my hoof-trimmer has taken the flares out of my horse and he says that his feet are healthy, but he still stumbles even on small pebbles and when he runs his back feet sometimes stumble. i have seen him fall in the past when he was running and playing. now just the clumsiness with his back feet. i don't know what to think or do about this, so when i ride very occasionally i do not let him run at all.
@stonerdaddy420 That is of course possible but even though this was the only one I did pick up I have photographed others (when they were walking) and many of them looks the same.
sugar....sugar..sugar.....to humans sugar means ...granulated sugar in crystal or powder form.What makes the word sugar confusing is the form humans relate to....its all the other forms of sugar CONTENT in organic plants that is not so obvious that misleads folks,,,its present but we cant relate its presence.......its not so simple.....and i dont understand it either.....and sugar content rises and falls..in grasses and plants that horses may eat at any time or stage of growth durin the season..
the hormonal rushes is what made me think about gender.....i own a kiger mustang mare...her mood swings and horseanality goes crazy during her hormone cycle! !baroom!
@buddymacs Sex hormones are really strong but the most common hormone trigger is sugar. Sugar triggers insulin that triggers a firework of other hormones. Please visit NoFrog.NoHorse on Facebook
if i had to make a guess or drop dead.....i would suspect its in the water hole......??? fence that water off and give em fresh clean water to see if it goes away......but thats probably not possible there. cant blame it on crop dusters or the nuclear test site or old mine tailing sites..can u?
@buddymacs That is a really interesting thought. It is not that far away from the testing sites. The wind doesn't blow this way so it has never been considered dangerous to live here but that says nothing about the water. This water comes up through the ground just above these ponds then forms a small stream that goes out in the dessert and disappears due to the heat. When I think of it, I don't ever think I've seen a lame Mustang i Sheldon (border to Oregon). I´ll ask my fiend who care for them
CLEANTRAX is a very effective product for treating this......but the cause in first place needs to be sought,,,,,,there are so many variables working here its over my head to even guess at the cause......it has to be something that they eat or drink.. if it comes from the bloodstream......vrs something the horse puts his foot into......do you agree?
@buddymacs Thrush on domesticated horses is a live style issue. It is all about the balance in life. Most important I believe the balance between food and exercise is but modern laminitis research has taught us that even sudden high intakes can cause severe problems due to hormonal rushes.
laminitis.....here....some one is feeding them something......they are used to people..real feral horse would scatter like lightening,,,,,,1/4 mile away is all your gonna get....same as deer......etc .....or the nevada desert is highly mineralized...they could have tried some antimony, arsnic, or calcite etc the water hole could have high mineral content also
@buddymacs I too think they have eaten something they should not have, but what. I'm not sure about the human part though because I have sat down on the dessert floor (in the middle of nowhere/the dessert) and it doesn't take that long (couple of hours) before the Mustangs come and check me out so I would say they pretty curious.
You can easily see how the stallion is not handled daily and is indeed truly wild by the suprised and curious look he gets on his face when his hoof is picked up... I'm presuming he hasn't had his hoof picked up for a while or very often in the past?
The picture does not show thrush anyway. That horse, as tender footed as he seems would move a rider better than a shod horse. The thing about Big healthy fully formed coffin bones like the one you see in the pic, is that they will show tender foot at the slightest over growth of horn. These horses have different sensation in their hooves than domestic horses. They have more blood flow and therefore more feeling. So what you perceive as sensitive is different to them.
This is no news to me. I have been saying this for years. Mustangs are not wild horses. They are free range. There are no predators to these mustangs. They are in need of a trim as much as domestic horses. This is my native territory. These horses do not have a fungus, they have to much horn. Too much horn is the cause of thrush. Thrush is very easy to beat. It is by no means worse than P3 rotation.
Ive dissected hundreds of equine hooves, Ive spent weeks studying horses in the desert, Ive rehabilitated thousands of horses with sever hoof conditions. Im no rookie. This is however not about me or about you so please stop agitating. Everyone can see that these horses are suffering and if you have any related experiences or suggestion Im very interested.
But if you are only here to show of and criticize please go and talk to the mirror, no one is interested.
Here is what is wrong from my opinion, sitting in my house 2000 miles away. The horses have run into HUMANS, they look laminitic. They don't have thrush, there is no such thing as desert thrush. They are not wild if they were they would have never gotten near you, despite your crawling on the ground (oh puhlease).
Some well intentioned folks are feeding them Alfalfa! Get them to stop and you will be helping them.
