compared to L.P. were almost all of us morons. .he is among the brightest minds of history . his dad died at 34 his mom at 45 he did not have long life genes. . .he lived to 94 and is immortalized by his contributions to many different fields of science . . .the morons in the mirror go have a look
So I start researching this guy, and he claims that high doses of vitamin C will prevent/ cure cancer , and he took high doses all his life. I then find out that he DIED FROM CANCER. WTF, is this some kind of joke
You miss my point ! The guy claimed he found the answer to cure/stop cancer , and yet he died of cancer. I think its fair to assume he practiced the " cancer free protocols" he advised other to engage in and yet he got cancer and died from it. Seems like pretty solid evidence that he did not have the " cure " for cancer. Common sense.
and George Burns died at 100 and smoke and drank all his life. Do you not see the stupidity in a person claiming they have found the cure for a disease, and they take take the cure, and still die from the disease ? Looks like you are the fucking idiot now. LOL.
its not the age he died..its what he died of. Are you people this moronic ? If a person claims they are taking a protocol that stops/cures a disease, and then that person dies from the same disease they say they have cured, then its logical to assume they never had the cure for that disease, in the first place. My god you people are dumb,.
@enolaniaga Hi, do you have mental issues? what he died of is completely irrelevant. 94 is a very old age anyway and his theory didn't say it would 100% stop anything, nothing is 100%.
I have SO much respect for you! Maybe you are not right on the mark (if Vit. C prevented colds, I would never have a cold!) But I sure do respect you and your inquisitive mind.
I was sick for a few days once and just sat around watching TV and reading detective books. Damm, If I had only took that time to discover the Alpha Helix!!??
Great video...........to all of you who obviously can't think for yourselves, and for all of you who sit in front of the TV and listen to MSNBC like it is Christ speaking........I guess some people are just born that way; some people are just natural "Bootlickers" and other people actually think for themselves........to all you BootLickers out there, you would have loved Nazi Germany
Please also explain why pets, dogs, cats, have so many problems and diseases if they produce vitamin c. Please explain why they live short lives and have arthritis, joint problems, throwing up and vomiting, etc. Humans live 100 years, pets that produce vitamin C live 20 years. Wow, I'd like to be a pet. Maybe humans stopped producing so much vitamin C because it isn't needed... and other animals produce way too much.
Cats and dogs on balanced rawfood diets ARE healthy. Read up on commercial pet food mfg and you'll know why our pets are so sick.
Vitamin C is not the only nutrient we need, of course. But it is involved in so many body processes that at times supplementing it can seem like a cureall, IF your low-grade illnesses are from chronic vitamin C deficiency.
my family has a dog on a raw food diet and it still gets ear infections and throws up every once in a while. There's more to this than just vitamin C. It's genetics and a whole bunch of other things.
Kudos to your family for making dogfood for this pet. The key to keeping a cat or dog healthy on a rawfood diet is that it be nutritionally BALANCED.
But probably you know that.
And yes, of course, genetics and environment, etc., play a part in animal health. For instance, lawn weedkiller can hurt a pet. And ear mite infestations can cause infections, and so on.
But those things don't negate the benefits of vitamin C. See, e.g., YouTube vids on cancer and vitamin C, not only by Pauling.
@TheBrassHole no kidding, never did I say that a dog should be fed vitamin C. You read my post wrong. I said there is more to this than vitamin C. By this I mean it's not vitamin C that is the magic cure for all problems. My dog creates vitamin C naturally and it still gets infections. As do other dogs. This is not a magic bullet , folks. This is not the fountain of youth. This is not some magic pill in a bottle, nor is it a magic powder. Genes play a big role too.
AS we are today , an animal which weighs roughly 70 kg's produces upwards of 12 grams of vitamin c daily. go do your research ... and stop uttering retardedness. I should stop telling you to research cuse personally i want you to be an ignorant dumb shit , keep denying facts , and keep eating fast food and other garbage the sooner you die the better. your right Vitamin c is bad for you !!!i apologize you are correct
does that sentence say humans... no it says animals..
"please tell me why many people can live to the age of 95 without vitamin c supplements." what does this mean? more of your retardedness ... just go read a little or something yourfucking useless.
Because vegetarians don't go to McDonalds and eat french fries cooked in Canola oil. My diet consists of 3-15 fruits per day along with legumes, peas, etc.
... unless you are eating all organically grown food then it doesn't matter how many fruits or vegetables you are eating daily.
Really cats and dogs have soo many problems? which problems are you referring to? man your stupidity is embaressing , as i said before . Go do research , get an understanding of health , and orthomolecular medicine . You are just being a fucking idiot . i am not going to keep repeating fact. You are smarter than a 2 time nobel prize winner , pathetic you are
BeBopDeluxe, my family has pets and knows people that have pets who only eat raw meat and veggies ground up... no dog food. These pets throw up almost twice every month at least, they have constipation and ear aches. There is no holy grail. Some dogs are healthy eating pure shitfood like dried dog biscuits. Vitamin C is a holy grail. Iron is not produced in the body either... no one thinks it is a holy grail. Minerals... ALL MINERALs are not produced in the body.... salt! salt isn't produced.
So you admit to eating vegetables. Well now last I heard you get vitamins from vegetables. So you think being a vegetarian is the fountain of youth ??
ps249, do you know what logic is? you're not using it. Just because I happen to eat fruits, veggies, does not mean that I am going around like an idiot claiming that oranges and apples are the fountain of youth. Rather I eat this diet because I'm too lazy to cook and kill animals. NO other reason. I walked into my diet by accident when I moved out of home.
