of humanity. This is not the pre-destined divine plan for creation. God does not intend for creation to be destroyed by it's own hands. This is why the Melchizedek Order exists. This order of archangels are among the human children just as the fallen ones known as cherubim. The fallen ones have given these false teachings to embed fear into the masses. Very clever, wouldn't you say. The darkness is very busy these days. Wake up human children. Its time to know your origins!
cannibals. The giants ate everything in their path. The Babylonian Gods still walk the Earth and write a false history of those that are the opposite to thier darkness. The fairytales are twisted tales conceived by the dark ones. Why do you think this world has been dominated by war, intolerance and catastrophe? It certainly is not due to humanity having the truth among you as guidelines and positive influence. To keep listening to the old Luciferian liers will prove to be the extinction
Who the h*ll wrote that stupid crap? The Monoans were the Atlanteans and Atlanteans were always the most advanced civilization that's ever existed here on Earth. The Monoans were a balanced being and had no reason to even imagine being less than respectful towards each other and those that they had interpersonal relationships with. The Sumerians were and are the fallen ones. The nephilim were the offspring of the Babylonians (the Akim) which were not Atlantean. It is these beings that were
Well before the Thera Eruption, there were sharply increased earthquakes in the area--and of course the people on Crete would have been able to SEE the eruption. They knew death was coming & tried to forestall it with these desperate sacrifices. But my feeling is, this was an aberration, perhaps some dark tradition revived as a last resort. Minoan art is startling precisely because of the lack of violent themes. Their frescoes celebrate life, not death. But every society has it's dark side.
@machado231097 I've been busy doing work for money ( an unfortunate necessity), but I will have something new out real soon. In looking at the relative few programs I've produced so far, two have been about the nazis - so I probably won't be going there again for awhile. Thanks.
Sorry Takarsky, at this point (from my research paper), I only can reinforce your theory. It basically deal with the main issue: climate. I found several words for "rain", as it was so important for survival scope. Archeological (from frescoes) and Linguistic evidence in "Stone libation formula" lead in such way. So: no rainfall > no water > no crops = starvation; that is why they made sacrifice as such. Further, the goddess herself bearer the name of "rain-maiden". Gotcha?
We are not really far from why ~ where ~ when Minoan perform a sacrifice, just read this PDF (free) "The Chppa ritual in the tradtional religions of the Caucasus" by Kevin Tuite. Further, Andi people, "The pre-islamic Andis had a cultic centre on the peak of the mountain of Bakhargan, which was associated with their chief deity, Tso'b"; so "Peak of the mountain....." it remind me Cretan peak sanctuaries and its cult and purpose, do you?
Minoans are Arians Lusatian Srbs they flad to Iliria when they wher atact by Helens.Ilirians are Romas Lad by Arian Hindu Kush.Minoans fight Egipt.Arians are noble they never kill people.
uhm... the first feminine figure (the "fat" one without a face) is Venus of Willendorf. It's German, not Minoan... And it's around 22000-24000 years old. Just so you know.
@Chimeraniue Yes it is. The point I was making was that some prehistoric practices, like feminine goddess worship - and perhaps human sacrifice - had survived and been incorporated into the Minoan's culture.
10000 years from now, if someone finds evidence of some form of misconduct laying in the floor of the rotted down white house; I hope they dont judge our entire culture on that.
If you want to find evidence of real human sacrifice, go to China. They sacrifice baby girls to keep the population in check.
You didn't mention the Minotaur. Discounting the possibility of an actual man-eating mutant bull, and considering the embellishments of the later Greeks (regarding not only the Minotaur, but the worship of Poseidon and Demeter), the story of sacrifices in the Labyrinth must have its roots in actual Minoan religion.
@JCLeSinge I can't remeber if I left it out on purpose, or just didn't think about it. There is possibly a connection is there, but I think prehistoric sacrifice and even cannibalism were practiced in many places, and the left over stories of those days could have come down from somewhere else.
@tokarski21: Unlikely that the specific stories around Crete originated from a more general practice of human sacrifice; if that were so, all the other human-sacrifice myths from the surrounding region would be similar, and they're not; compare the cult of Hekate.
I see a better case for deliberately not mentioning it within the context of looking specifically at the Minoans without confusing the case by referencing the ancient Greeks.
This is very interesting made me think. I'm not assureed of the practice of cannibalism from the video you only had a few sources of information and most focused on human sacrafice not cannibalism but It's a good theory.
@congeniality10 Yeah, in hindsight I think the word cannibalism is probably misleading and a bit sensationalist. The evidence suggests it was part of a religious sacrifice and wasn't practiced by the majority of the population.
«The dead hero had had house-dogs; two of them did Achilles slay and threw upon the pyre; he also put twelve brave sons of noble Trojans to the sword and laid them with the rest, for he was full of bitterness and fury. Then he committed all to the resistless and devouring might of the fire; ...
... he groaned aloud and called on his dead comrade by name. 'Fare well,' he cried, 'Patroclus, even in the house of Hades; I am now doing all that I have promised you. Twelve brave sons of noble Trojans shall the flames consume along with yourself, but dogs, not fire, shall devour the flesh of Hector son of Priam.'»
Information & accurate. I see you used the Dartmouth site but you didn't list it. Again, let us remember to not look at ancient history through a filter of modernity, general ignorance & the 'enlightened' perspective that all people are created equal as we do now, or through the luxury of being able to pass of judgement while not truly understanding ancient history in general, let alone its people, culture, their social mores & religion, which all factor in the WHY of their actions.
@KAEkvall Depending on the topic, it can be very hard to separate todays knowledge and morality from the world as our ancestors knew it. Thanks for your thoughts.
I don't care what sort of mystery they were attempting to solve, or whether or not they were trying to understand their world and how it worked, you can't excuse human sacrifice. It is inherently wrong. There is a difference between being open minded to new cultures, and being rational and moral. Human sacrifice is inherently irrational and immoral, no excuses.