@SwedishHoofSchool I am a native to the area you are referring to. These horses are in need of a trim. As I have been saying. They have no natural predator. They are not a perfect model for barefoot, only a good model.
@SwedishHoofSchool Look at a zebras foot if you want a perfect equine model. Horses need us now. They don't need us to shoe them. They need us to understand the way their hooves were intended to thrive. they were intended to grow and wear at an even pace. Lets think this through. The wild mustangs are not wearing like they were intended. They are more lazy than domestic horses. The answers are all here for us. Shoeing is not the answer.
This is really interesting because when they intended to move a distance some walked with long heel first steps (as if they wanted to use few steps) but when they were just moving around they were all walking extremely toe first. I might put that video out here too.
"Unbelievable how people, who have no knowledge, talk about diseases!
On this hoof from the photo is not at all any thrush! The black smelly substance is the fluid from the sweat glands in the frog! The horn is something solved to give space for new frog horn in the middle frog
That the horses are tender on the gravel may have to do with temporary lack of water - so the hooves are unelastic."
That was sent to me from a world-wide expert on wild horse feet when I showed her this video..
Interesting comment since there is no black and smelly substance coming from this hoof since it only is a fungus infection and the water hole is about 10' away from this horse who visits this creek every day. Misplaced sweat gland do appear in frog tissue on rear occasion (normally not) but that fluid is white.
I've seen severe thrush to the point the horse had NO frog, and bled when the dirt was cleaned out with a hoof pick, and the horse was not lame at all. One Clean Trax soak, and the horse healed up in a few weeks. The horse in this video more likely was suffering laminitis. Don't you notice how the horse is going hard to the HEELS to avoid the toe???? Horses lame from thrush will tip-toe to keep the frog unloaded. I would NOT rather see a horse foundered with bone sink/rotation than thrush!
You might have done that and I have seen horses with much healthier frogs suffering sever pain but each horse is different.
When it comes to sinkers and rotation they always are back running within about 3 months (rotation sometimes directly after the first trim) so I don't consider that especially serious. Since thrush is not isolated to the frog or even the hoof one treatment of anything will not make him sound. What you see in the frog is only a symptom.
I believe you. I have approached Feral horses on the NC coast that are supposedly wild. They are very used to living in close quarters with humans and you can get up really close. I imagine if you spent a lot of time with them you could take photos of their feet. But they have very flat under-run heels with bars that are like shields. Adapted to harsh environment and sparse vegetation, I wonder if they really live longer than domestic horses. I'm sure they don't suffer contraction issues though.
I was born and raised in Az....you cant walk up to a wild mustang and pick its foot up...good grief. these are domestic horses. that have been turn out on the range.
If what you mean by wild is that these horses were born in the desert and never been domesticated you can rest ashore that is the case. These mustangs do however live close to a village and are fairly used to see humans that do not harass them. I did spend hours crawling around on the ground photographing bottom of hooves without attempting to touch them before I kindly asked this gentleman if I could hold his hoof. Study his reactions closely and you will see that they are not domesticated.
Seriously, yes that is a free roaming Nevada Mustang stallion (and I did check a mare too). It is all about how many nice humans they have seen before. In Sheldon, NV where I usually study Mustangs it took me three hours to come with in 10 feet but there are very few people disturbing the Mustangs in Sheldon. Here at Cold Creek they are much more used to seeing humans.
my hoof-trimmer has taken the flares out of my horse and he says that his feet are healthy, but he still stumbles even on small pebbles and when he runs his back feet sometimes stumble. i have seen him fall in the past when he was running and playing. now just the clumsiness with his back feet. i don't know what to think or do about this, so when i ride very occasionally i do not let him run at all.
chrisvpena 2 days ago
@chrisvpena Please put your question (with photographs) on NoFrog.NoHorse on Facebook
SwedishHoofSchool 1 day ago
Could someone have dropped off a horse in the herd that already had thrush issues?????
stonerdaddy420 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@stonerdaddy420 That is of course possible but even though this was the only one I did pick up I have photographed others (when they were walking) and many of them looks the same.
