Theological liberalism has a country cousin. It is perfectly consistant for these two gentleman to agree. The bigger issue is; Dawkins concession, that he cannot rule out the possibilty of the existance of God albeit "very low"
Finally ! some intellectual honesty from beezlbub himself
Dawkins and the Archbishop had an hour long debate yesterday. I think it will be on youtube soon. Not surprisingly, the bishop did not actually pose this question. It was a pretty mild discussion, with a surprising amount of agreement between the two.
What a ridiculous question. The archbishop seems to be insinuating that love comes from god. Love is simply a word that we use to describe a particular emotion caused by brain function.
@RationalConclusion "Love is simply a word that we use to describe a particular emotion caused by brain function." Is that supposed to make it less real or less powerful? Love is not just something that happens to us, it is also a dynamic force that determines our actions and decisions. If I have the chance to do something wrong, but out of love I choose to do something good instead, doesn't that make my love more of a "cause of" than a "caused by"?
@scentofdawn Uh? No? You seem to have totally missed what RationalConclusion was attempting to say, that love is nothing more than a process that takes place in the brain. He was explaining how love exists, not how it controls what we do.
@scentofdawn Love is an emotion and of course it impacts on our actions and decision making. My point is that there's no reason to believe that love is from a god or has anything to do with the supernatural.
@RationalConclusion As far as my imperfect understanding goes, the idea that love is from God or that God is love does not come from rational deduction but from mystical revelation. Many mystics of all religions have had visions of that place of infinite love and beauty where every contradiction is reconciled. Many have perceived it as a presence. Although their descriptions are often awkward, they do agree on one thing: everything else seems dull and poor when compared to it.
@RationalConclusion I know what you're saying. It's a bit of a vicious circle. I can empathise with both points of view and I don't think there is an easy answer. Words will never be enough evidence. Imagine this scenario: you see something no one else has seen, something no one even knows exists. You know what you've seen is real, but you also know people will think you mad if you tell them because they've never seen it. You have no other evidence than your own experience. What would you do?
@scentofdawn Personal experience may be a good reason for the individual to believe whatever it is they've experienced but not for anyone else, unless of course the claim is some everyday mundane thing however if it is an extraordinary claim it's going to require more than somebodys say so.
@GodTheHypothesis And you're not doing thing selectively you hypocrite bit**? You're the one who insult people by blocking them and not letting them to defend themselves against other people's attacks. Fu**face
Ok, you've just looked on my feed and followed me to a video page just so you could insult me. This is incredibly disturbing. I've changed my account status so you can no longer see where I comment and I thoroughly look forward to never hearing from you again.
@GodTheHypothesis Ofcourse I did. The whole point is I do something to deserve to be blocked and now you know what real insult is ahole. There are other ways to find you and even better, my youtube acc gets removed I'll open a new one and over and over again. So change your fu*********** acc. Dum********s
I'd like to ask the archbishop what the parasitic wasp suggests to him- surely God could easily have stopped it existing. It's amazing how selectively religious people can pick facts about the world that fit their beliefs and ignore the rest.
@GodTheHypothesis And you're not doing thing selectively you hypocrite bit**? You're the one who insult people by blocking them and not letting them to defend themselves against other people's attacks. Fu**face
@newgeorge yeah the one I would have asked would have been: If your daughter called you up and said: Daddy, I'm getting married! and you found out that the gentleman's family was full of devout orthodox Jews who believed in Creationism....?
Atheists believe in love, thats a stupid question for such an inteligent yet religous man. A painting that is beautiful is still just pigments on canvas and yet is put together BY A HUMAN and is beautiful. So love is just parts of the brain reacting in our nature, but its still love by that HUMAN. Sorry Archbishop such a well respected man (by me too) cant even give Richard Dawkins a sensible question.
Dolt. Dawkins does love the nature and the universe, and that has absolutely nothing to do with god. I really believe that each and every person who states anything like "love and/or compassion requires god" needs to be smacked round about the face, because it means that they have no love or compassion for ANYTHING.
@PalulukanMakto What is love? Does love exist? Does it not exist only in our minds, just like God? Is it not simply a social-survival utility slowly evolved in mammalian kind over the eons? Love means NOTHING of any real importance, therefore. It is no more admirable than hatred, or fear, or jealousy, or any other evolved human feeling. It is biology. That's it. Now, stop making the jump to saying it's a "good" thing. There is not 'good'. Life is just order, like the universe. Boring
This is why the atheist life is in truth, not worth living. You create these illusions of importance, when nothing is important. The destruction of this Earth is not important, nor the collapse of our sun or galaxy. It makes no difference, at all. You make fun of the idea of God, and worship your own ideas that put imagined 'value' in things.. like living. That would be just as much an illusion as God. Richard Dawkins was born without a right-brain. He doesn't realize his contradictions.
@dketche2 Are you kidding? Simply because YOU are too fucking stupid to understand how we can live without IMAGINARY things (Did you know the bible says that unicorns and dragons are real, on top of all of the god crap?) and can live with compassion, intrigue, etc, doesn't mean it is so.
You're also, apparently to bloody stupid to realize that we don't worship ANYTHING. We don't NEED to, because REALITY is amazing enough as it is.
@dketche2 Side note: how many people have you murdered or tortured recently? If none, then you are a moral human being, BUT you are ignoring god's laws. The following is a list of things that the bible says people should be killed for doing:
Toucing a dead pigs skin (football, anyone?)
Wearing clothing made with multiple types of thread
Being gay, an atheist, or of any religion that is not christianity
@dketche2 Love DID evolve over time (all our emotions and other mental habits did) but that doesn't make it the same as other emotions. Biology is AMAZING. The universe is AMAZING. There is a transcendent wonder to the a inorganic universe that formed complex, living, thinking, LOVING organisms. If you think atheists are devoid of heart or compassion, you're simply deluded.
Just because something is naturally explicable, doesn't make it boring or anything less then wonderful.
How the right brain processes a well informed understanding of the universe is of course likely to be fanciful. Not that the notions it generates are going to be necessarily accurate. the RB is course the source Harry Potter, the works of Van Gogh and the almanac of Hebrew myths of which the archbishop is so fond.
What an entirely ridiculous question! Considering the vast number of questions that could be asked regarding the complexity of life and the history of evolution, this fairytale-peddler decides to ask a question that any rational thinking person could dismiss in 30 seconds. Why do the religious seem to be so predisposed to non-thought?!
Non thought? - With mottos like 'Theres probably no God', Dawkins is more religious than scientific, also so the case in large sections of Blind Watchmaker, God delusion.
Why not see if you think Professor Phillip Johnson or William Lane Craig are irrational?
You tube 'Focus on Darwnism' by Johnson. You may disagree about God's existent but youre mistaken to say they are of the non-thought catergory.
@CoolBouncycastle considering that there has never been ANY verifiable evidence for existence of god or gods, it seems to me that the statement 'theres probably no god' is a reasonable one. If Dawkins had said there IS no god then you would have a point but we're talking about probability here. The definition of faith is a belief in something without evidence - a suspension of critical thought and rationality AKA wish-thinking.