IMO, ancient civilizations were matriarchal and the gods worshipped feminine, until about 10,000 years ago, when men got pissed off and wrested the power away, thus giving god a penis.
another sea civilization, phoenecians, also said to have practiced child sacrifice.. maybe sea peoples who had to rely on a capricious, dangerous sea were very supersticious and ended up doing the "sacrifice babies to the angry gods" bit more than, say, farming people?
Je pensent que les humains oublient facilement parce que la douleurs n'est se transmettre pas a travers le temps, ont peut essayer de visualiser ou sentir la douleur, la frayeur, les tourments, les inquiétudes c'est pas facile. Il s'avere que beaucoup de choses se repetent toujours. Les catastrophes comme tsunami d'Indonésie ou les gens vont explorer la mer au lieu vers les hauts plateaux.
C'est vrai, la plupart de nous pensent que ces gens avaient des moyens communications d'aujourd'hui et ont se mettre a juger. Nous sommes pure que ces anciens d'autrefois parce qu'avec tous l'educations et la science ont repetent toujors les meme fautes. Ont ne tirent jamais des lecons, mais commencent a juger et aveuglement oubliés l'histoire pendant que l'histoire se repete devant nous.
I can not explain how (500 characters are not enough for a dissertation on the subject), but the word "to kill" appears in two Linear A inscriptions: PK Za 11 (stone table - stone libation formula), and in this case the KILLER IS a WOMAN (whom bull is offered for sacrifice); the second one is KN Zc 7. You can find it in John Younger website; the translation is mine. Linear A shortly will be not a mystery anymore.
Archeological evidence and linguistic translation lead in this way.
i dont see the big deal about cannibals...it was ages ago, they werent as intelligent about the world about them and tmost likely thought when something really bad was going down and thought it would appease there gods, i dont see the big deal really lol...
Ah, that would have been really hard my friend, since Minoan civilization flourished about 2000 years before Rome became even a modest power. To put it into perspective, at the time the Minoans-with all their faults- built toilets and palaces, Rome was a village of 5 hovels...
Ahahahahahahahahaha! They shamelessly show Wikipedia as a valid source and ONE book to support this claim... ah yes! And according to the Soros foundation research ancient Greeks were sub-Saharnas... dear God! What's next? Pink elephants?
Wow, you're absolutely right. I don't know what I was thinking. Thanks so much for taking time from your busy day to straighten me out. Now all I have to do is find is a cow.
Linear B is an adapted form of Linear A based on Greek. The Minoans were not Greek they were a completely different civilisation with indeterminate roots.
this is nonsense, of course with the barabrity of western europe in the middle ages-- now these guys are trying to paint that the advanced ancient greeks were canibals only a testimony to their arrogance in believing they can control history by lying
Actually, this was before the Greeks. The Minoans were one of the first cultures to emerge from the prehistoric past and leave behind a written record. They were very advanced for their time, but had more ties to to their past and their ancestors beliefs and superstitions than you may believe. The past isn't being rewritten, it's being understood better. Thanks for watching and voicing your opinions.
I realize there may be a slight translation problem here, but what I think you're saying is that if an archaeologist finds finds cooking utensils with food residues and human fingers he should assume the cook was clumsy.
2- the only truely pacifistic group i know of is described by Tacitus in Germania. that collection of dreamers shunned all war and money and lived in the woods. it was rough, everyone picked on them. it would have been better for them if they had kept some swords!! and the will to use them!!
Minoans? peaceful?? theyd have been rubbed out in a week if they had been peaceful Utopians back then! you can bet wolves with swords circled that wealthy place! drooling and waiting for an opportunity!
Is that a fact? I'll tell you what's true - I am in awe of Greek history and the achievements of those people and times, and I think knowing as much as we can about them can only make us appreciate them and us more.
I am not afraid of, it just need more 'space' than 500 characters.
There is already archeological evidence, but Linear A still enigmatic (00:42), true. I am also a challenger in decipherment, unfortunately I can not make pubblic statement until the book is published.
Yes, "it is only history" and it will be proven from further evidence.
I am not stopping what other love to believe on their own hope and faith and this are strong and holly. People loves to listen to story and yet what they do they will use it against the people that had nothing to do with the forgotten history. People dies every day and yet help comes to late.
There is no Minoan cannibalism or whatever else your sick mind might think. There are Nephelims though that demanded human flesh. i.e. Minautavros.
A little bit of history beyond what you have been furnished by your Masters would help. Read EL and Nephelim in Earth;s History. EL LAS the base of he EL.
Jews don't have human sacrfice? So why when God ordered Abraham to sacrfifice Isaac was Abraham au fait with what needed to be done? All societies had human sacrifice, it just died out at different stages.
You're deranged. Jews don't have human sacrifice. Phoenicians and Carthaginians did, but there is no evidence of their presence in the New World. If you really work for the govt. in any capacity, keep your mouth shut because if they figure out you're insane, they might just fire you, or at least I hope so. Montezuma ruled the Aztecs at the time of the conquest; their cultural practices, including cannibalistic human sacrifice, surely predated his reign.
Im going to put this bullshit to rest once and for all. Human sacrifice goes back as far as recorded history. The reasons are as varied as the peoples who practiced this act of barbarism. Anyone who has any kind of sense would not tolerate it and would flee. There are only two kinds of sacrifice victims, the willing and the unwilling any and all other parameters are not needed. For the willing it was an honor for the unwilling it was a curse. For artbrosmpts' mother it was a little of both. rofl
Fuck you cunt. Mexicans might have killed alot of shit but never ate it you fucking piece of shit, lol. Don't compare me to these fucking savage cunts.
You've got to be kidding. The Aztecs sacrificed tens of thousands of people and sometimes ate them. And they weren't the only cannibals in Mesoamerica. Don't be ashamed. They probably needed the protein. Their main animal was a hairless rat-dog. Anyway, prehistoric Mesoamerica was a hundred times more cannibalistic than prehistoric Crete, with that single proven incident.
Your mother needs the protein bitch! I have been to Mexico and been among the ruins and have studied the history from the first handers not the rewriters of history. But since you are so into cannibal references you can start by eating my dick since you obviously are a whiteboy faggot, lol. Just because you are a barbarian like your ancestors doesnt mean that Mexicans are. Montezuma learned sacrificial sun worship from a very ancient sect of cultists that lived in what is now New Mexico.
