Health care was cheaper when the government was less involved in the health care system. In Santa Monica hospital in 1952 it would have cost $244(in todays dollars) to have a baby without all of this government interference in the health care market.
People always think having the government force everyone to have health insurance means they will get access to health care, the NHS in britain recently refused care for someone who "looked" like a drug junkie but was actually part of a punk band. Look him up, his name was Peter Williamson and he died of swine flu because NHS refused care when he asked for it. He's not the only one that has been refused care before, but he is the most recent one.
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euthanasia is wrong but let me tell u something health care is necessary do not spread poision u know nothing about universal health care u are lying how shame on u. man u are weaken ur country. teap party should be illegal. all leaders arrested no warrents no bail. stop the insurrection. u bastards should be thrown in jail. god help ur country if one tea party is allowed to run & wins seat god help ur country. read tommy douglas look around europe canada britian have un. system it works
@Atlantaminuteman go read a dictionary u dont know what u are saying same arugement was said in my country when universal health care came in tommy douglas introduceded it in his province then in68 our prime mininister made it national it works i hope u are happy u are weaken ur country tea party should be made illegal all members thrown in jail no warrents no bail. stop the insurrection. we believe to save a democracy one must be suspended afterwards when things are better civil allowed again
1) Toward the end of the bill those who need medical care are termed CONSUMERS?
2) Are you a consumer or a human life?
3) Thomas Perrelli was appt by Obama as an attorney general under Obama...he's a lawyer that fought to get Terri Schiavo starved and dehydrated to death!
truc, wow what can i say. profits are pure evil? Tell that to hollywood. government sworn to protect americans? yes, from foriegn threats, how can government protect us from goernment? Say, for argument" health care is a right." that does not make it free, is food a right? housing a right? cars a right? they are not free, my taxes should not by you food, a house, a car, or your health care. that is pure socialist tyranny.
@steamrollinpimps dont make me laugh pls basil fawlty. health is expensive no matter how u look it it wont get cheaper if u take it off of the bill that is simple math. the best is a govt. the govt pays the drs. u pay for drugs but drs are paid what is wrong with that those who cant get insurance are turned away. would u denie jesus if he came to u for no money well would u
Ah yes, "SHALL INCLUDE".....Folks, that means this will be LAW!
I don't give a RATS ASS whether they are advocating euthanasia or not...I don't want some government BUREAUCRAT discussing "end of life" decisions with MY PARENTS or MYSELF!
This man expressed how sometimes families "feel guilty" when confronted with these issues.
In other words, they intend to take that guilt away and put the STATE in charge of counseling the OLD people to save society money by getting out of the way!
Uh, no. There is no euthanasia in the bill. There are OPTIONAL counselling which talk about living wills in such, which are legal now, and are not euthanasia. But that's not what Glenn Beck told you, right?
Where at in the bill does it say a "government bureaucrat" will be discussing end of life issues? Please give the text. The bill makes sure that doctors are paid for such counseling.
So, infants are not human. And infanticide isn't murder? Hmmm, at what age or event do children get full human being status?
Perhaps it is not Emanuel, but still the President's Science & Technology Advisor wrote these things. Yes, technically he does not advocate aborting 2-year olds, but he does seem quite obviously to defend the right to do so!
He is a liar. Death consultations are MANDATORY every 5 years. Read the bill for yourselves you dumbasses. Then come on here and make a statement that is not a dumbDem talking point.
Amen. Ya know I am a simple stay at home mom YET I have been reading this bill. SO if I can do this why can't our elected do it. The issue that this man is talking about is LACK OF END OF LIFE CARE.
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this is NOT about euthanasia, for christ sake. More right wing scare tactics. Have you "knowledgeable" people read the bill? Keep drinking the koolaid...it only makes you dumber....
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Don't bother.
