LOST: The Source, the heart of the island, the glowing cave [6x15-Across the Sea]

[rainiaxe]

I hate seeing these replies... where should i start?

[TheSh3BY16]

What name of the movie ??

[hotmail11l]

@TheSh3BY16 movie ha!!! Go fuck yourself

[Sportygrl57]

I love you Kenton Duty.

[zaandarbrow]

GREAT EPISODE

[Damon242]

@Tigerlilly0777 lol why are you on a season 6 video then?

[Damon242]

@Tigerlilly0777 Why are you so sensitive?

Oh well, you've removed your comments - so I guess it doesn't matter.

[zaandarbrow]

what if they showed all of the flash backs first and played the series in order then it would have been crap

[smashbros4ever]

Just watched the entire series straight through. It's even better the second time (and without commercials or breaks!). However, instead of watching "Across the Sea" in its original spot, I watched it right after the Season 5 finale. Soooo much better. It really sets up the entire 6th season. this way. Also, it doesn't interrupt the climactic submarine event. I understand wanting to see LaX right away if you don't know the hydrogen bomb outcome, but otherwise this order is much better imho.

[crazytalkerman]

@smashbros4ever how can it be better the second time, knowing if they die any moment before, the purgatory crap and the ridicoulosu church scene would be exactly the same, none of the things they tried to accomplish was actually important, just solving their issues, something they did in season 1

[smashbros4ever]

@crazytalkerman Judging by your diction ("crap," "ridiculous"), I'm going to assume you aren't a fan of the show as a whole. To me, it is still a significant event when characters die; they don't get to experience what could have been long fulfilling lives, so the stakes are still there imho. And I was very happy with the church scene. The entire show was about letting go of your baggage: Charlie lets go of his self-hatred and drug addiction, Sawyer lets go of his hatred and vengefulness

[crazytalkerman]

@smashbros4ever that`s exactly my point, they solved their issues by season 3 or before, for example Sawyer, only after those 3 years in the 70s with Juliet his afterlife would be like it is finally going to be, before that, he and jack would be forever fighting for Kate`s love, if they all have died after those 3 years in the 70s the purgatory and church scene would play the same

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[crazytalkerman]

@smashbros4ever the main reasons for the numerous Sideways stories were simply (a) to set up for the closing of the finale, (b) to create misdirection, enough of a semblence of "real life" that no one would guess what the Sideways really was and (c) to fill time, because the structure of Lost requires a flash-something

[HorizontalShuffle]

@crazytalkerman Add to this the fact that the flashsidewways was connected to the island as it wouldnt exist without the survival of the island.

[smashbros4ever]

@crazytalkerman and we, the viewers, need to let go of this show and its fantastic characters. Death is the binding experience that we all share, and life is the universal baggage we all need to let go of. I thought it was beautiful. Agree to disagree I guess.

[tommylogik2]

@smashbros4ever Personally, I loved the end..and was moved by the resolution of the character arcs. But quite a few of my friends didnt like it at all by the end. So my point...much like you said was that it's a case of each to their own! Essentially, its whether you enjoyed the experience or not I think. I did personally..and I got enough answers to be content and move on

[Damon242]

@crazytalkerman oh of course, saving the world is never important...

[Lui123ist]

@crazytalkerman Well you know that you are going to die someday, but you still think that the things you do are important, and they is.

[josecarlosrestrepo]

Lost explained

[1mermaidbethany]

Am I the only one waiting for young Jacob to say " bay-bee" Lolz ( if u get the reference u win a cookie sticker )

[unclephil]

The light was nothing new. They've been hinting at it since the hatch. It's the electromagnetic energy duhhhh.

[9189erbear1195]

"it will have to be one of you"

and so it began

[itspeejay]

THEY CUM? CUM FROM WHERE?

[chshaw87]

gotta love the music in regards to the 'heart,well,light whatvr you wanna label it!proper grandious!

it's quite annoying the way they drop J-bombs nearly every scene kenton and mark are in. ok, fair doo's you don't wanna call him samuel, but ease up on the jacobs! call him kiddo,son,boy,man!