Yes I know what logic is and your not conforming to it. Your just an old hippie whos mind was always altered from your drug intake. You obviously didnt learn anything in school.
sorry buddy you are making all the wrong assumptions. I'm not old, I'm very young. I'm not a hippie, I've never taken drugs... only about 5 aspirins in my entire life
Also please explain why wild animals that are so healthy according to you, live shorter lives than animals in zoos that eat more human type foods and non raw foods. I'm actually researching the fact that DNA errors cause death - so if you can prove that somehow Vitamin C assists DNA in respect to creating less errors in cells, then please provide your evidence. There isn't some fountain of youth sitting in a pill bottle I'm afraid
do your research Vitamin c is essential for collagen production , collagen is the basic building block of our arteries / cardiovascular system. Thousands upon thousands of years ago, humans were capable of synthesizing vitamin C like most animals can today . During this period humans lived in a place that was abundant in tropic fruits , and other high vitamin c nutrients , thousands of years of eating a high amount of vitamin c , the body no longer needed to syntesize its own vitamin c .
you may have taken 50 grams and it may be just like drinking 8 beers - doing nothing for your health other than intoxicating yourself and having your liver/kidney organs overloaded
yea ive done some personal trials with vitamin c-ive taken about 2000 mgs a day and it actually causes kidney pain in my lower back. 500 mgs a day is a perfectly safe dose and is all you need. i mean who needs 5000 mgs a day? what kind of habits do you have that you need that much antioxidant protection-do you drink gasoline for breakfast? i dont think recommending 5 grams like the guy below is saying that is ludicrous and cant be safe
vitamin c is water solluble.... the toxicity rate in rates is 11.9 grams per kilogram .. translate that to humans.. your kidney pain was all in your mind. Linus pauling himself took upwards of 15 grams of vitamn c daily and lived to almost 95 years old. stop spreading disinformation do your research moron
...................................................... umm ya ok . Obviously you are stupid if you don't understand that vitamin c (absorbic acid) has no known toxicity rate . Linus pauling while taking 18 grams daily analyzed his urine and found that only 15 % was actually pissed out .. 15 % of 18 grams .... . His body used up the rest . I can't even believe you are comparing vitamin c intake to drinking fucking beer, and bringing up smoking man you are a dumb fuck.
please tell me why many people can live to the age of 95 without vitamin c supplements. I am willing to believe your bull shit if you provide evidence that extra Vitamin C does anything worthwhile. I'd also like you to take a critical scientific approach and find all cases where vitamin C has done harm, such as causing acidic Saliva and rotting teeth
What causes Arthritis? As you exercise, you wear down the gelatin covering on your hip bones. Where does the gelatin go? The blood liquefies & carries it to your bladder, until you decide to recycle. What if there was a way to recycle the gelatin, back into your joints? I have been recycling my gelatin for 22 years. I now am 68 & have no arthritis. You tube video:
I think TWO Nobel prizes qualifies him to comment. What a mind! I take 10 to 20 grams of C daily (i n crystal form) and have for the last 30 years. So far so good..LOL!
yes ps249 youre' absolutely righ: stomach cancer killed his wife: but the cancer was CAUSED by the megadoses of vitamin C Pauling forced her to take; this is according to the Arthur Robinson Instiute of Medicine and other well-known clinics
That is all correct gigoritia. In my book I do cite evidence that Pauling could well have actually killed his wife with his silly massive amounts of vitamin c
serafini seems to have a point; in his book on Pauling he ofers evidince that Pauling may have actually killed hiw wife with huge amounts of vitamin c; that book also describes how a staff member of pauling's institute was fired for showing thawt vitamin c actualy CAUSES cancer.
Ascorbate is essential (scurvy-connective tissue) so the depletion of vitamin C is obviously a detriment... HOw cna anybody say it's NOT "helpful" it's either a wonder cure or a joke well it's both! His reasoning was that aniomals like dogs can synthsize VIt C we can't. and it seems that it lasts about 6 hours in the blood so at least three to four time a day to have it accessible
You are not updated. Why do you keep referring to the same, old and poorly designed study? Newer evidence is available that suggests the opposite (that supports Cameron and Pauling's earlier research).
Is this the "new evidence" you're referring to? ;)
"Researchers at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York studied the effects of vitamin C on cancer cells. As it turns out, the vitamin seems to protect not just healthy cells, but cancer cells, too. The findings were published today in the journal CANCER RESEARCH.
The use of vitamin C supplements could have the potential to reduce the ability of patients to respond to therapy, said Dr. Mark Heaney
Padayatty SJ, Levine M Reevaluation of ascorbate in cancer treatment: emerging evidence, open minds and serendipity. J Am Coll Nutr. 2000 Aug;19(4):423-5
"Some clinicians and alternative therapy practitioners advocate megadose intravenous and oral ascorbate treatment of cancer. Randomized control studies using oral ascorbate showed no benefit. Recent data show that intravenous but not oral administration of ascorbate can produce millimolar plasma concentrations, which are toxic to many cancer cell lines. We propose that ascorbate treatment of cancer should be reexamined by rigorous scientific scrutiny in the light of new evidence."
My problem with you is that it's obvious you have not read my book. Thus it's pointless to continue arguing. When you HAVE read my book, then feel free to comment. However, it's obvious in any case that you are one of the food faddists who will defend Pauling blindly despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary
This question has not been settled yet so you are drawing conclusions not consistent with the research.
I know Pauling wasn't a saint. He was just a human with flaws like the rest of us. Accusing him of indirectly killing his wife, I find inappropriate without hard evidence.
