The barbarians are at the gates, and while rome burns Nero fiddles. Don't vote. Don't shop. Turn everything off. Support your neighbour. Love your enemy.
Jeremy Scahill ur stretching with this quick reaction force shit man. I love ur books and articles but u can take any prison in america & get the same story about guys all in black with masks that are used for cell extractions or other problems so ur stretching here. there are plent of real stories out there especially with this war were in dont sell out
@XenaStrikes, my old friend, I am so happy to have come across you again. Remember when we used to fight the American puppeteers together? I still have those saved messages from you speaking so passionately, about fighting injustice & corruption, & your fantasies of you & I cuddling , touching, exploring each others bodies. You still are the only man for me. And I think deep down (you know where..) I am the only man for you! Love you..
None of these prisoners have been charged with anything and protestors have been labelled as terrorists. Put two and two together and when the tanks come down our streets you might think different.
@vinylsyrinx do u think GITMO is the first black prison america has had? do u think we are the only country that has them? what other black prisons are u against? or are u just against GITMO because all u know is what u see on the internet?GITMO isnt even really a black prison, at its peak there was never over 700 prisoners in gitmo, do u understand how low of a number that is????? I am not saying everything about it is right but is is nowhere as bad as schahill is making it out in here
So you are more worth than other people? The more you hurt people, the more in danger you are, because people get angry. Treat people like you'd like to be treated yourself, and you are fine. Stupid fucking people like yourself disgust me.
@Siafu66 , you are an idiot. In what universe could you possibly think anyone's life is being saved? The whole thing is a lie and not one person in 9 yrs has been found guilty. Not a single one.
I think JS overstated the issue of the feeding tubes. First of all if it fits down the nose it isn't "massive." Second anesthesia isn't used typically during the insertion of these feeding tubes or nasogastric tubes in hospitals. Occasionally a lidocaine spray will be used, but that is actually rare. Third, it isn't an "operation" as he called it. You could call it a procedure, it is a nursing task, not an operation. Of course you want medical personel there to perform it, not the ERF team.
Have you ever had a nasogastric tube inserted? Very uncomfortable and out of bounds with the Geneva Convention. Also having one in place for any length of time is extremely uncomfortable and in my case caused soft palate injury which took weeks to heal. Unnecessary medical procedures are usually performed in a sadistic manner. The whole notion of unnecessary medical procedures reeks of sadism. Sorry, but either one is humane or not. Operation and procedure are interchangeable terms.
No, I've never had one inserted, but I have inserted them many times. I'm good at it, when other nurses have trouble they come to me. My patients experience little discomfort during the procedure. It would be out bounds with the Geneva convention not to render treatment when prisoners are at risk from dying from starvation. "Operation" connotes surgical procedure, NG tube insertion is not a surgical procedure, it isn't even a sterile procedure like foley insertion. Sorry about your palate.
I revise my statement to say: My patients experience a minimum of discomfort during the procedure. It is uncomfortable. I don't want to be as guilty of understatement as JS was pf overstatement.
Let me insert my cock in your ass and we'll see how uncomfortable that will feel you lil bitch......i hope someone pisses on your dads head...and shoves tubes down your mother and smears shit on your wife and daughters face....bastard!
Maybe, as a med pro, you are conceiving of this gastro tube insertion in a clinical setting. That would be a mistake - we are talking about a setting in which TORTURE is the game.
Parsing the semantical differences between operation and procedure may be a mere deflection from the reality of this horror done in the name of freedom and human dignity.
Ultimately, preventing the suicide of an individual for the purpose of continuing to torture him cannot be the domain of medical personnel. Please!
The medical mission is not the same as the mission of the interrogators. They aren't even from the same unit. The medical personnel have higher motivations for preventing suicide--than just the accomplishment of an intelligence mission, whether or not torture is used. Would you say the same thing about the role of the American Red Cross in WWI and II. "Ultimately, preventing the [death] of an individual for the purpose of continuing [a war] cannot be the domain of medical personnel."