[AmericanActorRyan]

yeah kenton give me five

[LordofShadowsII]

That lady has a dark view of humanity.

[RisenAndLostFan]

There are people who do not understand the series. Many questions have not been elucidated because the viewer has come on it themselves. An example: The mother was the smoke monster, in MIB. In this episode, one age-old question has been solved, the skeletons in hell. Season 4 came from the answers.

[DjinnGuru]

Inconsistent bullshit. The illogic in the mother's reasoning is just flawless, because as we see she herself contradicted her explanations to all this, and Jacob (most of all) hugely contradicts his mother's whole message here with his future actions.

0% of the unknowns in previous seasons were explained, or even acknowledged for that matter, in season 6. I still love seasons 1 - 3, nonetheless. This show could have developed in so much more than what it did; the same goes for Heroes.

[Garp397]

why can't it be BOTH of them..one of the rules?..i mean jacob set up him and a #2 and so did hurley when he picked ben as his #2...

[RisenAndLostFan]

@Garp397 Your text is written comic, which means the 2, now I write sometimes complicated

[MovieMakerZT]

What ep is this?

[buffy21033]

@MovieMakerZT Across the Sea Episode 15 in season 6

[Garp397]

MIB seemed more willing...and jacob more warer...by the look of them

[MidnightSundowns]

Whilst I really did love Across the Sea, they totally should have brought it in WAY earlier... Like the fourth episode of the final season, and I did think their explanation of the Island was weak. No answer why the brothers can't harm one another, nothing about "why" the light is special (or even what it is). I was thoroughly disappointed with that.

[Damon242]

@MidnightSundowns The episode had to be later in the season though, otherwise MIB wouldn't be such a mystery, and wouldn't engage you as much on screen.

When you think about it, there really isn't a way they could have answered exactly how the rules work without making it extremely convoluted, and a little funky. So it's one of those things you just have to accept, and debate about whether they can or can't actually do what is ruled against them.

[Damon242]

@MidnightSundowns btw the light is meant to be perceived as the ultimate meeting between science and faith-----something that neither can explain, but try to (i.e mother's explanation and widmore's explanation).

It is basically electromagnetism though. The clues are all there. Fundamentally, electromagnetism is responsible for light, and almost everything in the universe--remove it, and things couldn't exist. It's a part of science that isn't certain, just what electromagnetism is and can do.

[Damon242]

@MidnightSundowns Other clues involve the obvious metal attraction, Elloise's explanation about the island containing the largest pocket of electromagnetism, Widmore specifically commenting on Desmond's resistance to electromagnetism, Dharma wanting to tap into a massive pocket of electromagnetism, etc.

[Damon242]

@MidnightSundowns Now, if this electromagnetic pocket is connected to every other pocket in the world (which is what Elloise explains at the lampost), then if it is removed, so are all those pockets. And if the island crumbles, so does everything.

Which fits with the idea of the absence of electromagnetism in the universe, everything would be unable to exist.

Sounds godly doesn't it? As aforementioned; the meeting between science and faith.

[MidnightSundowns]

@Damon242 Great rebuttals to my comment (not being sarcastic, they really were :) ) however as a LOST fan, I'd have to retort that I really DO feel they could have fully explained things, that the Source COULD have been given a better endeavor than "it's a light and it's everywhere". I remember watching that episode with my girlfriend and turning to her thinking, "seriously? They're shooting for this?"

[Damon242]

@MidnightSundownsThat's why I was happy to have the modern-day explanation that it was electromagnetism. So there was a faith-based explanation, and a science-based explanation.

That's one of the main reasons why I was content with where the episode was placed, because both 'What they Died For' and 'The End' add to the subject of the light.

[MidnightSundowns]

@Damon242 Also (I mean this kindly, not trying to stir anything) regarding Mother... Seriously I, totally from a non-write standpoint, have personally thought of the "how" and "why" Mother made the boys not be able to harm each other. And honestly I think there could have been totally legit reasons for why they couldn't and not just a side-step non-explanation. I honestly was disappointed that the entire reason they couldn't "fight" each other came down to "mama said so".