The consensus between scientists is that vitamin C does NOT cause cancer. This is not controversial. Vitamin C is one of the most non-toxic substances there is.
joakimoi I've been following this thing between you and serafinicjes. Hate to but t in but it seems to me your getting your ass kicked. The research serafini presents is very very powerful which is why all reputable researchers dismiss Pauling as a crank
Are you referring to his book or his comments on youtube?
I have pointed out the flaws in the studies he has referenced which makes them inapplicable as evidence to refute Cameron and Pauling's findings. Please explain how you consider that "kicking my ass".
his comments on utube; seems to me that when he can cite the mayo clinic, sloan-kettering, 3 biographies of pauling, the New engl j of medicine while you cite self published books, 9 year old articles in minor journals and other utube videos. Well then he's kicked your ass from where I sit
I see. So you didn't really read any of the evidence nor considered the arguments, only checked the source of the claims?
Then my arguments should be weighted more than his, since I am soon a medical doctor (working on a doctorate on vitamin C) while he is a professor of violin. By your reasoning I would always win a discussion with him regardless of the content of my arguments, because I am more qualified.
Yes I've read his book and the mayo clinic study for starters; his book says he has a doctorate in the philos of science as well as a masters in biology. You say you're "soon a medical doctor" ...that's pretty funny actually, especially since medical schools don't give "doctorates in vitamin c", they give M.D. degrees
I'm not POSITIVE which of you guys is right, but you seem to be spouting a lot of BS.
Please tell me what needs to be clarified and I will elaborate. What exactly do you feel is BS? I'll be happy to provide you with the documentation for my claims if there is something you disagree with.
Well I say take high dose vitamin C for yourself and see what happens. Everyone at my wife's clinic takes about 5 grams when they feel a cold coming on and nobody ever gets sick. Speculation and personal trial are two different things
5) this was done in cells of myeloid and lymphoid lineage; vitamin c has been shown to kill cancer cells like these
[Park S, Han SS, Park CH et al. L-Ascorbic acid induces apoptosis in acute myeloid leukemia cells via hydrogen peroxide-mediated mechanisms.
Int J Biochem Cell Biol. 2004 Nov;36(11):2180-95]
6) the findings in the cohort in mice is invalid because the added amount of vitamin C is insignificant compared to the amount of vitamin C that the mice produce themselves
Conclusion: If for some reason it is necessary to use one of these drugs, it is possible to employ a cyclic combination therapy to get the benefits of both. Vitamin C has great value in reducing pain and increasing quality of life. Since vitamin C has a short half-life, the chemotherapy drug can be given continuously and vitamin C can be given in pulses with at least 10 hours between each dosage (normally it is a few days in between each intravenous administration).
"In their laboratory experiments on 43 cancer and 5 normal cell lines, the researchers discovered that high concentrations of ascorbate had anticancer effects in 75 percent of cancer cell lines tested, while sparing normal cells. [...] The ascorbate injections reduced tumor growth and weight by 41 to 53 percent."
Case-reports are useful for generating hypotheses. You are correct: randomized, controlled double-blind trials are considered the gold standard. However, poorly designed and misinterpreted they can be highly misleading, as in the case with vitamin C where pharmacokinetics rarely has been considered.
You are wrong. Besides, this is not a question of opinion. In order to replicate a study one need to make sure that the essential parameters remain the same (such as blood levels of the drug). Otherwise the study is poorly designed in regard of what the researchers want to achieve. If you disagree with this, your reasoning is not logical.
No no, you got it wrong. triple-blind studies are ineffective as well. It's quintuple-studies that have merit. Your side, my side, the truth, the beyond truth, and the absolute truth.
LOL
Double-blind, if done correctly (rarely) , are good enough
But they aren't as you have admitted so that's why they need triple. I say people give it a try for themselves and see what happens instead of quoting this study and that. I don't get sick if I take 3-5 grams
This is not accurate. I believe you are referring to Dr. Thomas Levy's book "Curing the Incurable: Vitamin C, Infectious diseases and Toxins" which contain 1200 references, most of them supporting the use of vitamin C in treating infectious diseases and intoxications. Dr. Thomas Levy does support the use of vitamin C in cancer treatment though.
Two articles in the NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE by the legendary MAYO CLINIC showing that vitamin C is worthless in treating cancer have been "debunked?" -- by whom?? Pauling's stooges? All 3 biographies of Pauling, by Tom Hager and Ted Goetzel and Anthony Serafini conclude that Pauling was wrong and that vitamin C is worthless in treating cancer. Do your homework man
The Mayo Clinic study used 10 gram per os as opposed to 10 gram per iv in the study by Pauling and Cameron. Therefore there replication is not valid because they did not achieve the same blood levels (there is a considerable difference). Newer studies have confirmed the tumoricidal effect of vitamin C. As the effect is dependant on generation of hydrogen peroxide, the oxygenation of the tumor tissue is an important factor.
Vitamin C has great potential as a therapeutic agent in treating cancer, because it targets cancer cells specifically. Your attitude is really stupid. Can't you see the value of this?