Before Montezuma, human sacrifice was unheard of in the Americas. The ancient Phoenician serpent cult spread all through North and South America, those guys got around big time. The white barbarians taught the indigenous human sacrifice just like the Jews still practice today. It is recorded in The Library of Congress where I happen to work you dicksmoker. Montezuma and other leaders used the sacrifice bullshit to instill fear into their enemy tribes, it's casically mesoamerica gone ghetto, haha
Minoans where Greek.. Their entire religion is based on Greek religion and also there are many stories the Greeks where saying about Minoans like King Minoa,TALOS (zeus's gift), Europa (zeus's lover), amalthia (zeus's goat :), Minotaur and the athenian Theseus.
Nai, kurie. The Minoans were probably not Greek. I am Greek; it's not a point of offense. I still believe they are our ancestors, as they most likely intermarried with the early Greeks; the result was a blend of culture and language, that became us. And the later Minoans (by the time of Linear B) were ruled by Greek families, as Linear B is Proto-Greek.
yes yes, the later minoans were ruled by greek families...WTF? I should not have to argue this with another greek...or are you really? Go open some books man, and not anti greek propaganda books. There is no fucking evidence at all to suggest they WERENT greek, everything points to the opposite. greek language, greek religion, greek culture, greek everything. And since when are greeks a single race? are the islanders, mainlanders, and inhabitants of the mediterrannean PELASGI.
Excuse me, Pousti. I'm sorry if I offended you. I happen to study Ancient Greek and Latin in University, and my family is from Mani (I wouldn't be surprised if you don't even know where that is). Have you even read "The Decipherment of Linear B," by Chadwick? Now, how about you open a book, you stupid, hot-headed ignoramus, before telling others to. Katalavenete Ellenika? Ohi? I didn't think so.
Ok, you want to play rough? Akouse me tora malaka prodoti na mi sou gamiso to mouni tis manas sou. gia kapios pou spoudasi tin elliniki isotria sto panepistimio, eprepe na kseris piei inai i minoes. Alla tora pou to skeftome, bori ke nase ellinas, alle ke na mi kseris pou inai i kolotripida sou. Eisai ena ap aftous pou lene pirame ola apo tous egyptious ke allous barbarous, etsi pou sou to mathenoune i xeni. Stamata na diavasis eglezika ke germanika fairy tales, ke pare ena biblio elliniko.
Minoans and cannibalism: not two terms I would have associated either
watching this, I recall Will Durant's stating in one of his histories that the Romans return to human sacrifice briefly when Hannibal is decimating their legions
and for me, I won't say that the Romans and the Minoans were more barbaric than we are, but this brings to my mind Thomas Hobbes' (I think Hobbes) quote (or paraphrase), "take away the thin veneer of civilization and and men become savages"
THRE ARE NOT EVIDENCE that the Myceneans ever conquer the MINOANS!!!!The opposite, there are evidence that MINOANS,and MYCENEANS,AND CYCLADIANS were the same people, GREEKS!!!READ THE ANCIENT SCHOLARS and you will see!!!!THERE YOU CAN FIND THE TRUTH!!!
Most of the ancient greek myths are allegoric. So u can't compare the myth of Minotaurus with cannibalism. In every part of the civilised world u may find cannibals nowadays. So. let's say that there are cases of 5 cannibals in USA, u can't really say that Americans are cannibals. Thus, the archaelogical findings that u suggest may have been just some cases of cannibalism in ancient Crete.
Yes. I agree. At most, it was a practice reserved for a select few in a ritualistic context. I didn't bring up the minotaur story in the video, but the later Greek culture may have had some some knowledge of the Minoan practice and incorporated it in an allegorical story. Or maybe not.
There is evidence of possible human sacrifice and evidence of cannibalism, nothing to do with the Bible at all. Also it's difficult to solve the Linear puzzle because they can't define a commonality, like a name which helped solve the Egyptians' hieroglyphs.
I wonder why all the other scripts and hieroglyphics are translatable, but not linear A script. If it could be translated, that might shed some light on whether or not the Minoans engaged in human sacrifice.
Another video suggests that this was done when catastrophe and decline gripped their civilization - but that's also when the Myceneans conquered them.
I wonder if it's possible that the violent conquering "ravishers" aka Myceneans might have been responsible for the sacrifices.
Good questions. My feeling is that the Minoans were practicing traditions that had been handed down from an earlier time. The Myceneans, I believe, were the authors of the minotaur mythology - and I think that was their take on the Minoan sacrifices. But who knows.
For your information, the Minoan Culture was not the first civilization in Greece or Europe. The Cycladic was the first Civilization. Also you showed a Cycladic figure in the video. Please research your info before making or showing a video.
I also showed a prehistoric fertility goddess. They were put in the video to show that prehistoric cultures 'sprang from feminine based ideals'. I didn't intend them to be associated as Minoan, but as forebarers to the Minoan culture. And I appologize to all Cycladians for not being aware of their civilization. I am looking it up now, and the history is very fascinating. Thank you for bringing it to my attention
You're right. The Mycenean culture on mainland Greece was related to the Minoans. It's the classical Greek culture that came after the Dorian and Ionians replaced the Myceneans that I was referring to. And legends do usually have some truth in them. The Minotaur story may reference some earlier historical events, and it is worth mentioning.
I have watch many many vids, and so far no evidence shows that. Minoan are to believe to be loving civilizations and food bases on natural resource, they don't even eat beef like we do..lol
Women were white, and men were tan...
Women were priestess who worked in doors stayed pale, men toiled the field and got tan.