@CoolBouncycastle Furthermore, by opening the door to faith it allows people to justify belief in just about anything. If I were to say that I have faith in a piece of cheese that orbits the sun every 3 hours you can't actually disprove it, but probability suggests that this is an untruth. I certainly agree with Prof. Johnson's proposal that we question scientific assumptions, but if the evidence backs up those assumptions then it seems fair to accept and build upon them.
Religion just keeps on abusing its flock. The pope wont allow condoms, thereby condemning millions to death, and now the EU has stated, under influence of religious lobbyists, that stem cell research cannot use pinhead-sized embryos for confirming incredible and multi-million life-saving treatments. How much more damage does religion need to do before we purge it in public. Fine if you want to pracrice it, or worship in private, but the case for supporting public religion is over.
He seems a nice guy, but unfortunately just misguided, and probably scared to see the truth as it scares him. After all, beuing an atheist mean you accept that there's only one chance of life on earth for each of us. Scary, but true!
Atheists, even top ones like Dawkins cant give examples of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome. - scary but true
Mutations are degenerative - scary!
No God - no one can have a higher opinion over another what is a moral/artist judgment - each to his own -eg riots, rape, corruption..scary!
Infinity is a metaphysical impossibilty so something causeless & timeless had to cause universe -scary but true!
@CoolBouncycastle 1) untrue 2) They are just different. some good some bad 3)Who says someone should have a higher authority. That your only reason for believing? We need no higher authority, we work best without religion. In any case, there are thousands of differing opinions (human opinions) on what the judgements or rules are!! 4) Maybe. But I don't find that scary, and am not sure why you would. Why not keep trying to discover more rather that being lazy and saying a god did it?
On point (3) -Well my point sir is if no God then no-one can decide over another what is right or wrong. We are all accidents & without objective truth so you cant cant tell me Im doing wrong even if I harm you.
Look how Hilter used darwism to 'justify' his actions!
On religion- Dawkins is religious. Hitler was darwinistic On (4) I dont think Im being that lazy..its a logical point.
If unimpressed with Lennox why not try William-Lane Craig or Prof Phillip Johnson.
@CoolBouncycastle 3) you may be right, that no individual can decide, but a concensus can be drawn up and administered by a democratically elected government. That produces wholly acceptable results for all. 4) Lane Craig is just another intelligent man, espousing huge theories with zero evidence, then attacking when he knows, and he does know, he has nowhere to go. Seen him debating hitchens. Completely one-sided.
On point 4) was just being ironic; it would be scary for atheists because its probably true!..
Any examples of (1) or (2) showing mutations that are developemental instead of all this philosophy crap Dawkins spills out? Let me know, we both like facts.
@CoolBouncycastle 1) none so far. working on it 2) there are many many mutations, but evolution rewards useful ones, and if passed on, they become more common. Lesser or degenerative mutations die out more quickly. They are not deliberate, but accidental, but may or may not be of use. Some are useless, and some are worse, in fact harmful to individuals. Extremely harmful ones cause death, and thereby, in line with darwins theory, they die out, allowing the positive mutations to continue, mainly.
Something s beautiful and awesome as the universe or the human body has to have been created by something. We can't just have emanated from nothing. The creater God is beyond all human understanding as is his complete and utter love for his creation.
@johnnyM809 "his complete and utter love" for slaves, adulterers, amalacites, women, naughty children etc etc. He orders their death! Some loving god! Creates humans sinful, forces them to love and worship it (creepy), threatens eternal damnation and hell for any slip-ups, and treats women, disbelievers, other religious believers, other races, children, animals like scum. Lovely god! Just because you don't understand it, does not mean it's created by a god.
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg
The Archbishop here, will never know what evil damage he's doing to humanity, by patronizing his sheep with such never-ending vacuous words, in the disguise of thoughful inspiration.
One another pitiful good looking glibly hypocrite!
To invent god at this point means to shorten the "wonder". "God" is an anthropocentric attempt for an answer. As an atheist I have to be decent and let the mystery be unexplained. That keeps my mind open for a deeper understanding leaded by science.
@Pepperspecialist: a deeper understanding(explanation) of the mystery that you claim to leave explained? You are contradicting yourself like many atheists and follow the dead end. The mystery can be investigated more and will generate more wonder. The wonder experience of the mystery itself cannot be explained by science, only attempted to be described. The atheist should even more ask himself, why I wonder about the necessary and natural?
@GekkeMalloot "The wonder experience of the mystery itself cannot be explained by science, only attempted to be described" - nonsense. Have more humility. Pepper said the word "unexplained", which you obviously missed. There is no contradiction. There are mystries, as there always have been, but gradually we are explaining them through science, and also opening up more mysteries we previously did not know existed. Amazing, wonderful and breathes life into us. Merely following a god is just lazy
Human emotion is a product of evolution, in a biological evolved brain. If all Williams can come up with is some sort of appeal to emotion, he illustrates perfectly the intellectual fraud of religion. He does nothing to raise religious belief above the make-believe that it has always been. Gods and fairies belong in the same bin.
@dbes02 So how/why would a brain evolve a sense of beauty? Obviously different people have different perceptions of beauty, but it exists all the same. How does evolutionary psychology account for this? And im talking about beauty in an aesthetics sense.
@sned10000 How? Through biological evolution. Why? To aid survival. A sense of beauty is an emotion. Beauty doesn't "exist" outside the emotional experience in the mind. Emotions are an integral part of human motivation. Damage to the amygdala, for instance, severely reduces the will to do anything, through loss of emotional attachment to the self and to things in the world.
There's only one question we as believers ought to ask anyone and that is who do you say Jesus Christ is?
If their answer is contrary to what the Holy Scriptures say and/or is not that He is their Lord then perhaps we might try and explain from what we know of Christ ourselves, why our hope is in Him!
Any theist might ask the same question as in the video but Christians should not be ashamed to own their LORD. Christ is the only way to salvation. The bible says that.
How can such a learned man be so confused. I could write a paragraph or two extolling the beauty of the Large Hadron Collider. Now where the blazes would that come from?
@garysgreat I think you misunderstand - we as bible-believers, believe the bible is man-made. That is to say, even if something is man-made, it does not follow logically that it is therefore, "bollocks".
For example, my shoes are man-made, which doesn't mean they aren't real.
@zt2max You Sir are quite right. Man made does not necessarily mean bollocks. It is just my opinion that the man-made bible is bollocks!! As for truth. Well it is true the bible exists. So did the fantasy models I made out of plasticine as a kid. However they held no more truth or knowledge than the bible.
As for your shoes. Since I can't see them, I will have to have faith that they are real. It would be logical to assume you need them for walking and to protect your feet. Good day to you.
@garysgreat Fair enough if it's your opinion, the bible exists, ofcourse, I was not trying to equivocate, I am just saying that the contents are regarded as inspired by God.
People make statements based on their opinions, as though they are stating objective truth, but as far as I know, the bible being false, is only a certain conclusion based on a subjective opinion of a particular group. There are compelling arguments either way, but they only stem from the original opinion largely.