Nope -- I can't see the value of this -- and neither could the editors of the NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE, the cancer group at VA Commonwealth University, the laboratory of Michael Gimbrone M.D. at Harvard, Prof. Stare of Harvard, etc. etc.
sorry, Pauling and Cameron did NOT give ascorbate by IV. In fact neither clown did any controlled double-blind studies at all. You need to stop misleading people about this vit C nonsense, as it turns them away from REAL progress in the cancer fight
"Clinical and pharmacokinetic studies conducted in the past 12 years showed that oral ascorbate levels in plasma and tissue are tightly controlled. In the case series, ascorbate was given orally and intravenously, but in the trials ascorbate was just given orally. It was not realized at the time that only injected ascorbate might deliver the concentrations needed to see an anti-tumor effect" (continued)
compared to L.P. were almost all of us morons. .he is among the brightest minds of history . his dad died at 34 his mom at 45 he did not have long life genes. . .he lived to 94 and is immortalized by his contributions to many different fields of science . . .the morons in the mirror go have a look
earwax8toecheese 4 months ago
@enolaniaga until you research more and discover that he had cancer for over 20 years! and the VIT C slowed it down.
rockcityaudio 4 months ago
Awakening Blog has cancer cure documentaries google
maxinatlanta 5 months ago
I wish Linus was still with us today.
I imagine he would have a lot of interesting things to say about today's food, big pharma, etc.
He comes across as very trustworthy and believable. Unlike most doctors, who just push drugs.
cheeriosinabowl 6 months ago
So I start researching this guy, and he claims that high doses of vitamin C will prevent/ cure cancer , and he took high doses all his life. I then find out that he DIED FROM CANCER. WTF, is this some kind of joke
enolaniaga 6 months ago
@enolaniaga
no joke, at 94 he finally kicked the bucket-at some point, nature will have to win! would you not agree that 94 is a good age at which to die?
dnganga 6 months ago
@dnganga
You miss my point ! The guy claimed he found the answer to cure/stop cancer , and yet he died of cancer. I think its fair to assume he practiced the " cancer free protocols" he advised other to engage in and yet he got cancer and died from it. Seems like pretty solid evidence that he did not have the " cure " for cancer. Common sense.
enolaniaga 6 months ago
@enolaniaga
The guy died at NINETY-THREE, you fucking idiot. Did your "research" uncover that?
profd65 4 months ago
@profd65
and George Burns died at 100 and smoke and drank all his life. Do you not see the stupidity in a person claiming they have found the cure for a disease, and they take take the cure, and still die from the disease ? Looks like you are the fucking idiot now. LOL.
enolaniaga 4 months ago
@dnganga
its not the age he died..its what he died of. Are you people this moronic ? If a person claims they are taking a protocol that stops/cures a disease, and then that person dies from the same disease they say they have cured, then its logical to assume they never had the cure for that disease, in the first place. My god you people are dumb,.
enolaniaga 4 months ago
@enolaniaga Hi, do you have mental issues? what he died of is completely irrelevant. 94 is a very old age anyway and his theory didn't say it would 100% stop anything, nothing is 100%.
TheMoo1231 2 weeks ago
what takes human to start thinking?
DmitriCheckin 8 months ago in playlist Sci-Human Body Regeneration
I have SO much respect for you! Maybe you are not right on the mark (if Vit. C prevented colds, I would never have a cold!) But I sure do respect you and your inquisitive mind.
dumonceauxable 1 year ago
Esse cara é, sem duvidas, o maior cientista que o mundo ja viu!
reismartins6 1 year ago
I was sick for a few days once and just sat around watching TV and reading detective books. Damm, If I had only took that time to discover the Alpha Helix!!??
univibe23 1 year ago
Great video...........to all of you who obviously can't think for yourselves, and for all of you who sit in front of the TV and listen to MSNBC like it is Christ speaking........I guess some people are just born that way; some people are just natural "Bootlickers" and other people actually think for themselves........to all you BootLickers out there, you would have loved Nazi Germany
ChiefClickClack 1 year ago 10
@ChiefClickClack Couldn't have said it any better.
chisaoboy 8 months ago
@ChiefClickClack lol cynical much?
werewasyo 1 month ago
Now that's how you do science. Draw it on a piece of paper then fold it until it makes sense :D
ShawnD1 1 year ago 4
every clip the man's face just radiates joy
zeebeewee 1 year ago
Pauling , a legend and sadly missed in the healthcare community...
SovereignBeing 1 year ago 17
What are these discussions on Vit C for cats and dogs? They make their own Vit C - so I do not see the connection.
Humans, Primates and Guini Pigs (sorry for spelling) cannot make Vit C - so they have to get it from their food.
rnootebos 2 years ago
Please also explain why pets, dogs, cats, have so many problems and diseases if they produce vitamin c. Please explain why they live short lives and have arthritis, joint problems, throwing up and vomiting, etc. Humans live 100 years, pets that produce vitamin C live 20 years. Wow, I'd like to be a pet. Maybe humans stopped producing so much vitamin C because it isn't needed... and other animals produce way too much.
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
Cats and dogs on balanced rawfood diets ARE healthy. Read up on commercial pet food mfg and you'll know why our pets are so sick.
Vitamin C is not the only nutrient we need, of course. But it is involved in so many body processes that at times supplementing it can seem like a cureall, IF your low-grade illnesses are from chronic vitamin C deficiency.
HTH
splashcat 2 years ago
my family has a dog on a raw food diet and it still gets ear infections and throws up every once in a while. There's more to this than just vitamin C. It's genetics and a whole bunch of other things.
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
Kudos to your family for making dogfood for this pet. The key to keeping a cat or dog healthy on a rawfood diet is that it be nutritionally BALANCED.
But probably you know that.
And yes, of course, genetics and environment, etc., play a part in animal health. For instance, lawn weedkiller can hurt a pet. And ear mite infestations can cause infections, and so on.