HatterMadigan 6 months ago
of humanity. This is not the pre-destined divine plan for creation. God does not intend for creation to be destroyed by it's own hands. This is why the Melchizedek Order exists. This order of archangels are among the human children just as the fallen ones known as cherubim. The fallen ones have given these false teachings to embed fear into the masses. Very clever, wouldn't you say. The darkness is very busy these days. Wake up human children. Its time to know your origins!
aliearia03 6 months ago
cannibals. The giants ate everything in their path. The Babylonian Gods still walk the Earth and write a false history of those that are the opposite to thier darkness. The fairytales are twisted tales conceived by the dark ones. Why do you think this world has been dominated by war, intolerance and catastrophe? It certainly is not due to humanity having the truth among you as guidelines and positive influence. To keep listening to the old Luciferian liers will prove to be the extinction
aliearia03 6 months ago
Who the h*ll wrote that stupid crap? The Monoans were the Atlanteans and Atlanteans were always the most advanced civilization that's ever existed here on Earth. The Monoans were a balanced being and had no reason to even imagine being less than respectful towards each other and those that they had interpersonal relationships with. The Sumerians were and are the fallen ones. The nephilim were the offspring of the Babylonians (the Akim) which were not Atlantean. It is these beings that were
aliearia03 6 months ago
Well before the Thera Eruption, there were sharply increased earthquakes in the area--and of course the people on Crete would have been able to SEE the eruption. They knew death was coming & tried to forestall it with these desperate sacrifices. But my feeling is, this was an aberration, perhaps some dark tradition revived as a last resort. Minoan art is startling precisely because of the lack of violent themes. Their frescoes celebrate life, not death. But every society has it's dark side.
mightymissk 8 months ago
@machado231097 I've been busy doing work for money ( an unfortunate necessity), but I will have something new out real soon. In looking at the relative few programs I've produced so far, two have been about the nazis - so I probably won't be going there again for awhile. Thanks.
tokarski21 1 year ago
Sorry Takarsky, at this point (from my research paper), I only can reinforce your theory. It basically deal with the main issue: climate. I found several words for "rain", as it was so important for survival scope. Archeological (from frescoes) and Linguistic evidence in "Stone libation formula" lead in such way. So: no rainfall > no water > no crops = starvation; that is why they made sacrifice as such. Further, the goddess herself bearer the name of "rain-maiden". Gotcha?
pier3800 1 year ago
We are not really far from why ~ where ~ when Minoan perform a sacrifice, just read this PDF (free) "The Chppa ritual in the tradtional religions of the Caucasus" by Kevin Tuite. Further, Andi people, "The pre-islamic Andis had a cultic centre on the peak of the mountain of Bakhargan, which was associated with their chief deity, Tso'b"; so "Peak of the mountain....." it remind me Cretan peak sanctuaries and its cult and purpose, do you?
pier3800 1 year ago
nice vid & message
Tales7777 1 year ago
thumps up if u wrote i forgot what to search for
WeFailRandomly 1 year ago
Minoans are Arians Lusatian Srbs they flad to Iliria when they wher atact by Helens.Ilirians are Romas Lad by Arian Hindu Kush.Minoans fight Egipt.Arians are noble they never kill people.
verplichtduzanduznik 1 year ago
@verplichtduzanduznik learn to spell?
Crusafriedchiken 1 year ago
@Crusafriedchiken OK
verplichtduzanduznik 1 year ago
@verplichtduzanduznik That comment has to be the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
Nazi bastard.
allien1945 1 year ago
@allien1945. i agree with u.
tigerpoosha 1 year ago
uhm... the first feminine figure (the "fat" one without a face) is Venus of Willendorf. It's German, not Minoan... And it's around 22000-24000 years old. Just so you know.
Chimeraniue 1 year ago
@Chimeraniue Yes it is. The point I was making was that some prehistoric practices, like feminine goddess worship - and perhaps human sacrifice - had survived and been incorporated into the Minoan's culture.
tokarski21 1 year ago
that was intresting.. and very good... we shouldnt be so fast to judge people or a culture.
Thecla 1 year ago
@Thecla Thanks. And you're right, it's usually a mistake to prejudge other peoples practices - past or present.
tokarski21 1 year ago
10000 years from now, if someone finds evidence of some form of misconduct laying in the floor of the rotted down white house; I hope they dont judge our entire culture on that.
If you want to find evidence of real human sacrifice, go to China. They sacrifice baby girls to keep the population in check.
GeminiAzules 1 year ago
@GeminiAzules If that's all they find, they probably will.
tokarski21 1 year ago
You didn't mention the Minotaur. Discounting the possibility of an actual man-eating mutant bull, and considering the embellishments of the later Greeks (regarding not only the Minotaur, but the worship of Poseidon and Demeter), the story of sacrifices in the Labyrinth must have its roots in actual Minoan religion.
JCLeSinge 1 year ago
@JCLeSinge I can't remeber if I left it out on purpose, or just didn't think about it. There is possibly a connection is there, but I think prehistoric sacrifice and even cannibalism were practiced in many places, and the left over stories of those days could have come down from somewhere else.
tokarski21 1 year ago
@tokarski21: Unlikely that the specific stories around Crete originated from a more general practice of human sacrifice; if that were so, all the other human-sacrifice myths from the surrounding region would be similar, and they're not; compare the cult of Hekate.
I see a better case for deliberately not mentioning it within the context of looking specifically at the Minoans without confusing the case by referencing the ancient Greeks.
JCLeSinge 1 year ago
@JCLeSinge Yeah, we're on a 10 minute limit here. I'm always editing down, but I think that actually helps me get the story across better.
tokarski21 1 year ago
This is very interesting made me think. I'm not assureed of the practice of cannibalism from the video you only had a few sources of information and most focused on human sacrafice not cannibalism but It's a good theory.
congeniality10 1 year ago
@congeniality10 Yeah, in hindsight I think the word cannibalism is probably misleading and a bit sensationalist. The evidence suggests it was part of a religious sacrifice and wasn't practiced by the majority of the population.
tokarski21 1 year ago
The myth of the Minotaur has already been mentioned - as well as the Baal cult of the Carthaginians.
christophmahler 1 year ago
This is Homer:
«The dead hero had had house-dogs; two of them did Achilles slay and threw upon the pyre; he also put twelve brave sons of noble Trojans to the sword and laid them with the rest, for he was full of bitterness and fury. Then he committed all to the resistless and devouring might of the fire; ...
christophmahler 1 year ago
... he groaned aloud and called on his dead comrade by name. 'Fare well,' he cried, 'Patroclus, even in the house of Hades; I am now doing all that I have promised you. Twelve brave sons of noble Trojans shall the flames consume along with yourself, but dogs, not fire, shall devour the flesh of Hector son of Priam.'»