Straw Man Argument: preventing the death of person, a soldier, who does NOT want to die is good. The two situations do not compare. Apples, oranges. Just because some personnel involved in the torture are called "medical" does not give them rights to be viewed as above the level of torturer. You medical people are NOT better than the rest of us and not entitled to higher status just because you are medical. This is solipsism on your part.
I can't speak for all "medical people" but so far as nursing goes it is guided by the principle of beneficence. Strawman, I didn't say anything about a "higher status." Absolutely, rendering medical care is above the "level of torturer." I don't see how you equate medical treatment with torture. I think you are overstating like JS. Both of you would probably consider a medically necessary IV start as torture. "Medical people" stop others from killing themselves everyday...Good thing.
Assuming I am against saving lives in the battlefield is the strawman argument. You are wrong as far as medical care being absolutely better than no medical care. When a man wants to die because he can handle no more torture, intervening to "save" his life is outside the bounds of dignity and self-determination. There are much higher values than those of the medical community. Making yours absolute disregards others values. You are NOT God or even a god. You are understating for ego's sake
I think torture occured and may still be occuring, but I don't believe every word the former detainees say. I don't believe that every detainee on hunger strike has been tortured, that's a big assumption. I would never claim to be God, that's blasphemy. The detainees self-determination was taken away when they were captured. Now they are the responsibility of their captors. They can't be allowed to harm themselves. Many of these detainees are ordered to starve by their fellow prisoners.
Look into how and why they were captured. A ransom was put out by the Americans and responded to by rival tribal chiefs and others who gathered together farmers and boys who had nothing to do with anything political. Ridiculous:
they can't be allowed to harm themselves; only WE can harm them! Think about what you're saying - WE are God -
medical people who take part in torture are better than torturers. Maybe you would still be hopeful and positive after nearly a decade of imprisonment.
I don't believe we invaded Iraq to stop Saddam's atrocities. They had always been working fine for us before. No, we invaded Iraq so as to prevent Saddam from flooding the oil market with Iraqi oil and thereby cutting into Big Oil profits.
You are so right. Think about it. Operation Iraqi Freedom should have been called O.peration I.raqi L.iberation... Notice the initials. O.I.L. Interesting, eh?
"Solely to prevent flooding the oil markets to prevent cutting into oil profits"? Are you serious? You also probably think Bush was behind the spike in oil prices. It's funny how its gone from around $35 per barrel to recently $73 with OBAMA in office. If the President supposedly has that much power, why not keep them around $35 per barrel?
You totally missed my point, go figure. I realize the price was much higher with Bush. I'm trying to point out the fact that the President does not dictate the price of oil. Nothing more, nothing less.
Get real -- The US is promoting atrocities as part of its depopulation campaign in Africa, to simplify the resource exploitation of politically-connected transnational corporations, while cutting-off access to any and all 'foreign' resource development interests, esp. China. The US, thru militia, guerilla & mercenary proxies, is expanding its genocidal policies while obscuring its primary role under cover of 'humanitarian intervention (much as it cynically did in Yugoslavia.).'
Referring to the atrocities that happen at Abu Ghraib as the "norm" is just not accurate. It's a damn shame it happened, but it was done by a handful of soldiers that don't deserve the honor. The way you reference this makes it sound as though it's American policy; just not true. It would be similar to calling all teachers child molesters, because of a few high profile cases that involved teacher/student relations. Obviously that statement would be false.
Nice try? No, my argument is still valid. In a macro view, if you think what happened was American policy, you are delusional. My point is the entire military did not partake in these kinds of acts. Whether the orders came from higher up or not, the people responsible were a handful of hoodlums, no where near majority. Tired of people over simplifying things to help them argue their point.
I am not an advocate of the Bush policies, however listening to Jeremy Scahill, all I EVER hear described is what we're doing wrong. Instead, setup your argument of what is ill-fated, and followup with your own panacea. He appears credible, but perhaps a bit naive? There are times when war is the only option. You CANNOT reason with religious radicals. We could show them respect and they would still seek to kill us based solely on what we stand for: freedom. How did we achieve our freedoms? War.