I've been watching a few of these town halls and these people are beyond help. I saw one of these where a guy in the audience actually said that Rahm Emanuel's brother advocates aborting 2 year olds, and killing disabled people & the elderly. And then he asked if ACORN were the ones who were going to be advising Seniors on how to end their lives. He was dead serious. Of course he was reading all this nonsense from some email he got.
This is simple horrible and I have tried to tell people this would come before he was elected. We are all going to be old one day if we are lucky enough to make it that long here. We deserve to be taken care of when we are older. Our parents, grandparents, anyone, deserves and needs health care! It makes me so angry and sad. This administration is dangerous and they are weeding us out just like the Nazis did, just quieter and slower.
This is entire section of the bill is simply an amendment to the Social Security Act. All it says is medicare will now cover end of life planning for those interested.
I'm sorry, but if someone is already on medicare then it's obvious they don't care too much about the government staying out of their health care.
The irony of this thing is I keep seeing seniors on medicare at these meetings decrying government run healthcare in 1 breath and insisting nobody touch their medicare in the other.
The government is sworn to protect Americans. Insurance companies protect their profits. You pay taxes for your local fire department. You might never use their service but your neighbor might to save their home. What's more important? Your home or your body?
And you believe that is always on their minds, guiding everything they do? How about Nancy Pelosi & Diane Feinstein & their husbands businesses they swing legislation towards? How about Ted Kennedy telling us all to move toward renewable energy but preventing wind farms being build off the MA coastline because they interfere with his view?
"Your home or your body?"
Good point but your health doesn't affect your neighbors. Your burning house will.
It does not matter if it is on their minds all the time. It's a fact that the government is the only entity that is sworn to protect Americans. No one can deny that because that is a fact. My health does affect my neighbors. Whether is a contagious disease like TB or using emergency rooms for primary care that makes our cost rise. People that go bankrupt due to medical bill, causing them to lose their homes and having foreclosures in the neighborhood that decreases the value of my home etc....
Point is that it affects us all directly or indirectly. You can't deny that fact or prove otherwise. Health care is a moral issue and people from both sides should be for this. There is no reason why people should be denied care or health insurance in our country by insurance companies that dont want to pay so they can maximize their profits. Thats pure evil.
Name calling is immature. Don't you think? It doesn't make you look any smarter.
Curious that the bill NEVER mentions the family, NEVER mentions a Healthcare Directive and doesnt even suggest a conversation.
If the purpose was to simply update a Healthcare Directive that could easily be stated in the first sentence! Rep. Ellison fully understands that the practitioner, a counselor paid by the government, job is to reduce health care costs, not encourage patient to choose care?
Euthanasia? It is disingenuous to overlook the very real potential for abuse.
It absolutely DOES mention directives. It absolutely DOES mention the family. And the practitioner is spelled out in the legislation as being either their physician or their nurse. Not to mention "consultation" (the term used in the bill) and "conversation" are synonymous terms.
Have you even bothered to read the legislation? Obviously not. It's easily available on the internet. THOMAS at the Library of Congress allows you to read the entire thing.
Yes, exactly. Sounds nice but will it come down to, well, you can choose how you die we just refuse to cover potential life saving drugs/techniques even if it adds years...case closed.
Its about cutting costs. Euthanasia is cheaper, and is being pushed in england, along with denial of care to all kinds of chronic patients.
There has been so much of this double talk by politicians its just like the "immigration reform" boondoggle all over again.
It is not Goverments role to decide if we live or die, the person or the family decides. It is not there job to write are wills, or even help with that. We are not babies and need a Nanny. ENOUGH! Get out of our lives!! Leave our liberties alone!
Foolish! What this representative is missing, or gives a perception of not disclosing, is in that part of bill there is no mention of care TREATING the disease for the elderly. The bill offers consultation (talk talk talk), a hotline for more talk, and "palliative care" . Which means give the patient morphine/painkillers but no REMEDY for disease. It appears Obamacare offers talking & painkillers to eldery, not treatment for whatever disease ails them. Pure "euthaniasia" just slowly.