@zt2max Again I agree. If all these religious biggots would keep their faith to themselves, i.e A Personal belief, then I for one would be very happy. However many seem to think their belief should be forced upon others, regardless of the fact, there is no testable evidence for said belief. When push comes to shove and the argument seems "almost" lost, we hear the idiot in this video and others say, "Well how did we get here then? Who created the Universe?" As if that validates the bibles/koran.
@garysgreat I agree there are lots of ignoramuses which is annoying, but the band-wagon plumbs get away with it on the other side, too. No - I can't prove my bible, and I have to clean up after those who think they can. I can only make a compelling case and hope for open-minds.
@zt2max Thank you for being so reasonable in your disagreement. I think that we, as sovereign individuals with differing beliefs, can respect each other and agree to disagree, then the largest problems of the world would begin to see correction, if only through mutual effort and understanding.
@zt2max Give me a "compelling" argument on the side of the bible then. As far as I klnow it is called faith because there simply is no evidence, empirical or otherwise for any of its claims, and to believe in it one must first choose to ignore the bad bits. Otherwise all followers would be homophobic, have slaves, oppress women, beat children, stone women, kill rival tribes and be racist, as there are passage condoning, indeed encouraging each of these.
@zt2max Your bible makes extraordinary unfounded and extremely unlikely claims which millions follow to varying degrees. Your shoes are just shoes. Not really a comparison. Shoes are real, and the claims are probably not. Not one single one of them has ever proved to be so, so far. Still, 2000yrs and counting, so maybe one day! The whole thing is virtually copied from previous older religions anyway, and the commandments (the only part god wrote) are far from eternal, just read them out loud!
So now we need to raise the question: is the love that I feel equal to the love that anybody else feels? And if I feel something called love .... Who can provide prove from what originated that love.... well .
Hahahahahahhahahaha. This is the opposition?! I can never believe religious people cannot hear that no church leader ever answers any questions! God exists because: "well, where the blazes has that come from?" Brilliant.
@mihaimoldo What was I thinking!? So do I! I probably meant extreme cold, it's not like lava is natures sauna though is it, nature can be just as violent and disgusting as beautiful.
@FreekinEkin2 Well, if you think outside of the box, the first biological entities were extremophiles, that means the first cells,bacterias, viruses whatever they were, survived and thrived in an uninhabitable environment that would kill us. So as the earth cooled and and the atmosphere changed so did life. So to those lifeforms we are the extremophiles.Speaking about extreme weathers you must think wich era are you speaking about.
@FreekinEkin2 Oooh yeah I wouldn't like that! Ha. However something tells me that Chimps and Toucans would probably feel the same about that kind of cold, as with many tropical or temperate acclimatised creature
@Ozscii They struggling for survival. I don't think 75,000 years ago when less than 20,00 humans were alive desperately trying to do so on Africa there was a lot of philosophical questions around.
Humans pass their knowledge down through generations, and improve on already existing knowledge throughout time. Other species can't do this, atleast very well.
As for the life in space question, it's impossible to know and stupid to specualte.
I like the Archbishop of Canterbury, I think he seems quite accepting and ready to listen to others. I think he represents the positive aspects of Christianity (and religion in general): peace and tolerance and people living in harmony together.
@Ozscii Don't give humans too much credit. We are not so great in brainpower individually. For instance, think of various things in your home. You use a microwave and computer every day. Could you just decide to build one from scratch? Probably not unless that's your profession. Could you just decide to create a masterpiece of a novel just because you wanted? I doubt it. There are many ways human beings could be improved upon.
@CarlosMarti123 Sure, people do. You would also be right in saying that's not something you could expect from me and that is because when someone talks crap, I don't applaud it. It is not courtesy to humour people with ridiculous questions that have been discussed time and time again.
@CarlosMarti123 Why do the majority of your posts get marked as spam? Is it because people are sick of you perpetuating your delusion? Care to explain why a rational and intelligent man would believe your invisible being is real and not just a figment of you and other delusional moron's imagination? Why do you believe holy texts that don't even qualify as hearsay? Why do you still think bronze aged man's knowledge trumps what we know to be true today? Why are you delusional?
@CarlosMarti123 rap, you want to know what crap is? Morality has a much better company with reality and truth than it does with fables, myths, lies, and down right errors and people are realizing it. Teaching morality out of a book that has a father willing to sacrifice his child for an imaginary invisible being is an oxymoron.
@CarlosMarti123 "If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine - but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of the Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working."
@CarlosMarti123 "All religions bear traces of the fact that they arose during the intellectual immaturity of the human race, before it had learned the obligations to speak the truth. Not one of them makes it the duty of its god to be truthful and understandable in his communications."
@CarlosMarti123 When you understand why YOU DISMISS all the other gods of humanities past and present (atheism) then you will understand why I and any rational man dismisses yours.
@mechanicmike69 "When you understand why YOU DISMISS all the other gods (atheism) then you will understand why I and any rational man dismisses yours."
When you understand why you can't make a single response that does not involve astounding amounts of stupidity, you will understand why I reject your delusion.
@CarlosMarti123 There is many reasons why I dismiss all those other religions, but I would have to say that the one thing that's different, is the God I believe in has lasted far longer (over 2000 years) than any other god belief. Answer this question, why does every civilization, that we can learn enough of, believe in a God at all? What reason did they have to make such a conclusion, at any time?
@CarlosMarti123 Truth crosses borders and cultures, example: math 2+2=4 in every country and culture on this planet. It doesn’t matter what you believe, or what country you are from, 2+2=4 every time. 18 main religions. (over 40,000 versions of Christianity alone) ALL claiming to be right and all the others wrong. And you wonder why the smart people in the world laugh at you.
We are a natural product of our universe. It is truly a beautiful symmetry that we have evolved the consciousness and reason to observe and plumb our own origins and this is much more remarkable than believing that we and the universe were deliberate unrelated creations just placed here together. Believing in god creation deprives us of the knowledge of our true and natural patrimony and substitutes a dull and primitive ignorance for the awe inspiring truth, power, and majesty of nature.
@emaildoctor "Believing in god creation deprives us of the knowledge of our true and natural patrimony and substitutes a dull and primitive ignorance for the awe inspiring truth, power, and majesty of nature."
Explain why it does that. Perhaps it's only your cognitive bias speaking through?
Where does it come from? It comes from a realization that we are not only inextricably linked to the universe - the very atoms that make up our bodies can be traced back to the big bang,- but that in this sense we ARE in fact the conscious living aspect of the universe itself. We certainly were not put here by some celestial puppet master. The whole essence of beauty is in the recognition of a deep connection with our real origins - not with some clumsy screwed up religious metaphor.
Since the world is so complex and intricate, an even more complex and intricate being must have designed it. Right. Sorry bishop, but what you assert without evidence I can and will dismiss without evidence - and your answer just poses an even bigger question.
This is an argument from ignorance. The Archbishop of Canterbury doesn't know where all this beauty comes from, so therefore there must be a god. Lame in the extreme. The Archbishop is devoid of ideas, all he can appeal to is blind "faith". The sooner this transparent religious nonsense disappears from our beautiful world the better.
if there is god or some kind of creator he or it would have nothing to do with any of the religions history and archaeology shows us they are just made up
Why must Christians always stack the deck, and deal from the bottom? This guy appears on the face of it to be semi intelligent, yet he believes there are only two choices, either God did it, or nothing did it! I refuse to believe he is that stupid, so I suspect he is lying for Jebus. (sic)
Isn't Jesus coming in a few years? Look, when we all die we will see what happens.. is either Sleep Forever...or..your soul goes beyond the universe..