SwedishHoofSchool 1 month ago
sugar....sugar..sugar.....to humans sugar means ...granulated sugar in crystal or powder form.What makes the word sugar confusing is the form humans relate to....its all the other forms of sugar CONTENT in organic plants that is not so obvious that misleads folks,,,its present but we cant relate its presence.......its not so simple.....and i dont understand it either.....and sugar content rises and falls..in grasses and plants that horses may eat at any time or stage of growth durin the season..
buddymacs 8 months ago
the hormonal rushes is what made me think about gender.....i own a kiger mustang mare...her mood swings and horseanality goes crazy during her hormone cycle! !baroom!
buddymacs 8 months ago
@buddymacs Sex hormones are really strong but the most common hormone trigger is sugar. Sugar triggers insulin that triggers a firework of other hormones. Please visit NoFrog.NoHorse on Facebook
SwedishHoofSchool 8 months ago
if i had to make a guess or drop dead.....i would suspect its in the water hole......??? fence that water off and give em fresh clean water to see if it goes away......but thats probably not possible there. cant blame it on crop dusters or the nuclear test site or old mine tailing sites..can u?
buddymacs 8 months ago
@buddymacs That is a really interesting thought. It is not that far away from the testing sites. The wind doesn't blow this way so it has never been considered dangerous to live here but that says nothing about the water. This water comes up through the ground just above these ponds then forms a small stream that goes out in the dessert and disappears due to the heat. When I think of it, I don't ever think I've seen a lame Mustang i Sheldon (border to Oregon). I´ll ask my fiend who care for them
SwedishHoofSchool 8 months ago
mares geldings and stallions are they all affected the same?
buddymacs 8 months ago
@buddymacs That is a good question, let me think...
I remember that the different horses showed different degree of lameness, and some no at all. I do believe the worst ones were mares.
SwedishHoofSchool 8 months ago
CLEANTRAX is a very effective product for treating this......but the cause in first place needs to be sought,,,,,,there are so many variables working here its over my head to even guess at the cause......it has to be something that they eat or drink.. if it comes from the bloodstream......vrs something the horse puts his foot into......do you agree?
buddymacs 8 months ago
@buddymacs Thrush on domesticated horses is a live style issue. It is all about the balance in life. Most important I believe the balance between food and exercise is but modern laminitis research has taught us that even sudden high intakes can cause severe problems due to hormonal rushes.
SwedishHoofSchool 8 months ago
laminitis.....here....some one is feeding them something......they are used to people..real feral horse would scatter like lightening,,,,,,1/4 mile away is all your gonna get....same as deer......etc .....or the nevada desert is highly mineralized...they could have tried some antimony, arsnic, or calcite etc the water hole could have high mineral content also
buddymacs 8 months ago
@buddymacs I too think they have eaten something they should not have, but what. I'm not sure about the human part though because I have sat down on the dessert floor (in the middle of nowhere/the dessert) and it doesn't take that long (couple of hours) before the Mustangs come and check me out so I would say they pretty curious.
SwedishHoofSchool 8 months ago
We are having advanced hoof discussions (in layman's terms) on "NoFrog.NoHorse" on Facebook. You are all welcome.
SwedishHoofSchool 1 year ago
You can easily see how the stallion is not handled daily and is indeed truly wild by the suprised and curious look he gets on his face when his hoof is picked up... I'm presuming he hasn't had his hoof picked up for a while or very often in the past?
Xsaraize 1 year ago
Excellent video! What do you think is the solution? The only thing that came to mind was introducing some predators to make them run more!
Xsaraize 1 year ago
The picture does not show thrush anyway. That horse, as tender footed as he seems would move a rider better than a shod horse. The thing about Big healthy fully formed coffin bones like the one you see in the pic, is that they will show tender foot at the slightest over growth of horn. These horses have different sensation in their hooves than domestic horses. They have more blood flow and therefore more feeling. So what you perceive as sensitive is different to them.
hoofrise 1 year ago
This is no news to me. I have been saying this for years. Mustangs are not wild horses. They are free range. There are no predators to these mustangs. They are in need of a trim as much as domestic horses. This is my native territory. These horses do not have a fungus, they have to much horn. Too much horn is the cause of thrush. Thrush is very easy to beat. It is by no means worse than P3 rotation.
hoofrise 1 year ago
Ive dissected hundreds of equine hooves, Ive spent weeks studying horses in the desert, Ive rehabilitated thousands of horses with sever hoof conditions. Im no rookie. This is however not about me or about you so please stop agitating. Everyone can see that these horses are suffering and if you have any related experiences or suggestion Im very interested.
But if you are only here to show of and criticize please go and talk to the mirror, no one is interested.
/Good Lind
SwedishHoofSchool 2 years ago
Okay Lind:
Here is what is wrong from my opinion, sitting in my house 2000 miles away. The horses have run into HUMANS, they look laminitic. They don't have thrush, there is no such thing as desert thrush. They are not wild if they were they would have never gotten near you, despite your crawling on the ground (oh puhlease).