If you support Obama you necessarily support Bush policies as they are precisely what Obama supports. And you, claysumj, are the naive one. If you believe that any war we Americans have been caught up in post Revolutionary War has been ethically justifiable you are ignorant of the political realities facing us. There is so much information available to an inquisitive mind & it is not to be found amidst the propaganda spewed by corporate media, NPR and PBS included, that you are repeating.
I agree that the media is extremely bias; I'm not basing my argument on what the media reports. My main point it that people like you (and Jeremy) shout what is being done wrong, but fail to give us their remedy. So tell me, renzeitlin, how do you get the entire world to hold hands and get along? I'm all ears! Since we clearly can't by ways of our atrocities, you must have a solution. How do we make nice with everyone, and protect our interest at the same time?
I have no intention to get the world to "hold hands". That is bordering on fascism. We Americans are responsible for what our government does, but we abandoned our responsibilities and allowed money interests and worse to control our foreign policy, causing much of the man-made misery in the world. Solution? To start, read the US Constitution and demand our government behave in accord with its precepts. Stop the liars and criminals, politicians and banksters from continuing this madness.
Jeremy Scahill and Amy Goodman represent the only true press the US has left. What's being done in our names is unacceptable, but ignored by most and on it goes. I shudder to think what depraved depths we'll sink to before we wise up and return to the Rule of Law.
Right after condemning Bush operating outside the law, Obama announced today that he will: Develop a legal strategy outside US Law & Military Law to indefinitely detain people who MIGHT commit a crime! What he calls preventive indefinite detention, (just like in the Tom Cruise Movie, Minority Report)!
So you can be locked up for 10 or more years without any trial, indictment, or hearing because of what someone thinks you MIGHT do sometime in the future!
Its here that the American dream decided it liked the taste of the vomit it was chocking on. Just rolled over on its back and screamed for more drugs. it didn't die. - Warren Ellis
DON'T JUDGE POLITICIANS ON WHAT THEY SAY BUT ON WHAT THEY DO !
CITIZENS 2.0 : PLAYERS NOT CHEERLEADERS
Meanwhile...
"We are watching a poorly staged rendition of Wag the Dog , interpreted for the morbidly stupid and performed by the criminally insane." - Jules Carlysle
This is huge! Is the mainstream media going to pick this one up? Would they be interviewing Jeremy Scahill any time soon? Probably not. I am now completely disillusioned with Obama.
If candidates were honest, they'd be telling you how little power the president really has when he gets in and is faced by people who intend to hold onto power for a lot longer than his 4 year term. Obama may care about this, or he may not, but even if he does, he faces a lot of resistance to changing this system. Does he have the spine to face it? And would the people have his back if he did have the will and the guts? I don't know.
Obama has plenty of power compliments of bush/cheney and has not returned one of our constitutional rights. Obama is nothing but a Closer in a shellgame.
All of the Houses are rigged against the people of this country. It's all theater and the results are the same EVERY TIME.
This gov't has become one organism feeding on the world like a grotesque tick we wish would explode.
Heads up: There is no government. They've all been bought by corporations. It's no coincidence that the views of politicians change to line up with the companies giving them money.
Not voting is what they're counting on. Keeping people poor, demoralized and fearful keeps them from exercising their political power. Vote, but not for the party of bad ideas or the party of no ideas. Vote independent. :)
You gotta give it to Jeremy Scahill, he doesn't care about politics. Just exposing the illegal shit our goverment does
thagreatzadenko 10 months ago
The barbarians are at the gates, and while rome burns Nero fiddles. Don't vote. Don't shop. Turn everything off. Support your neighbour. Love your enemy.
tsardooka 1 year ago
Jeremy Scahill ur stretching with this quick reaction force shit man. I love ur books and articles but u can take any prison in america & get the same story about guys all in black with masks that are used for cell extractions or other problems so ur stretching here. there are plent of real stories out there especially with this war were in dont sell out
arkangel8419 1 year ago
from saudi arabia god bless the good peaple like you
SETSETCIRCLE 1 year ago
FUCKING SCUM!