("The Iliad", book 23; Homer; 800 BC)
christophmahler 1 year ago
There were no cannibalism in crete.Definitely..............
Do you know the greek history better than me????
And don't confuse things,please....
uboot1967 1 year ago
Information & accurate. I see you used the Dartmouth site but you didn't list it. Again, let us remember to not look at ancient history through a filter of modernity, general ignorance & the 'enlightened' perspective that all people are created equal as we do now, or through the luxury of being able to pass of judgement while not truly understanding ancient history in general, let alone its people, culture, their social mores & religion, which all factor in the WHY of their actions.
KAEkvall 1 year ago
@KAEkvall Depending on the topic, it can be very hard to separate todays knowledge and morality from the world as our ancestors knew it. Thanks for your thoughts.
tokarski21 1 year ago
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KAEkvall 1 year ago
After listening through some of my soundtrack music, I've realized that you used Enigma in this vid. Good song
seanthedonconsidine 1 year ago
@seanthedonconsidine That's right. It's been awhile since I made it. It did fit the topic pretty well. Good music library you've got there.
tokarski21 1 year ago
I don't care what sort of mystery they were attempting to solve, or whether or not they were trying to understand their world and how it worked, you can't excuse human sacrifice. It is inherently wrong. There is a difference between being open minded to new cultures, and being rational and moral. Human sacrifice is inherently irrational and immoral, no excuses.
And good video, what was the music you used?
seanthedonconsidine 1 year ago
@seanthedonconsidine I don't remeber everything I used, but there's a lot of Orb in there.
tokarski21 1 year ago
something good to watch
CAZPERsayz 1 year ago
vre amete sto gero gero diaolo pou den exete idea apo ellada kai kriti mazi kolompastardoi tou kerata
Grammateasgr 1 year ago
IMO, ancient civilizations were matriarchal and the gods worshipped feminine, until about 10,000 years ago, when men got pissed off and wrested the power away, thus giving god a penis.
theScytheofGod 1 year ago
another sea civilization, phoenecians, also said to have practiced child sacrifice.. maybe sea peoples who had to rely on a capricious, dangerous sea were very supersticious and ended up doing the "sacrifice babies to the angry gods" bit more than, say, farming people?
troonorth 1 year ago
@troonorth Very interesting thought.
tokarski21 1 year ago
@troonorth I don't know...I recall quite a lot of ancient farming societies spilling blood for a good harvest.
theScytheofGod 1 year ago
c'est tres interessant tokarski, merci de partager. Faire un video sur les géants d'autrefois.
jaalexis2002 1 year ago
Je pensent que les humains oublient facilement parce que la douleurs n'est se transmettre pas a travers le temps, ont peut essayer de visualiser ou sentir la douleur, la frayeur, les tourments, les inquiétudes c'est pas facile. Il s'avere que beaucoup de choses se repetent toujours. Les catastrophes comme tsunami d'Indonésie ou les gens vont explorer la mer au lieu vers les hauts plateaux.
jaalexis2002 1 year ago
C'est vrai, la plupart de nous pensent que ces gens avaient des moyens communications d'aujourd'hui et ont se mettre a juger. Nous sommes pure que ces anciens d'autrefois parce qu'avec tous l'educations et la science ont repetent toujors les meme fautes. Ont ne tirent jamais des lecons, mais commencent a juger et aveuglement oubliés l'histoire pendant que l'histoire se repete devant nous.
jaalexis2002 1 year ago
I can not explain how (500 characters are not enough for a dissertation on the subject), but the word "to kill" appears in two Linear A inscriptions: PK Za 11 (stone table - stone libation formula), and in this case the KILLER IS a WOMAN (whom bull is offered for sacrifice); the second one is KN Zc 7. You can find it in John Younger website; the translation is mine. Linear A shortly will be not a mystery anymore.
Archeological evidence and linguistic translation lead in this way.
pier3800 1 year ago
@pier3800 Very interesting. Thanks for the update.
tokarski21 1 year ago
This is astonishing a few googles and he's cracked the case!
ianbr0wn 1 year ago
@ianbr0wn Elementary, my dear Watson.
tokarski21 1 year ago
No.There are no proofs for cannibalism in ancient Greece.I know a few thinks....
uboot1967 1 year ago
ok someone need to read their history, they were not africans. TARD!
sbbriley 1 year ago
1.Minoans are not Africans.
2. The civilized West has moved beyond machetes and guns into more efficient methods of mass murder.
3. Maybe you should examine your own skull before exploring others.
aflesher1 1 year ago 3
sdide note. really funny how he uses wikipedia, lol
phaloxxx 2 years ago 5
"Et tu, Brute!"
tokarski21 2 years ago
i dont see the big deal about cannibals...it was ages ago, they werent as intelligent about the world about them and tmost likely thought when something really bad was going down and thought it would appease there gods, i dont see the big deal really lol...
phaloxxx 2 years ago
Who knows, maybe it will be proven true! I dont' totally agree with all the info in this video, but it is food for thought after all...
savvas74 2 years ago
Apparently food for humans too.
Aluenvey 2 years ago
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savvas74 2 years ago
no army ?!??
they will get owned in 24 hours if the romans knew aobout them :-)
sk8boarderboy 2 years ago
Ah, that would have been really hard my friend, since Minoan civilization flourished about 2000 years before Rome became even a modest power. To put it into perspective, at the time the Minoans-with all their faults- built toilets and palaces, Rome was a village of 5 hovels...
savvas74 2 years ago
No disrespect intended to the Romans...
savvas74 2 years ago
Ahahahahahahahahaha! They shamelessly show Wikipedia as a valid source and ONE book to support this claim... ah yes! And according to the Soros foundation research ancient Greeks were sub-Saharnas... dear God! What's next? Pink elephants?
mariuslupercus 2 years ago 2
tHIS IS FULL OF SIT
anemosellinas 2 years ago
Let;s just say that: this story of yours scientifically unfounded.