Some well intentioned folks are feeding them Alfalfa! Get them to stop and you will be helping them.
irishcas 2 years ago
@SwedishHoofSchool I am a native to the area you are referring to. These horses are in need of a trim. As I have been saying. They have no natural predator. They are not a perfect model for barefoot, only a good model.
hoofrise 1 year ago
@SwedishHoofSchool Look at a zebras foot if you want a perfect equine model. Horses need us now. They don't need us to shoe them. They need us to understand the way their hooves were intended to thrive. they were intended to grow and wear at an even pace. Lets think this through. The wild mustangs are not wearing like they were intended. They are more lazy than domestic horses. The answers are all here for us. Shoeing is not the answer.
hoofrise 1 year ago
I agree, the horse is landing heel first, it's lame in the front of the feet.
Critterlover17 2 years ago
This is really interesting because when they intended to move a distance some walked with long heel first steps (as if they wanted to use few steps) but when they were just moving around they were all walking extremely toe first. I might put that video out here too.
/Good
SwedishHoofSchool 2 years ago
"Unbelievable how people, who have no knowledge, talk about diseases!
On this hoof from the photo is not at all any thrush! The black smelly substance is the fluid from the sweat glands in the frog! The horn is something solved to give space for new frog horn in the middle frog
That the horses are tender on the gravel may have to do with temporary lack of water - so the hooves are unelastic."
That was sent to me from a world-wide expert on wild horse feet when I showed her this video..
hoofforeeya 2 years ago
Interesting comment since there is no black and smelly substance coming from this hoof since it only is a fungus infection and the water hole is about 10' away from this horse who visits this creek every day. Misplaced sweat gland do appear in frog tissue on rear occasion (normally not) but that fluid is white.
/Good
SwedishHoofSchool 2 years ago
I've seen severe thrush to the point the horse had NO frog, and bled when the dirt was cleaned out with a hoof pick, and the horse was not lame at all. One Clean Trax soak, and the horse healed up in a few weeks. The horse in this video more likely was suffering laminitis. Don't you notice how the horse is going hard to the HEELS to avoid the toe???? Horses lame from thrush will tip-toe to keep the frog unloaded. I would NOT rather see a horse foundered with bone sink/rotation than thrush!
hphoofcare 2 years ago
You might have done that and I have seen horses with much healthier frogs suffering sever pain but each horse is different.
When it comes to sinkers and rotation they always are back running within about 3 months (rotation sometimes directly after the first trim) so I don't consider that especially serious. Since thrush is not isolated to the frog or even the hoof one treatment of anything will not make him sound. What you see in the frog is only a symptom.
/Good
SwedishHoofSchool 2 years ago
I believe you. I have approached Feral horses on the NC coast that are supposedly wild. They are very used to living in close quarters with humans and you can get up really close. I imagine if you spent a lot of time with them you could take photos of their feet. But they have very flat under-run heels with bars that are like shields. Adapted to harsh environment and sparse vegetation, I wonder if they really live longer than domestic horses. I'm sure they don't suffer contraction issues though.
hoofforeeya 2 years ago
I was born and raised in Az....you cant walk up to a wild mustang and pick its foot up...good grief. these are domestic horses. that have been turn out on the range.
leslie645 2 years ago
If what you mean by wild is that these horses were born in the desert and never been domesticated you can rest ashore that is the case. These mustangs do however live close to a village and are fairly used to see humans that do not harass them. I did spend hours crawling around on the ground photographing bottom of hooves without attempting to touch them before I kindly asked this gentleman if I could hold his hoof. Study his reactions closely and you will see that they are not domesticated.
SwedishHoofSchool 2 years ago
Wow Ove! this is an amazing video. That foot looks so much like feet I see here at home. Why do you think they are getting these infections?
frostahorse 2 years ago
Seriously, yes that is a free roaming Nevada Mustang stallion (and I did check a mare too). It is all about how many nice humans they have seen before. In Sheldon, NV where I usually study Mustangs it took me three hours to come with in 10 feet but there are very few people disturbing the Mustangs in Sheldon. Here at Cold Creek they are much more used to seeing humans.
/Good
SwedishHoofSchool 2 years ago
SERIOUSLY, you just walked up to this WILD stallion and took a picture of his foot??? Can you please explain how you did that?
hoofforeeya 2 years ago