DoctorSess 1 year ago
is there any coincidence that gitmo detainees will be put in a prison that is right by a blackwater training facility in IL?
phred03 2 years ago
watch out America...who are the puppeteers?
XenaStrikes 2 years ago
@XenaStrikes, my old friend, I am so happy to have come across you again. Remember when we used to fight the American puppeteers together? I still have those saved messages from you speaking so passionately, about fighting injustice & corruption, & your fantasies of you & I cuddling , touching, exploring each others bodies. You still are the only man for me. And I think deep down (you know where..) I am the only man for you! Love you..
--Mikey
CoIoradoMikeyS 1 year ago
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If beating them senseless saves one American life I am all for it. I support the preservation of American life at any cost.
Siafu66 2 years ago
None of these prisoners have been charged with anything and protestors have been labelled as terrorists. Put two and two together and when the tanks come down our streets you might think different.
vinylsyrinx 2 years ago 10
@vinylsyrinx do u think GITMO is the first black prison america has had? do u think we are the only country that has them? what other black prisons are u against? or are u just against GITMO because all u know is what u see on the internet?GITMO isnt even really a black prison, at its peak there was never over 700 prisoners in gitmo, do u understand how low of a number that is????? I am not saying everything about it is right but is is nowhere as bad as schahill is making it out in here
arkangel8419 1 year ago
You can't be serious.
What they do has NOTHING to do with saving American lives...Those mindless shit for brains do it for pure enjoyment.
By the way, some of these filth go home and straight into law enforcement.
That means they will come for you next.
Enjoy.
TheFalseOswalds 2 years ago 12
So you are more worth than other people? The more you hurt people, the more in danger you are, because people get angry. Treat people like you'd like to be treated yourself, and you are fine. Stupid fucking people like yourself disgust me.
seraph101 2 years ago 2
Then may you "reap what you sow" !!!
HermeticPoet 2 years ago
@Siafu66 , you are an idiot. In what universe could you possibly think anyone's life is being saved? The whole thing is a lie and not one person in 9 yrs has been found guilty. Not a single one.
chromelung66 2 years ago
Jeremy Scahill's voice being heard is deeply reassuring.
deckchairs1 2 years ago
I think JS overstated the issue of the feeding tubes. First of all if it fits down the nose it isn't "massive." Second anesthesia isn't used typically during the insertion of these feeding tubes or nasogastric tubes in hospitals. Occasionally a lidocaine spray will be used, but that is actually rare. Third, it isn't an "operation" as he called it. You could call it a procedure, it is a nursing task, not an operation. Of course you want medical personel there to perform it, not the ERF team.
cwmillerrn 2 years ago
Have you ever had a nasogastric tube inserted? Very uncomfortable and out of bounds with the Geneva Convention. Also having one in place for any length of time is extremely uncomfortable and in my case caused soft palate injury which took weeks to heal. Unnecessary medical procedures are usually performed in a sadistic manner. The whole notion of unnecessary medical procedures reeks of sadism. Sorry, but either one is humane or not. Operation and procedure are interchangeable terms.
renzeitlin 2 years ago
No, I've never had one inserted, but I have inserted them many times. I'm good at it, when other nurses have trouble they come to me. My patients experience little discomfort during the procedure. It would be out bounds with the Geneva convention not to render treatment when prisoners are at risk from dying from starvation. "Operation" connotes surgical procedure, NG tube insertion is not a surgical procedure, it isn't even a sterile procedure like foley insertion. Sorry about your palate.
cwmillerrn 2 years ago
I revise my statement to say: My patients experience a minimum of discomfort during the procedure. It is uncomfortable. I don't want to be as guilty of understatement as JS was pf overstatement.
cwmillerrn 2 years ago
Let me insert my cock in your ass and we'll see how uncomfortable that will feel you lil bitch......i hope someone pisses on your dads head...and shoves tubes down your mother and smears shit on your wife and daughters face....bastard!
nyznicca 2 years ago
Maybe, as a med pro, you are conceiving of this gastro tube insertion in a clinical setting. That would be a mistake - we are talking about a setting in which TORTURE is the game.