[Damon242]

@MidnightSundowns Well, logically they must have tried to kill one another. Or just MIB.

After watching True Blood, I tend to think that, just like the vampires and their rule of going in human houses, they literally couldn't resist the rule.

We could possibly use Richard as an example. He couldn't kill himself, because he had been touched by Jacob. The boys had been touched by mother (that sounds a bit strange).

The episode was definitely mythology, because like any myth everything's vague.

[Damon242]

@MidnightSundowns I agree that in some form they could have explained it, or at least alluded to it (I think the closest we get is 'the touch'--Richard touched by Jacob, the boys touched by mother the moment she tells them about this rule). They must have had a very good reason why they didn't, and it's maybe just to share the boy's experience with the audience--that mother was the greatest mystery.

I did sympathize with the writers. Writing the most scrutinized tv season ever, no pressure.

[MidnightSundowns]

@Damon242 Well, to be totally fair Darlton DID do it to themselves (and the other writers), LOST basically kept getting more and more mysterious rather than "here is a mystery" [...] "here is the answer". I personally didn't like the faith-based answers, maybe that's cause I'm a materialist/skeptic, I found them rather petulant, a bit hubris and appealing to pity. Plus, when the show was running I spoke personally with my Physics professors who highly doubted the physics of the electromagnetism.

[Damon242]

@MidnightSundowns What exactly did those professors say about the electromagnetism? And what exactly was it that you asked them?

[MidnightSundowns]

@Damon242 I like to say it this way. Honestly (now that the story has concluded) had I been a writer/producer, and knew that "the Source" was basically the ultimate answer to LOST I would have inserted just a meager few scenes with either Mother or Jacob explaining to someone when asked "what is it?" with something like, "I don't know, as everyone is greedy about it. We humans haven't reached that point where we can understand it together, and until then I protect it and hope for the best".

[Damon242]

@MidnightSundowns hmm..... that would obviously have to be revamped just to sound like dialogue that Mother or Jacob would use, but it could've worked.

The show tended to take the route of 'figure it out for yourself' rather than the over-used phrase 'spoon-feed'. It was both a good and bad thing, as it worked for the audience in the long run, but for certain things, such as the light, it didn't.

[MidnightSundowns]

@Damon242 I put it this way, "LOST - great story, disappointing ending" - which... In a way, sort of makes people just not want to invest over 120 hours into it.

The professor I spoke with just took issues with the levels of electromagnetism (he wasn't a fan of the show and I just showed him a lot of LOSTpedia) and what not. He thought the idea of the island moving based on the Casimir effect (he tried explaining it to me but it's hard!) was very hokey and totally false.

[Damon242]

@MidnightSundowns I wouldn't put the show the way you did. I would rather put it this way, "LOST - great story, divisive ending".

Ultimately, there are two groups; you love or you hate 'the end'.

I enjoyed it much more than you obviously did. So it's opinion based.

Rather than infringe on one's own experience by telling them it's a disappointing ending, stating it's divisive ultimately leads them to make their own decision about it.

[Damon242]

@MidnightSundowns lol it's ok, I know what the casimir effect is. I did some physics courses in university.

But all of what they did, including the casimir itself, is all theory and pseudo-science. I hope he kept that in mind. The show is fiction, so any leaps of reality it chooses to make, such as the levels of electromagnetism, is permitted. As I noticed with a lot of my friends during the years, some take the show a little too literally.

[RisenAndLostFan]

@Damon242 ...some expert you are!!

[Damon242]

@RisenAndLostFan lol I mainly repeat what has already been said. So I can't say that I can take credit for anything else other than being an attentive viewe..

I'm just glad the show was enjoyed. There are few exceptions, but often tv in general doesn't break out and showcase heavily serialized, but also quality, shows.

I'm hoping for another to take its place, but at the moment LOST's departure has left a large gap.

Currently, Fringe is my pick to take its place. I'm hoping that it stays.

[CosmicUndeadElf]

@Damon242 Apparently electromagnetism can record electrical signals in living things, which would explain Desmond's experiences with time travel and such. Despite the vague explanations for how and why the things happen, this special energy controls everything in the world, even people's fate, that's how powerful it is. Also I think it works similar to "the force" in Star Wars, the island holds the balance between light and dark energy, Smokey is made of dark electromagnetism.

