if u have seen saw vi you'll know by what jigsaw said about gordon that jigsaw dosent trust him
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
jill is behind all of this i just watched the movie
yazvideos44 2 years ago
yer i know, but dont rule ehffner out just yet, remember the parcel
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
yo dude i no heffner could also be a acomplice cus if u watched saw 6 he worked on the body of the beggning of saw 6 from eddy although we no what he looks like unmasked
yazvideos44 2 years ago
if youve seen saw vi, aparently you see hefner at the party that jigsaw and william are at, i ve gone to the movie a few times to see if he was there but i cant see him, so if your going to see the movie keep a look out for him there
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Dude, it has been stated that Hefner is going to be TESTED. How can he be the next Jigsaw? Plus, every TRUE fan knows that Hoffman succeded John (1st Jigsaw) when he died in Saw 3/4
AshWilliams999 2 years ago
easy, amanda was tested, hoffman was tested. they passed and became accomplaces, heffner could have been with jigsaw for ages, or he was tested, so this is just to make him look like a victim
similar to hoffman in 4
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
remember in saw 3 jeffs walking to the next trap in the hall and theres a white blood stained t-shirt hanging on something and thats the shirt dr gordon was wearing jeff looks at it twice maybe he is setting up a trap
Aidanrox123 2 years ago
it was a colored shirt, gordon had a t-shirt on
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
I agree. The shirt is one of the biggest clues that Gordon is alive and will be back.
Arcane1Soldier 2 years ago
its not gordons shirt, gordons was a t-shirt, the one hanging up was colored
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
that wasn't a shirt.
fanuvgod1 2 years ago
What was is and why did he look at it and looked back at it?
Arcane1Soldier 2 years ago
it looks like some type of fire hose. hard to tell. def not a shirt though. And when he looks back u can clearly tell he isn't looking down, he's just looking back at the hallway.
fanuvgod1 2 years ago
Well he does look at it and looks back for some reason, that means something, especially in saw movies where there are these type of clues . lol.
Arcane1Soldier 2 years ago
good point but i mean this is why saw is the best horror franchise ever you dont know who the next killer is and theres so many people that could be the next jigsaw the creaters really are smart
SomaGaming 2 years ago
I'm DEFINITELY putting my money on Gordon.
TaoJenChan 2 years ago
all you gordonites or whatever you call urselves are all the same, you have this little box around your head and as soon as someone has proof its not gordon, you friggin lose it
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Dude, I was just giving my opinion. o.o Chill.
TaoJenChan 2 years ago
This would kind of explain it, if you remember that the locker room door was locked that Jill was in, and someone would have to have access to keys at that hospital to lock it and kidnap her. And you're right, I think I do remember seeing a guy that looked like Hefner on Saw 3 during one of Lynn's flashbacks doing surgery. If not Dr. Gordon, Hefner would have to be the only logical outcome for the final accomplice, considering all the extreme surgical knowledge to pull off most of the games.
booste30 2 years ago
one more thing.i dont know if you people noticed but gordon was mentioned in every single saw movie after 1.they never wanted you to forget him(which seems to have worked).and jigsaw must have come across him on the way out and since gordon won,in a way,he helped him out.like the tagline says "he helped me".im not saying that gordon is an acomplice.but maybe hes being held captive like eric mathews was.
lukemaster20 2 years ago
it was the saw producers main goal, because not everyone noticed dr gordon was missing, and they wanted us to think he is alive.
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
wow dude this is a great theory.now personally i think the contents of jill's box is evidence to prove hoffman is the new jigsaw.remeber in saw 5 wen jigsaw said he had evidence to lock up hoffman and it would be released at the time of his death?and remeber wen hoffman found the note that said"i know who you are" in his desk?ithink jill put that there.remember in saw 2 in the video wich showed the guy getting his eye removed?the surgeon was dragging his right foot.gordon?
lukemaster20 2 years ago
This Theory Is Well Thought Out....Ive Watched This Whole Argument Between Who Is Giving Hoffmen His Test....I Dont Like Hoffmen That Much...Ive Been Watching Saw Ever Since It Came Out And I Truely Want To Know Whats In That Damn Box! Not To Cause A Problem But I Really Want Dr.G To Come Back Just Because We Never Knew What Happen To Him XD I Hate Not Knowning Its Like A Sin!But This Makes Sense About The Whole Medicine Thing But My Argument To That Is Maybe He Still Has A Key To Get Into Meds?
evilxhinata 2 years ago
in the box is pictures of jill tuck, like jigsaw used when he stalked his victims.
and it is true how gordon (if he was/is alive) would have a key, but there would be security cameras. hefner works at the same hospital that gordon did, he wouldnt look as suspicious.
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Well You Said The Most Likely Accomplice Was Dr. Hefner Or Watever Just A Wild Thought What IF *Repeat* IF They Were Working Together? Just A Quick Thought That Crossed Through My Mind Last Night.
evilxhinata 2 years ago
waw that was right x]
uno23sleep 2 years ago
horible prediction its dr. gordon smart one there is so much proof for it to be gordon....... this prediction is bull shit...
MrBlablabladd 2 years ago
all you dr gordon fans have your head in this little box, as soon as someone else says its someone else, you fucking go crazy.
quite frankly, there is little evidence to say gordon. give me three good ones and id consider tapping back
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
dr gordon scenario is much better
Kuwaiti1990 2 years ago
the saw producers want us to think its gordon ever since they did that joke in saw 2. i admit if gordon came back it would be interesting to see what he does, but he is in the new saw video game, so i reckon he will die there.
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
i dont know tbh. But dr gordon scenario would be very conclusive to the saw movies by saying that he was operating in all saw movies beginning from the second one.
Dr Hefner would still be good, but not as good as Dr Gordon since he (technically) survived and did not appear since then and no movies showed what happened to him.
Kuwaiti1990 2 years ago
acctualy in all the movies jigsaw gives no clue about dr.gordon but the new pics of his wife make her look like shes the jigsaw after all
AKIDPRODUCTION09 2 years ago
I never thought of that... major props.
this is one of the best theories
I've heard. but now i'm kinda upset because I won't be tricked when I see the movie :(
datboidrew 2 years ago
yeah sori bout that lol
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Good posibility this theory could be true!
MovieObsessor11 2 years ago
its pictures off her taken by the killer
which means she is being watched, and she dobed strahm in because he seemed the most logical to her because of the interagation in saw 4
RAWsoulja317 2 years ago
Also, Adam would be a great Jigsaw too...I always thought Detective Matthews son Daniel would be in another Saw movie, but I don't see that happening now
chaoticlucid 2 years ago
I completely agree with you 100%. I know for a fact it's NOT Dr. Gordon because he/and the actor playing his roll is not in the cast. Also, Jigsaw was the one limping in that video during surgery because he got shot in the first Saw and was limping after that...Also, Heffner would be the perfect for Jigsaw! Everyone think about that...the doctor who does the autopsy on "Jigsaw"...maybe Heffner is the original Jigsaw and John Kramer was just playing part of the game....
chaoticlucid 2 years ago