Parsing the semantical differences between operation and procedure may be a mere deflection from the reality of this horror done in the name of freedom and human dignity.
Ultimately, preventing the suicide of an individual for the purpose of continuing to torture him cannot be the domain of medical personnel. Please!
renzeitlin 2 years ago
The medical mission is not the same as the mission of the interrogators. They aren't even from the same unit. The medical personnel have higher motivations for preventing suicide--than just the accomplishment of an intelligence mission, whether or not torture is used. Would you say the same thing about the role of the American Red Cross in WWI and II. "Ultimately, preventing the [death] of an individual for the purpose of continuing [a war] cannot be the domain of medical personnel."
cwmillerrn 2 years ago
Straw Man Argument: preventing the death of person, a soldier, who does NOT want to die is good. The two situations do not compare. Apples, oranges. Just because some personnel involved in the torture are called "medical" does not give them rights to be viewed as above the level of torturer. You medical people are NOT better than the rest of us and not entitled to higher status just because you are medical. This is solipsism on your part.
renzeitlin 2 years ago
I can't speak for all "medical people" but so far as nursing goes it is guided by the principle of beneficence. Strawman, I didn't say anything about a "higher status." Absolutely, rendering medical care is above the "level of torturer." I don't see how you equate medical treatment with torture. I think you are overstating like JS. Both of you would probably consider a medically necessary IV start as torture. "Medical people" stop others from killing themselves everyday...Good thing.
cwmillerrn 2 years ago
Assuming I am against saving lives in the battlefield is the strawman argument. You are wrong as far as medical care being absolutely better than no medical care. When a man wants to die because he can handle no more torture, intervening to "save" his life is outside the bounds of dignity and self-determination. There are much higher values than those of the medical community. Making yours absolute disregards others values. You are NOT God or even a god. You are understating for ego's sake
renzeitlin 2 years ago
I think torture occured and may still be occuring, but I don't believe every word the former detainees say. I don't believe that every detainee on hunger strike has been tortured, that's a big assumption. I would never claim to be God, that's blasphemy. The detainees self-determination was taken away when they were captured. Now they are the responsibility of their captors. They can't be allowed to harm themselves. Many of these detainees are ordered to starve by their fellow prisoners.
cwmillerrn 2 years ago
Look into how and why they were captured. A ransom was put out by the Americans and responded to by rival tribal chiefs and others who gathered together farmers and boys who had nothing to do with anything political. Ridiculous:
they can't be allowed to harm themselves; only WE can harm them! Think about what you're saying - WE are God -
medical people who take part in torture are better than torturers. Maybe you would still be hopeful and positive after nearly a decade of imprisonment.
renzeitlin 2 years ago
Thank you for a rare example of integrated thought and reason.
you deserve a medal, I swear.
deckchairs1 2 years ago
we dont have to have ALL THE ANSWERS nor do we have to MAKE NICE WITH ALL COUNTRIES in order to discontinue behavior that is beneath us.
we killed saddam so we could stop his atrocities, torture and killing.
then we take over the prison and commit atrocities, torture and killing. we have killed more iraqi's through sanctions and war then he could have.
pissing and crapping on prisoners? really? thats the only answer if we dont have all the answers?
barbcinque 2 years ago
I don't believe we invaded Iraq to stop Saddam's atrocities. They had always been working fine for us before. No, we invaded Iraq so as to prevent Saddam from flooding the oil market with Iraqi oil and thereby cutting into Big Oil profits.
renzeitlin 2 years ago
You are so right. Think about it. Operation Iraqi Freedom should have been called O.peration I.raqi L.iberation... Notice the initials. O.I.L. Interesting, eh?