[Lui123ist]

@Damon242 Well, that is not how it workes. The light is electromagnetism but it would not destroy the world, it would destroy all goodness in the world.

[Damon242]

@Lui123ist No, you're wrong. According to the mother, that is how it works (she represents the faith interpretation), whereas according to characters such as Eloise and Widmore it would do something different (the science interpretation).

Reference Eloise's dialogue during the Lampost scene in season 5's '316'.

Electromagnetism isn't responsible for the "goodness in the world", it and other fundamental elements are responsible for keeping the universe together.

[Damon242]

@Damon242 'forces' i mean, not 'elements'

[Lui123ist]

@Damon242 Go read LOST The Encyclopedia and then you will know that I was right.

There is a page named "The island" And the first thing they explain is that the light represents all of human godness. That is why she is saying that people always want more of the light. That is also what she explains in "Across the sea" .

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If you said that electromagnetism was responsible for everything in the universe, then it is also responsible for goodness.

[Damon242]

@Lui123ist Lost encyclopedia is a compilation of a bunch of interpreations by a group of audience members. It is only as credible as any other who uses evidence from the show, and is not an official source.

And don't twist my words, I did not say that "electromagnetism is responsible for everything in the universe", I said that it is "responsible for keeping the universe together". That's science.

[Lui123ist]

@Damon242 You know what, you have a meaning and i have a meaning. It´s not something to fight about.

[Damon242]

@Lui123ist Fair enough. Clearly the show succeeded in what it was trying to do here in the end, and lead us to draw our own conclusions.

[HorizontalShuffle]

@Lui123ist It would also destroy the world.

[Lui123ist]

@MidnightSundowns I can help you!! The light represents all of human goodness, but people always want more happiness and goodness. These two things are down in the light, so if humans find it they could put it out, and then there would no longer be any good thing left in the world, no feelings, nothing.

[OneGaurdian]

"It goes out everywhere." I'm annoyed that they took it's importance that far. Having everything depend on a light in a cave.

[Damon242]

@OneGaurdian

Light=electromagnetism. Electromagnetism is responsible for almost everything in the universe, and it is fundamentally responsible for the production of light.

According to Elloise, the island contains the largest pocket of electromagnetism in the world, and that the pocket is connected to every other pocket around the world.

When the light went out the island began to crumble. If this pocket is connected to every other, then it going out would cause everything to crumble.

[Damon242]

@OneGaurdianEverything in our universe depends on the existence of electromagnetism. Science hasn't exactly discovered what electromagnetism is, but have ruled that it is fundamental.

What mother says is basically the faith side of it, she's obviously no scientist. So it works much better when Widmore explains it, and how Desmond fits into the picture. There's the scientific explanation.

Unfortunately, to get the whole explanation requires some re-watch and research. But it's gotten afterwards.

[Mandragara]

2000th view

[prezi93]

@Mandragara nice

[curryshop6]

this episode was awesome, but why they brought in somthing very big into the show so late, well thats a big mystery to me

[quietearthMT]

@curryshop6

I tend to agree, the episode itself was good but it's placement right at the end of the season was not a good choice. People were looking for answers at that point and this episode was more mystery.

Airing it early in season 6 would have been better because they could have explored the "light" more throughout the season.

[Damon242]

@quietearthMT but then that would weaken the season as a whole, because there would be no wonder about MIB, his plan, the actual going's on, etc

It would damage the intrigue of the season, so unfortunately it needed to be later in the season, and when you look at the episode structure, there really wasn't anywhere it could be chucked in that wouldn't interfere--so given that the light plays so centrally in the finale, where it was ultimately is the only place it could fairly go.

[Rude666]

@curryshop6 I thinks its obvious why we found about this so late is because THIS is the answer to the island.

[Dayoldsushy]

@curryshop6

Yeah, introducing that the island had some magical force behind it it in season 1 was way too late. Not to mention introducing the electromagnetism in season 2! And then introducing, and explaining some of it's properties in the orchid. And having half of season 5 center on the time flashes caused by the light. Way too late!