My answer is.. When I die, I don't wanna go to heaven nor hell, I wanna explore the universe :) Thank you very much!
@freedomland11 According to the Bible, Jesus was supposed to come back while some of his apostles were still alive (Jesus himself said this). So, according to the Bible, Jesus is about 1900 years overdue.
I think is question is really just a question from ignorance. We don't know exactly where it came from, so God did it. I love the wonders of the universe, but why not just love the universe instead of going a step further and loving a deity for supposedly doing it.
He finishes as though he made a point........still waiting for the ''non'' to be removed from nonsense. Thank God ( God is an arbitrary name for nothing ) for Dawkin's.
Even people who claim to back evolution have no idea what they're talking about.
The universe can't arise from evolution. That's stupid. God creating the universe and evolution are not in contrast with each other. Evolution = change. change in an organism. nothing more.
@cthom7 I totally agree with you and am on your side but to be accurate, the universe is very much evolving, but we are of course talking about biological evolution. What many creationists contradict is the beginning of the universe and evolution by natural selection, totally separate of course.
It's a shame when people who clearly have the english language grasped so eloquently, and carry themselves in such a revered manner, can ask something so lacking in any substance other than "Because you describe something in a beautiful way, and you show love for it, therefore it must be made by god" This intellectual light weight really shows the blind faith attitude and non inquisitive nature of religious people.
Theological liberalism has a country cousin. It is perfectly consistant for these two gentleman to agree. The bigger issue is; Dawkins concession, that he cannot rule out the possibilty of the existance of God albeit "very low"
Finally ! some intellectual honesty from beezlbub himself
sancholer 1 week ago
Dawkins and the Archbishop had an hour long debate yesterday. I think it will be on youtube soon. Not surprisingly, the bishop did not actually pose this question. It was a pretty mild discussion, with a surprising amount of agreement between the two.
eikons 1 week ago
What the hell was that!
mikaelfodor 1 week ago
What a ridiculous question. The archbishop seems to be insinuating that love comes from god. Love is simply a word that we use to describe a particular emotion caused by brain function.
RationalConclusion 1 week ago
@RationalConclusion "Love is simply a word that we use to describe a particular emotion caused by brain function." Is that supposed to make it less real or less powerful? Love is not just something that happens to us, it is also a dynamic force that determines our actions and decisions. If I have the chance to do something wrong, but out of love I choose to do something good instead, doesn't that make my love more of a "cause of" than a "caused by"?
scentofdawn 1 week ago
@scentofdawn Uh? No? You seem to have totally missed what RationalConclusion was attempting to say, that love is nothing more than a process that takes place in the brain. He was explaining how love exists, not how it controls what we do.
jenius124 6 days ago
@scentofdawn Love is an emotion and of course it impacts on our actions and decision making. My point is that there's no reason to believe that love is from a god or has anything to do with the supernatural.
RationalConclusion 6 days ago
@RationalConclusion As far as my imperfect understanding goes, the idea that love is from God or that God is love does not come from rational deduction but from mystical revelation. Many mystics of all religions have had visions of that place of infinite love and beauty where every contradiction is reconciled. Many have perceived it as a presence. Although their descriptions are often awkward, they do agree on one thing: everything else seems dull and poor when compared to it.
scentofdawn 6 days ago
@scentofdawn There are also those who believe that they've seen Elvis. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
RationalConclusion 6 days ago
@RationalConclusion I know what you're saying. It's a bit of a vicious circle. I can empathise with both points of view and I don't think there is an easy answer. Words will never be enough evidence. Imagine this scenario: you see something no one else has seen, something no one even knows exists. You know what you've seen is real, but you also know people will think you mad if you tell them because they've never seen it. You have no other evidence than your own experience. What would you do?
scentofdawn 5 days ago
@scentofdawn Personal experience may be a good reason for the individual to believe whatever it is they've experienced but not for anyone else, unless of course the claim is some everyday mundane thing however if it is an extraordinary claim it's going to require more than somebodys say so.
RationalConclusion 4 days ago
Misdirection and a smoke screen. Typical religious bullshit.
SigSauer2281 1 week ago
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@GodTheHypothesis And you're not doing thing selectively you hypocrite bit**? You're the one who insult people by blocking them and not letting them to defend themselves against other people's attacks. Fu**face
BATTLEFIELD3pourang 3 weeks ago
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Ok, you've just looked on my feed and followed me to a video page just so you could insult me. This is incredibly disturbing. I've changed my account status so you can no longer see where I comment and I thoroughly look forward to never hearing from you again.
GodTheHypothesis 3 weeks ago
@GodTheHypothesis Ofcourse I did. The whole point is I do something to deserve to be blocked and now you know what real insult is ahole. There are other ways to find you and even better, my youtube acc gets removed I'll open a new one and over and over again. So change your fu*********** acc. Dum********s
BATTLEFIELD3pourang 3 weeks ago
I'd like to ask the archbishop what the parasitic wasp suggests to him- surely God could easily have stopped it existing. It's amazing how selectively religious people can pick facts about the world that fit their beliefs and ignore the rest.
GodTheHypothesis 3 weeks ago
@GodTheHypothesis And you're not doing thing selectively you hypocrite bit**? You're the one who insult people by blocking them and not letting them to defend themselves against other people's attacks. Fu**face
BATTLEFIELD3pourang 3 weeks ago
I am thoroughly impressed with this man's eyebrows.
WorkOverTime 2 months ago 9
As much as I like Rowan Williams, I was hoping he'd come up with a better question.
kubrox91 2 months ago
@kubrox91 I'm also a great admirer of Williams but I have to agree. I doubt that Dawkins will be quaking in his boots after watching this vid.
newgeorge 3 weeks ago
@newgeorge yeah the one I would have asked would have been: If your daughter called you up and said: Daddy, I'm getting married! and you found out that the gentleman's family was full of devout orthodox Jews who believed in Creationism....?
kubrox91 3 weeks ago
@kubrox91 now THAT would floor him!
newgeorge 3 weeks ago
Atheists believe in love, thats a stupid question for such an inteligent yet religous man. A painting that is beautiful is still just pigments on canvas and yet is put together BY A HUMAN and is beautiful. So love is just parts of the brain reacting in our nature, but its still love by that HUMAN. Sorry Archbishop such a well respected man (by me too) cant even give Richard Dawkins a sensible question.
Kaldhore 2 months ago
What a stupid question. Rowan Williams is a perfect example of how a posh accent and good education can give the outward illusion of intelligence.
Shiftee88 3 months ago 3
@Shiftee88 The same could be said for Dawkins I suppose
derth12546 3 days ago
@derth12546 No, Dawkins is a scientist who can give strong logically sound backing for his arguments.
Shiftee88 2 days ago
Love Rowan Williams. :D
annaarkadyevna 3 months ago
Dolt. Dawkins does love the nature and the universe, and that has absolutely nothing to do with god. I really believe that each and every person who states anything like "love and/or compassion requires god" needs to be smacked round about the face, because it means that they have no love or compassion for ANYTHING.