609Blondebomb 2 years ago
"Solely to prevent flooding the oil markets to prevent cutting into oil profits"? Are you serious? You also probably think Bush was behind the spike in oil prices. It's funny how its gone from around $35 per barrel to recently $73 with OBAMA in office. If the President supposedly has that much power, why not keep them around $35 per barrel?
claysumj 2 years ago
dude, when bush was president the oil prices were around $120 a barrel, now obama sucks, but get your facts straight
VitalemRecords 2 years ago
You totally missed my point, go figure. I realize the price was much higher with Bush. I'm trying to point out the fact that the President does not dictate the price of oil. Nothing more, nothing less.
claysumj 2 years ago
how come we dont stop astrocities in AFRICA? shut the fuck up.
nyznicca 2 years ago
Get real -- The US is promoting atrocities as part of its depopulation campaign in Africa, to simplify the resource exploitation of politically-connected transnational corporations, while cutting-off access to any and all 'foreign' resource development interests, esp. China. The US, thru militia, guerilla & mercenary proxies, is expanding its genocidal policies while obscuring its primary role under cover of 'humanitarian intervention (much as it cynically did in Yugoslavia.).'
starmanskye 2 years ago
Referring to the atrocities that happen at Abu Ghraib as the "norm" is just not accurate. It's a damn shame it happened, but it was done by a handful of soldiers that don't deserve the honor. The way you reference this makes it sound as though it's American policy; just not true. It would be similar to calling all teachers child molesters, because of a few high profile cases that involved teacher/student relations. Obviously that statement would be false.
claysumj 2 years ago
Well, they're still employed, still breaking bones, overkill that results in murder,etc etc etc.
Besides, teacher/child molesters don't get the nod from the principal as is the case here where these guys got ORDERS.
Nice try however.
deckchairs1 2 years ago
Nice try? No, my argument is still valid. In a macro view, if you think what happened was American policy, you are delusional. My point is the entire military did not partake in these kinds of acts. Whether the orders came from higher up or not, the people responsible were a handful of hoodlums, no where near majority. Tired of people over simplifying things to help them argue their point.
claysumj 2 years ago
Nowhere has it been said it is the "entire military".
To call it a "handful of hoodlums" is another extreme term that makes perspective or clear examination possible.
The fact it CONTINUES under Obamas watch, like many sins of ommission we're seeing, they are just as criminal just as sociopathic, just as lethal.
One of the few gigs the mentally deranged can find compensated work doing what they do best.
...until they're turned loose on society.
deckchairs1 2 years ago
"....another extreme term that makes perspective or clear examination possible"
Meant to say IMpossible.
deckchairs1 2 years ago
Likewise, the media is STILL sanitized to hide the returning dead soldiers and realities of war such as,
the extraordinary number of troop suicides.
Still multi-toured to exhaustion.
Where is the language of reform & decent treatment there. Nowhere. Ommitted.
deckchairs1 2 years ago
I am not an advocate of the Bush policies, however listening to Jeremy Scahill, all I EVER hear described is what we're doing wrong. Instead, setup your argument of what is ill-fated, and followup with your own panacea. He appears credible, but perhaps a bit naive? There are times when war is the only option. You CANNOT reason with religious radicals. We could show them respect and they would still seek to kill us based solely on what we stand for: freedom. How did we achieve our freedoms? War.
claysumj 2 years ago
If you support Obama you necessarily support Bush policies as they are precisely what Obama supports. And you, claysumj, are the naive one. If you believe that any war we Americans have been caught up in post Revolutionary War has been ethically justifiable you are ignorant of the political realities facing us. There is so much information available to an inquisitive mind & it is not to be found amidst the propaganda spewed by corporate media, NPR and PBS included, that you are repeating.
renzeitlin 2 years ago
I agree that the media is extremely bias; I'm not basing my argument on what the media reports. My main point it that people like you (and Jeremy) shout what is being done wrong, but fail to give us their remedy. So tell me, renzeitlin, how do you get the entire world to hold hands and get along? I'm all ears! Since we clearly can't by ways of our atrocities, you must have a solution. How do we make nice with everyone, and protect our interest at the same time?
claysumj 2 years ago
I have no intention to get the world to "hold hands". That is bordering on fascism. We Americans are responsible for what our government does, but we abandoned our responsibilities and allowed money interests and worse to control our foreign policy, causing much of the man-made misery in the world. Solution? To start, read the US Constitution and demand our government behave in accord with its precepts. Stop the liars and criminals, politicians and banksters from continuing this madness.
renzeitlin 2 years ago 2
Jeremy Scahill and Amy Goodman represent the only true press the US has left. What's being done in our names is unacceptable, but ignored by most and on it goes. I shudder to think what depraved depths we'll sink to before we wise up and return to the Rule of Law.