But those things don't negate the benefits of vitamin C. See, e.g., YouTube vids on cancer and vitamin C, not only by Pauling.
splashcat 2 years ago
@tiptiptapable You would be doing alot of harm by giving a true carnivor vitamin C. Maybe you should study Limus Pauling in actual depth.
TheBrassHole 1 year ago
@TheBrassHole no kidding, never did I say that a dog should be fed vitamin C. You read my post wrong. I said there is more to this than vitamin C. By this I mean it's not vitamin C that is the magic cure for all problems. My dog creates vitamin C naturally and it still gets infections. As do other dogs. This is not a magic bullet , folks. This is not the fountain of youth. This is not some magic pill in a bottle, nor is it a magic powder. Genes play a big role too.
tiptiptapable 1 year ago
@tiptiptapable Didn't see where any was stating that vitamin C was the magic cure... But sorry if I mis understood.
TheBrassHole 1 year ago
AS we are today , an animal which weighs roughly 70 kg's produces upwards of 12 grams of vitamin c daily. go do your research ... and stop uttering retardedness. I should stop telling you to research cuse personally i want you to be an ignorant dumb shit , keep denying facts , and keep eating fast food and other garbage the sooner you die the better. your right Vitamin c is bad for you !!!i apologize you are correct
BeBopDeluxe85 2 years ago
"AS we are today , an animal which weighs roughly 70 kg's produces upwards of 12 grams of vitamin c daily"
humans don't produce vitamin C you idiot
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
does that sentence say humans... no it says animals..
"please tell me why many people can live to the age of 95 without vitamin c supplements." what does this mean? more of your retardedness ... just go read a little or something yourfucking useless.
BeBopDeluxe85 2 years ago
As for your naive comment that I eat junk food - I have been a vegetarian since 2001 you fucktard. Know who you are arguing with.
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
really a vegetarian wow ... how does that mean you don't eat junk food.
BeBopDeluxe85 2 years ago
Because vegetarians don't go to McDonalds and eat french fries cooked in Canola oil. My diet consists of 3-15 fruits per day along with legumes, peas, etc.
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
... unless you are eating all organically grown food then it doesn't matter how many fruits or vegetables you are eating daily.
Really cats and dogs have soo many problems? which problems are you referring to? man your stupidity is embaressing , as i said before . Go do research , get an understanding of health , and orthomolecular medicine . You are just being a fucking idiot . i am not going to keep repeating fact. You are smarter than a 2 time nobel prize winner , pathetic you are
BeBopDeluxe85 2 years ago
BeBopDeluxe, my family has pets and knows people that have pets who only eat raw meat and veggies ground up... no dog food. These pets throw up almost twice every month at least, they have constipation and ear aches. There is no holy grail. Some dogs are healthy eating pure shitfood like dried dog biscuits. Vitamin C is a holy grail. Iron is not produced in the body either... no one thinks it is a holy grail. Minerals... ALL MINERALs are not produced in the body.... salt! salt isn't produced.
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
The vitamin C that YOU eat is probably not organic.. most of it comes from shitty corn crops by the way.
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
you said "as we are today"
dib. That means "humans"... "we"
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
So you admit to eating vegetables. Well now last I heard you get vitamins from vegetables. So you think being a vegetarian is the fountain of youth ??
ps249 2 years ago
ps249, do you know what logic is? you're not using it. Just because I happen to eat fruits, veggies, does not mean that I am going around like an idiot claiming that oranges and apples are the fountain of youth. Rather I eat this diet because I'm too lazy to cook and kill animals. NO other reason. I walked into my diet by accident when I moved out of home.
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
Yes I know what logic is and your not conforming to it. Your just an old hippie whos mind was always altered from your drug intake. You obviously didnt learn anything in school.
ps249 2 years ago
sorry buddy you are making all the wrong assumptions. I'm not old, I'm very young. I'm not a hippie, I've never taken drugs... only about 5 aspirins in my entire life
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
Also please explain why wild animals that are so healthy according to you, live shorter lives than animals in zoos that eat more human type foods and non raw foods. I'm actually researching the fact that DNA errors cause death - so if you can prove that somehow Vitamin C assists DNA in respect to creating less errors in cells, then please provide your evidence. There isn't some fountain of youth sitting in a pill bottle I'm afraid
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
@BeBopDeluxe85 hahaa a year later and i come along, a real scientist...good POV btw, be bop
2pacalypse2010 1 year ago
do your research Vitamin c is essential for collagen production , collagen is the basic building block of our arteries / cardiovascular system. Thousands upon thousands of years ago, humans were capable of synthesizing vitamin C like most animals can today . During this period humans lived in a place that was abundant in tropic fruits , and other high vitamin c nutrients , thousands of years of eating a high amount of vitamin c , the body no longer needed to syntesize its own vitamin c .
BeBopDeluxe85 2 years ago
I've taken 50 grams or 50,000 mg in 24 hours with no problems. Vitamin C is one of the least toxic substances a human can take.
paids 2 years ago
you may have taken 50 grams and it may be just like drinking 8 beers - doing nothing for your health other than intoxicating yourself and having your liver/kidney organs overloaded
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
yea ive done some personal trials with vitamin c-ive taken about 2000 mgs a day and it actually causes kidney pain in my lower back. 500 mgs a day is a perfectly safe dose and is all you need. i mean who needs 5000 mgs a day? what kind of habits do you have that you need that much antioxidant protection-do you drink gasoline for breakfast? i dont think recommending 5 grams like the guy below is saying that is ludicrous and cant be safe
xrlk72 2 years ago
vitamin c is water solluble.... the toxicity rate in rates is 11.9 grams per kilogram .. translate that to humans.. your kidney pain was all in your mind. Linus pauling himself took upwards of 15 grams of vitamn c daily and lived to almost 95 years old. stop spreading disinformation do your research moron
BeBopDeluxe85 2 years ago
Some people that live to 90 years old are also smokers. What's your point?