PalulukanMakto 3 months ago
@PalulukanMakto What is love? Does love exist? Does it not exist only in our minds, just like God? Is it not simply a social-survival utility slowly evolved in mammalian kind over the eons? Love means NOTHING of any real importance, therefore. It is no more admirable than hatred, or fear, or jealousy, or any other evolved human feeling. It is biology. That's it. Now, stop making the jump to saying it's a "good" thing. There is not 'good'. Life is just order, like the universe. Boring
dketche2 3 months ago
This is why the atheist life is in truth, not worth living. You create these illusions of importance, when nothing is important. The destruction of this Earth is not important, nor the collapse of our sun or galaxy. It makes no difference, at all. You make fun of the idea of God, and worship your own ideas that put imagined 'value' in things.. like living. That would be just as much an illusion as God. Richard Dawkins was born without a right-brain. He doesn't realize his contradictions.
dketche2 3 months ago
@dketche2 Are you kidding? Simply because YOU are too fucking stupid to understand how we can live without IMAGINARY things (Did you know the bible says that unicorns and dragons are real, on top of all of the god crap?) and can live with compassion, intrigue, etc, doesn't mean it is so.
You're also, apparently to bloody stupid to realize that we don't worship ANYTHING. We don't NEED to, because REALITY is amazing enough as it is.
PalulukanMakto 3 months ago
@dketche2 Side note: how many people have you murdered or tortured recently? If none, then you are a moral human being, BUT you are ignoring god's laws. The following is a list of things that the bible says people should be killed for doing:
Toucing a dead pigs skin (football, anyone?)
Wearing clothing made with multiple types of thread
Being gay, an atheist, or of any religion that is not christianity
Swearing/insulting god or your parents)
Picking up sticks on saturdays
Witchcraft (SERIOUSLY?)
PalulukanMakto 3 months ago
@dketche2 Love DID evolve over time (all our emotions and other mental habits did) but that doesn't make it the same as other emotions. Biology is AMAZING. The universe is AMAZING. There is a transcendent wonder to the a inorganic universe that formed complex, living, thinking, LOVING organisms. If you think atheists are devoid of heart or compassion, you're simply deluded.
Just because something is naturally explicable, doesn't make it boring or anything less then wonderful.
PalulukanMakto 3 months ago
It comes from chemical reactions in the brain. What do you say to that, mr Williams? Oh wait, he's walked away...
N64isgreat 3 months ago
@FreekinEkin2 i dont know about you but i love snow!
samatsam 3 months ago
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samatsam 3 months ago
How the right brain processes a well informed understanding of the universe is of course likely to be fanciful. Not that the notions it generates are going to be necessarily accurate. the RB is course the source Harry Potter, the works of Van Gogh and the almanac of Hebrew myths of which the archbishop is so fond.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 3 months ago
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captainlustMnB 3 months ago
Damn, he'll be the king of the retirement home with that 2-inch eyebrow of his.
To answer his question: Dawkins is a biologist, so the "beauty of the universe" of course suggests that Dawkins and his colleagues are right.
Blasthand 4 months ago
Oh, God is love now. He takes back that whole torturing and killing his son so that we would feel really really awful about the things we do.
GenghisCohen1 4 months ago
Love is a result of a series of chemical reactions in the brain affecting our thought processes.
Also I has no bearing on anything to do with proving god.
I enjoy mocking creationists and helping people think logically about reality and question their faith.
God purposefully giving me that ability and the motivation to continue doing it is rather counter-productive to his cause don't you think?
ImpossibleCertainty 4 months ago
What an entirely ridiculous question! Considering the vast number of questions that could be asked regarding the complexity of life and the history of evolution, this fairytale-peddler decides to ask a question that any rational thinking person could dismiss in 30 seconds. Why do the religious seem to be so predisposed to non-thought?!
ThomasCarson1982 4 months ago
@ThomasCarson1982
Non thought? - With mottos like 'Theres probably no God', Dawkins is more religious than scientific, also so the case in large sections of Blind Watchmaker, God delusion.
Why not see if you think Professor Phillip Johnson or William Lane Craig are irrational?
You tube 'Focus on Darwnism' by Johnson. You may disagree about God's existent but youre mistaken to say they are of the non-thought catergory.
CoolBouncycastle 4 months ago
@CoolBouncycastle considering that there has never been ANY verifiable evidence for existence of god or gods, it seems to me that the statement 'theres probably no god' is a reasonable one. If Dawkins had said there IS no god then you would have a point but we're talking about probability here. The definition of faith is a belief in something without evidence - a suspension of critical thought and rationality AKA wish-thinking.
ThomasCarson1982 4 months ago
@CoolBouncycastle Furthermore, by opening the door to faith it allows people to justify belief in just about anything. If I were to say that I have faith in a piece of cheese that orbits the sun every 3 hours you can't actually disprove it, but probability suggests that this is an untruth. I certainly agree with Prof. Johnson's proposal that we question scientific assumptions, but if the evidence backs up those assumptions then it seems fair to accept and build upon them.
ThomasCarson1982 4 months ago
Religion just keeps on abusing its flock. The pope wont allow condoms, thereby condemning millions to death, and now the EU has stated, under influence of religious lobbyists, that stem cell research cannot use pinhead-sized embryos for confirming incredible and multi-million life-saving treatments. How much more damage does religion need to do before we purge it in public. Fine if you want to pracrice it, or worship in private, but the case for supporting public religion is over.
sids500 4 months ago
He seems a nice guy, but unfortunately just misguided, and probably scared to see the truth as it scares him. After all, beuing an atheist mean you accept that there's only one chance of life on earth for each of us. Scary, but true!
sids500 4 months ago
@sids500
Atheists, even top ones like Dawkins cant give examples of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome. - scary but true
Mutations are degenerative - scary!
No God - no one can have a higher opinion over another what is a moral/artist judgment - each to his own -eg riots, rape, corruption..scary!
Infinity is a metaphysical impossibilty so something causeless & timeless had to cause universe -scary but true!
CoolBouncycastle 4 months ago
@CoolBouncycastle 1) untrue 2) They are just different. some good some bad 3)Who says someone should have a higher authority. That your only reason for believing? We need no higher authority, we work best without religion. In any case, there are thousands of differing opinions (human opinions) on what the judgements or rules are!! 4) Maybe. But I don't find that scary, and am not sure why you would. Why not keep trying to discover more rather that being lazy and saying a god did it?
sids500 4 months ago
@sids500
On point (3) -Well my point sir is if no God then no-one can decide over another what is right or wrong. We are all accidents & without objective truth so you cant cant tell me Im doing wrong even if I harm you.
Look how Hilter used darwism to 'justify' his actions!
On religion- Dawkins is religious. Hitler was darwinistic On (4) I dont think Im being that lazy..its a logical point.
If unimpressed with Lennox why not try William-Lane Craig or Prof Phillip Johnson.