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kidoeloko 2 months ago
Health care was cheaper when the government was less involved in the health care system. In Santa Monica hospital in 1952 it would have cost $244(in todays dollars) to have a baby without all of this government interference in the health care market.
crystalmethod1000 10 months ago
People always think having the government force everyone to have health insurance means they will get access to health care, the NHS in britain recently refused care for someone who "looked" like a drug junkie but was actually part of a punk band. Look him up, his name was Peter Williamson and he died of swine flu because NHS refused care when he asked for it. He's not the only one that has been refused care before, but he is the most recent one.
crystalmethod1000 10 months ago
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tigersforchrist 10 months ago
euthanasia is wrong but let me tell u something health care is necessary do not spread poision u know nothing about universal health care u are lying how shame on u. man u are weaken ur country. teap party should be illegal. all leaders arrested no warrents no bail. stop the insurrection. u bastards should be thrown in jail. god help ur country if one tea party is allowed to run & wins seat god help ur country. read tommy douglas look around europe canada britian have un. system it works
thenovascotia20 1 year ago
mmm hmmmm .ha ha ha hmmm mmm hmmm love the COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST scum lady in the background.
Atlantaminuteman 1 year ago
@Atlantaminuteman go read a dictionary u dont know what u are saying same arugement was said in my country when universal health care came in tommy douglas introduceded it in his province then in68 our prime mininister made it national it works i hope u are happy u are weaken ur country tea party should be made illegal all members thrown in jail no warrents no bail. stop the insurrection. we believe to save a democracy one must be suspended afterwards when things are better civil allowed again
thenovascotia20 1 year ago
Has anyone figured out that there is no reform? This is why we are losing the country ! A bunch of idiots like the fool reading little parts !
Atlantaminuteman 1 year ago
1) Toward the end of the bill those who need medical care are termed CONSUMERS?
2) Are you a consumer or a human life?
3) Thomas Perrelli was appt by Obama as an attorney general under Obama...he's a lawyer that fought to get Terri Schiavo starved and dehydrated to death!
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michiganrag 2 years ago
Keith Ellison does not dress appropriately for a Congressman.
forwardmover 2 years ago
truc, wow what can i say. profits are pure evil? Tell that to hollywood. government sworn to protect americans? yes, from foriegn threats, how can government protect us from goernment? Say, for argument" health care is a right." that does not make it free, is food a right? housing a right? cars a right? they are not free, my taxes should not by you food, a house, a car, or your health care. that is pure socialist tyranny.
steamrollinpimps 2 years ago
@steamrollinpimps dont make me laugh pls basil fawlty. health is expensive no matter how u look it it wont get cheaper if u take it off of the bill that is simple math. the best is a govt. the govt pays the drs. u pay for drugs but drs are paid what is wrong with that those who cant get insurance are turned away. would u denie jesus if he came to u for no money well would u
thenovascotia20 1 year ago
What a fool.
If Obama got uncut air time he'd sound the same. Glad people are waking up.
3244wpl 2 years ago 2
Ah yes, "SHALL INCLUDE".....Folks, that means this will be LAW!
I don't give a RATS ASS whether they are advocating euthanasia or not...I don't want some government BUREAUCRAT discussing "end of life" decisions with MY PARENTS or MYSELF!
This man expressed how sometimes families "feel guilty" when confronted with these issues.
In other words, they intend to take that guilt away and put the STATE in charge of counseling the OLD people to save society money by getting out of the way!
gareyt17 2 years ago
Uh, no. There is no euthanasia in the bill. There are OPTIONAL counselling which talk about living wills in such, which are legal now, and are not euthanasia. But that's not what Glenn Beck told you, right?