Thanks for posting this.
ismeme 2 years ago
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Preventative Indefinite Detention
Right after condemning Bush operating outside the law, Obama announced today that he will: Develop a legal strategy outside US Law & Military Law to indefinitely detain people who MIGHT commit a crime! What he calls preventive indefinite detention, (just like in the Tom Cruise Movie, Minority Report)!
So you can be locked up for 10 or more years without any trial, indictment, or hearing because of what someone thinks you MIGHT do sometime in the future!
sugarpuddin88 2 years ago
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mac774 2 years ago
It's sad this only has 784 views.
We all have to go deeper than press releases & see what actions.. is any.. are taking place.
pjt03 2 years ago
Did you see yesterday even Obamas friends in the senate said he can't close Guantanamo. Just goes to show.
trollfinger 2 years ago
At 817 now start sharing and get the views higher.
abarzilai664 2 years ago
Its here that the American dream decided it liked the taste of the vomit it was chocking on. Just rolled over on its back and screamed for more drugs. it didn't die. - Warren Ellis
DON'T JUDGE POLITICIANS ON WHAT THEY SAY BUT ON WHAT THEY DO !
CITIZENS 2.0 : PLAYERS NOT CHEERLEADERS
Meanwhile...
"We are watching a poorly staged rendition of Wag the Dog , interpreted for the morbidly stupid and performed by the criminally insane." - Jules Carlysle
JFWilliam 2 years ago 2
Thanks for making this available. More people need to be aware of this.
treesfieldssky 2 years ago 2
Thanks for uploading mediagrrl9.
CitizenCindy 2 years ago 2
This is huge! Is the mainstream media going to pick this one up? Would they be interviewing Jeremy Scahill any time soon? Probably not. I am now completely disillusioned with Obama.
zenzmonkey 2 years ago 4
If candidates were honest, they'd be telling you how little power the president really has when he gets in and is faced by people who intend to hold onto power for a lot longer than his 4 year term. Obama may care about this, or he may not, but even if he does, he faces a lot of resistance to changing this system. Does he have the spine to face it? And would the people have his back if he did have the will and the guts? I don't know.
jimbobeire 2 years ago
Obama has plenty of power compliments of bush/cheney and has not returned one of our constitutional rights. Obama is nothing but a Closer in a shellgame.
All of the Houses are rigged against the people of this country. It's all theater and the results are the same EVERY TIME.
This gov't has become one organism feeding on the world like a grotesque tick we wish would explode.
deckchairs1 2 years ago
Heads up: There is no government. They've all been bought by corporations. It's no coincidence that the views of politicians change to line up with the companies giving them money.
ninjanerd8 2 years ago
Instead of a gov't then we could call it a morphed freak corporation a la 1984.
You're singing to the choir.
I have no plans on voting until the rev is over...even then it's a question altogether.
States are being actively bankrupted for a reason & think state pullback from the Feds is a natural 'next thing'.
Stick to our families, neighborhoods and communities & stock provisions. It's getting ugly and about to get uglier.
deckchairs1 2 years ago
Not voting is what they're counting on. Keeping people poor, demoralized and fearful keeps them from exercising their political power. Vote, but not for the party of bad ideas or the party of no ideas. Vote independent. :)
ninjanerd8 2 years ago
They didn't even report on Mohamad al-Quarni who told al-Jazzera that the guards tossed tear gas into his cell. So I doubt they'll report this.
abarzilai664 2 years ago
nice job,keep up the good work..@truthbetold101(twitter)
coolc74 2 years ago 4