CoolBouncycastle 4 months ago
@CoolBouncycastle 3) you may be right, that no individual can decide, but a concensus can be drawn up and administered by a democratically elected government. That produces wholly acceptable results for all. 4) Lane Craig is just another intelligent man, espousing huge theories with zero evidence, then attacking when he knows, and he does know, he has nowhere to go. Seen him debating hitchens. Completely one-sided.
sids500 4 months ago
@sids500
On point 4) was just being ironic; it would be scary for atheists because its probably true!..
Any examples of (1) or (2) showing mutations that are developemental instead of all this philosophy crap Dawkins spills out? Let me know, we both like facts.
CoolBouncycastle 4 months ago
@CoolBouncycastle 1) none so far. working on it 2) there are many many mutations, but evolution rewards useful ones, and if passed on, they become more common. Lesser or degenerative mutations die out more quickly. They are not deliberate, but accidental, but may or may not be of use. Some are useless, and some are worse, in fact harmful to individuals. Extremely harmful ones cause death, and thereby, in line with darwins theory, they die out, allowing the positive mutations to continue, mainly.
sids500 4 months ago
EYEBROWS Ò.Ó
GiantDanish 4 months ago
Religion = A failure of the imagination.
rogan71 4 months ago
Great question indeed. The wonder and awe that nature invokes is not just the ordinary order of things, that's why it causes wonder and awe........
GekkeMalloot 4 months ago
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Get a proper job you profesional liar !
MrGryphon1967 4 months ago
Get a proper job you profesional liar !
MrGryphon1967 4 months ago
Something s beautiful and awesome as the universe or the human body has to have been created by something. We can't just have emanated from nothing. The creater God is beyond all human understanding as is his complete and utter love for his creation.
johnnyM809 4 months ago
@johnnyM809 "his complete and utter love" for slaves, adulterers, amalacites, women, naughty children etc etc. He orders their death! Some loving god! Creates humans sinful, forces them to love and worship it (creepy), threatens eternal damnation and hell for any slip-ups, and treats women, disbelievers, other religious believers, other races, children, animals like scum. Lovely god! Just because you don't understand it, does not mean it's created by a god.
sids500 4 months ago
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg
The Archbishop here, will never know what evil damage he's doing to humanity, by patronizing his sheep with such never-ending vacuous words, in the disguise of thoughful inspiration.
One another pitiful good looking glibly hypocrite!
jhksing 4 months ago
To invent god at this point means to shorten the "wonder". "God" is an anthropocentric attempt for an answer. As an atheist I have to be decent and let the mystery be unexplained. That keeps my mind open for a deeper understanding leaded by science.
Pepperspecialist 4 months ago
@Pepperspecialist: a deeper understanding(explanation) of the mystery that you claim to leave explained? You are contradicting yourself like many atheists and follow the dead end. The mystery can be investigated more and will generate more wonder. The wonder experience of the mystery itself cannot be explained by science, only attempted to be described. The atheist should even more ask himself, why I wonder about the necessary and natural?
GekkeMalloot 4 months ago
@GekkeMalloot "The wonder experience of the mystery itself cannot be explained by science, only attempted to be described" - nonsense. Have more humility. Pepper said the word "unexplained", which you obviously missed. There is no contradiction. There are mystries, as there always have been, but gradually we are explaining them through science, and also opening up more mysteries we previously did not know existed. Amazing, wonderful and breathes life into us. Merely following a god is just lazy
sids500 4 months ago
if god exists strike me down right now , thts my answer
dragonup56 5 months ago
Well, Bish, there's obviously some conscious intelligence behind this 3D illusion but that's no reason to put a frock on and call it god.
zthetha 5 months ago
Hey now, a holy man spilling trash out of his gob. This is new and exciting.
dpowens 5 months ago
Human emotion is a product of evolution, in a biological evolved brain. If all Williams can come up with is some sort of appeal to emotion, he illustrates perfectly the intellectual fraud of religion. He does nothing to raise religious belief above the make-believe that it has always been. Gods and fairies belong in the same bin.
dbes02 5 months ago
@dbes02 So how/why would a brain evolve a sense of beauty? Obviously different people have different perceptions of beauty, but it exists all the same. How does evolutionary psychology account for this? And im talking about beauty in an aesthetics sense.
sned10000 5 months ago
@sned10000 How? Through biological evolution. Why? To aid survival. A sense of beauty is an emotion. Beauty doesn't "exist" outside the emotional experience in the mind. Emotions are an integral part of human motivation. Damage to the amygdala, for instance, severely reduces the will to do anything, through loss of emotional attachment to the self and to things in the world.
dbes02 5 months ago
There's only one question we as believers ought to ask anyone and that is who do you say Jesus Christ is?
If their answer is contrary to what the Holy Scriptures say and/or is not that He is their Lord then perhaps we might try and explain from what we know of Christ ourselves, why our hope is in Him!
Any theist might ask the same question as in the video but Christians should not be ashamed to own their LORD. Christ is the only way to salvation. The bible says that.
punksachoo 5 months ago
How can such a learned man be so confused. I could write a paragraph or two extolling the beauty of the Large Hadron Collider. Now where the blazes would that come from?
leitros 5 months ago 15
@leitros - Learned man? He's just an old fool who has chosen to be funded by a state-approved organisation.
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CaprimusicGLP 3 months ago
@leitros The beauty of the Large Hadron Collider?
CaprimusicGLP 3 months ago
God exists because you find the universe to be pretty? No sir, no.
Useless2112 5 months ago
OK. So maybe a god created the universe. Doesn't change the fact your bibles are man made bollocks.
garysgreat 5 months ago 5
@garysgreat I think you misunderstand - we as bible-believers, believe the bible is man-made. That is to say, even if something is man-made, it does not follow logically that it is therefore, "bollocks".
For example, my shoes are man-made, which doesn't mean they aren't real.
zt2max 5 months ago
@zt2max You Sir are quite right. Man made does not necessarily mean bollocks. It is just my opinion that the man-made bible is bollocks!! As for truth. Well it is true the bible exists. So did the fantasy models I made out of plasticine as a kid. However they held no more truth or knowledge than the bible.
As for your shoes. Since I can't see them, I will have to have faith that they are real. It would be logical to assume you need them for walking and to protect your feet. Good day to you.
garysgreat 5 months ago
@garysgreat Fair enough if it's your opinion, the bible exists, ofcourse, I was not trying to equivocate, I am just saying that the contents are regarded as inspired by God.