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
...................................................... umm ya ok . Obviously you are stupid if you don't understand that vitamin c (absorbic acid) has no known toxicity rate . Linus pauling while taking 18 grams daily analyzed his urine and found that only 15 % was actually pissed out .. 15 % of 18 grams .... . His body used up the rest . I can't even believe you are comparing vitamin c intake to drinking fucking beer, and bringing up smoking man you are a dumb fuck.
BeBopDeluxe85 2 years ago
please tell me why many people can live to the age of 95 without vitamin c supplements. I am willing to believe your bull shit if you provide evidence that extra Vitamin C does anything worthwhile. I'd also like you to take a critical scientific approach and find all cases where vitamin C has done harm, such as causing acidic Saliva and rotting teeth
tiptiptapable 2 years ago
I've actually taken 10, 000 mg a day and I had no back pain at all. What I did have, however, I felt tired after taking Vitamin C.
pashedmotatos 2 years ago
buen finde
MARGADIANA 2 years ago
What causes Arthritis? As you exercise, you wear down the gelatin covering on your hip bones. Where does the gelatin go? The blood liquefies & carries it to your bladder, until you decide to recycle. What if there was a way to recycle the gelatin, back into your joints? I have been recycling my gelatin for 22 years. I now am 68 & have no arthritis. You tube video:
paul8kangas.
paul8kangas 2 years ago
I think TWO Nobel prizes qualifies him to comment. What a mind! I take 10 to 20 grams of C daily (i n crystal form) and have for the last 30 years. So far so good..LOL!
zenknown 2 years ago
There is nothing like a cold frizzling drink with vitamin C.
joakimoi 3 years ago
You may find this enlightening:
Google Video: ?docid=-4273844933746642993
joakimoi 3 years ago
yes ps249 youre' absolutely righ: stomach cancer killed his wife: but the cancer was CAUSED by the megadoses of vitamin C Pauling forced her to take; this is according to the Arthur Robinson Instiute of Medicine and other well-known clinics
You don't read or listen very carefully ;)
serafinichess 3 years ago
That is all correct gigoritia. In my book I do cite evidence that Pauling could well have actually killed his wife with his silly massive amounts of vitamin c
serafinichess 3 years ago
Stomach cancer killed his wife you dumbass.
ps249 3 years ago
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joakimoi 3 years ago
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Please tell me how vitamin C could possibly cancer. Please reference your evidence here.
joakimoi 3 years ago
serafini seems to have a point; in his book on Pauling he ofers evidince that Pauling may have actually killed hiw wife with huge amounts of vitamin c; that book also describes how a staff member of pauling's institute was fired for showing thawt vitamin c actualy CAUSES cancer.
gigoritia 3 years ago
Ascorbate is essential (scurvy-connective tissue) so the depletion of vitamin C is obviously a detriment... HOw cna anybody say it's NOT "helpful" it's either a wonder cure or a joke well it's both! His reasoning was that aniomals like dogs can synthsize VIt C we can't. and it seems that it lasts about 6 hours in the blood so at least three to four time a day to have it accessible
CosmicRay137 3 years ago
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serafinichess 3 years ago
Well, does the Mayo Clinic have an explanation for why I have not had a cold in seven years after doing what Dr. Pauling says?
Paracelsus2012 3 years ago 9
You are not updated. Why do you keep referring to the same, old and poorly designed study? Newer evidence is available that suggests the opposite (that supports Cameron and Pauling's earlier research).
joakimoi 3 years ago
Show me ONE respected scientist besides Pauling himself who claims the study was "poorly designed"
serafinichess 3 years ago
See answer above.
joakimoi 3 years ago
Is this the "new evidence" you're referring to? ;)
"Researchers at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York studied the effects of vitamin C on cancer cells. As it turns out, the vitamin seems to protect not just healthy cells, but cancer cells, too. The findings were published today in the journal CANCER RESEARCH.
The use of vitamin C supplements could have the potential to reduce the ability of patients to respond to therapy, said Dr. Mark Heaney
serafinichess 3 years ago
Please read this first:
Padayatty SJ, Levine M Reevaluation of ascorbate in cancer treatment: emerging evidence, open minds and serendipity. J Am Coll Nutr. 2000 Aug;19(4):423-5
joakimoi 3 years ago
"Some clinicians and alternative therapy practitioners advocate megadose intravenous and oral ascorbate treatment of cancer. Randomized control studies using oral ascorbate showed no benefit. Recent data show that intravenous but not oral administration of ascorbate can produce millimolar plasma concentrations, which are toxic to many cancer cell lines. We propose that ascorbate treatment of cancer should be reexamined by rigorous scientific scrutiny in the light of new evidence."
joakimoi 3 years ago
Have you even read the original article yourself?
joakimoi 3 years ago
Now you are not being critical, only rejecting. I will show you my interpretation of these findings:
1) this only applies to a selected group of chemotherapy drugs
2) the attenuating effect of vitamin C is dependant on administration of vitamin C shortly before administration of the drug
3) the concentration of vitamin C used was below the amount that is known to be toxic to cancer cells
4) vitamin C protects normal cells
joakimoi 3 years ago
My problem with you is that it's obvious you have not read my book. Thus it's pointless to continue arguing. When you HAVE read my book, then feel free to comment. However, it's obvious in any case that you are one of the food faddists who will defend Pauling blindly despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary
serafinichess 3 years ago
This question has not been settled yet so you are drawing conclusions not consistent with the research.