Dacadvid 2 years ago
Where at in the bill does it say a "government bureaucrat" will be discussing end of life issues? Please give the text. The bill makes sure that doctors are paid for such counseling.
whirlwindbliss 2 years ago
So, infants are not human. And infanticide isn't murder? Hmmm, at what age or event do children get full human being status?
Perhaps it is not Emanuel, but still the President's Science & Technology Advisor wrote these things. Yes, technically he does not advocate aborting 2-year olds, but he does seem quite obviously to defend the right to do so!
nwipling 2 years ago
He is a liar. Death consultations are MANDATORY every 5 years. Read the bill for yourselves you dumbasses. Then come on here and make a statement that is not a dumbDem talking point.
TheGrandmaJudi 2 years ago
Amen. Ya know I am a simple stay at home mom YET I have been reading this bill. SO if I can do this why can't our elected do it. The issue that this man is talking about is LACK OF END OF LIFE CARE.
CourtneysAuntSara 2 years ago
You are a liar. There is NO WHERE where it states that the consultations are mandatory. So, you should read the bill. It's section 1233.
iliveinletters 2 years ago
budgeted anything means money first then all others things considered
humancomputerthinker 2 years ago
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this is NOT about euthanasia, for christ sake. More right wing scare tactics. Have you "knowledgeable" people read the bill? Keep drinking the koolaid...it only makes you dumber....
cpoorker 2 years ago
Keith Ellison said he was addressing the topic of Euthanasia so I wouldn't say this is a right wing scare tactic.
What do you even mean by right wing scare tactic. I think it was a pretty good "scare tactic" when Obama says:
"shut up and pass this healthcare bill immediately or we will all die and the crisis will get worse if you take 3 days to read the bill"
soicuw 2 years ago
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Don't bother.
I've been watching a few of these town halls and these people are beyond help. I saw one of these where a guy in the audience actually said that Rahm Emanuel's brother advocates aborting 2 year olds, and killing disabled people & the elderly. And then he asked if ACORN were the ones who were going to be advising Seniors on how to end their lives. He was dead serious. Of course he was reading all this nonsense from some email he got.
These people are willfully ignorant.
iliveinletters 2 years ago
@cpoorker Looks like you are the one drinking the Kool-Aid. poorker
Atlantaminuteman 1 year ago
This is simple horrible and I have tried to tell people this would come before he was elected. We are all going to be old one day if we are lucky enough to make it that long here. We deserve to be taken care of when we are older. Our parents, grandparents, anyone, deserves and needs health care! It makes me so angry and sad. This administration is dangerous and they are weeding us out just like the Nazis did, just quieter and slower.
BabyTibbs 2 years ago
This is entire section of the bill is simply an amendment to the Social Security Act. All it says is medicare will now cover end of life planning for those interested.
I'm sorry, but if someone is already on medicare then it's obvious they don't care too much about the government staying out of their health care.
The irony of this thing is I keep seeing seniors on medicare at these meetings decrying government run healthcare in 1 breath and insisting nobody touch their medicare in the other.
iliveinletters 2 years ago
"This is not the purpose of the Federal Government. This is not their job!"
--You can say that to Liberals and the ignorant (not much difference) until you're blue in the face, and they will not understand.
But thanks for trying!
IntellectualAddict 2 years ago 2
The government is sworn to protect Americans. Insurance companies protect their profits. You pay taxes for your local fire department. You might never use their service but your neighbor might to save their home. What's more important? Your home or your body?
truc111 2 years ago
"The government is sworn to protect Americans"
And you believe that is always on their minds, guiding everything they do? How about Nancy Pelosi & Diane Feinstein & their husbands businesses they swing legislation towards? How about Ted Kennedy telling us all to move toward renewable energy but preventing wind farms being build off the MA coastline because they interfere with his view?
"Your home or your body?"
Good point but your health doesn't affect your neighbors. Your burning house will.