In short, it's not an introduction, it's an answer. That's what all of that was.

[zaandarbrow]

@curryshop6

because back then people just wanted a reality answer which is stupid LOL

[HorizontalShuffle]

@curryshop6 Because if they had done this earlier people would have guessed more things like "What is the island" etc.

[HorizontalShuffle]

@curryshop6 They put it in so late because they didnt want to give away too much about the mythology too soon.

[will9777]

Listen to 0:19-0:23 Sounds so wrong. Laughd so hard at it on the night.

Boy In Black: They CUM!?, cum from where?

Crazy Old Woman: From their penis hunny

Boy In Black: Why would they hurt us?

Crazy Old Woman: Stop asking fucking questions Jacob!

Boy In Black: Mommy can I just hurt him?

Crazy Old Woman: I made it so you can never hurt each other! -srokes his head, winking licks lips-

[randye100]

I agree Damon, this episode was fantastic and so well done. Lots of people hated it but are coming around and after the series is over I think people will figure out just how awsome Across the Sea was!

[RisenAndLostFan]

@randye100 I agree to you

[Lui123ist]

@randye100 There is something I dont understand. Why dos she say that if the light goes out here it goes out everywhere, but in the finale it dosen´t.

I think that it´s because she went down into the light and became a smoke monster, and she nows that if the light goes out she will be able to leave and make the world a bad place.

That´s my theory:)

What is yours?

[HorizontalShuffle]

@Lui123ist When she says "Light" She dosent literally mean everything will become dark, she means light as a metaphor for life, and rebirth. When the light(The portal to the afterlife) was off the island and eventually the earth would have been destroyed, killing everyone but with the portal closed the dead would go to Hell instead, as Hurley stated at the end of "Ab Aeterno".

[Lui123ist]

@HorizontalShuffle I know, but the light represents the goodness in every man.

That´s why she says that the light is inside of every man.

[HorizontalShuffle]

@Lui123ist The light = Life, If the light had not been restored, no more life. only death.

[Lui123ist]

@HorizontalShuffle Well if the earth would have been destroyed the man in black could not go back and spreed his evil.

The light represented all of human goodness, and if the light went out evil would win.

[HorizontalShuffle]

@Lui123ist The man in black didnt know what would happen, he just wanted off the island, When the light went off notice the "Darkness" coming from the source? This darkness would have spread, also from the other connecting pockets ie Tuisia, LA etc. Its a metaphor for "Hell on earth".

[Lui123ist]

@HorizontalShuffle Oh, so it would not destroy the earth, it would just make it a living hell or what??

[Damon242]

@Lui123ist you don't get to see what is happening off of the island while the island itself is sinking into the ocean. It's up for interpretation what is happening, but there is strong evidence to suggest that what is happening to the island is happening everywhere around the world.

[Lui123ist]

@Damon242 Ok, but go read LOST encyclopedia anyway.

They explain flat out that the light represents goodness. If the world ended when the light was out, then Flocke would had said that he was going to destroy the world. He only said that he was going to destroy the island.

If the world ended the man in black could not spread his evil in it, and then there was nothing to go back to.

[Damon242]

@Lui123ist "Flocke would had said that he was going to destroy the world"

Flocke, like everyone else, does not know what is happening. He is working off the idea of what his "mother" told him about the light being the heart of the island.

The original fear was that the man would get off the island, which he could only do if the candidates were all dead. The fear of him "spread[ing] his evil" was the fear of him spreading the sickness (heavily implied in season 6's 'The Package').

[Damon242]

@Lui123ist Eloise explains that all pockets of electromagnetism around the world link to the island, and just like mother said "if [it] goes out here, it goes out everywhere". If removing the light from the island causes the island to come apart, then logically the same happens to the rest of the world.

The idea is that the light was the meeting point between science and faith, and that its removal directly paralleled the not pressing the button in season 2.

[Damon242]

the more I watch this the more epic it becomes.

The 'Light' is existential for both the myth and science of LOST.

Can't wait to see Desmond become involved with the story.