It is absolute nonsense !
But you can always write a Science Fiction novel about this subject.
I believe it would be interesting !
How's your new pet?
AJMOOOO0 2 years ago
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AJMOOOO0 2 years ago
Wow, you're absolutely right. I don't know what I was thinking. Thanks so much for taking time from your busy day to straighten me out. Now all I have to do is find is a cow.
tokarski21 2 years ago
It was Greek ...Crete was GREEK .
You dont know what you are saying.
Do you know how was MInoas?
What the word... Crete... means and from were it originates?
Linear A.... WAS NOT A LANGUAGE ..IT WAS a writing system.
They were not CANIBALS YOU FOOL.
anemosellinas 2 years ago
Linear B is an adapted form of Linear A based on Greek. The Minoans were not Greek they were a completely different civilisation with indeterminate roots.
ianbr0wn 1 year ago
this is nonsense, of course with the barabrity of western europe in the middle ages-- now these guys are trying to paint that the advanced ancient greeks were canibals only a testimony to their arrogance in believing they can control history by lying
nico3212 2 years ago
Actually, this was before the Greeks. The Minoans were one of the first cultures to emerge from the prehistoric past and leave behind a written record. They were very advanced for their time, but had more ties to to their past and their ancestors beliefs and superstitions than you may believe. The past isn't being rewritten, it's being understood better. Thanks for watching and voicing your opinions.
tokarski21 2 years ago
nice, video man this was very interesting and i never knew any of this.
slick0567 2 years ago
Thanks. Before I started researching it, I didn't know it either.
tokarski21 2 years ago
Excellent video, to the point, informative and very interesting, keep it up!
prestodc 2 years ago
that combat scene at the end was an airsoft game. type in airsoft op irene 3 if you dont believe me.
wadehg 2 years ago
You are right. Good call.
tokarski21 2 years ago
Today, if a Chef is found next to cooking utensils, what would u call, cannibalism. Stupid ideas.
bonobomale 2 years ago
I realize there may be a slight translation problem here, but what I think you're saying is that if an archaeologist finds finds cooking utensils with food residues and human fingers he should assume the cook was clumsy.
tokarski21 2 years ago
thank you so much i have to do an artical and
i found your video.
so im doing this topic tomorrow
purplebubblegum74 2 years ago
Hope it went well.
tokarski21 2 years ago
it did thank you very much
purplebubblegum74 2 years ago
Excellent, great video
beba0447 2 years ago
Thanks, I appreciate it.
tokarski21 2 years ago
2- the only truely pacifistic group i know of is described by Tacitus in Germania. that collection of dreamers shunned all war and money and lived in the woods. it was rough, everyone picked on them. it would have been better for them if they had kept some swords!! and the will to use them!!
acerb45666555 2 years ago
Excellent thoughts. thanks.
tokarski21 2 years ago
Minoans? peaceful?? theyd have been rubbed out in a week if they had been peaceful Utopians back then! you can bet wolves with swords circled that wealthy place! drooling and waiting for an opportunity!
acerb45666555 2 years ago
Is that a fact? I'll tell you what's true - I am in awe of Greek history and the achievements of those people and times, and I think knowing as much as we can about them can only make us appreciate them and us more.
tokarski21 2 years ago
not a single fact here..
only suggestions and assumptions,
probably because u wanted to find them.
Seirios86 2 years ago
this was very interesting!
im 14 and this is the exact video i was looking for, i really needed this info for my class :D
<3 thanksss
seamonstersummer 2 years ago
Glad I could help.
tokarski21 2 years ago
I can not explain now how, but murdered body and cannibalism is found also in "Stone libation formula" pottery inscriptions.
pier3800 2 years ago
omg im 11 and im watching acannibal children thing at night
bleachpudding 2 years ago
Don't be afraid - it's only history.
tokarski21 2 years ago
I am not afraid of, it just need more 'space' than 500 characters.
There is already archeological evidence, but Linear A still enigmatic (00:42), true. I am also a challenger in decipherment, unfortunately I can not make pubblic statement until the book is published.
Yes, "it is only history" and it will be proven from further evidence.
pier3800 2 years ago
Well done,I enjoyed this.Very entertaining and educational!!!
5 stars.
pjsdoggy 2 years ago
Thanks so much.
tokarski21 2 years ago
thank you !!!
BusinessButterfly 2 years ago
never trust wikipedia ^^
honki007 2 years ago 11
wiki sucks its SO BORING SITE
tandis97 2 years ago
good vids thanks for putting up, one correction tho i believe the Sumerian civilization predated the minoans
reset329 2 years ago
Yes, you're right. Thanks.
tokarski21 2 years ago
Interesting video. Some people compare the technological advances of the Minoans to legends of Atlantis and other lost but advanced civilizations.
GenerationX1984 2 years ago
Yes they do - and if I ever get it done, my next episode will speak to those legends. Thanks for watching.
tokarski21 2 years ago
human sacrifice is practiced these days on an industrial scale
iorixs 2 years ago 10
I am not stopping what other love to believe on their own hope and faith and this are strong and holly. People loves to listen to story and yet what they do they will use it against the people that had nothing to do with the forgotten history. People dies every day and yet help comes to late.
Sonyoooo3 2 years ago
braintat: Thats why i dont like writing a good words or correct way i dont want crazy people become fanatic nerd.
Sonyoooo3 2 years ago
braintat: I think it you that needed learn to write proper words as in a hole of hell.
Sonyoooo3 2 years ago
Just like relegion of muslim throwing a stone to a wall of hate?
Sonyoooo3 2 years ago
learn to spell you fucking retard! your talking shit!
braintat 2 years ago
das not spelling but grammer!!!
khryzalids 2 years ago
So it was feminin so dose it mean they kill fat person?
Or they believe just simply by casting their fatness to the mother earth godess will make them look hot?