IntellectualAddict 2 years ago
It does not matter if it is on their minds all the time. It's a fact that the government is the only entity that is sworn to protect Americans. No one can deny that because that is a fact. My health does affect my neighbors. Whether is a contagious disease like TB or using emergency rooms for primary care that makes our cost rise. People that go bankrupt due to medical bill, causing them to lose their homes and having foreclosures in the neighborhood that decreases the value of my home etc....
truc111 2 years ago
"sworn to protect Americans"
Yes, from enemies of the state, and from diseases like the plague which affect the security of the nation.
"foreclosures in the neighborhood that decreases the value of my home"
Those are INDIRECT effects, moron. Housefires are DIRECT effects.
IntellectualAddict 2 years ago
Point is that it affects us all directly or indirectly. You can't deny that fact or prove otherwise. Health care is a moral issue and people from both sides should be for this. There is no reason why people should be denied care or health insurance in our country by insurance companies that dont want to pay so they can maximize their profits. Thats pure evil.
Name calling is immature. Don't you think? It doesn't make you look any smarter.
truc111 2 years ago
Curious that the bill NEVER mentions the family, NEVER mentions a Healthcare Directive and doesnt even suggest a conversation.
If the purpose was to simply update a Healthcare Directive that could easily be stated in the first sentence! Rep. Ellison fully understands that the practitioner, a counselor paid by the government, job is to reduce health care costs, not encourage patient to choose care?
Euthanasia? It is disingenuous to overlook the very real potential for abuse.
buddyw99 2 years ago
It absolutely DOES mention directives. It absolutely DOES mention the family. And the practitioner is spelled out in the legislation as being either their physician or their nurse. Not to mention "consultation" (the term used in the bill) and "conversation" are synonymous terms.
Have you even bothered to read the legislation? Obviously not. It's easily available on the internet. THOMAS at the Library of Congress allows you to read the entire thing.
iliveinletters 2 years ago
This is no business of the federal government. Get these bastards the hell out of office.
truthfreedom4all 2 years ago 5
Euthanasia is what all politicians deserve, those politicians who support this crap!
fyremonte 2 years ago 4
Keith Ellison= politically, please DO NOT RESUSCITATE !!!!
wastedbandwidth 2 years ago 3
ObamaCare will be as poorly managed as the VA - where you go in for a colonoscopy and come out with AIDS.
wangootangoo 2 years ago 4
WHAT THE?
blu33y3brat 2 years ago
Yes, exactly. Sounds nice but will it come down to, well, you can choose how you die we just refuse to cover potential life saving drugs/techniques even if it adds years...case closed.
Its about cutting costs. Euthanasia is cheaper, and is being pushed in england, along with denial of care to all kinds of chronic patients.
There has been so much of this double talk by politicians its just like the "immigration reform" boondoggle all over again.
vllmer 2 years ago
This is the kind of man that is going to make decisions on my 91 year old mother's health. Dear God what have we come to?
alphashed 2 years ago
It is not Goverments role to decide if we live or die, the person or the family decides. It is not there job to write are wills, or even help with that. We are not babies and need a Nanny. ENOUGH! Get out of our lives!! Leave our liberties alone!
steamrollinpimps 2 years ago 4
Well said Steam!
fyremonte 2 years ago
Foolish! What this representative is missing, or gives a perception of not disclosing, is in that part of bill there is no mention of care TREATING the disease for the elderly. The bill offers consultation (talk talk talk), a hotline for more talk, and "palliative care" . Which means give the patient morphine/painkillers but no REMEDY for disease. It appears Obamacare offers talking & painkillers to eldery, not treatment for whatever disease ails them. Pure "euthaniasia" just slowly.
tbart8 2 years ago
this joker doesn't even know how to speak proper english and he gets elected? maaaaaaaaan that just says something about the voters.
vutEwa 2 years ago
Thank so much for posting this! There is so much disinformation out there that has to be set straight. Your efforts are appreciated.
Boomer1949 2 years ago 2
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lonhosford 2 years ago