I know Pauling wasn't a saint. He was just a human with flaws like the rest of us. Accusing him of indirectly killing his wife, I find inappropriate without hard evidence.
The consensus between scientists is that vitamin C does NOT cause cancer. This is not controversial. Vitamin C is one of the most non-toxic substances there is.
joakimoi 3 years ago
joakimoi I've been following this thing between you and serafinicjes. Hate to but t in but it seems to me your getting your ass kicked. The research serafini presents is very very powerful which is why all reputable researchers dismiss Pauling as a crank
parolaccia3 3 years ago
Are you referring to his book or his comments on youtube?
I have pointed out the flaws in the studies he has referenced which makes them inapplicable as evidence to refute Cameron and Pauling's findings. Please explain how you consider that "kicking my ass".
joakimoi 3 years ago
his comments on utube; seems to me that when he can cite the mayo clinic, sloan-kettering, 3 biographies of pauling, the New engl j of medicine while you cite self published books, 9 year old articles in minor journals and other utube videos. Well then he's kicked your ass from where I sit
parolaccia3 3 years ago
I see. So you didn't really read any of the evidence nor considered the arguments, only checked the source of the claims?
Then my arguments should be weighted more than his, since I am soon a medical doctor (working on a doctorate on vitamin C) while he is a professor of violin. By your reasoning I would always win a discussion with him regardless of the content of my arguments, because I am more qualified.
Don't mistake authority for truth.
joakimoi 3 years ago
Yes I've read his book and the mayo clinic study for starters; his book says he has a doctorate in the philos of science as well as a masters in biology. You say you're "soon a medical doctor" ...that's pretty funny actually, especially since medical schools don't give "doctorates in vitamin c", they give M.D. degrees
I'm not POSITIVE which of you guys is right, but you seem to be spouting a lot of BS.
parolaccia3 3 years ago
It is possible to receive a doctorate from a university as well as a medical degree.
joakimoi 3 years ago
Please tell me what needs to be clarified and I will elaborate. What exactly do you feel is BS? I'll be happy to provide you with the documentation for my claims if there is something you disagree with.
joakimoi 3 years ago
Well I say take high dose vitamin C for yourself and see what happens. Everyone at my wife's clinic takes about 5 grams when they feel a cold coming on and nobody ever gets sick. Speculation and personal trial are two different things
SECFORT24 2 years ago
I cited the work of the scientists that have performed the pharmacokinetic studies on vitamin C.
The relevant articles I cited with evidence to counter his claims was NIH-studies (National Institutes of Health).
I have not cited any self-published books (as I have not published any books yet).
joakimoi 3 years ago
"The research serafini presents is very very powerful which is why all reputable researchers dismiss Pauling as a crank" - paro
"reputable" researchers ? Like them good folks from the NIH ? Hmmm. Operative word here you eggheads : Cancer "industry".
RideMyBMW 2 years ago
5) this was done in cells of myeloid and lymphoid lineage; vitamin c has been shown to kill cancer cells like these
[Park S, Han SS, Park CH et al. L-Ascorbic acid induces apoptosis in acute myeloid leukemia cells via hydrogen peroxide-mediated mechanisms.
Int J Biochem Cell Biol. 2004 Nov;36(11):2180-95]
6) the findings in the cohort in mice is invalid because the added amount of vitamin C is insignificant compared to the amount of vitamin C that the mice produce themselves
joakimoi 3 years ago
Conclusion: If for some reason it is necessary to use one of these drugs, it is possible to employ a cyclic combination therapy to get the benefits of both. Vitamin C has great value in reducing pain and increasing quality of life. Since vitamin C has a short half-life, the chemotherapy drug can be given continuously and vitamin C can be given in pulses with at least 10 hours between each dosage (normally it is a few days in between each intravenous administration).
joakimoi 3 years ago
inappropriate?? How do you know that having not read my book?
Perhaps God told you this? LOL!!
serafinichess 3 years ago
Some preliminary evidence:
[wx3] [dot] nih [dot] gov
[slash] news [slash] health [slash] aug2008 [slash]
niddk-04.htm
According to these findings vitamin C would qualify as an anti-cancer drug.
joakimoi 3 years ago
"In their laboratory experiments on 43 cancer and 5 normal cell lines, the researchers discovered that high concentrations of ascorbate had anticancer effects in 75 percent of cancer cell lines tested, while sparing normal cells. [...] The ascorbate injections reduced tumor growth and weight by 41 to 53 percent."
joakimoi 3 years ago
Linus Pauling was a genius!
Everyone must read THE definitive book on vitamin C
titled: "Ascorbate - The Science of Vitamin C" by Dr.