Sonyoooo3 2 years ago
bullshit...total myth...another degrading video on the ancient greek culture...
orestisKal 2 years ago
The topics are endless, and hopefully I will continue. Thanks.
tokarski21 3 years ago
man u r great!! u can be one of the best history teachers or PFs,,,,,but what about persia and arians?
keep making videos about cool things,like wikings,indians,assasins or like this
samanrostamimonjezi 3 years ago
thanks
tokarski21 3 years ago
Interesting information... i'll be checking back for more videos from you :-)
cariainniss 3 years ago
this is the question what people should be asking them selves.
if you where on a desert island help was coming in 4-7 days
and your friend died
would you eat him??:
i sure would rofl
SoundOfAShark 3 years ago
There is no Minoan cannibalism or whatever else your sick mind might think. There are Nephelims though that demanded human flesh. i.e. Minautavros.
A little bit of history beyond what you have been furnished by your Masters would help. Read EL and Nephelim in Earth;s History. EL LAS the base of he EL.
fotiniaspida 3 years ago
Thanks for the interestng video!
Please keep making/posting these!
thanks,
Nick
(Denver CO)
carbonblack23 3 years ago
what I wanna know is, how did mankind ever think of cannibalism?..
xBlood564x 3 years ago
they got hungry. im hungry now look at that cat..
ger21kl 3 years ago
cat-a-balism
xD
xBlood564x 3 years ago
Do you want some? I have leftovers its bbq
ger21kl 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I love cats..maybe a chicken..or turkey
xBlood564x 3 years ago
Thanks. I hope to have a new episode up soon.
tokarski21 3 years ago
great great! continue doing this!!
hanssonj 3 years ago
Well the possibility of human sacrifice kind of pulls the rug out from under the feminist utopia meme.
Xtro2005 3 years ago
you are the best man, you should be hosting discovery or something. 5 stars!
diwagraffiti 3 years ago
Re Minoan sacrifice.
The legend of Theseus and the sacrifice of the Athenian maidens to the Minotaur alludes to what....? Interesting.
Re Feminine based religions, don't forget the Celts and people of Asia Minor with the Great Mother Goddess.
malx1975 3 years ago
Jews don't have human sacrfice? So why when God ordered Abraham to sacrfifice Isaac was Abraham au fait with what needed to be done? All societies had human sacrifice, it just died out at different stages.
malx1975 3 years ago
Abraham and Isaac are before Judaism. Ancestors of Jews, like everyone's ancestors, presumably had human sacrifice.
artbrosmpt 3 years ago
You're deranged. Jews don't have human sacrifice. Phoenicians and Carthaginians did, but there is no evidence of their presence in the New World. If you really work for the govt. in any capacity, keep your mouth shut because if they figure out you're insane, they might just fire you, or at least I hope so. Montezuma ruled the Aztecs at the time of the conquest; their cultural practices, including cannibalistic human sacrifice, surely predated his reign.
artbrosmpt 3 years ago
Im going to put this bullshit to rest once and for all. Human sacrifice goes back as far as recorded history. The reasons are as varied as the peoples who practiced this act of barbarism. Anyone who has any kind of sense would not tolerate it and would flee. There are only two kinds of sacrifice victims, the willing and the unwilling any and all other parameters are not needed. For the willing it was an honor for the unwilling it was a curse. For artbrosmpts' mother it was a little of both. rofl
AmericanDiaz 3 years ago
FUKIN WIERDOES OR WAT
xullff 3 years ago
So? Everyone has cannibal ancestors, especially if you are Mexican.
artbrosmpt 3 years ago
Fuck you cunt. Mexicans might have killed alot of shit but never ate it you fucking piece of shit, lol. Don't compare me to these fucking savage cunts.
AmericanDiaz 3 years ago
You've got to be kidding. The Aztecs sacrificed tens of thousands of people and sometimes ate them. And they weren't the only cannibals in Mesoamerica. Don't be ashamed. They probably needed the protein. Their main animal was a hairless rat-dog. Anyway, prehistoric Mesoamerica was a hundred times more cannibalistic than prehistoric Crete, with that single proven incident.
artbrosmpt 3 years ago
Your mother needs the protein bitch! I have been to Mexico and been among the ruins and have studied the history from the first handers not the rewriters of history. But since you are so into cannibal references you can start by eating my dick since you obviously are a whiteboy faggot, lol. Just because you are a barbarian like your ancestors doesnt mean that Mexicans are. Montezuma learned sacrificial sun worship from a very ancient sect of cultists that lived in what is now New Mexico.
AmericanDiaz 3 years ago
Before Montezuma, human sacrifice was unheard of in the Americas. The ancient Phoenician serpent cult spread all through North and South America, those guys got around big time. The white barbarians taught the indigenous human sacrifice just like the Jews still practice today. It is recorded in The Library of Congress where I happen to work you dicksmoker. Montezuma and other leaders used the sacrifice bullshit to instill fear into their enemy tribes, it's casically mesoamerica gone ghetto, haha
AmericanDiaz 3 years ago
wow..nice video..
lovelylolita11 3 years ago
HEBREW IS GREEK by Joseph Yahuda
zigsauer 3 years ago
Minoans where Greek.. Their entire religion is based on Greek religion and also there are many stories the Greeks where saying about Minoans like King Minoa,TALOS (zeus's gift), Europa (zeus's lover), amalthia (zeus's goat :), Minotaur and the athenian Theseus.
SteliosRulez 3 years ago
wrong.
Colee7 3 years ago
This, along with all your other videos are great! good job.
ghostjim89 3 years ago
Thanks.
tokarski21 3 years ago
dude great video!! loved it!
jakeswims 3 years ago
Thank you.
tokarski21 3 years ago
This is BS. So the Minoans are not Greek now? , your funny man.
Greeker123 3 years ago
Nai, kurie. The Minoans were probably not Greek. I am Greek; it's not a point of offense. I still believe they are our ancestors, as they most likely intermarried with the early Greeks; the result was a blend of culture and language, that became us. And the later Minoans (by the time of Linear B) were ruled by Greek families, as Linear B is Proto-Greek.
Kefalokratos 3 years ago
yes yes, the later minoans were ruled by greek families...WTF? I should not have to argue this with another greek...or are you really? Go open some books man, and not anti greek propaganda books. There is no fucking evidence at all to suggest they WERENT greek, everything points to the opposite. greek language, greek religion, greek culture, greek everything. And since when are greeks a single race? are the islanders, mainlanders, and inhabitants of the mediterrannean PELASGI.