People make statements based on their opinions, as though they are stating objective truth, but as far as I know, the bible being false, is only a certain conclusion based on a subjective opinion of a particular group. There are compelling arguments either way, but they only stem from the original opinion largely.
zt2max 5 months ago
@zt2max Again I agree. If all these religious biggots would keep their faith to themselves, i.e A Personal belief, then I for one would be very happy. However many seem to think their belief should be forced upon others, regardless of the fact, there is no testable evidence for said belief. When push comes to shove and the argument seems "almost" lost, we hear the idiot in this video and others say, "Well how did we get here then? Who created the Universe?" As if that validates the bibles/koran.
garysgreat 5 months ago
@garysgreat I agree there are lots of ignoramuses which is annoying, but the band-wagon plumbs get away with it on the other side, too. No - I can't prove my bible, and I have to clean up after those who think they can. I can only make a compelling case and hope for open-minds.
tahnks for your time
zt2max 5 months ago
@zt2max Thanks for being refreshingly honest. :-)
garysgreat 5 months ago
@garysgreat No problem - :-)
zt2max 5 months ago
@zt2max Thank you for being so reasonable in your disagreement. I think that we, as sovereign individuals with differing beliefs, can respect each other and agree to disagree, then the largest problems of the world would begin to see correction, if only through mutual effort and understanding.
splchk 5 months ago
@splchk No problem, you're right, it's ok not to agree, when it turns personal then it becomes silly. Thanks
zt2max 5 months ago
@zt2max Give me a "compelling" argument on the side of the bible then. As far as I klnow it is called faith because there simply is no evidence, empirical or otherwise for any of its claims, and to believe in it one must first choose to ignore the bad bits. Otherwise all followers would be homophobic, have slaves, oppress women, beat children, stone women, kill rival tribes and be racist, as there are passage condoning, indeed encouraging each of these.
sids500 4 months ago
@sids500 well said!!
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garysgreat 5 months ago
@zt2max Your bible makes extraordinary unfounded and extremely unlikely claims which millions follow to varying degrees. Your shoes are just shoes. Not really a comparison. Shoes are real, and the claims are probably not. Not one single one of them has ever proved to be so, so far. Still, 2000yrs and counting, so maybe one day! The whole thing is virtually copied from previous older religions anyway, and the commandments (the only part god wrote) are far from eternal, just read them out loud!
sids500 4 months ago
It's sad to see people that are so brainwashed by religion =/
Crazyrat84 5 months ago
So now we need to raise the question: is the love that I feel equal to the love that anybody else feels? And if I feel something called love .... Who can provide prove from what originated that love.... well .
Seams a unique experience, that felleing: love
thomasey2 5 months ago
Hahahahahahhahahaha. This is the opposition?! I can never believe religious people cannot hear that no church leader ever answers any questions! God exists because: "well, where the blazes has that come from?" Brilliant.
flopbur 5 months ago
it doest not prove IN ANY WAY that your 'God' created the Universe!!!!
marekmaxpabianice 6 months ago
Woah those eyebrows. Spectacular!
MrKohlenstoff 6 months ago
what a bad question
wardyladohaye 6 months ago
He really doesn't get it... does he.
SinuousStudios 6 months ago
@SinuousStudios You're right, Dawkins really doesn't get it.
TruthWatch 5 months ago
It comes from the brain.
If God wanted us to love nature we'd enjoy the cold!
FreekinEkin2 6 months ago 15
@FreekinEkin2 i like the cold, i love winter more than summer!
mihaimoldo 5 months ago
@mihaimoldo What was I thinking!? So do I! I probably meant extreme cold, it's not like lava is natures sauna though is it, nature can be just as violent and disgusting as beautiful.
FreekinEkin2 5 months ago
@FreekinEkin2 Well, if you think outside of the box, the first biological entities were extremophiles, that means the first cells,bacterias, viruses whatever they were, survived and thrived in an uninhabitable environment that would kill us. So as the earth cooled and and the atmosphere changed so did life. So to those lifeforms we are the extremophiles.Speaking about extreme weathers you must think wich era are you speaking about.
mihaimoldo 5 months ago
@FreekinEkin2 I enjoy the cold.
celticbre 4 months ago
@celticbre Weather so cold that the skin burns and your tears freeze in your eyes? I didn't think so :p
FreekinEkin2 4 months ago
@FreekinEkin2 Oooh yeah I wouldn't like that! Ha. However something tells me that Chimps and Toucans would probably feel the same about that kind of cold, as with many tropical or temperate acclimatised creature
celticbre 4 months ago
@celticbre Are you a Christian?? I don't mind or anything.
FreekinEkin2 4 months ago
@FreekinEkin2 Affirmative
celticbre 3 months ago
It's a fucking wizard!
kacper1194 6 months ago
mm, dem eyebrows
TheMattofG 6 months ago
Of course! Why didn't I realize...
Love for the universe - "Left brain analytical description" = Jesus!
logician360 6 months ago
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There's probably no god, but there's definitely no Christian god.
mellowcowism 6 months ago
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mellowcowism 6 months ago
this man is the most perfect impersonator of a sheep both in his apperance and thought ...
MrStewart149 6 months ago
the bible is just a book, but lets look at what happens in this book!
the character god is responsible for 3,2 million deaths.
the character lucifer is responible for 10 deaths.
the character god commands child sacrifice and blood letting.
the character jesus sacrifices himself, to himself and spends merely days dead.
humans are ordered to stone their unruley children to death, to execute homosexuals, to burn people suspected of witchcraft.
this is but a taste of the immoral insanity of the book
DemoraX 7 months ago
@DemoraX I dare say that the bible is worse then the Twilight series
DarknessLPs 6 months ago
@DarknessLPs That's low... but true.
Never3rd 6 months ago
Very lazy, Dr. Carey - very lazy.
skegpit 7 months ago
what a shmuck
MrYouremyhero 7 months ago
im afraid thats as good as it gets from this crowd.
hotstixx 7 months ago
Lets face it,none of us know, and probably never will, so why bother about it all.Go out ,or stay in for that matter, and enjoy yourselves.
curleyteeth 7 months ago
not believing in god(s) does not mean denying existence of love and emotion. He seems to suggest all atheists have no feelings but logic.
dvfer444 8 months ago
... the brain, perhaps?
peteylalor 8 months ago
@Ozscii They struggling for survival. I don't think 75,000 years ago when less than 20,00 humans were alive desperately trying to do so on Africa there was a lot of philosophical questions around.
Humans pass their knowledge down through generations, and improve on already existing knowledge throughout time. Other species can't do this, atleast very well.
As for the life in space question, it's impossible to know and stupid to specualte.
XanderBBo 8 months ago
I like the Archbishop of Canterbury, I think he seems quite accepting and ready to listen to others. I think he represents the positive aspects of Christianity (and religion in general): peace and tolerance and people living in harmony together.
DobbyKing1 8 months ago
@Ozscii Don't give humans too much credit. We are not so great in brainpower individually. For instance, think of various things in your home. You use a microwave and computer every day. Could you just decide to build one from scratch? Probably not unless that's your profession. Could you just decide to create a masterpiece of a novel just because you wanted? I doubt it. There are many ways human beings could be improved upon.
PicklesReallySuck 8 months ago
Did they seriously just applaud that as if to say 'OHHH WE GOT DAWKINS THERE'
give me a break.
roadkill1001 8 months ago
@roadkill1001 People applaud after a speech for courtesy, no matter the position.
But of course, that's not something one could expect from you, is it?
CarlosMarti123 8 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Sure, people do. You would also be right in saying that's not something you could expect from me and that is because when someone talks crap, I don't applaud it. It is not courtesy to humour people with ridiculous questions that have been discussed time and time again.
roadkill1001 8 months ago
@roadkill1001 How did this person talk "crap"?
Care to explain that?