Steve Hickey and Dr. Hilary Roberts
Serrapeptase 4 years ago 2
I've been wearing a yellow shirt for 5 years and have never gotten the flu; I guess yellow shirts prevent flu
Anecdotal reports like yours are meaningless;(even assuming you're telling the truth) science works by controlled, double-blind studies
serafinichess 3 years ago
Case-reports are useful for generating hypotheses. You are correct: randomized, controlled double-blind trials are considered the gold standard. However, poorly designed and misinterpreted they can be highly misleading, as in the case with vitamin C where pharmacokinetics rarely has been considered.
joakimoi 3 years ago
The only serious scientist who ever claimed the Mayo Clinic studies were "poorly designed" was Pauling himself. Sorry
serafinichess 3 years ago
You are wrong. Besides, this is not a question of opinion. In order to replicate a study one need to make sure that the essential parameters remain the same (such as blood levels of the drug). Otherwise the study is poorly designed in regard of what the researchers want to achieve. If you disagree with this, your reasoning is not logical.
joakimoi 3 years ago
Actually double-blind studies are ineffective. It's better to have triple-blind studies. Basically it's your story,my story and the truth in a study
SECFORT24 2 years ago
No no, you got it wrong. triple-blind studies are ineffective as well. It's quintuple-studies that have merit. Your side, my side, the truth, the beyond truth, and the absolute truth.
LOL
Double-blind, if done correctly (rarely) , are good enough
unityemissions 2 years ago
But they aren't as you have admitted so that's why they need triple. I say people give it a try for themselves and see what happens instead of quoting this study and that. I don't get sick if I take 3-5 grams
SECFORT24 2 years ago
Paulings father died at 33, his mother died at 44, so he took an interest in longevity.
Animal tests on hamsters proves vitamin C taken hourly can double your life expectancy.
Pauling lived to 94. More proof.
Dr. Thom Levy wrote a new book on Vit C showing 1.200 studies that prove vitamin C, in high doses hourly can cure cancer.
See more videos at Youtube: : paul8kangas.
paul8kangas 4 years ago 3
when did he start taking it
kveldulfr 3 years ago
At age 60.
joakimoi 3 years ago
This is not accurate. I believe you are referring to Dr. Thomas Levy's book "Curing the Incurable: Vitamin C, Infectious diseases and Toxins" which contain 1200 references, most of them supporting the use of vitamin C in treating infectious diseases and intoxications. Dr. Thomas Levy does support the use of vitamin C in cancer treatment though.
joakimoi 3 years ago
"Animal tests on hamsters proves vitamin C taken hourly can double your life expectancy."
Give me evidence of this. I don't believe it until I see evidence.
pashedmotatos 2 years ago
I believe this would be news to science too.
abyssquick 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
A good night of sleep is the answer:p
I tried;)
Too much vitamines can make you live shorter..so who is correct?
Source: Cell Metabolism Journal and PLoS Biology.
Dont believe everything you see.
its still in debate as you see;)
wolverineeeeeeeee 4 years ago
That "source" you refer to was debunked. Linus Pauling
is correct. You need to wake up to the truth.
Soulnik 4 years ago 7
Two articles in the NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE by the legendary MAYO CLINIC showing that vitamin C is worthless in treating cancer have been "debunked?" -- by whom?? Pauling's stooges? All 3 biographies of Pauling, by Tom Hager and Ted Goetzel and Anthony Serafini conclude that Pauling was wrong and that vitamin C is worthless in treating cancer. Do your homework man
serafinichess 3 years ago
The Mayo Clinic study used 10 gram per os as opposed to 10 gram per iv in the study by Pauling and Cameron. Therefore there replication is not valid because they did not achieve the same blood levels (there is a considerable difference). Newer studies have confirmed the tumoricidal effect of vitamin C. As the effect is dependant on generation of hydrogen peroxide, the oxygenation of the tumor tissue is an important factor.
joakimoi 3 years ago
* their
joakimoi 3 years ago
Vitamin C has great potential as a therapeutic agent in treating cancer, because it targets cancer cells specifically. Your attitude is really stupid. Can't you see the value of this?
joakimoi 3 years ago 4
Nope -- I can't see the value of this -- and neither could the editors of the NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE, the cancer group at VA Commonwealth University, the laboratory of Michael Gimbrone M.D. at Harvard, Prof. Stare of Harvard, etc. etc.
You're out of gas pal
serafinichess 3 years ago
Vitamin C is the only non-toxic therapeutic treatment for cancer. It can be administered safely in doses above 100 grams iv per day.
joakimoi 3 years ago
Using traditional chemotherapy is like hunting rabbits with atomic bombs.
joakimoi 3 years ago
sorry, Pauling and Cameron did NOT give ascorbate by IV. In fact neither clown did any controlled double-blind studies at all. You need to stop misleading people about this vit C nonsense, as it turns them away from REAL progress in the cancer fight
Pauling was a quack: accept it and move on
serafinichess 3 years ago
Read for yourself:
[wx3] [dot] pnas [dot] org
[slash] content [slash] 73 [slash] 10 [slash]
3685.full.pdf+html
"10 g/day, by intravenous infusion for about 10 days and orally thereafter"
This study was not controlled nor double-blind. However, newer research support their findings. There is no reason to assume Pauling was a quack.
joakimoi 3 years ago
The information I have presented is accurate. You are the one who are misleading people.
Actually there hasn't really been made much progress in fighting cancer.
joakimoi 3 years ago
Several observations led the NIH researchers to revisit ascorbate as a cancer therapy. (continued)
joakimoi 3 years ago
"Clinical and pharmacokinetic studies conducted in the past 12 years showed that oral ascorbate levels in plasma and tissue are tightly controlled. In the case series, ascorbate was given orally and intravenously, but in the trials ascorbate was just given orally. It was not realized at the time that only injected ascorbate might deliver the concentrations needed to see an anti-tumor effect" (continued)
joakimoi 3 years ago
... said Levine, who noted that new clinical trials of ascorbate as a cancer treatment are in the planning stages.
joakimoi 3 years ago
Ummm.....what?
wannablikeu 4 years ago
The master has spoken!
ninfa10us 4 years ago 3