Greeker123 3 years ago
Excuse me, Pousti. I'm sorry if I offended you. I happen to study Ancient Greek and Latin in University, and my family is from Mani (I wouldn't be surprised if you don't even know where that is). Have you even read "The Decipherment of Linear B," by Chadwick? Now, how about you open a book, you stupid, hot-headed ignoramus, before telling others to. Katalavenete Ellenika? Ohi? I didn't think so.
Kefalokratos 3 years ago
Ok, you want to play rough? Akouse me tora malaka prodoti na mi sou gamiso to mouni tis manas sou. gia kapios pou spoudasi tin elliniki isotria sto panepistimio, eprepe na kseris piei inai i minoes. Alla tora pou to skeftome, bori ke nase ellinas, alle ke na mi kseris pou inai i kolotripida sou. Eisai ena ap aftous pou lene pirame ola apo tous egyptious ke allous barbarous, etsi pou sou to mathenoune i xeni. Stamata na diavasis eglezika ke germanika fairy tales, ke pare ena biblio elliniko.
Greeker123 3 years ago
Translation Plz?
oneeyedboxer 3 years ago
Read this book
HEBREW IS GREEK by Joseph Yahuda Oxford
get it via a torrent or emule
zigsauer 3 years ago
Deeply true, not all Greek words has an Indo-European etymology.
pier3800 2 years ago
Hey Thanks that was interesting. I'm interested in Linear A I suspect it is circular not linear.
vespacurry 3 years ago
Tokarski,
Minoans and cannibalism: not two terms I would have associated either
watching this, I recall Will Durant's stating in one of his histories that the Romans return to human sacrifice briefly when Hannibal is decimating their legions
and for me, I won't say that the Romans and the Minoans were more barbaric than we are, but this brings to my mind Thomas Hobbes' (I think Hobbes) quote (or paraphrase), "take away the thin veneer of civilization and and men become savages"
pup5 3 years ago
Your thoughts remind me of the book 'Lord of the Flies'.
tokarski21 3 years ago
THRE ARE NOT EVIDENCE that the Myceneans ever conquer the MINOANS!!!!The opposite, there are evidence that MINOANS,and MYCENEANS,AND CYCLADIANS were the same people, GREEKS!!!READ THE ANCIENT SCHOLARS and you will see!!!!THERE YOU CAN FIND THE TRUTH!!!
nixter888 3 years ago
Most of the ancient greek myths are allegoric. So u can't compare the myth of Minotaurus with cannibalism. In every part of the civilised world u may find cannibals nowadays. So. let's say that there are cases of 5 cannibals in USA, u can't really say that Americans are cannibals. Thus, the archaelogical findings that u suggest may have been just some cases of cannibalism in ancient Crete.
pythagoreios07 3 years ago
Yes. I agree. At most, it was a practice reserved for a select few in a ritualistic context. I didn't bring up the minotaur story in the video, but the later Greek culture may have had some some knowledge of the Minoan practice and incorporated it in an allegorical story. Or maybe not.
tokarski21 3 years ago
There is evidence of possible human sacrifice and evidence of cannibalism, nothing to do with the Bible at all. Also it's difficult to solve the Linear puzzle because they can't define a commonality, like a name which helped solve the Egyptians' hieroglyphs.
allhaileris23 3 years ago
There is always the back in the day syncretism of Ancient Greek culture and other ancient cultures .
If you are Khazarian no offence ment.
zigsauer 3 years ago
No offence taken.
tokarski21 3 years ago
CryptoCamel jew Propaganda
zigsauer 3 years ago
Sounds a little too fixated on some sad religious predjudices.
tokarski21 3 years ago
Where does any ancient Historian mention human sacrifice and canibalism by the minoans.
Its more likely the establishment spreads those propagandas just to accommodate the old testament.
zigsauer 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but the old testament has nothing to do with anything here.
tokarski21 3 years ago
Great Vid!!! five stars!
ysin98 3 years ago
Thanks.
tokarski21 3 years ago
I wonder why all the other scripts and hieroglyphics are translatable, but not linear A script. If it could be translated, that might shed some light on whether or not the Minoans engaged in human sacrifice.
Another video suggests that this was done when catastrophe and decline gripped their civilization - but that's also when the Myceneans conquered them.
I wonder if it's possible that the violent conquering "ravishers" aka Myceneans might have been responsible for the sacrifices.
asphodelmeadow 3 years ago
Good questions. My feeling is that the Minoans were practicing traditions that had been handed down from an earlier time. The Myceneans, I believe, were the authors of the minotaur mythology - and I think that was their take on the Minoan sacrifices. But who knows.
tokarski21 3 years ago
Linear A is not translated because there is not enough text to work with
artbrosmpt 3 years ago
HEBREW IS GREEK by Joseph Yahuda Oxford
here is the translation
Dionysus - Iacchus - Jahwe - Jehowa
zigsauer 3 years ago
For your information, the Minoan Culture was not the first civilization in Greece or Europe. The Cycladic was the first Civilization. Also you showed a Cycladic figure in the video. Please research your info before making or showing a video.
stellu2 3 years ago 2
I also showed a prehistoric fertility goddess. They were put in the video to show that prehistoric cultures 'sprang from feminine based ideals'. I didn't intend them to be associated as Minoan, but as forebarers to the Minoan culture. And I appologize to all Cycladians for not being aware of their civilization. I am looking it up now, and the history is very fascinating. Thank you for bringing it to my attention
tokarski21 3 years ago
You're right. The Mycenean culture on mainland Greece was related to the Minoans. It's the classical Greek culture that came after the Dorian and Ionians replaced the Myceneans that I was referring to. And legends do usually have some truth in them. The Minotaur story may reference some earlier historical events, and it is worth mentioning.
tokarski21 4 years ago
BS BS.. don't think Minoan Cannibalism are true.
I have watch many many vids, and so far no evidence shows that. Minoan are to believe to be loving civilizations and food bases on natural resource, they don't even eat beef like we do..lol
OuTRage99 4 years ago