CarlosMarti123 8 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Why do the majority of your posts get marked as spam? Is it because people are sick of you perpetuating your delusion? Care to explain why a rational and intelligent man would believe your invisible being is real and not just a figment of you and other delusional moron's imagination? Why do you believe holy texts that don't even qualify as hearsay? Why do you still think bronze aged man's knowledge trumps what we know to be true today? Why are you delusional?
mechanicmike69 7 months ago
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@CarlosMarti123 rap, you want to know what crap is? Morality has a much better company with reality and truth than it does with fables, myths, lies, and down right errors and people are realizing it. Teaching morality out of a book that has a father willing to sacrifice his child for an imaginary invisible being is an oxymoron.
You are a delusional fucking moron.
mechanicmike69 7 months ago 2
@CarlosMarti123 "If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine - but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of the Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working."
- Frank Zappa
mechanicmike69 7 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 "All religions bear traces of the fact that they arose during the intellectual immaturity of the human race, before it had learned the obligations to speak the truth. Not one of them makes it the duty of its god to be truthful and understandable in his communications."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
mechanicmike69 7 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 We are all atheists about most of the Gods humanity has ever believed in, some of us, just go one god further.
mechanicmike69 7 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 When you understand why YOU DISMISS all the other gods of humanities past and present (atheism) then you will understand why I and any rational man dismisses yours.
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CarlosMarti123 7 months ago
@mechanicmike69 "When you understand why YOU DISMISS all the other gods (atheism) then you will understand why I and any rational man dismisses yours."
When you understand why you can't make a single response that does not involve astounding amounts of stupidity, you will understand why I reject your delusion.
CarlosMarti123 7 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 There is many reasons why I dismiss all those other religions, but I would have to say that the one thing that's different, is the God I believe in has lasted far longer (over 2000 years) than any other god belief. Answer this question, why does every civilization, that we can learn enough of, believe in a God at all? What reason did they have to make such a conclusion, at any time?
vbirdieb 7 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Sorry, I think I misunderstood your response. It should've been directed at the other guy.
vbirdieb 7 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 Truth crosses borders and cultures, example: math 2+2=4 in every country and culture on this planet. It doesn’t matter what you believe, or what country you are from, 2+2=4 every time. 18 main religions. (over 40,000 versions of Christianity alone) ALL claiming to be right and all the others wrong. And you wonder why the smart people in the world laugh at you.
You are a delusional fucking moron.
mechanicmike69 7 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 - A Scientist looks for an Explanation to All the Facts. A Theist looks for Only the facts that Fit Their Explanation
mechanicmike69 7 months ago
We are a natural product of our universe. It is truly a beautiful symmetry that we have evolved the consciousness and reason to observe and plumb our own origins and this is much more remarkable than believing that we and the universe were deliberate unrelated creations just placed here together. Believing in god creation deprives us of the knowledge of our true and natural patrimony and substitutes a dull and primitive ignorance for the awe inspiring truth, power, and majesty of nature.
emaildoctor 9 months ago
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@emaildoctor "Believing in god creation deprives us of the knowledge of our true and natural patrimony and substitutes a dull and primitive ignorance for the awe inspiring truth, power, and majesty of nature."
Explain why it does that. Perhaps it's only your cognitive bias speaking through?
CarlosMarti123 8 months ago
Where does it come from? It comes from a realization that we are not only inextricably linked to the universe - the very atoms that make up our bodies can be traced back to the big bang,- but that in this sense we ARE in fact the conscious living aspect of the universe itself. We certainly were not put here by some celestial puppet master. The whole essence of beauty is in the recognition of a deep connection with our real origins - not with some clumsy screwed up religious metaphor.
Hufflewaffle 9 months ago
@Hufflewaffle "not with some clumsy screwed up religious metaphor."
And what's this "clumsy screwed up religious metaphor" you speak of with such certainty?
CarlosMarti123 8 months ago
It also comes from the brain, dear bishop
annata12 9 months ago
well those were some fancy words. Too bad pretty poetry does not a sound notion make.
UndeadFatality 9 months ago
Since the world is so complex and intricate, an even more complex and intricate being must have designed it. Right. Sorry bishop, but what you assert without evidence I can and will dismiss without evidence - and your answer just poses an even bigger question.
kaifroland 9 months ago
If there was a God he would surely send you a pair of tweezers for your eyebrows.
Crystalgirlist 9 months ago
This is an argument from ignorance. The Archbishop of Canterbury doesn't know where all this beauty comes from, so therefore there must be a god. Lame in the extreme. The Archbishop is devoid of ideas, all he can appeal to is blind "faith". The sooner this transparent religious nonsense disappears from our beautiful world the better.
frussell3 9 months ago
if there is god or some kind of creator he or it would have nothing to do with any of the religions history and archaeology shows us they are just made up
mcdinkity 9 months ago 6
Honestly, why wouldn't you trim those brows man.....
deveraux009 9 months ago 4
Thats it??? Where does his sense of beauty come from?
rccaulfield 9 months ago
Why must Christians always stack the deck, and deal from the bottom? This guy appears on the face of it to be semi intelligent, yet he believes there are only two choices, either God did it, or nothing did it! I refuse to believe he is that stupid, so I suspect he is lying for Jebus. (sic)
TheTomtompiper 9 months ago 2
Isn't Jesus coming in a few years? Look, when we all die we will see what happens.. is either Sleep Forever...or..your soul goes beyond the universe..
My answer is.. When I die, I don't wanna go to heaven nor hell, I wanna explore the universe :) Thank you very much!
freedomland11 10 months ago
@freedomland11 According to the Bible, Jesus was supposed to come back while some of his apostles were still alive (Jesus himself said this). So, according to the Bible, Jesus is about 1900 years overdue.
TrevorBlack79 9 months ago
acept jesus
1crommy 10 months ago
I think is question is really just a question from ignorance. We don't know exactly where it came from, so God did it. I love the wonders of the universe, but why not just love the universe instead of going a step further and loving a deity for supposedly doing it.
dotmadhack 10 months ago
Williams is a blithering idiot.
Mzungu64 10 months ago
People are in love with god
Where the blazes did he come from?
GeorgeMillerAtkinson 10 months ago 2
He finishes as though he made a point........still waiting for the ''non'' to be removed from nonsense. Thank God ( God is an arbitrary name for nothing ) for Dawkin's.
platermanone 10 months ago
That guy has some looong as eyebrows!
brono25 10 months ago 2
Even people who claim to back evolution have no idea what they're talking about.
The universe can't arise from evolution. That's stupid. God creating the universe and evolution are not in contrast with each other. Evolution = change. change in an organism. nothing more.
cthom7 10 months ago
@cthom7 I totally agree with you and am on your side but to be accurate, the universe is very much evolving, but we are of course talking about biological evolution. What many creationists contradict is the beginning of the universe and evolution by natural selection, totally separate of course.
drewwhonumba22 10 months ago
It's a shame when people who clearly have the english language grasped so eloquently, and carry themselves in such a revered manner, can ask something so lacking in any substance other than "Because you describe something in a beautiful way, and you show love for it, therefore it must be made by god" This intellectual light weight really shows the blind faith attitude and non inquisitive nature of religious people.
Caineheist 10 months ago
so rather than a small cocktail of chemicals in your brain its a small dose of god tickling your receptors?..got it.... no probs...
lukerogers 10 months ago